DBacks Daily 10/5/07 - Save tonight... tomorrow I'll be gone

by snakecharmer on Oct 5, 2007 12:59 PM EDT in News Comment 53 comments

Quote of the Day #1: "The fastball, which came in at a commendable 92 mph, ended up in the left-field seats. Lilly fired his glove to the mound in frustration; the glove was clocked at 93." - Randy Hill, FoxSports.com

Quote of the Day #2: Have to say, for 2 pitchers, Lilly and Hart sound more like a Valentine card. - hotclaws

Well Papa Grande saved (not technically) yesterday's game for us, and off we go to Chicago!! We take a 2-0 series lead with us, but we can't get cocky. The last time a team lost a 2-0 series was Oakland (and Byrnes was a part of that loss) and it was an absolutely terrible feeling. That said, I feel pretty good about this one! :) Even if the Cubs' bats do come alive in the friendly confines, I think we can match them, and our bullpen is pretty well rested if needed.

The media certainly didn't think we'd be up 2-0 in this series (honestly, who did?) so I think there's going to be a lot of news today and tomorrow. I'm sorry that I don't have time to capture everything or even read them right now, let alone write about them in a better format. 'Skins will provide more in the comments, I know. :) As should you all! This is what this thread was intended to do, be the center of information, and I'm very proud of everybody's contributions.

Arizona Republic

Diamondbacks take 2-0 lead in series
Ojeda is Dbacks playoff pest
Webb for Game 4?
Clark a father figure
Superfan truly loves his Dbacks
Dan Bickley blog
And something I missed yesterday: Hudson's daily journal

AP/Y!

Young, Dbacks take 2-0 series lead (also the AP recap)
Young Snakes show they belong in post-season "Our young guys are playing like it's not their first rodeo," said Diamondbacks first baseman Tony Clark, one of the few veterans on the team. "It's impressive and gratifying to see." Thanks, TC, we really needed the media to grab more western references...
Dbacks 2B Ojeda contributing in starting role

MLB.com

Dbacks fans raise the volume
Chess match: Lilly lingers too long
Short hops: Game 2
Ojeda plays his way into prominent role
Ten things to like about the Dbacks Hey, I know we can think of more than 10!
Young shines on national stage
Dbacks sail to 2-0 lead over Cubs

Two American League contests going on today, not terribly exciting yet as they're only Game #2 for each series. I think I'll worry about the AL in the CS. In the meantime, rest easy, and be patient, my young Dbacks. Do not feel overwhelmed with the increase in media attention you are surely noticing... play your game, and you will win!

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From the ten things article

"To me, a leader is a servant, somebody that makes themselves available to the group," Clark says. "They offer whatever experiences that they've experienced to them in hopes of them becoming better ballplayers, better men, better fathers, better husbands, whatever the case happens to be."

What a great guy he must be. Class all around. We are lucky to have his perspective for the club and the players.

"Are we out of bananas? No, we are in of bananas."

by 4CornersFan on Oct 5, 2007 1:38 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs

Awesome

I'm really thrilled to hear and see how this team actually acts like a team. It's depressingly rare in this game anymore.

I'm not superstitious- it's bad luck.

by kishi on Oct 5, 2007 5:21 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

Al from BCB counts as media, right?

If so, I think this should be our QOTD #1: "And incidentally -- who turned Augie Ojeda into Chase Utley? Whoever did, would you please change him back, before Saturday?"

Come on, Sandy Baby, loosen up. You're too tight.

by DbacksSkins on Oct 5, 2007 1:57 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs

Superstitions?

Anybody got any superstitions going for the series so far? Anything you're doing to help the DBacks win?

I'm wearing my purple polo shirt, jeans, and my turquoise shoes everyday there's a game. So far it's working.

(Yeah, obviously I'm female. I don't want to see turquoise shoes on any guys.)

"Are we out of bananas? No, we are in of bananas."

by 4CornersFan on Oct 5, 2007 2:24 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs

I've been drinking a different beer each game...

...and each beer has been one that I've maybe had before but never during a baseball game.

Game 1 - Sierra Nevada Bigfoot Barleywine (So Webb could stomp the opposition)
Game 2 - Pete's Rally Cap Ale (Because we were the underdog to Lilly and the Cubs)

Come on, Sandy Baby, loosen up. You're too tight.

by DbacksSkins on Oct 5, 2007 2:30 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

I've got

the little diamondbacks hat on my 10-week old son. Maybe I'll post a picture of him. He has to be facing me though. Bad to look at the tv at that age.

by andrewinnewyork on Oct 5, 2007 2:52 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

Now,

if we just get a DBacks hat for skins and an Abita for Winn's kid, we'll be unstoppable.

by dahlian on Oct 6, 2007 12:12 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

Reading,

but not posting in the gameday thread while the game is actually being played. While my record for games seen in person is now at 25-6 this season, the games I participated here in the thread are... well.... not so good.

by unnamedDBacksfan on Oct 5, 2007 2:47 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

My

jersey. and i got a certain spot i sit (crouch)while watching the games on tv. been the same spot all year and has worked well including Drews April walkoff and the 3 consecutive walkoffs. unfortunately my ceiling fan is above me and when i jump up, my hands get whacked.

My 5 yr old daughter does the dance thing they do at the games (i call it the cow milker) along with the wifey.

by Adam1 on Oct 5, 2007 4:43 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

I've been rotating my shirts

Game 1 got my Webb Cy Young t-shirt someone (I forget who) game me for my birthday, Game 2 got the Byrnes shirt that I got from my wife's parents, and tomorrow's game I'm wearing my sedona red D-backs shirt.

I have also spoken to three year olds before each game, so I might have to try to find one to talk to tomorrow.

I'm not superstitious- it's bad luck.

by kishi on Oct 5, 2007 5:14 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

Webb Cy Young

We bought the "Extra Innings" package from Direct TV as soon as I realized that MLB was going to block out anything but the Rockies (which is our "area" team), and one of the things it offers, in addition to being able to watch most of the Diamondbacks' games, is the fun of listening to the other team's announcers. There doesn't seem to be any rhyme or reason as to whether they take the FSN Arizona feed or the opposing team's feed. Anywho. When the DBacks were playing the Nationals, we got their announcers. Oh, they were poor. But my favorite comment by them was that Brandon Webb was a Cy Young "candidate" last year. Not the winner, just a candidate. Don't know why they printed those t-shorts saying he won...

"Are we out of bananas? No, we are in of bananas."

by 4CornersFan on Oct 5, 2007 5:27 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

It's usually the home team's channel

I just figured that out after, uh, five years of thinking it was random... :)

by snakecharmer on Oct 5, 2007 6:39 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

eating pasta

in honour of the FSM and drinking red wine

We will meet in Red 3 at the hour of scampering.

by hotclaws on Oct 5, 2007 7:22 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

Hmmm.... the BCB gameday thread yesterday

was funny enough, but I think I'd like to post some comments from the BCB recap this morning.

First, from the recap itself:

"But this Cub team has looked this bad during the 2007 season (witness, the series in Florida last week), and followed it up with solid, top-notch performances (the back-to-back shutouts last weekend in Cincinnati a perfect example)."

In case you're unaware, the Cubs got swept by the Marlins, and then came back to beat the Reds. Verrrry impressive.

I remain optimistic

And am convinced we can STILL win this series because the Cubs team that played 17-12 in September has yet to show up on the field. Fact is, the Dbcks are primed to be taken down now that they are fat, dumb, happy, and convinced they will win it all. I say let their arrogance, pride, and ego be their downfall when the series reconvenes in Wrigley and the 'real' Cubs players finally show up.

by JFCubFan on Friday, October 5, 2007 at 8:07 AM CT
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Fat? Dumb? Happy? Convinced we will win it all? Arrogance? Pride? Ego? Sawdust in my eye, log in yours. We ARE happy and proud, though.

Our sluggers need to step up.

When did we morph into the Padres offense?

by Kornchex on Friday, October 5, 2007 at 8:11 AM CT
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When you stopped playing against Astros, Pirates, and Reds pitching. (12th, 14th, and 15th in the league)

Won't it be sweeter when the Cubs win the next 3!

3 wins

It doesn't matter if you win the Games 1,2,3 or 2,3, 4....you just have to win 3 games.

These Cubs could win 3,4,5.

We lost one game more then we all thought we would. Most of us educated fans were planning on a split.

We are only 1 game behind.

Game 1 was our April
Game 2 was our May
Game 3,4,5 will be our June - through Sept.

Cubs in 5!!! I am so excited!

Aug 15 - Ted Lilly walked by the lineup card and said to nobody in particular "I can't believe I'm batting 9th again".
by mweil on Friday, October 5, 2007 at 8:16 AM CT
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As I've been saying, when the Cubs sweep finally comes, I'll be ever so upset. :( Not to mention the fact that I don't think the Cubs fans saw any of OUR June through Sept.

my new signature line

Et tu, Augie, et tu?

Et tu, Augie, et tu?
by mlf on Friday, October 5, 2007 at 9:24 AM CT
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Amen, brother.

Agree

I agree with everything you say and did anyone notice Soriano peeling off on the double play ball in the 9th? What was that and he was lucky to get back to 2nd after Ojeda dropped the ball. Can you imagine the D-Backs LF Eric Byrnes ever doing that???!!! Soriano is a blockhead and only gets by on his raw skills. Give me Eric Byrnes any day over Soriano.

by gdog on Friday, October 5, 2007 at 9:51 AM CT
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Whoa.... somebody from another team's fans says something positive about Byrnes?

That is all. (For now, anyway)

Come on, Sandy Baby, loosen up. You're too tight.

by DbacksSkins on Oct 5, 2007 2:26 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs

I don't have any idea

what this last guy is trying to say. Soriano is on 1st, the ball is grounded to short. Does he think Soriano shouldn't be "peeling off"? Shouldn't he be running hard and doing a takeout slide to stop the DP? What does he mean by "back to second"? I don't remember Soriano overrunning the bag, maybe I'm wrong. Can anyone explain?

by andrewinnewyork on Oct 5, 2007 2:57 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

Soriano over Byrnes

Man... that's a close one.

Can I have Murton or Theriot instead?

by nihil67 on Oct 5, 2007 4:54 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

Here's the SI stuff:

Tom Verducci, in his Five Cuts for Thursday, completely ignores the Dbacks, except for mentioning offhand that Livan and Doug Davis were acquired via trade, and that Brandon Webb is the only pitcher to beat the Rockies lately. Normally I like Verducci's writing, but he's starting to get on my nerves...

In contrast, John Donovan writes about the clear supremacy of the NL West. Err... how long have we been saying this again?? (And where's Ringo Kid, incidentally? He seems to have disappeared like OJ in a white Bronco as soon as the Dbacks broke that 1-1 tie in Game 1. He's probably dedicating himself to finding the REAL Cubs.)

Gennaro Filice, in his Cubs-Dbacks blog, writes about how CY's 3 run homer was the signature moment in the series so far, and may even lead to the Dbacks finally getting noticed.

On to the ESPN stuff:

Jorge Arangure Jr. asks what happens when the numbers are wrong?

Jim Caple writes about Piniella making the opposite mistake as in Game 1.

Page 2 features a fun interactive little diagram showing exactly what's going on in Steve Bartman's brain. (Hint: You'll be surprised who he's rooting for now)

Moving right along, Fox Sports' Randy Hill writes about the general suckiness of Piniella and the Cubs so far.

Finally, last but certainly not least, Baseball Prospectus may have officially predicted a Cubs sweep (Nate Silver did, anyway) but their algorithms seem to like us, for once. They now have a table set up of odds to win each postseason series. On October 3rd, we had a 48.4% chance to win the NLDS, yesterday we had a 69.5% chance and today we have an 88.1% chance. Additionally, our chances to win the World Series have gone from 10.7% (higher only than the Yankees and Rockies) to 15.6% (second only to the Red Sox) to now highest of any team at 19.5% today, a few hundredths ahead of the Rockies who are also at slightly less than 19.5%. (Cleveland is at 19.0% and Boston is at 18.3%) Really? You mean a national baseball media organ is currently picking US to win, and the Rockies are a close 2nd? Using the numbers, no less?? It's definitely worth heading over to take a look. I like those odds.

That is all. (For real this time, I think)

Come on, Sandy Baby, loosen up. You're too tight.

by DbacksSkins on Oct 5, 2007 3:03 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs

I'd be more impressed

With Arangure Jr's article if:
a) He didn't claim, in two separate places, that Valverde saved both games,
b) If he didn't spell "skewing" as "schewing". The latter sounds too much like something Austin Powers would say. And is what happened to most male AZ fans when Young hit his homer last night. :-)

by Jim McLennan on Oct 5, 2007 3:17 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

It's ESPN.

Jim, this is the choir. The congregation's that way.

Come on, Sandy Baby, loosen up. You're too tight.

by DbacksSkins on Oct 5, 2007 3:32 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

I just noticed this...

At least Hill, in the Fox Sports article above, sees it: "...in front of 48,575 at a Chase Field that was visited by fewer Cubs fans than the TBS production truck would have you believe."

Come on, Sandy Baby, loosen up. You're too tight.

by DbacksSkins on Oct 5, 2007 3:35 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

Nice

The coverage of this series has made me more fond of the reporters at the Fox Sports website. They're certainly giving better coverage than ESPN.

I'm not superstitious- it's bad luck.

by kishi on Oct 5, 2007 5:18 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

Yet another gem from the Hill article

"The fastball, which came in at a commendable 92 mph, ended up in the left-field seats. Lilly fired his glove to the mound in frustration; the glove was clocked at 93."

Come on, Sandy Baby, loosen up. You're too tight.

by DbacksSkins on Oct 5, 2007 3:39 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

Haa, good one

Winner. :) But the TBS quote was a close 2nd.

by snakecharmer on Oct 5, 2007 5:18 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

Which TBS quote?

Come on, Sandy Baby, loosen up. You're too tight.

by DbacksSkins on Oct 6, 2007 12:24 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

Ahahahahah

Remember the "Who is more likely to rally from an 0-2 deficit?" poll on SI? Well, now they've changed the wording.

"Who is more likely to avoid getting swept?"

a. Cubs.
b. Phillies.
(Not included: C. None of the above).

Friendly visiting Rockies fan.

by Silverblood on Oct 5, 2007 3:20 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs

Well then.

Good to know! That's at least a little bit less pro-Cubs/Philllies. It may finally be hitting them that the Dbacks and Rockies each have a chance not to get swept.

Come on, Sandy Baby, loosen up. You're too tight.

by DbacksSkins on Oct 5, 2007 3:27 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

Oh... and this isn't exactly today's news,

but I'm not sure whether it's been reported on in the Daily. The Rockies are classy.

Come on, Sandy Baby, loosen up. You're too tight.

by DbacksSkins on Oct 5, 2007 3:50 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs

They really are

and I'm very, very proud of them. These are players mostly making major-league minimum, and ALL of them, with the exception of Helton, making under $5 million. The payroll is $54 mil (he gets 16 mil of that) ranked 25th out of 30. These young players are taking money from their own pockets and using it to financially benefit a pregnant widow with two preschool-aged children; her late husband was a coach that all of them knew well and respected -- at the AA level, and they are going out of their way to help her. What's more, this wasn't a needle-in-the-back for some good PR. The players did this of their own accord and didn't even intend to have it hit the papers. The Rockies are showing true class and character on and off the field.

Friendly visiting Rockies fan.

by Silverblood on Oct 5, 2007 4:30 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

Good to hear

It's nice to know there's another team in the division I can have some respect for...

I'm not superstitious- it's bad luck.

by kishi on Oct 5, 2007 5:19 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

Apparently

Cubs fans are getting really, disgustingly desperate.

Here's a video, but be sure to read that thread above before clicking on it, so you know what you're about to see.

Come on, Sandy Baby, loosen up. You're too tight.

by DbacksSkins on Oct 5, 2007 4:14 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs

Discovered

Part of the reason why we chased BCB so hard in the comments last night. There was an unofficial "optimistic" Gameday Thread started, where people went who were fed up with the negative tone of the other thread in Game One [and again last night!] 500+ comments in that one alone. Here's to us never ending up in that situation:

"Excuse me. Are you the Judean People's Front?"
"F___ off! We're the People's Front of Judea!"

by Jim McLennan on Oct 5, 2007 4:45 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs

Yeah.

I read through both, and the "positive" one was really more like the "sane" one. I certainly agree with the thought of that never happening here. We seem to get along swimmingly, win or lose, because we have the ability to put things in perspective.

Let's face it, both the Cubs and the Diamondbacks are ahead of where they were supposed to be this year. Both of them had somewhere around a 20-game turnaround. But with the Cubs, the expectation once you reach the playoffs is World Series or bust, and I think that was unrealistic with that roster. Some people are just now discovering that the hard way.

by Azreous on Oct 5, 2007 5:03 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

For amusement

Over on DBBP, moviegeekjn produced this lovely little animated gif:

http://i128.photobucket.com/albums/p183/moviegeekjn/output.gif

by Jim McLennan on Oct 5, 2007 5:59 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs

Beautiful

I think it sums up the series so far, from the Cubs perspective.

I'm not superstitious- it's bad luck.

by kishi on Oct 5, 2007 6:56 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

Damn you Jim!

I posted that over in your recap thread about a minute ago before I read this. Oh well. When I watch this, all I can think of is the "Price Is Right" sound that goes off when someone loses. (Sound warning, may want to turn down the volume a bit)

Stay grindy, my friends.

by soco on Oct 5, 2007 9:23 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

Yankees blow lead

Indians tie it in the eighth without a hit: a walk, a wild pitch, a sacrifice and another wild pitch. Chamberlain has just added a hit batter and another walk.

by Jim McLennan on Oct 5, 2007 8:06 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs

Good

Carmona is pitching a great game, I would have hated to see him get the loss of of one mistake.

I'm not superstitious- it's bad luck.

by kishi on Oct 5, 2007 8:16 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

Rough playoffs so far

for rookie relievers. At least Chamberlain hasn't been mistaken for a rodent on a national broadcast.

by peachy rex on Oct 5, 2007 8:18 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

Yanks go down

Rivera wriggles out of a bases-loaded jam in the 10th, but Vizcaino can't escape the same predicament in the 11th.

Meanwhile JD Drew gets an RBI hit in the playoffs. Armageddon cometh, brothers and sisters.

by peachy rex on Oct 5, 2007 9:36 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs

I don't know why

But this photo makes me laugh.

I'm not superstitious- it's bad luck.

by kishi on Oct 5, 2007 10:13 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

Wow

So, I was wandering around Google, trying to find a team batting average for the post-season, and stumbled across a page where a guy was talking about a playoff prediction system that Bill James came up with. Some strange points on it, but I scrolled down to see his predictions of the D-backs-Cubs series. To quote:

Cubs-Diamondbacks:

1 pt to the lead team for each half-game in the standings (ARI - 10)
3 pts to the team that scored more runs (CHC - 3)
14 pts to the team with fewer doubles (ARI - 14)
12 pts to the team with more triples (ARI - 12)
10 pts to the team with more home runs (ARI - 10)
8 pts to the team with the lower team batting average (ARI - 8)
8 pts to the team that committed fewer errors (CHC - 8)
7 pts to the team that turned more double plays (ARI - 7)
7 pts to the team that walked more batters (CHC - 7)
19 pts to the team that had more shutouts (ARI - 19)
15 pts to the team whose ERA was lower (CHC - 15)
12 pts to the team that has been in postseason most recently or went further (ARI - 0)
12 pts to the team that won season series (ARI - 12)

CHC - 33, ARI - 92

I guess someone did pick us to win the series, then! I don't get how it works (fewer doubles is good?) but, hey, whatever works.

I'm not superstitious- it's bad luck.

by kishi on Oct 5, 2007 9:44 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs

Awesome

More web wanderings- I just was looking at Ojeda's page on baseball-reference.com and saw Diamondhacks is sponsoring the page. The line is classic. Nicely done, sir. Nicely done.

I'm not superstitious- it's bad luck.

by kishi on Oct 5, 2007 11:15 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

Thanks Devin

I wrote that back in June, more or less as a joke, after he hit a homer in Baltimore.

Turned out rather prophetic. Hey, sometimes things fall right in your lap. :-)

by Diamondhacks on Oct 6, 2007 12:19 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs

Hmmm....

Have you thought about going into the stock market?

Come on, Sandy Baby, loosen up. You're too tight.

by DbacksSkins on Oct 6, 2007 12:26 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

It's certainly less nasty

Than your one on the page for Chris Snyder.

by Jim McLennan on Oct 6, 2007 3:43 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

So much for the dream

of the all-underdog Championship Series. But four sweeps in the DS could be kinda exciting, in a perverse kinda of way. (With the additional bonus of less TBS coverage.)

by peachy rex on Oct 6, 2007 12:49 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs

Argh....

Batster's going to be pissed at me, but I really have to say: I'm completely over the Red Sox. As soon as they won the World Series, they became just another big spending, major market team buying a championship. Yankees lite. Did anyone else find it obnoxious, the way Manny Ramirez hit that walkoff homer and just stood there for about 5 seconds??

Fuck the Red Sox. Fuck the Yankees a little more, but fuck the Red Sox.

Come on, Sandy Baby, loosen up. You're too tight.

by DbacksSkins on Oct 6, 2007 1:05 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs

YES!

What a freakin cow Manny's become... I wonder why he didn't just take a picture, they last longer that way... Their pity party wore out when they finally won.

by unnamedDBacksfan on Oct 6, 2007 2:04 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

I really hope

our team was watching the end of that game, and someone like Melvin or Gibson turned to the young guys and said, 'If you ever do something like that, you'll be back in Tucson the next day.' And Clark turns around and adds 'With my cleat marks on your ass.'

by peachy rex on Oct 6, 2007 3:09 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

Agreed, completely.

Totally uncalled for and unsportsmanlike. Then again, do you expect any less from Manny Ramirez?

Hitting a home run, then just admiring it for that long... for a second, I thought I was watching a Giants game...

On another note, it always amuses me the way Tony Clark runs out home runs. He always goes slow, not because he's dogging it, but because that is his full speed. ;D

Come on, Sandy Baby, loosen up. You're too tight.

by DbacksSkins on Oct 6, 2007 3:16 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

Well, whaddaya know...

More BCB love for Byrnes:

"Soriano

He dogs it. There is no doubt about that and I don't want to hear these excuses like "oh, he's only 90% healthy" garbage. You're absolutely right that he "could've" caught that foul ball. One thing is for sure, Eric Byrnes would've not only caught that ball but gave everything he had to catch it.

Speaking of Byrnes, his triple off the wall was another half ass effort by Soriano. He had no idea where that ball was and jumped into the wall to make it look good. Why didn't he have any idea where the ball was? Because what's becoming a trend with Soriano, he was more concerned of where the wall was,instead of where the ball was.

How 'bout that double off the wall he played into a single? No way a player with his speed, should not be on 2nd on that play. I don't want to hear about "the Cubs were down by 4 dude" either. Another excuse for his dogging.

by lemon20pie on Friday, October 5, 2007 at 12:00 PM CT
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Then again, if you're comparing the way Byrnes plays to the way Soriano plays, I think Byrnes is pretty much going to come out on top every time.

Come on, Sandy Baby, loosen up. You're too tight.

by DbacksSkins on Oct 6, 2007 3:12 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs