Navigation: Jump to content areas:


Pro Quality. Fan Perspective.
Login-facebook
Around SBN: 2012 Africa Cup Of Nations Final

Those four little words...

"It's great to be back home again... Sometimes, I guess, you just don't realize what you have when you have it."
    -- Randy Johnson

Seems everyone else in the SB Nation has said it, either as the header, or in the first two lines of their story today, so who am I to go against the flow. Yep, today finally is the day: pitchers and catchers report. We're still some way off from meaningful baseball - or even meaningless baseball - but this is like seeing the first cracks in the Berlin Wall. You know it's only a matter of time before everything comes tumbling down, and a glorious new dawn begins. It's definitely a good day to be alive. Especially when you consider the alternative.

Long interview with Johnson in USA Today in which he covers a lot of territory, from the death of his brother through to his issues with the media in New York, and his return from back surgery:

Johnson...spent at least three hours a day, five days a week in the gym this offseason. The back feels great, he says, and his upper body is stronger than ever. "If I listened to what everybody said about me, I never would have gotten this far in the game," Johnson says. "The greatest fear you have is failing, but after everything I've been through this winter, I have a different perspective about things. You're going to see me dig as deep as I can to be successful. I'm hungry again.

That kind of talk must scare the bejeezus out of the rest of the NL West. Here are Johnson's career figure against our division rivals:

  • Colorado: 14-7, 2.35 ERA
  • Los Angeles: 7-5, 2.71 ERA
  • San Diego: 14-3, 2.07 ERA
  • San Francisco: 7-8, 3.60 ERA

All told, that's a 42-23 record with a 2.61 ERA in 83 starts. Think they're looking forward to facing a "stronger than ever" Johnson? Now, of course, for the moment it's all talk, and there are any number of potential pitfalls, for a 43-year old facing batters ten, fifteen or even twenty years younger. But, boy...if you're going to hitch your cart to any old hoss, is there another one you'd rather have?

Nick P weighs in at the Republic, with his thoughts on how the 2007 Opening Day Roster will look. He reckons that, outside the #5 starter, there's not much left to be decided, a combination of obvious choices and those who are out of options (hello, Hairston and EdGon) meaning most lockers can already have their names painted on them. Interesting quote from Josh Byrnes: "Over the length of the season I think our starting pitching will dictate a lot how the rest of the roster will be constructed. It will probably force us to examine how we construct our bullpen and our bench."

The implication being, if our rotation lives up to its reputation as a bunch of innings-eaters, we'll go with six relievers and an extra position player instead (most likely Hammock, for his ability to play anywhere). However, instinct and Piecoro reckon that won't be the initial case. We'll see how things pan out, wait until Johnson has proved his fitness - and we also have a hellacious early schedule, with just two days off in the first five and a half weeks.

Of course, we may have an extra spot or two open, at least initially, with probably Johnson and possibly DaVanon not ready for action by Opening Day. And changes may be made: the article pointedly leaves Jorge Julio out of the bullpen, though only says he "could be" traded. Hmm...well, so "could" Scott Hairston, but nothing was said there, which makes me inclined to read between the lines. If Julio is indeed left down by the schoolyard, then Piecoro's suggestion that a fifth-starter candidate gets the spot makes sense, as the rest of the 'pen (Valverde, Lyon, Medders, Peña, Cruz and Slaten) are not noted for stamina. I guess Cruz could be used for long relief in a pinch, given his starting experience, but I'd rather not waste his arm like that.

Another line of significance: "Even if some positions are up for grabs, the spring may not be the deciding factor on who gets the job. Byrnes seems to put more stock in a player's full body of work - previous major league experience, minor league track record, etc. - than on spring performance." Good thing too: remember how well the "Casey Daigle as starter" concept panned out, after he had a great spring? Exactly. That philosophy would perhaps seem to lean towards EdGon as having the lead as the fifth man, given his good performance there at the major-league level last year, posting an ERA of 3.00, albeit in only five starts. On the other hand, his 'full body of work' would also have to include going 0-9 with a 9.32 ERA in 2004...

Over at The Hardball Times, John Walsh took a look at the best and worst outfield arms from last year. He does it statistically, evaluating, for example, what happens when a single is hit with a runner on first and second base is empty. And, ladies and gentlemen, we have a winner: well, actually, a loser. "The worst performance in right field--in any field, actually--was turned in by [pause for SnakePit fanfare] Shawn Green."

Yes, in 140 opportunities, the runner was held by Green only 53 times and he threw them out just once. Green also ranked dead last among right-fielders in 2005, so this wasn't any kind of aberration. Chalk up one more reason to cheer for the full-time arrival of Carlos Quentin: it'll be fascinating to see how he ranks next season, but I'm prepared to bet he won't be the sucking pit of awfulness Green has clearly been in right field, estimated by Walsh at costing us around 13 runs per season. We'd have been better off putting Russ Ortiz there, and hoping his gravitational pull drew a few balls to him.

In center field, Eric Byrnes was our only player to rank well, coming in 5th of 26 - and I don't think Walsh was handing out bonus points for artistic impression. :-) The gap between the best and worst at that position was only about half that for right field, no doubt because fewer runners will go from first to third on a ball hit to center, regardless of who's playing there. As a result, Byrnes' arm was only worth about 1.5 runs, though obviously there are other aspects of his game which should be measured (does WARP include entertainment value?). Again, be interesting to see how Chris Young compares there this season.

And last but not (quite) least, in left, Luis Gonzalez was rated as below-average, to nobody's surprise (except maybe his!), but perhaps wasn't as far below as we might think: 14th of 21. His hold rate actually came in fractionally better than the mean, it was his kill rate - barely one-third of what was expected - that sunk Gonzo. Amusingly, the Dodgers' Andre Ethier was #1: switching to Gonzo should cost LA about 12-13 runs next year, purely on defense. Good "upgrade" there...from the Diamondbacks' point of view, anyway.

If you want more of my deathless prose to read today - hey, maybe you're bored! - please head over to AZSportsHub.com, where I've agreed to write a weekly column on the Diamondbacks, and have just posted my first edition. It was intended to be an overall look at the offseason moves, but I kinda got carried away and ended up just discussing the whys and wherefores of the rotation. It's definitely an add-on, not a sign of imminent defection, but who am I to spurn any offer of a chance to rant about my beloved Diamondbacks?

Comment 21 comments  |  0 recs  | 

Do you like this story?

Comments

Display:

Truth.
"He's coming home. Coming back to the National League. He's not pitching 19 times against the Red Sox and Blue Jays. And he sees that this team has a chance to win. Really, this entire state is excited to have him back."

Amen to that.

In my nightmares, I see Brian Bruney...make it stop...

by Azreous on Feb 16, 2007 1:10 PM EST reply actions  

funny how different...
His initial press comments are to the impression made when he got to NY...If he is hungry and snarling on that mound, I wouldnt want to be anyone in the NL walking up to face him.. I have my fingers crossed....

by AZDarkKnight on Feb 17, 2007 3:51 AM EST reply actions  

Good news
for the D-Backs.  Keith Foulke of the Indians just retired making the Indians need for relief help even more acute.  Can you say Julio??

by johngordonma on Feb 17, 2007 12:29 PM EST reply actions  

No.
Randy was at his PRIME when he dominated the NL West. He is far worse now and drops further every year. Expecting a sub-3.00 ERA whether it be against a division or against any other MLB team is nothing but foolish. A 5.00 ERA simply does not drop to a 2.60 ERA.

by biggerunit1 on Feb 17, 2007 1:13 PM EST reply actions  

agree/disagree
I agree that the Unit probably will not have a sub 3.00 ERA against the division but this is also not going to be the Unit that pitched for the Yankees with a bad back.  I also think you will be seeing a happier Unit back in AZ and out of NY.

by DiamondbacksWIn on Feb 17, 2007 1:22 PM EST up reply actions  

What DiamondbacksWin said...
Welcome, biggerunit. Basically... I don't expect a Cy Young season from him, but everything from the league through the parks to the opposing offenses is working in RJ's favor. And that's in addition to his hopefully-better back, a much less stressful environment, and being with his family. Given everything last year, a 5.00 ERA was actually quite impressive! :-)

by Jim McLennan on Feb 17, 2007 1:37 PM EST up reply actions  

Comparable environments
everything from the league through the parks to the opposing offenses is working in RJ's favor

I'm not at all sure that this is true, Jim. For example, the Dbacks' four divisonal rivals scored more runs(3110) in 2006 than the Yankees' 4 AL East rivals(3086), despite the AL park advantages and the DH! Moreover, Randy's migrated from one of the best LHP home parks back to our launching pad. I do concede that the overall superiority of the AL mitigates these results somewhat - but I cant gauge by how much.  

Randy could improve in 2007 for health or intangible reasons, but he's not migrating to a more favorable pitching (ie ERA) environment at Chase Field and it doesnt appear that he's migrating to an easier division either, at least not based on this 2006 data. Finally, to the extent that "Wins" environment is largely a function of his Run Support, the Arizona context obviously projects far less favorably than the 7.51 RPG he got in the Bronx.

by Diamondhacks on Feb 18, 2007 2:31 AM EST up reply actions  

On the other hand...
If you look at RJ's ERA last year, he posted a 7.40 ERA in 13 starts against the rest of the AL East. In 20 games outside the division, his ERA was all the way down at 3.68, less than half his intra-division figure. I imagine he'll be more than happy not to have to face Toronto (14.04) or, hell, even Tampa (9.00) on a regular basis.

With regard to the park, yes, Chase is a factor, but I don't expect it to be anywhere near as bad as it was last year. And you should also note that Johnson's career ERA in Phoenix is 2.67, more than half a run lower than his career average overall, 3.22. Obviously, run support explains how he won 17 games with an ERA of five, but slicing a run off his ERA, as I fully expect, will take care of that nicely.

by Jim McLennan on Feb 18, 2007 10:44 AM EST up reply actions  

Interesting divisional breakdown...
on Randy's ERA. I discovered something similar with Livan, but here's a potentially important  difference. The teams Livan struggled against(ATL,NYM,PHI,FLA) were genuinely 4 of the top 6 NL offenses overall(park adjusted). By contrast, the 2006 BoSox and BlueJays were only middle of the pack at best, Baltimore below league ave, and Tampa was the league's worst offense by a large margin - much worse than Kansas City.

Yes, Unit struggled in the East, but to attribute those struggles to the incredible hitting is as unsatisfying as saying Randy's success v the powerful AL Central was because that division couldnt hit.I guess what prompted me to post was the talk about not doing Herculean battle vs Toronto and Boston 19 times,etc.  It just flies in the face of the most obvious facts, and I'm more comfortable looking at his season holistically, so that those "unexplained" divisional disparities effectively cancel each other out, and we're left with a 5.00 ERA pitcher - 5.00 at home, 5.01 on the road. I mean, I could cite Randy's 6.12 ERA v the NL last year, but it's not as meaningful as a 5 ERA over 200 IPs.  

With regard to the park, yes, Chase is a factor, but I don't expect it to be anywhere near as bad as it was last year.

I dont expect it to equal last year either, but not anywhere near last year? Do you know something I dont, about removing the first five rows of bleachers, perhaps ;-)

Johnson's career ERA in Phoenix is 2.67, more than half a run lower than his career average overall, 3.22.

Apples and oranges. His ERA was below 2.67 on the road for most of his tenure with the Dbacks.  

run support explains how he won 17 games with an ERA of five, but slicing a run off his ERA, as I fully expect, will take care of that nicely.

Will it? The Yankees scored 7.51 RPG for him. Chopping a couple runs off that(5.51) would seem to more than counterbalance an ERA improvement of 1 run. And 5.51, especially with Unit hitting, seems pretty optimistic. It might make more sense to chop off three runs.  

The big unknowns, to me, are his back surgery and the disparity in overall league strength. Hard to project either, and it'll be fun seeing it all play out.

by Diamondhacks on Feb 18, 2007 3:20 PM EST up reply actions  

The Road Warrior...
[ His ERA was below 2.67 on the road for most of his tenure with the Dbacks. ]

His road/home difference in the ERA during his time with AZ was as follows: +0.90, -0.28, +0.11, -0.51, +0.26 (half season), -0.30. Outside the first season, looks like Chase Field didn't pose any particular issues for RJ.

But do agree, his back, and how it's recovered, is probably going to be the biggest factor in how he performs in 2007.

by Jim McLennan on Feb 18, 2007 7:42 PM EST up reply actions  

Numbers
I don't understand how those numbers have any meaning at all here in 2007.

RJ was the man 99-02. Nobody was better than he was.

Now we have a very fair Randy, one who posted a 5.00 ERA last year. One who is clearly declining at a more rapid rate, and one who is NO LONGER FEARED at all.

2.67 ERA at the BOB is what Randy did when he was in his prime. Assuming he will do the same simply b/c he is back is nothing but foolish.

Bringing back Tony Womack won't give us a great leadoff hitter simply because that's what he used to be when he played at the BOB.

by biggerunit1 on Feb 18, 2007 9:18 PM EST up reply actions  

Relevance...
[ I don't understand how those numbers have any meaning at all here in 2007. ]

They simply show that RJ, over a six-year period ending in October 2004 (not 2002), was not seriously affected by the supposedly "hitter-friendly" nature of Chase. Why should he suddenly be now?

by Jim McLennan on Feb 18, 2007 10:36 PM EST up reply actions  

I am not sure
How you discount one set of statistics but then use sets of stats to back up your beliefs... Quoting stats from when he was obviously not healthy is no more fair than quoting his best year.
Ditto to quoting he is declining rapidly because of his year last year. Unless you happen to be one of the members of a competing squad in the division, I dont understand how you can quote he is "no longer feared" as a fact as it is not based on any facts but your feelings.

Oh and I never liked Womack anyway.... :P

by AZDarkKnight on Feb 19, 2007 3:34 AM EST up reply actions  

HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA
[Bringing back Tony Womack won't give us a great leadoff hitter simply because that's what he used to be when he played at the BOB.]

<wipes away tears>

That's the funniest thing I've heard in months.

by nihil67 on Feb 19, 2007 11:24 AM EST up reply actions  

Reading is for the mental
If you take a look over at the Community Projections for the Rotation (that Jim has locked o.0), you'll notice that we aren't exactly flying high on Randy as a community.

Johnson: 14-8, 3.95

Those are probably obtainable numbers if he's healthy.  They also aren't Cy Young numbers.  I don't think anyone is under the disillusion here that he's going to return to his form of his previous tenure.

by nihil67 on Feb 19, 2007 11:30 AM EST up reply actions  

Just to clarify...
[ (that Jim has locked o.0), ]

That happens automatically after a certain time. This was declared by those in charge, as old posts were becoming spam traps. I'd have rather they allowed a bit more time: two weeks, maybe, rather than one, but I'm afraid it's outside my control. I can re-enable comments on request (and have done on that diary), but dunno how long it'll stay open for. So post today! :-)

by Jim McLennan on Feb 19, 2007 12:12 PM EST up reply actions  

a little harsh
Here are Jim's projections for the Big Unit in 2007:
AZ SnakePit: 15-9, 3.82 ERA
Better than my projections, but what Jim isn't saying here is that the Unit is going to suddenly shed 7 years and win two more Cy Youngs in AZ, he's merely saying that if the Unit were to post another 5+ ERA season (even high 4s) would be quite a surprise.  And he is certainly right.  The Unit may well post those numbbers, but I would imagine that would be because of health issues, not because of the fact that he has suddenly lost all ability to pitch.  Sure he's old, but is he totally washed up?  I don't think so.  Winning 13+ games with an ERA hovering around 4 is very feasible.  

By the way, here are the team OPS comparisons of AL East vs. NL West:
Yankees: 824
Toronto: 811
Red Sox: 786
Orioles: 763
D-Rays: 733

Dodgers: 781
Rockies: 774
D-Backs: 755
Padres: 749
Giants: 746

I don't know how you could argue that the competition Johnson is facing in the NL West is in any way comprable to those lineups.  Our leader, the Dodgers, would rank fourth (people forget what a great offensive team Toronto had last year, by the way).  

by johngordonma on Feb 19, 2007 12:49 PM EST up reply actions  

Park Adjusted Team OPS...
..was actually higher for the NL West, after one subtracts out NYY & AZ, which, in terms of projecting Randy, is appropriate as he's not facing either offense.

AL East      OPS+          NL West      OPS+
Toronto      106                LA          104
Boston       101            San Diego   102
Baltimore     97            Colorado     99
Tampa         87            San Fran     95  

These figures are calibrated to individual league norms, at least to a degree, so  I think it's fair to suggest a 101 in the AL might be worth more than a 102 in the NL, for example. On the other hand, the Dodgers and Red Sox each scored 820 runs last year, but LA did it without a DH and in a tougher park. I'm thinking that's the more impressive accomplishment.

I also suspect much of the AL's offensive superiority was a function of the AL Central and the Yankees(117 ops+).

by Diamondhacks on Feb 20, 2007 5:53 PM EST up reply actions  

run!
understood, but nl is far weaker than al. his era should be at most in the high 3's
"very cunning Mr. *VIII*" -- Jim

by Mr. Philosophical on Feb 17, 2007 1:26 PM EST up reply actions  

"Old Trade-Me"
The man lost all my respect when he demanded a trade out of here. I lost respect for Schilling too when he started the trend.

Quite frankly, Randy Johnson does not deserve to succeed here in Arizona. He wanted out, keep him out!

by biggerunit1 on Feb 17, 2007 5:41 PM EST reply actions  

Agreed
No matter what...IF he is healthy, he will be better. I don't care that he gave anyone the shaft on his way out of town, it happens. Have you ever left a job that you pissed off your boss? Have you ever been unhappy with the way the culture is going?  

He made a really bad move going to NY, but I am glad to have him back and he will significantly enhance our rotation, lower his ERA and produce some nice W's Over Under 13 - I say Over

http://azsportshub.com

by bobman024 on Feb 21, 2007 10:47 PM EST reply actions  

Comments For This Post Are Closed


User Tools

Welcome to the AZ SnakePit, the SB Nation blog about the Arizona Diamondbacks. "When you think about the past all the time, when you get to the present day you are thinking about the past so it becomes your future again." -- Kirk Gibson.

FanPosts

Community blog posts and discussion.

Recent FanPosts

Hl_small
New Primary Logo in 2012
Small
Free D-backs autograph session this Friday
Tmottbg_small
Exclusive Behind the Scene Tour of CHASE
Tmottbg_small
March 10 Spring Training Opportunity
Syd-barrett_small
Diamondbacks Claim Craig Tatum Off Waivers; 40 man roster full
Shoewizard-baby-72x72_small
Whats the deal with Josh Collmenter ?
Ryro_hangten_small
A Sad Day In The World Of Scrappy-ness: David Eckstein Retires
Ryro_hangten_small
Former Diamondback Craig Counsell Retires
Small
DBacks Fantasy Camp Autographs
Small
Salary Cap Dynasty League Openings

+ New FanPost All FanPosts >


Manager

Lucha_small Jim McLennan

Bench coaches

Madmen_icon_small snakecharmer

My-little-pony-friendship-is-magic-brony-not-the-element-of-efficiency_small kishi

Scarlett_small soco

Us1jack_small DbacksSkins

Players

Wailord_by_xous54_small Wailord

Hl_small Marc Fournier

Golden_dome_small Dan Strittmatter

Avogadro_small Zavada's Moustache

Small blue bulldog