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Diamondbacks 2, Braves 6 - A Petit Squeeze

Diamondbacks 2, Braves 6 - A Petit Squeeze

Record: 71-54. Change on last season: +9. Pace: 92-70
Playoff odds: 71.5%. Playoff Magic Number: 34

Quote of the day: "I don't want him to give him a cookie right there. And if we walk him, we start over with the count and there's still two outs. I just wanted him to throw it off the plate for a ball." -- Miguel Montero

After the heroics of our starting pitchers the past couple of days, today was something of a damp squib in comparison, Yusmeiro Petit failing, say, to save orphans from a burning building on his way to Turner Field this morning. I dunno: some people just don't know what's expected of them. :-) The loss in the game was not particularly unexpected; this was always the contest where the pitching match-up skewed distinctly in Atlanta's favor, and so it turned out, with John Smoltz mowing down the D-backs, to the tune of 12 K's in eight innings. That's the most he's struck out in a game since April 2005.

He was, it must be said, helped by some dubious umpiring. The strike zone he got from home plate umpire Wally Bell was considerably more generous than the one Petit was getting, and matters were definitely not helped by an insane balk call on Petit from third-base umpire John Hirschbeck. Sure, Petit dropped the ball, but it happened when Bell didn't even have his face-mask down, which kinda indicates to me that time had been called. And you can't commit a balk during a time-out. It certainly rattled Petit who, even though there was now a base open, served up a hanging fattie to Big Tex, and it was gratefully deposited in the right-field bleachers on a line, for his second long-ball of the day off Petit.

Petit escaped the third inning without further issues, but another homer left the park in the fourth, and Melvin was forced to turn to the bullpen again. They produced 4.1 innings of two-hit, shutout ball: a little surprised to see Edgar Gonzalez pulled after one inning and twelve pitches, with Arizona still down by four. Melvin was apparently willing to use another member of the pen instead: while most members have had a good bit of rest over the past couple of days, Peña is probably the man in most danger of over-use recently, so it might have been nice to avoid using him again.

Offensively, not much to speak of. The highlight undoubtedly came in the third inning where, with runners on the corners and two out, Hudson (on first) and Young (on third) executed a perfect double-steal. Braves catcher McCann didn't even look at third as he fired the ball back towards second, and the instant he did so, Young came charging down the line to steal home. That tied the game at two, and for a brief while, we looked like we might still be in this one. Indeed, we had taken the lead 1-0, before Teixeira's first homer, on an RBI double by Hudson which drove in Young.

Otherwise, little to speak of; Upton joined the KKK when facing Smoltz, and Reynolds looked equally poor against the veteran. Still, give them...fifty or sixty more at-bats, and it might be a more equal battle. We had our chances - leadoff double in the second, and got the tying run to the plate in the ninth - and had a startling seventeen at bats with runners in scoring position. However, we managed only two hits and, unlike Friday, the long-ball was all on Atlanta's side, so couldn't come to our rescue.

The question does have to be asked, whether the Petit Unit is going to be a credible option in the fifth spot of the rotation. Today was definitely not promising, though as it was his first outing up, some slack perhaps needs to be given. The problem is, it's just hard to think who else is a decent alternative. Nippert? Edgar Gonzalez? Someone up from Tucson? Really, all you can expect from a fifth starter is an ERA around 5.50, who might keep you in a game on a good day. We've got a bunch of those rattling around, both with the Sidewinders and at the back end of the bullpen, so probably not worth losing sleep over which one actually gets the starts.

The series was already in the bag, and the Padres won, so the lead comes back down to four games. Still, can't knock a road trip where you win both series, and we come back to Phoenix with a larger lead in the division than when we left. That, and a week crossed off the calendar, is entirely satisfactory; we're now getting to the point in the season where time becomes the best friend of the division leader, with every day where ground is not lost, almost as good as another victory. It is worth noting that we have seven games left against the Padres, but with a four-game lead, they would need to take six of those seven to wipe that out.

The GameDay Thread cruised past a hundred again; it's getting to the stage where I am almost expecting that, at least for as long as we are leading the division! Of course, maybe posting it eight hours before first pitch helped. ;-) DbacksSkins, hotclaws, Englishdback, LucaMaz3, andrewinnewyork, singaporedbacksfan, RJZ1977 [welcome!], seton hall snake pit, Ben, johngordonma, DBACKS KICK ARSE, Peachy, AZDarkKnight and the hob-nobbing with the President soco, were all enjoying the Sunday morning game. Shame we couldn't get a win: can't win 'em all. Winning two out of three, is more than acceptable.

Gameday Graph

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Master of his domain: Orlando Hudson, +17.8%
God-emperor of suck: Yusmeiro Petit, -39.8%
Honorary "Well done!": no award, since the next highest was +3.4%

Looks like Owings is indeed working on a new pitch. Well, according to pitching coach Bryan Price, he developed it last night in the middle of the game: "He did, I'm not lying. I'm sure he's thrown it before in his lifetime, but it's not a pitch we've been working on in the bullpen. He said he just pushed it back further in his hand and it took an extra six to eight mph off his changeup. He had command and he had arm speed and the delivery was the same. It's a useable pitch, if he can show that he can continue to command it." That could prove the key to Owings remaining a starter, since his armory has often proved deficient going through the order for the third time.

Congratulation to AZDarkKnight who won the drawing - well, to be honest, it was more of a coin toss - and will be joining me at the Cubs game on Saturday. I'll have to see if I can get an AZ SnakePit sign made up in time for that! soco has posted another diary on the "official" SnakePit get-together, so post thoughts and comments there. It should be fun.

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Wally Bell?
More like Wally Balls.  For those of you that watch "Entourage."
2007 Arizona Diamondbacks, kicking ass and taking names, and they just ran out of names.

by soco on Aug 19, 2007 11:48 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Owings
I swear he was throwing cutters in that outing too.  Either that or his slider grip has changed and they aren't dropping as much.

A for-real change-up really is what this kid needs to be successful.  Here's to this being the turning point, cause we really, really need him.

Bob Melvin Sucks

by nihil67 on Aug 20, 2007 9:44 AM EDT reply actions   0 recs

5th Starter
I think it's time to put Edgar back into the rotation.  I was never really sure why he was taken out, aside from that 4 inning game he struggled through.  His ERA as a starter was only 4.47 and his WHIP was 1.26.

Edgar is not a reliever and I think he's proven that he's not a guy that can succeed in that transition like Nippert has.

Let's put Petit back in Tucson to work on keeping the ball down, use Edgar as the 5th starter for the last 6 or so times we need the 5th starter and bring up Mike Schultz for the back of the bullpen.

Bob Melvin Sucks

by nihil67 on Aug 20, 2007 10:02 AM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Umpiring
I'm not on the bad umpiring bandwagon favoring Smoltz. There were a couple of inside-to-a-lefty calls Smoltz didn't get, Montero clearly made no effort to get out of the way of the HBP (even if he didn't quite lean into it as Smoltz claimed), and Petit didn't look like he thought there was time before dropping the ball on the balk. He was standing on the rubber, after all.

Smoltz was just really dominant. We win enough games that we don't need to lose sight of our sportsmanship when one doesn't go our way. We brought the tying run to the ninth in this one, which is probably better than we would have expected.

by andrewinnewyork on Aug 20, 2007 11:09 AM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Can't say from sight
I didn't get to watch most of the game, but I can say that Schulte sounded like he thought the umpiring was suspect.  That's usually a guy that stays pretty neutral.
Bob Melvin Sucks

by nihil67 on Aug 20, 2007 11:21 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Yeah.
Also, when Mark Grace concedes that a pitch is a strike, and when Darron Sutton concedes that a pitch is a ball, it usually means they're right.
Come on, Sandy Baby, loosen up. You're too tight.

by DbacksSkins on Aug 20, 2007 11:24 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Gotta give Smoltz credit on this one....
But...
  1. Petit dropping the ball might have been a little dumb, but given the situation, it wasn't a balk.
  2. Smoltz wanted EVERY ball he threw to be a strike. Of COURSE he didn't get every call. What matters is that he got the lion's share, and Petit didn't get the same treatment. I don't think this necessarily would have affected the outcome of the game, but it does get into a pitcher's head a bit. Same thing with the balk call.
  3. Miggy didn't lean in, but he didn't get out of the way, either. (Which is his prerogative.) Why do you think Barry Bonds wears 20lbs of body armor? So he can smother the plate.
  4. Of course, it's only our fault that we weren't able to scratch out any runs in the 9th.
Smoltz pitched a really good game, beating us fair and square, and Petit tossed a few bad pitches. It doesn't mean things are so black and white, or that we can't complain, as fans, when we see something in the game that seems unfair.
Come on, Sandy Baby, loosen up. You're too tight.

by DbacksSkins on Aug 20, 2007 11:23 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Unfortunately,
You've gotta remember the old umpire's quote:

"The strike zone is what I say it is."

(One of the big differences between baseball and the other major US sports.)

Come on, Sandy Baby, loosen up. You're too tight.

by DbacksSkins on Aug 20, 2007 2:12 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Robots!
I understand the sentiment that different umpires have different strike zones and they are supposedly consistent.  However it begs the question:

How long before we get rid of humans calling strikes and balls?  

Until then baseball can't proclaim to be that much different from most other sports:

NBA ref: "A foul is what I say it is".
NFL ref: "Pass interference/holding/unnecessary roughness, and so on... is what I say it is".
NHL ref: "Roughing/boarding/tripping/, and so on... is what I say it is".

Of course there are some absolute examples of any of the above. But more often than not it is a judgement call.  And those sports will be saddled with such subjectivity likely forever.  

Baseball? Perhaps not.  

Can't wait to see the BalkSpotter 3000 (tm). ;-)

by cavscout on Aug 20, 2007 3:19 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Never happen
The human element of umpiring is one of the things that makes all sport, especially baseball, what they are.

Yes, it sucks when your player doesn't get the calls, but isn't also fun to complain about it and send threatening letters to the ump... stalking him outside of the stadium... calling his house.  That's right Angel, I know where you live, you son of a bitch...

<cough>

Uhm.

yeah.

Bob Melvin Sucks

by nihil67 on Aug 20, 2007 3:28 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

It's already begun.
When MLB started using Questec, they moved towards standardizing umpiring using electronic means. Of course, it was only in certain parks, and umpiring remains highly subjective.

The difference, my dear cavs, is that the NBA and NFL have introduced instant replay, to varying degrees. While NBA penalties and NFL penalties are most certainly judgment calls, the strike zone is the single most subjective judgment call in baseball, even after the advent of Questec. (I don't know anything about the NHL, do they have replay too??)

Come on, Sandy Baby, loosen up. You're too tight.

by DbacksSkins on Aug 20, 2007 3:33 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Let the players decide...
The outcome of the game. Who goes to a park to see Wally Bell umpire? The closer we can get to standardization, the better, I personally think: the strike zone should not be subjective, and it certainly shouldn't vary depending on the hitter or pitcher [c.f. the tiny strike-zone Bonds has to handle]. I may be biased because of our young team, meaning they tend to get hammered here.

On the HBP side, I'd like to see a new rule which says, if you're hit on your armor, it's a strike and not a trip to first-base. Would certainly make 'Roidman's plate appearances much more fun. :-)

by Jim McLennan on Aug 20, 2007 4:40 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Questec
The current use of Questec is what leads me to believe that baseball could be the first to go "ROBOT" in a most substantial, potentially game altering way.  

My point is that arguably this most subjective part of all sports officiating has already been shown to be able to be measured more objectively.  The subjectivity of strikes and balls doesn't lie in having to determine timing of, extent of, or intent of an action that may or may not be a violation depending on interpretation of those details - but in the difficulty inherent in having a human accurately identify points in space that mark a three dimensional zone and then asking them to judge whether a spherical object thrown at great speed passes a point in space within the determined parameters acceptable to be called a strike, independent of who threw it in what game situation. Consistently.

But technology is getting pretty good at doing so.  That's a huge deal.

P.S. NHL has replay for goal decisions only. And remember, replays in any sport only allow humans another chance to make a judgement - they don't make it for them.

by cavscout on Aug 20, 2007 4:54 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Just a thought
Don't they track faults in tennis largely by electronic means? I mean, the umpires and linesmen still make the call, but IIRC, they get a BEEP in their ear, basically telling them what to say.

by Jim McLennan on Aug 20, 2007 7:21 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Actually
It is not Miggy's perogative to not get out of the way and still expect an HBP, as per rule 6.08:

6.08 The batter becomes a runner and is entitled to first base without liability to be put out (provided he advances to and touches first base) when--

(b) He is touched by a pitched ball which he is not attempting to hit unless
(1) The ball is in the strike zone when it touches the batter, or
(2) The batter makes no attempt to avoid being touched by the ball; if the ball is in the strike zone when it touches the batter, it shall be called a strike, whether or not the batter tries to avoid the ball. If the ball is outside the strike zone when it touches the batter, it shall be called a ball if he makes no attempt to avoid being touched.

This rule is almost never enforced, but it is a rule (I personally would like to see it enforced, particularly against all the body armor guys). I haven't heard Schulte much since he used to call "good wood, good distance, good bye" for ASU games (aluminum bats and all) since I'm out-of-market, but I was watching the game and I didn't see anything I would call a bad call against Smoltz. As I remember, most of the strikeouts were swinging.

by andrewinnewyork on Aug 20, 2007 3:58 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Ah, I was unaware. Thank you.
I'm 100% in agreeance with getting rid of all the body armor, btw.
Come on, Sandy Baby, loosen up. You're too tight.

by DbacksSkins on Aug 20, 2007 4:09 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

No doubt
Smoltz beat us fair and square, but for anyone that watched it could see that the strike zone was a bit suspect, and seemingly more for Smoltz.  That had to do more with Smoltz being able to hit that part right off the plate that was apart of the extended strike zone, and Petit not being able to control it.  Also, even though the zone was expanded, the hitters need to realize this and adjust, which they didn't.

So although I thought the strike zone was crap I still acknowledge that it was both the umpire's right and the responsibility of the hitters to adjust.

2007 Arizona Diamondbacks, kicking ass and taking names, and they just ran out of names.

by soco on Aug 20, 2007 6:59 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

that's
"to the plate in the ninth" of course

by andrewinnewyork on Aug 20, 2007 11:09 AM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Jim, check your email please
I can't make it to the game, but I know Soco wanted to go so hopefully you two can get it sorted and have a pint for me.
Cheers,
H

by AZDarkKnight on Aug 21, 2007 12:16 AM EDT reply actions   0 recs

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