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The Johnson arms race

It's looking as if the Yankees are interested mostly in Diamondback pitchers for Randy Johnson. Specific names are hard to come by, but from Sports Illustrated [hey, it does have good articles sometimes, y'know... :-)]:

The Yankees have shown interest in several young pitchers, including Micah Owings, Ross Ohlendorf, Brandon Medders, Luis Vizcaino and Dana Eveland, who was just acquired in their six-player trade with Milwaukee that also brought them Doug Davis. However, to this point Arizona, which is stocked with young talent, has balked at the combinations the Yankees have requested.

Certainly, I'd want to keep most of those pitchers: of the names mentioned, I don't know much about Ohlendorf. He went 10-8 in Tennessee, with an ERA of 3.29, and an excellent K:BB ratio of 125:29. That got Ohlendorf a late call-up to Tucson and made one start there, allowing one run over five innings, so I'm guessing he would probably be scheduled for the Sidewinders rotation this season. John Sickels rated Ohlendorf as the #20 Diamondbacks' prospect in his rankings, calling him "a sleeper who throws strikes", which made him the #7 pitcher, behind Owings, Brett Anderson, Nippert, Brooks Brown, Matt Torra and Steven Jackson.

The good thing is, I would tend to think the Yankees need to trade Johnson more than we need to have him. It's difficult to see how they can even speculate about entering the bidding for Zito or Clemens, when they already have six starters on their roster. [along with RJ, there's Mussina, Pettite, Igawa, Pavano and Wang. Hey, is it too late to ask for the last-named? :-)] Interesting quote from Randy's agent: "We haven't discussed it, to be honest. This idea that Randy doesn't want to come back, that's not exactly true. I'm not aware of anything coming from our side that would force this. Whatever comes down, comes down, but it's not because Randy has demanded it or because we're participating in the process." I believe he does have a full no-trade clause, so there definitely will have to be participation before anything happens.

Ironically, if we got Johnson, we wouldn't have to pay him $16m, even at full price, since $1.5m is apparently deferred until 2010. Heck, we can just add it to the debt, since reports say we still owe him $40m from his last stint here, part of the deferred salary lump that we're paying off. But there's an interesting point brought up by Mister T in the comments: would Johnson be happy being the #2 in Arizona, behind reigning Cy Young winner, Brandon Webb? He was the Opening Day starter last season for the Yankees (as they thrashed Barry Zito, incidentally!). Does he have the humility to watch Webb, with fifteen fewer years major-league experience, take that spot? Or will it eat away at him? He was never regarded as a great clubhouse presence to begin with, and with the young team we have here, that could be a crucial issue.

It hasn't stopped Joseph Reaves in the Republic from what can only be described as going off on one: "Unit back to Arizona? Just do it." I note that the story includes twenty-six consecutive paragraphs of two lines or less, even on my crappy 800x600 screen. It may be the worst example of baseball writing I've seen all year, both in style and (lack of) content. Mind you, Reaves' affiliations and loyalty are well-known not to be with the Diamondbacks, so in this role he may be operating as some kind of fifth-columnist. Or, perhaps more accurately, fifth-rate columnist...

Of course, the entire trade still remains in the world of speculation, not least since Yankees GM Brian Cashman has astutely brought in the other NL West teams, in an effort to increase the return he gets. The same story quoted above reckons the Padres are the most likely destination for Johnson, with Scott Linebrink the reliever coveted by New York. But it then adds, "The Dodgers' aggressive GM, Ned Colletti, already has signed Jason Schmidt for the front of his rotation and his interest may be in part to keep Johnson away from the division-rival Padres." As with Mark Mulder, the Diamondbacks do have home-town advantage, but as there, that might not be enough. I'd be as happy to see a divisional rival overpay for Johnson, as I would to see us get him at the right price. But one wonders how genuine the other teams' interest really is? Let's see what their blogs say...

Gaslamp Ball seem to be suffering from an overdose of festive spirit, and haven't mentioned the reports yet. So we turn to Ducksnorts, who point out the Padres already traded an aging leftie (Wells) away: "If they insist on sticking an ancient left-hander at the back of the rotation, why not work something out with the guy they already gave up something to get?" That's a good point, and Geoff, like me, would be happy to see a rival get screwed in the trade. Similarly, True Blue LA says, "This is almost certainly nonsense. The Dodgers already have eight starters, a full 25 man roster, and a good sized payroll. While Randy Johnson would probably improve the Dodgers in 2007, it's not worth the loss in personnel for what wouldn't be that big of a jump in performance." It sould like this is all Cashman trying to get Arizona to overpay: I trust Josh Byrnes won't bite.

In non-grumpy leftie news, Baseball Digest Daily listed their top 100 prospects over the festive season, and the Diamondbacks were very well represented, with seven players selected. Better yet were our elite prospects, as we placed three men in the top twenty: #6, Chris Young; #7, Justin Upton; and #17, Carlos Gonzalez. Miguel Montero, Alberto Callaspo, Micah Owings and Chris Carter all also made the top hundred, at #73, #89, #95 and #99 respectively.

Rob McQuown points out regarding Upton, "this is a guy who was the youngest player in his league, played a crucial defensive position, and hit 19 points better than average, got on base 28 points better, and slugged 63 points better! Only the tough park in South Bend, situated in the tough Midwest league, hide the fact that Upton had an excellent season." Hmm, I would counter that 19 BA points above average does not make someone the #7 prospect in all baseball... But he drools fulsomely over Young: "vaults him from the range of stats that Mike Cameron has put up...to that of Jim Edmonds. Playing in Arizona, expect Chris Young to put up some simply amazing numbers in his career," and adds, "Expect to hear people discussing Quentin-Young-Upton as the best outfield in the NL in 2009." It's great to hear this kind of fulsome praise from neutral observers.

On a personal note, did indeed get out of work about 90 minutes early on Xmas Day. Mind you, can't say it was put to productive use. I played Guitar Hero last night for the first time, and can entirely see why Astros' pitcher Joel Zumaya had to be barred from playing it, since it was causing him arm problems. For my first effort, I dealt credibly with Smoke on the Water, but let's just say that the subsequent attempt at Ace of Spades proved me a one-hit wonder, and would have had Motorhead's Lemmy turning in his grave. [Not that he's dead yet, as far as I know!] But addictive? Hell, yeah. I think video-games would have the potential to be an enormous waste of time, if I let them...

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Ronald Blum of the AP reports that the D-backs have confirmed interest.  Blum also reports that The Padres and The Giants have contacted The Yanks about Johnson.  (It's funny that we will be able to hear the words 'Yank' And 'Johnson' in the same sentence in public media so prominently for awhile :) )

1st and 10, the only good thing to come out of ESPN 2's Cold Pizza, had some commentary on this being the best move for Arizona to get more people in the stadium every 5 days.  I can't argue with that logic, I would be happy to know that 1-4 (Webb, Johnson, Hernandez and Davis) would be a decent pitching match up every night.

Something about Runners On Base: Wouldn't the improved Arizona Defense seem a better fit for Johnson in this situation?  Something I thought of.

Sorry so scattered, i'm a work.

"Pepper needs new shorts!"

by npineda on Dec 26, 2006 8:46 PM EST reply reply actions actions   0 recs

The appeal of Johnson
[ this being the best move for Arizona to get more people in the stadium every 5 days. ]

I think someone looked into this, and Johnson didn't have as much direct effect on the attendance as you might imagine. I think there was one case I remember where he was facing Glavine or someone like that: nine Cy Youngs or something like that. But the crowd was actually smaller than average.

However, what it probably would do is increase awareness of and interest in the Diamondbacks generally, which would increase attendance overall - a rising tide floats all boats, as they say...

by Jim McLennan on Dec 26, 2006 11:59 PM EST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Aggreed from a 'Smart' Fan Point, But ..
This is gonna sound weird, but when I told my mom about this, it was the most excited she was about the D-Backs since she got pissy about Gonzo not getting resigned.  As long and demanding most of us here recognize 2 months of Spring Training plus 162 games can be, the casual fan sometimes can only latch onto distant memories.  I don't think it hurts to say to the community 'We have cap room, we have a sense of history, and we are not Tampa Bay or Kansas City'.

Another reason I wouldn't mind seeing it you automatically have a free post day about the statistical differences between Randy Johnson pitching in Purple and Turquoise vs. Senora Red and Black :).

"Pepper needs new shorts!"

by npineda on Dec 27, 2006 5:28 AM EST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Trade
Give Vizcaino, Doug Davis, and En-Gon for Randy Johnson
"very cunning Mr. *VIII*" -- Jim

by Mr. Philosophical on Dec 26, 2006 9:36 PM EST reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Hate to rain on the parade,
We keep reading on how deep and talented our farm ssytem is.  Why in the world would we blow our wad for a well past his prime proven veteran that is NOT healthy?
I'm not that desperate.

by unnamedDBacksfan on Dec 26, 2006 10:21 PM EST reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Simple answer is...
We can't play everyone. The classic case would be the outfield, where we have Upton and Young both playing CF. Sure, we could shift one to LF - but what, then, of Carlos Gonzalez? With regard to pitching, we have plenty of back of the rotation starters - it'd be better to convert a couple of those, easily replaceable players, into someone who can genuinely improve our pitching staff.

Of course, the key question is then, what pitchers do we want to lose, and would Johnson really improve our staff? That's why Josh Byrnes gets paid lots of money. :-)

by Jim McLennan on Dec 26, 2006 11:55 PM EST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Guitar Hero is...
undoubtedly one of the best things ever made.
In my nightmares, I see Brian Bruney...make it stop...

by Azreous on Dec 26, 2006 10:42 PM EST reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Yes, if by "best" you mean...
"Most devilish creations ever, designed to separate families, destroy relationships, and reduce significantly the amount of meaningful production in everyone's life". :-) Watching someone experienced wield the axe (Bark at the Moon on Medium difficulty), I was alternately impressed by his skill, and disturbed at the effort it must have taken him to get that good! That's time which could have been spent on doing something useful. Er, like writing a blog... Let's just say, I have enough problems getting all the stuff I need to do, done, without that!

by Jim McLennan on Dec 27, 2006 2:00 PM EST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

I don't know about "seperate families"
My wife is as interested in getting ahold of the game as I am.

by kishi on Dec 27, 2006 6:28 PM EST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Funnily enough...
Mrs. SnakePit also seemed more interested that usual. Not that she could be prodded into trying her hand at the time, of course. :-) I think it's the sheer pointlessness of the endeavor that gets me: you become a mindless automaton, responding to colored light patterns. You're not even getting good exercise (Dance Dance Revolution) and you're certainly not learning to play the guitar...

Still, while the logical part of me sneers derisively, my lizard brain wants another shot! :-)

by Jim McLennan on Dec 27, 2006 9:21 PM EST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

The Big Eunuch
Why?  This is the D-backs, looking to the future, not the Giants trotting out the old-timers.

by Just Me on Dec 27, 2006 12:29 PM EST reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Thanks but no thanks
No Big Unit for me.
I just don't see this being a good fit.  If we were on the brink, trying to aim for the WS this year perhaps a one year 43 year old Unit rental might not be a bad idea.  But under the circumstances... no thanks!  Even if we were to "only" take on Randy for $10 mill (and the Yankees would swallow $6), we would still be losing a valuable prospect who might well outpitch the Unit next year (not to mention years to come).
Let's put our resources into something worthwhile.

by johngordonma on Dec 27, 2006 1:47 PM EST reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Does it change the calculation
To imagine converting him to a closer, Smoltz-style? Would he go for it, or does he want to win 300? Does it change his value to the team in terms of money, tickets, sentiment (you never know when a closer may take the mound). Does it affect the injury/age situation?

just asking

by andrewinnewyork on Dec 28, 2006 12:25 AM EST reply reply actions actions   0 recs

A good chuckle
A few weeks back I mentioned how glad I am that I am not a Giants fan.  I just saw this hilarious post on protrade.com on the same topic.  Great stuff, check it out:
http://www.protrade.com/content/DisplayArticle.html?sp=S3ea15ff2-95d4-11db-8e3c-db83d418791f

by johngordonma on Dec 28, 2006 10:24 AM EST reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Priceless
Most amusing. And yeah, there are probably at least twenty teams worse off than the Diamondbacks right now. Let's just hope four of them are in the NL West next year. ;-) We may not be the best team yet, but we do at least have a future - and it's so bright, I gotta wear shades...

by Jim McLennan on Dec 28, 2006 1:14 PM EST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

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