Dbacks get Haren, deal Valverde
Deserving of its own diary, I feel. News breaking today - finally - involving Haren:
http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.cgi?f=/c/a/2007/12/14/SPQTTUU9P.DTL&tsp=1
(12-14) 14:49 PST -- The A's have completed a trade to send Dan Haren to the Diamondbacks along with pitcher Connor Robertson, The Chronicle has learned.
In exchange, Oakland will receive a total of six prospects, including outfielder Carlos Gonzalez and left-handers Brett Anderson and Greg Smith. Arizona's first-round pick in 2006, pitcher Max Scherzer, is not a part of the deal.
More news coming, I'm sure, but I don't see anything on MLB.com or the Republic or Yahoo...
The other part of the shoe has dropped. Valverde to Astros :( That one also gives the names of the other players involved in the A's trade.
SO, looks like this is what we did today:
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Hmmm....
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Oh
by soco on Dec 14, 2007 6:12 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
Chronicle's usually right
Haren is an amazing pitcher, and we need him more than we need CarGon. At the moment, I'm thrilled with this.
by snakecharmer on Dec 14, 2007 6:14 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
I'm just a little nervous
by soco on Dec 14, 2007 6:18 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
MLB.com just picked it up
by snakecharmer on Dec 14, 2007 6:20 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
They just broke into SportsCenter
by azshadowwalker on Dec 14, 2007 6:28 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
Details of the A's players
by snakecharmer on Dec 14, 2007 6:32 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
Zoinks
by Silverblood on Dec 14, 2007 6:32 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
Haren/Webb twosome!!!
Yeah, you're going down. :P
by snakecharmer on Dec 14, 2007 6:38 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
And what did we do?
Oy gevalt.
by Silverblood on Dec 14, 2007 6:39 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Oh yeah and let us not forget
by Silverblood on Dec 14, 2007 6:40 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Vizcaino's not too bad
by snakecharmer on Dec 14, 2007 6:43 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Pah
I'm depressed.
by Silverblood on Dec 14, 2007 6:45 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
You guys still have...
by azshadowwalker on Dec 14, 2007 6:56 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
True
by Silverblood on Dec 14, 2007 7:00 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
farm system?
Didn't work out too poorly for you last year, either, with Herges and Affeldt particularly paying dividends.
But I can't say I have much hope for you in the likes of Wells and Redman.
Vizcaino is a very decent addition... but the only good move you've made yet.
by johngordonma on Dec 15, 2007 6:56 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Ahhhhhhh!!!
by pepperdinedevil on Dec 14, 2007 6:35 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
I told you so!
"The D-backs completed a deal to acquire right-handers Dan Haren and Connor Robertson from the A's in exchange for six prospects, it was announced Friday afternoon.
In addition, the D-backs sent closer Jose Valverde to the Astros in exchange for infielder Chris Burke and right-handers Chad Qualls and Juan Gutierrez.
Included in the trade to Oakland are pitchers Brett Anderson, Greg Smith and Dana Eveland along with outfielders Carlos Gonzalez and Aaron Cunningham and first baseman Chris Carter."
by pepperdinedevil on Dec 14, 2007 6:39 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
I was fairly sure...
by azshadowwalker on Dec 14, 2007 6:54 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
I don't understand
by Mr. Philosophical on Dec 14, 2007 6:54 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
YES!!
Acquiring Haren and selling high on Valverde, I love it!!
by NGOChocolate on Dec 14, 2007 6:59 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
It all makes sense, now...
First, the Valverde deal. I love it. You toss Valverde, who, while effective this year and 05, looked horrible in 06, for the remarkably consistant Qualls, who slots right into the 7th inning, get a reasonable prospect (4th in the Astros system according to BA) who held the PCL to a 4.15 ERA in Gutierrez, and a decent utility guy in Chris Burke, who looked pretty damn good in 06. I'd almost take Qualls for Valverde straight up, if only to lower my blood pressure. Gotta think this, if not a clear win for us, fits into JByrnes' ptiching strategy.
Second, the Callaspo deal. When you're able to keep Bonifacio and deal for Burke, 2B is not your problem, ODawg contract discussions notwithstanding. You flip a guy not in our short or long term plans for a guy in Buckner who can help in the bullpen today, or start at the back end of the rotation soonish. That's a win in my book.
Third, the Haren deal. We all love Haren, and rightfully so. Three years of ace-like quality at a huge discount? Seriously? Go us! But 6 prospects makes you wonder... However, notice the lack of any major league guys, the lack of Scherzer, Parker, or Bonifacio. I'm happy that the system wasn't fully gutted. Yeah, Cunningham and Carter look like studs, but they were virtually free to acquire and we're set long term at 1B and the OF. As for Eveland; Gutierrez, Buckner, and Petit make him redundant. Smith is a solid prospect, and I hope he doesn't blossom in Oakland, but I think I'll live with out him. The loss of CarGon and Anderson hurt, but Anderson is supposed to pale in comparison to Parker, and again, we don't need an outfielder in the short or long term. I call it a win, but time will tell; I actually regret losing Smith...
In all, this fits perfectly with JByrnes' operating MO. Gotta be excited to be a D-Back fan today...
by dbackerinparadise on Dec 14, 2007 7:03 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
I think
by AZSEAfan on Dec 14, 2007 7:58 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
carter the former white sox prospect?
by dbackerinparadise on Dec 14, 2007 8:04 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
Yes!
by DiamondbacksWIn on Dec 14, 2007 8:13 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
Think of this 5 man rotation
by DiamondbacksWIn on Dec 14, 2007 8:18 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
Better yet...
by Jim McLennan on Dec 14, 2007 9:47 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Wow
The Valverde deal, I think that was a nice move and a good dump of a pitcher that's not a lock to be a top closer.
by nihil67 on Dec 14, 2007 8:24 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
Hello Chris, ByeBye ODawg?
by fjm235 on Dec 14, 2007 8:24 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
Replace Hudson?
by Jim McLennan on Dec 14, 2007 9:45 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Superutility player
I think we lock Hudson up, or we're REALLY sold on Bonifacio; either way, I don't see Burke as a long term 2B option for us.
by dbackerinparadise on Dec 14, 2007 8:59 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
roller coaster day
Valverde always scared me, but I had to admire his luck. In El Paso, he made a wild pitch once with a guy on third base. The ball flew past the catcher, hit the concrete base of the backstop and bounced back right at the catcher, who caught it, spun around and put out the runner trying to get home. Amazing. Wonderful. But not something you want to rely on.
by monica in el paso on Dec 14, 2007 9:08 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
Rotation for the Ages
I'm not very familiar with the guys from the Astros, but I think for my sanity and well being, it'll be good for Valverde to be gone. I will continue to root for him as an individual player though forever.
That being said, I utilized that philosophy with BK Kim...and that led to some painful moments.
by bcloirao on Dec 14, 2007 9:19 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
Robertson
by FatLeprechaun on Dec 14, 2007 9:24 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
Edited and corrected
by Jim McLennan on Dec 14, 2007 9:55 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Well, I missed all of that this afternoon...
In-depth reports on all three of today's deals in due course, naturally. My first instincts, though, are that all three trades mesh into this team making a statement that The Future is Now. The next three years, in fact, would appear to be the window of opportunity, with Webb and Haren at the front of the rotation. Beane pretty much raped the farm system, however - that's the #1, #3, #7 and #8 prospects gone from Baseball America's list. Speaking of lists, I hope no-one had a #47 shirt on their Christmas one...
by Jim McLennan on Dec 14, 2007 9:40 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
mlbtraderumors.com
by seton hall snake pit on Dec 14, 2007 9:43 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
And another obvious question
by Jim McLennan on Dec 14, 2007 9:59 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
you serious?
by seton hall snake pit on Dec 14, 2007 10:37 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Hmm
by nihil67 on Dec 14, 2007 11:27 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
I was wondering the same thing....
I really hope the Valverde trade turns into the same kinda trade for us as Billy Beane's trade of either Keith Foulke or Jason Isringhausen (I forget which one) -- the year after he was traded, he imploded. Of course, he also bounced back eventually.
by DbacksSkins on Dec 17, 2007 4:48 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Cruz
by johngordonma on Dec 17, 2007 8:33 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
With this rotation ...
by monica in el paso on Dec 14, 2007 11:29 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
In on the excitment
I just love being a fan of this team. It's Christmas early again for the Dbacks!
by Counsellmember on Dec 14, 2007 11:29 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
OK
I'm not crazy about us giving Greg Smith AND Brett Anderson, but at the same time I'm not sure if they'd ever be impact pitchers. Likewise, I'm not crazy about us giving up on Callaspo, but I'm hoping that the idea is that we go after Hudson, which I like.
I've stated my case against Haren and I still don't believe that he'll be as good here as he was in Oakland, but there's worse pitchers you can have on your team. He's relatively cheap, which is rarely a bad thing.
I don't see any reason to bring Burke to Arizona. Yes, he's a nice bench guy, but if it's between Burke and Callaspo, I'd rather have Callaspo. Oh well.
So, in all, I think JB has done pretty well. People that shouldn't have been traded (Parra, Parker, Scherzer, Upton, Young, Jackson) weren't and we've improved the team.
by nihil67 on Dec 14, 2007 11:37 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
hurrah
by hotclaws on Dec 15, 2007 12:14 AM EST reply actions 0 recs
trade
http://mlbfleecefactor.com/2007/12/15/the-2008-arizona-diamondbacks/
by em3 on Dec 15, 2007 12:19 AM EST reply actions 0 recs
trade
sorry!
by em3 on Dec 15, 2007 12:49 AM EST reply actions 0 recs
Love the news!
Our farm seems to be greatly depleted as a result, though nothing a few good drafts can't fix. Which is not a given though.
Well this is the best time to go for a win now approach anyway, and at a relatively low payroll too. The questions would only come after 3 seasons, where arbitration starts for a lot of our players and the contracts for our aces end.
Aces.. I like this word.
by singaporedbacksfan on Dec 15, 2007 12:57 AM EST reply actions 0 recs
Farm System
http://mlbfleecefactor.com/2007/12/15/the-2008-arizona-diamondbacks/
by em3 on Dec 15, 2007 12:59 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
in a way
by hotclaws on Dec 15, 2007 1:25 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Haren Wore Down
But that's not all. At that point Haren had had 26 starts and 24 of them were Quality Starts. (Webb had "only" 17 QS out of his first 26.) Haren's only 2 bad games came vs. the Bronx Bombers. His ERA against them: 6.97. Against everybody else: 2.15.
So how come he went 2-5 down the stretch? Quite simply, they wore him out. On August 16 he threw 121 pitches. That came after 113 and 109 pitch outings. It was too much. He managed only one QS in his next 5 games, going 1-3 and 6.59. Remarkably he came back after that to post 3 straight QS's and a 2.70 ERA to close out the season, although his record was only 1-2. So outside of that one bad stretch he not only outpitched Webby but Jake Peavy as well! As it was he tied Peavy with 28 QS. Webb finished in a 5-way tie for 11th with 22.
The last time the D'backs had 2 aces heading their rotation was 2001. Now if RJ is healthy...
by fjm235 on Dec 15, 2007 1:44 AM EST reply actions 0 recs
Randy
It may be an exaggeration, but this is the happiest I've been about the Diamondbacks since 2001.
by isoldout on Dec 15, 2007 2:27 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
quick side note
by frienetic on Dec 18, 2007 10:05 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Wow
I'm a huge fan of both trades. Particularly of the Valverde trade. Qualls is really underrated, hurls in a hitters' park, and is under contract (only $400K this year) until 2011. Beautiful. I never liked Burke, but I think he was swapped for Callaspo since he's more flexible in the field. He also has a bit more speed and HR potential. Seems like a savvy organizational move.
The Haren deal is not quite the coup that the Valverde deal was, but still a solid trade. I actually think it serves both teams well. For us we get an excellent starter in Haren who will provide a very legitimate #2 starter. His numbers are slightly inflated because he plays in the Colosseum, but of course he's also playing in the AL. No question he's a solid #2. We gave up a lot for him, but nobody who was untouchable, and that is the key. I think Byrnes is being very savvy to do a quantity for quality deal at this juncture. We've got the lineup slotted out for the next few years. There's no reason to pack out the minor leagues. Of course none of the prospects (Upton, Young, Scherzer, etc) are stone cold locks, but the organizational depth is a luxury that I believe has been utilized by Byrnes for immediate help.
The Dodgers and Rockies have to have to queasy this morning!
by johngordonma on Dec 15, 2007 6:25 AM EST reply actions 0 recs
Burke will surprise you
by DiamondDog on Dec 15, 2007 12:10 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
This is enough to wake me up!
I really am not worried about giving up the prospects that we did, as prospects are all they are so far.
With the pitching market the way it is, I think we will come out smelling of roses - now lets just improve the hitting a little bits guys!
I wonder if this trade will have an impact on Hudson too as looking at that rotation certainly tells me I'd be with a competitor for the foreseeable future.
by AZDarkKnight on Dec 15, 2007 9:09 AM EST reply actions 0 recs
Yes!
So long, Papa Grande.
by oklahomasooners on Dec 15, 2007 12:13 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
Congrats!!!
by DodgerBlueBalls on Dec 15, 2007 12:20 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
But what will
by soco on Dec 15, 2007 12:28 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Exactly Soco!
by DodgerBlueBalls on Dec 15, 2007 12:45 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Eric Byrnes
by isoldout on Dec 15, 2007 12:46 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Eric's hustle
Rest assured, while Valverde's departure makes the D'backs more watchable, with Mark Grace around, they will remain "Watchable - but only with the mute button on."
by DodgerBlueBalls on Dec 15, 2007 12:55 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
paging grover
"It really doesn't make sense to try to judge this trade now, because it all depends on how well the A's have scouted. Players generally turn out to be better or worse than projected."
That would pretty much cover it, wouldn't it? Players do, in general, turn out to be better or worse than projected. Brilliant analysis. Kidding aside, Nico is right. These are the types of judges that are impossible to judge when this number of minor leaguers is involved. In Anderson and Gonzalez they may have two very strong all-star level major leaguers. If one of them pans out and the other is a good contributor, it's a good deal for them.
Seems to me that more teams are shifting to the quantity approach with the minor leaguers in these trades with the very top of each team's farm crop being untouchable.
by johngordonma on Dec 15, 2007 12:22 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
Can I just mention Haren is cute?
by hotclaws on Dec 15, 2007 5:24 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
However...
Not that either fact probably matters much in this case, however. ;-)
by Jim McLennan on Dec 15, 2007 9:38 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs

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