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Gameday Thread, #62: 6/10 vs Mets

Alay Soler, RHP (1-1, 5.00)
Brandon Webb, RHP (8-0, 2.14)

Was chatting to npineda yesterday, and he was - with a certain amount of schadenfreude - pointing out how the D'backs went 4-0 when he was covering, but are 0-5 since I came back. I was almost tempted to let him weave his magic today...until I remembered we've got a Webb start on our hands. This will be the acid test of the curse, which began with a loss in a Webb start, for the opener of the homestand on Monday - y'know, back in the golden age when Grimsley was "veteran presence" rather than "despised stoolie".

So if we lose this one, I'm letting npineda post the Gameday Thread on Sunday, see if that breaks the vicious cycle into which we've sunk. And should that fail, we'll move onto the virgin sacrifices...if I can find one of them in Scottsdale. ;-) But I'm optimistic that won't be necessary, as we showed signs of life in yesterday's game, which suggest we may finally be moving past the Grimsley era. There's no question about it, this has shaken the club badly over the past few days. As Ken Kendrick said:

"Clearly he was a distraction. It's remained a distraction... Our team hasn't played the same since the day this thing happened. You can see it out there."

However, despite this, the fact remain: no-one in the NL West has a better record than the Diamondbacks. We can still draw a line underneath this sorry affair, and get back to playing the kind of baseball which we're capable of playing, without too much damage. A good performance from our starters would be very helpful in this regard, and no-one in the majors is better suited to do that than Webb. We shouldn't underestimate Soler, even if we slapped him around for seven runs in five frames last time out - that Mets offense is a fearsome thing, once it gets rolling. But I reckon today marks the start of the rest of the 2006 season, and a win will hopefully let us move on forward.

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I did no such thing!
That's just disgusting!
"Pepper needs new shorts!"

by npineda on Jun 10, 2006 5:36 PM EDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Let's get a win. Momentum!!!
A Brandon Webb win, and lots of offense within that, may spark a nice long, sustained win streak headed into the All-Star Break and put some distance between us and the Dodgers. I'm starting to sound like a broken record but I believe it.

After the Mets, the Giants come in for a 3-game series on Tuesday. We can sweep the Giants.

Then we go on the road to face the Rangers of the AL West and the Devil Rays in St. Pete. We can sweep the Rays; the Rangers and probably too nstrong of a team to sweep (Showalter's boys!) but 2 of 3 would be fresh!!!!

In fact, we finish June against the fairly competitive AL West: the Angels, Mariners and A's. If we have an excellent showing there, it leads to some important July road series against the Dodgers and the Rockies (hopefully they'll still be mediocre!) leading to the All-Star game. The momentum could wash GrimsleyGate right outta our hair - or remind everyone of 2004. It's the D-Backs choice.

by micmac99 on Jun 10, 2006 6:23 PM EDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

I have hope
Tonight should be a good one with Webby going.  As fearsome as that Mets line-up is, a significant amount of damage is being done via the long ball.  With Webby's penchant for getting the groundball, at least part of that should be mitigated.  Of course, you've still got the amazing contact hitting of Lo Duca, but our offense looked much better yesterday.   I'm going to keep the faith. Here's to a 9th win for Webby!

by azshadowwalker on Jun 10, 2006 7:59 PM EDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Momentum
Since this is the last time the 2 teams will play each other, the D'Backs will need to get some confidence back in the last 2 games ahead of their rematch in the NLCS later this year...

by William K on Jun 10, 2006 8:10 PM EDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

I am going to the game
I just got back from the BOB where I got a ticket to the game and the Gonzo figurine (I will send it to my brother in the Bay Area). My ticket was $12. I almost didn't get it, but I worked overtime this week so I can afford it today.

I will buy a scorecard when I head back down and take my Walkman so I can score the game. When I come back I will post some thoughts on the game and the Chase Field atmosphere. The main patio area was fairly crowded at 4:30 - I think there might be a large crowd on hand tonight, and the Gonzo doll may be a reason.

There will be many Met fans in attendance. About 1 in 10 people I saw had Mets gear on.

by micmac99 on Jun 10, 2006 8:18 PM EDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Sweet!
Have fun with that!  I think there are a lot of people doing the Father's Day thing this weekend, an ex of mine is taking her Dad today (I told her she should be excited to see Webb pitch, she stared blankly).
"Pepper needs new shorts!"

by npineda on Jun 10, 2006 8:24 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

"she stared blankly"
Explains the "ex" part of the equation. :-)

by Jim McLennan on Jun 10, 2006 9:39 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

The D-Backs need a good team song
The Mets song "Meet the Mets" is in my head right now as I prepare to return to the BOB.

That is a catchy little tune, you must admit. There are WAV's of it available on various Met-centric websites.

How come the D-Backs don't have a fight song? One that KTAR and FSN can play before each game? (And no, the "10% power/50% pain" rap song played on the Jumbotron does not cut it!)

by micmac99 on Jun 10, 2006 8:36 PM EDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Ahh ...
Fort Minor - Remember The Name is the song in question, and the math goes a such:

10% Luck
20% Skill
15% Concentrated power of will
5%  Pleasure
50% Pain
    And
100% reason to remember the name

Which adds up to 200% if i'm not mistaken ... Sigh, oh well.

I think there's something to be said for the old East Coast teams having those distintivly, umm ... Old, sounding songs, as was exploreded in the Red Sox centered movie 'Fever Pitch'.  But wouldn't a song like that sound extremely dated in a city like Phoenix?  Even the sun's theme, the techno John Tesh thing with the computer animated map going through the state of AZ ... that feels dated, and I couldn't imagine what a old Rag Time tune would sound like for the D-Backs.

"Pepper needs new shorts!"

by npineda on Jun 10, 2006 8:48 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Should I suggest
  • The Drugs Don't Work - The Verve
  • Waiting for The Man - Velvet Underground
  • The Needle and the Damage Done - Neil Young
  • Drug Drug Druggy - Manic Street Preachers

And didn't The Rolling Stones have song called Jason's Little Helper? Oh, my mistake... :-)

by Jim McLennan on Jun 10, 2006 9:44 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

The Sun City/Sun Lakes crowd...
would LOVE that old timey stuff!!! ; )

But you're right, that ain't gonna fly here! This club is after the 25-40 demo, as they have a lot of disposable bucks to spend and was raised on rock and hip-hop.

by micmac99 on Jun 11, 2006 1:20 AM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Tonight's lineup
  1. C. Counsell ss .284
  2. E. Byrnes cf .302
  3. L. Gonzalez lf .267
  4. C. Tracy 3b .289
  5. C. Jackson 1b .283
  6. S. Green rf .324
  7. J. Estrada c .317
  8. O. Hudson 2b .250
  9. B. Webb p .167
Basically, looks like a full-strength lineup tonight. Go, D'backs!

by Jim McLennan on Jun 10, 2006 9:38 PM EDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Here we go again!!!
Tracy throws one away, then Beltran proceeds to drive in LoDuca....this is really getting annoying!!

by IndyDBack on Jun 10, 2006 9:44 PM EDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Here we go again, v2
Beltran steals third, Wright drives him in...already 2-0 Mets!

by IndyDBack on Jun 10, 2006 9:47 PM EDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Make that 3-0
Valentin doubles in Wright. Three runs, all unearned.

by Jim McLennan on Jun 10, 2006 9:50 PM EDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

WTF is going on???
Now Valentin doubles to get Wright home...is it time for a Gracie Slumpbuster??

by IndyDBack on Jun 10, 2006 9:50 PM EDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

wow...
even our Webb is feeling the aftereffects.
"They call me the princess of third base" -- Chad Tracy

by Mr. Philosophical on Jun 10, 2006 9:52 PM EDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Anyone else ...
Feel like a KC fan lately?
"Pepper needs new shorts!"

by npineda on Jun 10, 2006 9:53 PM EDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

...whew....
Byrnes was very close to losing that liner -  - 29 pitches for Webb, 3 unearned runs in the first.

by IndyDBack on Jun 10, 2006 9:54 PM EDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

no offense.
what so ever.
"They call me the princess of third base" -- Chad Tracy

by Mr. Philosophical on Jun 10, 2006 9:58 PM EDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

1-2-3
. I bet we are gonna see alot of those. Turning point for our season.
"They call me the princess of third base" -- Chad Tracy

by Mr. Philosophical on Jun 10, 2006 9:59 PM EDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

That is the real
Webb. Jeez. Can we score some runs now?!
"They call me the princess of third base" -- Chad Tracy

by Mr. Philosophical on Jun 10, 2006 10:04 PM EDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

I hate this
This is so horrible.
"They call me the princess of third base" -- Chad Tracy

by Mr. Philosophical on Jun 10, 2006 10:07 PM EDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

A Base Runner!
Sweet Jesus, a Base Runner!!!
"Pepper needs new shorts!"

by npineda on Jun 10, 2006 10:12 PM EDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Nevermind ...
God damn you, Shawn Green ...
"Pepper needs new shorts!"

by npineda on Jun 10, 2006 10:12 PM EDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

So much for seeing some offense before work!
Off to work the friendly skies - - someone get this offense in gear!!

by IndyDBack on Jun 10, 2006 10:16 PM EDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Webb
Besides the 3 UER, he is having a great game.
"They call me the princess of third base" -- Chad Tracy

by Mr. Philosophical on Jun 10, 2006 10:20 PM EDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Lets go offense!
Avoid the lost of the series!
"They call me the princess of third base" -- Chad Tracy

by Mr. Philosophical on Jun 10, 2006 10:20 PM EDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

HudsoN!
Doubles! COME ON!!!!
"They call me the princess of third base" -- Chad Tracy

by Mr. Philosophical on Jun 10, 2006 10:23 PM EDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

2 mis calls
Reyes wasnt on base to get WEbb out and Hudson was safe.
"They call me the princess of third base" -- Chad Tracy

by Mr. Philosophical on Jun 10, 2006 10:28 PM EDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Oh, and one more thing...
Hudson was SAFE!!! He got his hand on the base before the tag, not to mention that the idiot ump had a terrible angle to see the play!!

by IndyDBack on Jun 10, 2006 10:28 PM EDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Counsell
steals another base.
"They call me the princess of third base" -- Chad Tracy

by Mr. Philosophical on Jun 10, 2006 10:29 PM EDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

men
on first and second. Suicide? or miracle?

Gonzo is up.

"They call me the princess of third base" -- Chad Tracy

by Mr. Philosophical on Jun 10, 2006 10:31 PM EDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Suicide it is
"They call me the princess of third base" -- Chad Tracy

by Mr. Philosophical on Jun 10, 2006 10:33 PM EDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Good news!
Colorodo is trouncing on LA ...
"Pepper needs new shorts!"

by npineda on Jun 10, 2006 10:34 PM EDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Worrying sign?
Only two ground-outs for Webb today, to four air-outs. Five K's though.

by Jim McLennan on Jun 10, 2006 10:40 PM EDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Worrying Sign of Frustration
Wouldn't you be upset if your bread and butter is getting whiffed around, and your offense is sputtering?  There is only so much you can do on your own ...
"Pepper needs new shorts!"

by npineda on Jun 10, 2006 10:41 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

We are roadkill
just like god-damn rabbits.
"They call me the princess of third base" -- Chad Tracy

by Mr. Philosophical on Jun 10, 2006 10:42 PM EDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Green
is not Clutch anymore.
"They call me the princess of third base" -- Chad Tracy

by Mr. Philosophical on Jun 10, 2006 10:46 PM EDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Put it on the document
2nd time he lost the name.
"They call me the princess of third base" -- Chad Tracy

by Mr. Philosophical on Jun 10, 2006 10:46 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

J-Strada
he should be the one swinger
"They call me the princess of third base" -- Chad Tracy

by Mr. Philosophical on Jun 10, 2006 10:47 PM EDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Here on MSN
They have up a graphic

last 8 games at Chase:

Mets 64 Diamondbacks 18

They swept us last year too.

The AFLAC quiz is "what is the record for number of road wins against the same team?" Obviously higher than 8, which is what they have on us now.

Let's not let them insult us like this.

This game is early and Soler is slipping from his strength. Webb is getting strikeouts with his sinker not as low as it should be.

All signs point to a comeback.

by andrewinnewyork on Jun 10, 2006 10:47 PM EDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Webb
he should be screaming. Score Runs, or TRADE ME
"They call me the princess of third base" -- Chad Tracy

by Mr. Philosophical on Jun 10, 2006 10:50 PM EDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Sigh ...
Tell me about it ...
"Pepper needs new shorts!"

by npineda on Jun 10, 2006 10:51 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Mets Road Record Quiz Answer
10 wins against the Reds 1985-6. If they win here today and tomorrow, they tie that.

Again, let's not let that happen.

by andrewinnewyork on Jun 10, 2006 10:51 PM EDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

ground balls
webb is getting them now -- he's 8-0 so he can't complain too much about run support. He should get some any inning though, now.

by andrewinnewyork on Jun 10, 2006 10:52 PM EDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

He should be
10-0.
"They call me the princess of third base" -- Chad Tracy

by Mr. Philosophical on Jun 10, 2006 10:54 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Do you think
we need another power bat?
"They call me the princess of third base" -- Chad Tracy

by Mr. Philosophical on Jun 10, 2006 10:54 PM EDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Shutdown
We need to be reformatted.
"They call me the princess of third base" -- Chad Tracy

by Mr. Philosophical on Jun 10, 2006 10:55 PM EDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

2 outs
damit.
"They call me the princess of third base" -- Chad Tracy

by Mr. Philosophical on Jun 10, 2006 10:55 PM EDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Twice through the order
And Soler is on a one-hitter: we are 1-for-15 so far.

by Jim McLennan on Jun 10, 2006 10:55 PM EDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

1-2-3 inning
I can only laugh at this performance. Looking for another sweep.
"They call me the princess of third base" -- Chad Tracy

by Mr. Philosophical on Jun 10, 2006 10:56 PM EDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Call up Drew please
Counsell is mighty on a slump.
"They call me the princess of third base" -- Chad Tracy

by Mr. Philosophical on Jun 10, 2006 10:57 PM EDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

And now...
An error by Jackson. Oh, hold my aching sides...

by Jim McLennan on Jun 10, 2006 11:00 PM EDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

A DP
That is a sign. I swear it.
"They call me the princess of third base" -- Chad Tracy

by Mr. Philosophical on Jun 10, 2006 11:01 PM EDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

I hope you're right...
Mind you, a sign of WHAT, you didn't say. Very cunning, Mr. VIII...

by Jim McLennan on Jun 10, 2006 11:02 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

My bad
I thought a DP would help this team. because of the fact that the D-backs were on fire when Dp were made. Now they are play worse than the Royals
"They call me the princess of third base" -- Chad Tracy

by Mr. Philosophical on Jun 10, 2006 11:06 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

unwatchable...
This team is unwatchable right now.  Melvin needs to do something drastic.  Make every player who hangs an O-Fer where a pink tutu or something... Jim - we need a D-Backs hittin' drinking game.

by johngordonma on Jun 10, 2006 11:05 PM EDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

NVM
We suck. No We suck at sucking.
"They call me the princess of third base" -- Chad Tracy

by Mr. Philosophical on Jun 10, 2006 11:05 PM EDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

I'm going to lunch ...
Let's see some good things happen, please?
"Pepper needs new shorts!"

by npineda on Jun 10, 2006 11:06 PM EDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Seven pitch inning for Solay
  • Byrnes, on a 2-0 count
  • Gonzalez, on a 1-0 count
  • Tracy, on a 1-0 count

Make the guy prove he can throw strikes, maybe?

by Jim McLennan on Jun 10, 2006 11:07 PM EDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

BOOOOOOOOOOO
"They call me the princess of third base" -- Chad Tracy

by Mr. Philosophical on Jun 10, 2006 11:08 PM EDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

What happen to the bird?
"They call me the princess of third base" -- Chad Tracy

by Mr. Philosophical on Jun 10, 2006 11:13 PM EDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

HAHAAHAA
We Suck.
"They call me the princess of third base" -- Chad Tracy

by Mr. Philosophical on Jun 10, 2006 11:17 PM EDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Next inning
 I predict we go 1-2-3 and the 9th is that we get teh bases juiced with no outs then wind up losing because we cant score.
"They call me the princess of third base" -- Chad Tracy

by Mr. Philosophical on Jun 10, 2006 11:18 PM EDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Webb is like last year clemens
He is dominating. But no run support.
"They call me the princess of third base" -- Chad Tracy

by Mr. Philosophical on Jun 10, 2006 11:20 PM EDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

*fake laugh
"They call me the princess of third base" -- Chad Tracy

by Mr. Philosophical on Jun 10, 2006 11:21 PM EDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

watching Webb Pitch
is just amazing. He is our MVP, CY and anything else.
"They call me the princess of third base" -- Chad Tracy

by Mr. Philosophical on Jun 10, 2006 11:23 PM EDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

4-0
We suck. Put a fork in us. Because we are done.
"They call me the princess of third base" -- Chad Tracy

by Mr. Philosophical on Jun 10, 2006 11:24 PM EDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Even the ball
is rejecting us.
"They call me the princess of third base" -- Chad Tracy

by Mr. Philosophical on Jun 10, 2006 11:25 PM EDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Webb is being heroic
Eight innings, one earned run and 9 K's. However, the offense...

by Jim McLennan on Jun 10, 2006 11:28 PM EDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Which is worse?
Letting El Duque get a complete game, and come within one out of a shutout, or being one-hit by a pitcher with three career appearances in the majors before today?

Discuss...

by Jim McLennan on Jun 10, 2006 11:31 PM EDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Make that two hit
Pinch hitter DaVanon doubles to center. Let's see what the top of our order can do: likely not much, given slots one through five are 0-for-12 today.

by Jim McLennan on Jun 10, 2006 11:33 PM EDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

both
i choose both.  Damn you Grimsley.
"They call me the princess of third base" -- Chad Tracy

by Mr. Philosophical on Jun 10, 2006 11:35 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

WHAT DID I SAY!
HA
"They call me the princess of third base" -- Chad Tracy

by Mr. Philosophical on Jun 10, 2006 11:36 PM EDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

2-for-26
I say again, 2-for-26. I would not be astonished if Pedro no-hits or perfectos us tomorrow.

by Jim McLennan on Jun 10, 2006 11:38 PM EDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Thanks Jim
Just put that on me before I have to do a blog day ... thanks :P
"Pepper needs new shorts!"

by npineda on Jun 10, 2006 11:42 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Head + Wall
Um, on the bright side, Webb's got his ERA down to 2.06.  

On the other hand, I wish our offense was hitting .206.

by kishi on Jun 10, 2006 11:43 PM EDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Dodgers lost
So we're still tied in first, even if we, ah, don't score four runs this inning.

by Jim McLennan on Jun 10, 2006 11:50 PM EDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Underwear Goes Inside The Pants
We need some crazy superstious things to get this streak off ... Or we need Mark Grace to sleep with the ugliest girl in all of Apache Junction ...
"Pepper needs new shorts!"

by npineda on Jun 10, 2006 11:50 PM EDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Better yet
Just all of Apache Junction...

by Jim McLennan on Jun 10, 2006 11:55 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

I hand tomorrow over to Mr.Pineda
He's only got to break the streak with Russ Ortiz. Facing Pedro Martinez. Piece of cake. ;-)

by Jim McLennan on Jun 10, 2006 11:56 PM EDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Pedro -v- Ortiz???
NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!!!

I was hoping maybe I would check in from work and see another miraculous comeback tonight - - six losses in a row, and Ortiz pitches tomorrow?!

Damn.

by IndyDBack on Jun 11, 2006 12:13 AM EDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Thirstbuster!!!!!!
OK, I just got back from the game. Here are some random thoughts.

1. If it wasn't for the first inning I might still be there by now. 3 unearned runs in the first - then Webby settles down and notches (I believe) 9 K's. Lyon strikes out Soler in the 9th to get a team strikeout of 10 which qualifies everyone for a ticket redeemable for the 44oz. drink at Circle K.

1a. Soler a bad pitcher? He had two K's and made everyone hit line drive balls that the Mets infielders and outfielders routinely caught. The Mets infield is as good as I've seen and is every bit the equal of ours.

  1. Announced attendance 35,150. Fairly good crowd, very tough to get Diamondback crowds cheering. Mets fans tried here and there to cheer "Let's Go Mets" but were always booed by the home fans.
  2. No offense but pretty good defense. Great catch by Byrnsie in the 8th - but a run still scored. I heard the post game comments on KTAR, I think it was Green, basically saying the team is trying hard to get the offense started and it ain't workin'.
  3. I had the radio on the whole game and drowned out the Annoying Blonde. Woo Hoo!
  4. First time I saw the Taco Bell Race (the burrito won, Taco's towel almost came off and the big cup of pepsi was slow as molasses). I'll take the Milwaukee sausages any day of the week.
I wish we had won and I wish it didn't cost $12!!! Including $8.75 for Diamond Dog and Mountain Dew.

by micmac99 on Jun 11, 2006 12:50 AM EDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

correction
That $8.75 was in addition to the ticket price

by micmac99 on Jun 11, 2006 12:51 AM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

another correction
I think the great Byrnes catch I was thinking of was in the first to rob Endy Chavez. The ball was hit very hard and deep and Byrnes had to run hard and make a Willie Mays-like catch.

by micmac99 on Jun 11, 2006 1:25 AM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

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