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AZ 2, Mets 15 - How Low Can You Go?

Record: 34-29. Change on last season: +1

There comes a point in every losing streak, where you just have to sit back and realise that there's no point worrying about it. Things will unfold however they're going to, and there's nothing you can do. Oh, you can rant and rage about Russ Ortiz being an overpaid, overweight, overdue for waiving pitcher, but... I get the sense, from the comments during today's game that, while the insults and criticisms kept coming, our hearts weren't really in it.

We've lost seven games in a row - the longest streak in AZ SnakePit history. And not just "lost"; lost, by a combined score of 16-58. Right at the moment, the Diamondbacks suck. We know it. The players know it. Management knows it. The opposition know it. And, frankly, we might as well save our energy stating the fact, and spend it on more worthwhile endeavours such as, oh, solving world hunger, curing cancer or watching the hourly bulletins regarding Brangelina's baby on E! The really weird thing is, feeling this gloom and despondency when only four teams in the National League have better records...

Is it GrimsleyGate? While it's certainly true that we haven't led for a single pitch since word of the scandal seeped out early in Tuesday's game, there is a certain point beyond which highly-paid professionals should be able to put distractions such as that behind them. What we now appear to be dealing with here is simple poor play. This may be a particularly sharp, savage regression: the general consensus before the season was that this team would be lucky to reach .500, and so a 34-22 start - on pace for 98 wins - was far, far above expectations.

If that's the case, then there's probably little that can usefully be done, with the current roster. We won't lose the remaining 99 games. We could play .400 ball the remainder of the way, and we'd still be around the 75 wins mark, about what most people anticipated. Where things get interesting, is when the debate starts - see VIII's diary - about calling up our prospects, to revitalize the team. As he so eloquently put it: "Look, we suck now. Our vets cannot handle this. I think we need to call up our prospects. Right now."

But I don't agree. Sure, Hairston's line (.320 BA, 15 HR, 46 RBI) looks gaudy compared to the likes of Gonzalez, but there are a couple of issues. Firstly, obviously, it's off AAA pitchers. There's a nice article on 'What Minor League Stats Really Mean': they compared the stats of players who played in both leagues the same year, and came out with translation values. For example, when promoted, a typical hitter will get 83% of the number of hits he got in AAA. Using these figures, Hairston's stats are the major league equivalent of .266, 10 HR, 34 RBI - much less impressive.

Secondly, there's the issue of "starting the clock" - that doesn't affect Hairston, but does Drew, Young, Callaspo, etc. Basically, the sooner we call them up, the sooner they will reach free agency. If we call them up for 2006, that means they'll be free agents after 2011, not 2012. And which would you rather have: half a season of a 23-year old rookie, in pursuit of a meaningless pennant [Anyone think we'd NOT get swept in the first round of the playoffs?] or a full year of Drew, aged 29, with five years of major league experience and in his prime? I know which is more likely to help the Diamondbacks, that's for sure.

By all means, we should strive to do as well as we can this year - starting by breaking this losing streak. That goes without saying. But I am not interested in sacrificing the future for the fools' gold which would be the 2006 NL West Championship. The current roster is not Stephen Drew short of being a World Series contender, and until issues such as our starting rotation are addressed, pulling up our talented prospects is really a diversion from the genuine problems this team has.

You'll notice I haven't said much about the actual game. That's really because there isn't much I can say. Even Russ Ortiz seemed battered into an unusual terseness: "It's one of those things. You don't how to explain it. It just happens," he said, before returning to his usual form: "The way I feel now, I don't see any reason why I should be struggling." It's not how you "feel" that matters, Russ - it's what you produce that matters. Today, that was 7 hits, four walks and seven runs, five earned, in just 3.1 innings.

Kevin Jarvis was hit even harder - six earned runs in 1.2 innings. From there, the rest of the bullpen took over, with four different pitchers each throwing an inning, and each one getting two strikeouts. Vizcaino and Julio were perfect, Aquino allowed a couple of walks, but Valverde struggled again, giving up two runs on two hits and two walks in the eighth inning.

Martinez was pulled after only five innings and 91 pitches, but with a twelve-run lead at that point, there was really no need for him to hang around. Craig Counsell was the only hitter who dealt with him to any degree, going 3-for-3 and getting thrown out at home plate in the first. The rest of the lineup were a combined 5-for-30, with Estrada's solo home run in the fifth providing a rare moment to smile about on an afternoon that was a grim slay-ing, if you see what I mean...

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Even an npineda GameDay Thread couldn't save things. But thanks to icecoldmo, Devin, IndyDBack, Ben, micmac99, Spencer, andrewinnewyork (whose fake Ortiz comments were clearly damn convincing!), kylerkenney, VIII, and William K, for managing to restrain the profanity to manageable levels, despite our abysmal performance. Thanks also to VIII and micmac99 for starting lively debates with their diaries; I'll hopefully get round to posting more thoughts in there myself, at some point tomorrow.

It's an off-day for Arizona - much needed, I think, and will hopefully give us a chance to regroup. Melvin had a closed-door meeting with the players after todays game, and that may not be the end of it. Bob McManaman writes in the Republic today:

Jason Grimsley might not be the only pitcher who gets his contract terminated by the Diamondbacks today. If Russ Ortiz isn't careful, the same fate may await him... That may sound a little drastic, but don't think the Diamondbacks aren't considering all their options after the veteran imploded Sunday - as many probably expected - during Arizona's exasperating 15-2 blowout loss to the New York Mets.

Ortiz's grip on remaining in the starting rotation, meanwhile, is tenuous at best... On Sunday, he was chased after allowing seven runs (five earned) and seven hits in just 3 1/3 innings. When asked if he would be inclined to let the struggling right-hander make his next start, set for Saturday at the Texas Rangers, manager Bob Melvin was noncommittal. "We'll discuss that," he said. Not exactly a ringing endorsement. But things have gotten so bad so quick, that ownership has an itchy trigger finger and after deciding to go to war with Grimsley, they aren't particularly worried about hurting Ortiz's feelings.

Could be an interesting off-day. Heroes and Zeroes for the series to follow, though I do not expect the former list will take long to read...

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Ah yes...
Future free agency/contract demands - - that will be the reason why the next generation of BabyBacks will stay down south this year. In my anger at the club I failed to think about the "clock"; Jim is absolutely correct, and I'm very sure Josh Byrnes is thinking along those lines as well. I still think bringing up Quentin to platoon with a certain franchise player in LF could help, but what we see is what we will work with in '06 (hopefully subtracting The Manatee shortly).

by IndyDBack on Jun 12, 2006 8:09 AM EDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Off-day?
Jim, open your eyes. Not only we got swept in a four game series, but we lost against the Phillies before that. I know they are teams that can click against us in our ballpark, but come on. We were outscored, BoMel has to adjust his lineup a bit. I mean

CF Byrnes
SS Counsell
3B Tracy/Easley/Green
1B Jackson/Clark
C  Estrada
RF Green
2B Hudson
LF Gonzalez
SP Whoever

I mean, Byrnes is not known to steal alot of base, but we do need people on base. We are last year's Reds. A team full of power, but a team who can't adjust during pressure. Counsell is in a slump. So push him down a spot. Tracy or Gonzo isn't really producing much. And having Estrada help with his power at cleanup, we can produce runs. I mean, I am not really a stats guy but you have to realized that our chemistry will click if we put our mindset on scoring runs, with knowledge, rather than power.

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Anyways, I agree that our prospect's stats are inflated because of our hitter friendly ballparks, but you got to give those guys a shot. I mean, Hairston is ripping it up, and why don't we give him a shot in the majors again. Have him split time with Gonzo in LF. I mean, he isn't doing much now a days.

I understand your concern with the FA with Drew and Young. But Drew and Young aren't getting any younger. They need some experiences now rather than screw it up during their rookie season. I know we need to be patience with our guys, but our veterans are not getting the job done. We are like the Yankees, but it seems that we are about to break now a days.

Anyways, our pitching does raise some eyebrows.  It was like that since day one in opening day. Since I'm at school, I can't type what i have to say. I need to go now. Since the bell is about to ring soon.

"very cunning Mr. *VIII*" -- Jim

by Mr. Philosophical on Jun 12, 2006 8:15 AM EDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Ortiz
Would the D'backs offer Ortiz a settlement figure to get out of the remainder of his contract?  If no agreement is forthcoming the threat of sitting on his butt for the next two years would be incentive enuf, kind of like a nonperson.

by kylerkenney on Jun 12, 2006 10:15 AM EDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Are you opposed to...
trading our vets that are performing (Green, Byrnes) for more prospects?  I'm not sure it's that crazy of a proposition.

by nihil67 on Jun 12, 2006 12:15 PM EDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

The dreaded TEAM MEETING
Jimmie:

I do support what VIII stated above.

The ideal time for a TEAM MEETING is before a game to go over strategy.  The bad time for TEAM MEETING is after a 7 game losing streak; crapping the bed on your own fans; and eventually getting your ass booed from the stadium.

I was listening to the radio talking heads of sports, in particular Dan Bickley.  He tivo'd the game, which I consider a waste of tivo.  He did note that he did see some tension between Ponch's bro and Rust as Rust was leaving the mound and heading for the stinking showers.  (That fat bastard probably urinated all over the shower room before the rest of the dismembered team appeared after their final blood letting performance.)

Life was good until last Monday when the gates opened for this 10 game home stand.

This shouldn't be a surprise but the Dbacks have paid players to leave the friendly confines and not come back ie Matt Williams and Jay Bell.  Both have come back to support this team.  Maybe that is what Rust is bucking for.  He wants a spot in the booth.

One last rant about the booth.  I was watching unmercifully the segment where the Kids Run the Show.  Thommie and Joe Sr. had some red-haired 13 year old kid in the booth.  I watched Joe Sr. put his liver spotted hand on the kid's back and do some strange back scratching support.  It was really creepy!  The kid didn't seem to notice but then he was just a kid in the booth.  Thommie and Sr. vamped on about the freckled faces of kids with red hair and came to the same conclusion.  Freckles on the faces were considered Angel kisses!  I thought I was watching a baseball game and not some Dr. Phil Oprahesque diatribe.  I now realize that Thommie and Sr. should audition for the new morning show for the new millenium Captain Kangaroo!  Now that I could watch and feel very creepy.

Jimmie, if you could not show the HEROes and just show the ZEROes, and give us a spoon full of sugar to help the medicine go down, it would be in the most delightful way!

livestrong & wear yellow; the truth is out there; it may not be true, but accurate, Dan Rather; bababooey to you all!

by icecoldmo on Jun 12, 2006 1:02 PM EDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Creepy promotions
I thought the radio performance by Schulte and CandyMan was strange, not creepy, but strange. Candiotti actually asked the kid in their booth, a 10-year-old from Ahwatukee who plays Little League, something about what he thought a knucleball looked like. I almost spit out my Sunny Delight in laughter.

by micmac99 on Jun 12, 2006 1:32 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Joey, do you like movies about gladiators?
I've actually been fairly impressed with Candiotti this year. But, really: I find any interaction like this between adults and kids on TV usually tends to have a creepy edge to it.

by Jim McLennan on Jun 13, 2006 4:02 AM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Candyman
The funniest thing I've heard the guy say came during the Manatee's "start" against the Mets.  He actually said that Russ hadn't given up more than 4 runs in any of his starts.  No sh*t!  He can't get out of the 3 inning in his starts!  I thought Brennaman said some nonsensical things, but, damn!

by azshadowwalker on Jun 13, 2006 2:52 AM EDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

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