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I trust everyone had a good Thanksgiving. We spent most of yesterday ploughing through the first series of Sleeper Cell, the Showtime series about terrorists in Los Angeles, and the efforts of an FBI undercover officer to reveal their plot. The significance of this to this blog is [SPOILER ALERT!], that said plot involves a three-pronged attack on baseball stadiums in LA, New York (the Yankees, natch) and Washington with phosgene, aimed at killing "150,000" or so. That seems a bit optimistic, given the Nationals only pulled in 26,500 per game last year, 22nd-best in the majors and only about 750 more than Arizona. For maximum body-count they'd have been better off going for St. Louis, which would also have given them a nice East-Middle-West series.

Anyway, it was amusing how the Dodgers wanted nothing to do with the production. While Showtime could get the exterior shots (which are on public land), they couldn't even use the Dodgers logos, and had to fake the inside with a mix of CGI and footage shot at the stadium in Rancho Cucamonga. Not really very convincing, but you have to work with what you can, I guess. Oh, and while I was hoping it might be a Dodgers/D'backs contest, the game in question was the Dodgers vs. the Reds. Seems we don't get any love or coverage, even from terrorist cells. ;-) Still, a good show, almost up there with 24 [though lacking the dramatic revelations], and we set a new record by watching eight hours of it in one day. That'll keep us ticking over until Jack Bauer returns in January.

Otherwise, it was the usual Thanksgiving, of massive over-indulgence in foodstuffs, that left me groaning and trying to find a position in bed that would not apply pressure to my stomach. Nice to chat to a lot of people, including some we've not seen in ages. This included one of SnakePit Jr's friends, who now works at one of the top talent agencies in Hollywood. He told us a story about Brad Pitt, who was there for a morning meeting; they asked if he wanted something to eat, and he asked for a plate of fruit, but no melon. However, the plate brought by the intern included melon, and Pitt turned to the intern and said, "You're fired." No-one quite knew how to react to this - was it a joke? - but the agency owner ended up getting rid of the intern, as if Pitt had ever come back and seen the intern there, there could have been hell to pay. I'd have said this kind of thing only happened in screenplays, but the source here is pretty impeccable.

The big news in AZ was the surprise trade of Johnny Estrada, Claudio Vargas and Greg Aquino to the Brewers today. Estrada getting dealt was, of course, not exactly a shock, but that we also sent two pitchers with him was unexpected, especially including a starting arm. However, Claudio Vargas was no better than our #4 this season, and would likely have lost out there to the younger, cheaper, better Edgar Gonzalez. The first result of this trade is to solidify the front three in the rotation as Webb, Hernandez 2.0, Davis: EdGon now looks like the #4 starter, with the 5th spot filled by whichever one of EnGon, Nippert, Owings, etc. looks best (EnGon may have the edge, being out of options).

I am a little concerned about Doug Davis's potential in Arizona, given his ERA has gone steadily North from 3.39 in 2004, to 4.91 last year - and that's in a neutral ballpark. Plus, at age 31, he isn't getting any younger. If he can rebound to his career average of 4.35, I'd settle for that - walking fewer guys would seem to be the key there, and the fact he's a lefty has got to be part of the reason he was acquired. There's an interesting situation with his contract: this is his last year of arbitration, and one presumes the aim is to lock him up for a bit. Word from Milwaukee is, he was looking for a three-year deal, and the Brewers' reluctance to spend the cash on that, is part of the reason behind the trade.

Dana Eveland is another lefty, who reminds some people of David Wells, and I'm not just talking about the pitching side, since he hits the scales at 240 lbs, despite being only 6'1". No surprise, then, that he has had trouble in the past with weight issues. That said, the stats last year at AAA look decent enough: nineteen starts with an ERA of 2.74, and a K:BB ratio of 110:41. He had a stint in the Brewers bullpen late on, but didn't do so well there, with an 8.13 ERA in 27.2 innings. He is still pretty young, however, having only turned 23 just last month, and he has yet to post an ERA above three at any level of his four-year trip through the minors. This kid has potential, there's no doubt about it, and could be a contender for the #5 rotation spot out of spring training, if he can lay off the Krispy Kremes.

Dave Krynzel is a player who could give me a great deal of trouble in the spelling department. At first, it seems an odd choice to pick a CF prospect, given we are shining Chris Young for a long, glorious tenure at that position, and he is very definitely the least component of this trade, having hit only .231 with seven HR for the Brewers' Triple-A affiliate in 2006. Still, there's no doubting his speed, given that in 2005-06 he stole 47 bases in 59 attempts, and he could be a backup for Young, especially if the touted trade for Eric Byrnes (not least touted by Levski) comes to fruition.

Brew Crew Ball are enthusiastic about the trade, which does give me cause for concern. I mean, didn't they screw us over enough in the Sexson trade? :-) In particular, the following:

The only way in which this deal comes out a net loss for the Brewers is if Eveland immediately comes into his own as a starter. If he does, it's the reverse of the Richie Sexson trade--we're getting lots of value from Chris Capuano and will continue to do so. Eveland could come back to haunt us, but on the other hand, he's shown very little at the big-league level yet, so it's a reasonable gamble. Long story short: net win for the Brewers. Krynzel has no value on this team, Eveland wasn't someone we could confidently write into our 2007 plans, and Davis would've been nice to have around, but we would've lost him after the end of the season. Vargas will probably do just as well as Davis did, we get a high-upside arm for the bullpen, and we have two or three guys now who are legitimate major-league starting catchers. I like it.

I do think they are over-looking a couple of things, not least the fact that Estrada's OPS is a regression waiting to happen. His 2006 figure of .746 is almost 60 points above the career figure of .687, though it's conceivable the likely drop in his batting average could be balanced by an increase in walks, since they will hardly be any fewer in number than they were last season. But he also moves from a hitter-friendly park to a neutral one, which will hurt. That will also make Vargas look better, and based purely on last year's figures, he would be a cheaper, younger, better version of Davis. On the other hand, don't forget, less than 18 months ago, he was put on waivers by Washington, so getting anything for him counts as a successful reclamation project. I'm guessing the Brewers looked at his hefty splits (road ERA = 4.12, home ERA = 5.60, and an overall figure in 29 Chase starts of 5.25) and thought he'd do better away from Phoenix.

The enigma is Greg Aquino, who was the longest-serving member of the Diamondbacks organization - signed by Arizona all the way back on November 8th, 1995 as a 17-year old. His ERA+ over the past three years is 93, mostly thanks to a horrid 2005, but he had a decent 4.47 ERA last season. That was probably a bit lucky, since his WHIP was a hefty 1.614. He seems like your typically fungible reliever, and while I'm kinda sorry to see such a loyal player get disposed of, he'll be easily replaced, just as Cormier and Villarreal were last season. Incidentally, that now makes Jose Valverde the "organizational veteran", having signed as a minor-league free agent on January 31st, 1997.

Will see how it works out, but I think it's a decent haul, given everyone knew we "had" to trade Estrada. We've got one credible middle-of-the-rotation starter, a starting prospect with significant upside, and a CF prospect too. We've lost a catcher who had a career year, so are selling high, and two players who don't seem much more than replacement level, in a back of the rotation starter and a reliever. I doubt this will be the last move of the hot-stove season, however, and I'm keen to see what else Josh Byrnes might have up his sleeve.

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If this is the extent of our offseason deals we are in big trouble.  Pitching a question mark and lots of young players.  It looks like third place to me.

by kylerkenney on Nov 25, 2006 11:03 PM EST reply reply actions actions   0 recs

I like it
I think we sold high on Estrada, which is very good.  I'm not sure what to think of Davis.  He can be very good if he's able to get hitters off balance.  He has a nice cutter with a pretty good change.  He also has the ability to effectively throw into the 100 pitch range, which is nice.

I think Eveland will turn out to be the steal of this trade if someone can perform some Brandon Webb magic on him and get his feel for the strikezone fixed at the major league level.

by nihil67 on Nov 25, 2006 11:03 PM EST reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Vargas does not = Davis
The Brew Crew Ball guy said  
" Vargas will probably do just as well as Davis did"

No he won't.  Vargas won't give them as many innings. In 31 games he only pitched 168 innings.  He had a 99 ERA +, which was better than Davis' 91 ERA + last year, but Davis was a bit unlucky with balls in play. (For those interested in those sorts of things, his FIP was half a run lower than his ERA) He has to get his walks back down though, I agree with that 100%

There is the potential for Vargas to be as good or  better than Davis, sure.....but I don't think you can just take it for granted and say he "probably" will.

by shoewizard on Nov 26, 2006 1:10 AM EST reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Davis walks ...
With how high Davis walks where, I wonder if we are looking at the chance of a Double Gold Glove combo in our middle infield next year.  Hopefully he's got some good movement, anyone know his arsenel?
"Pepper needs new shorts!"

by npineda on Nov 26, 2006 2:48 AM EST reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Pitches
Mid-80's fastball, cutter, change, above-average and extremely slow curve.

Trivia... Doug Davis is the pitcher who allowed Randy Johnson's only career home run.

by nihil67 on Nov 26, 2006 12:46 PM EST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Davis was
Too expensive for the very tiny improvement over Vargas.  What is it with us in our dealing with Milwaukee?  Do we always feel the need to overpay with them?

by unnamedDBacksfan on Nov 26, 2006 2:55 AM EST reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Wha?
Davis is a vast improvement over Vargas unless you're only going to look at the numbers from last year.  Claudio had no feel for pitching and in turn was a thrower.  Those guys go 5 innings, 6 if you're lucky, because they're just trying to throw the ball by everyone while mixing in a slider or a change every once in a while.  Davis throws every pitch all over the place.  He'll throw his fastball in a range of about 5 mph, while mixing in a cutter that breaks pretty late, a curve that is pretty big and loopy, and an ok change.  When he's in the strikezone, he'll put hitters off balance.  Vargas could never do that.  Davis can effecively go 7 and 8 innings too.  That has value.

Consider also that we traded a guy that a) didn't want to be here and b) had a career year.  Selling high on those guys is a good thing, especially when you have guys like Montero and Snyder already on your team (and getting paid pretty much nothing).

by nihil67 on Nov 26, 2006 12:59 PM EST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

I know what I got
with Vargas..  there is NOTHINg special that sticks out about Davis.  It's like a wash.  So much for selling high on Estrada if this was the best we could pull off...

by unnamedDBacksfan on Nov 26, 2006 3:49 PM EST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Please support
In what ways is this a wash?  Would you call Vargas for Zito a wash?

by nihil67 on Nov 26, 2006 8:28 PM EST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

A wash
The only way Davis and Vargas can be considered close to a wash is by looking just at the 2006 stats and ignoring the actual stuff that both pitchers throw.
2006 was Vargas's first full season in the majors and the 160+ innings are a career high.  Who knows how the MLB hitters will adjust to him in 2007?  At the same time 2006 was a bad year for Davis and he still threw 200+ innings with 16 quality starts with 34 starts (Vargas also had 16 QS in 30 games).
Given Davis's longer track record, I like the chances of Davis rebounding more than Vargas equalling or improving his 2006 numbers.

by William K on Nov 26, 2006 9:47 PM EST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Couple of interesting debates:
Lots of reading in these two, one from each side of the trade [links open in new window...I hope!]: However, according to Nick Piecoro, Krynzel doesn't have any options left, so needs to be put on the 25-man roster or released. He seems a Luis Terrero type - all speed - so this would appear strongly to point to an Eric Byrnes trade being next up, with DaVanon and Krynzel occupying the backup outfield slots.

That piece also has a quote from Johnny E: "I talked with Josh and he apologized, but it had nothing to do with him. Things just didn't work out. There's no hard feelings." Emphasis added. Hmmmm: if it wasn't JB, was it Melvin? Or the ownership? Enquiring minds want to know...

With regard to the Vargas/Davis comparisons, here's a comparison between two lefty pitchers over the last three years, from Daron Sutton's blog. Who'd you want?

#1: 34-34, 633.1 IP, 274 BB, 533 K, 4.04 ERA, .249 OBA
#2: 41-34, 662.1 IP, 269 BB, 485 K, 4.05 ERA, .247 OBA

Not much difference, except a few more wins for #2. However, #1 is Doug Davis, #2 is...Barry Zito, who will probably get $15m/yr from the Yankees. Obviously, Zito pitches in the AL, so his figures are better, but you'd be hard-pushed to argue they were that much better. As Shoewizard pointed out, when you exclude fielding, Davis has been better than his ERA - and with Hudson and Drew up the middle, Arizona should be able to help that next year.

by Jim McLennan on Nov 26, 2006 1:38 PM EST reply reply actions actions   0 recs

One other thought
Look at what we paid for Vargas and Estrada. The former was picked up off the waiver wire, and the later was a swap for two mid-level relievers, Cormier and Villarreal. Even discounting Krynzel entirely, in less than a year, we've parlayed three mid-level relievers into two left-handed starters, in the shape of a #3 and a young prospect with plenty of upside. Good work, I'd say, on the "Buy low, sell high" front...

by Jim McLennan on Nov 26, 2006 11:54 PM EST reply reply actions actions   0 recs

the one thing
The only thing I worry about in this deal is our ability to keep Davis longer then this coming season.  The planned inability, perhaps, the entire reason that Eveland was included in the deal?  Anyone have a guess as to what kind of contract Davis would be looking for right now?  My personal guess is 6 mil for 3 or 4 years.

by nihil67 on Nov 27, 2006 9:01 AM EST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Good point...
Think I'll talk about that a bit in today's entry...

by Jim McLennan on Nov 27, 2006 11:36 AM EST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

sleeper cell
btw the new season starts Dec 10th

(it is really a nice show, not just action and boom boom)

by kalum on Nov 27, 2006 8:58 AM EST reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Can't wait...
Yeah, been seeing the trailers for it on Showtime - that was why we decided to watch Season 1 over the Thanksgiving weekend. When it was originally on, we somehow missed the 2-hour finale, and never found it again. Original plan was to watch the series over the four-day weekend, but after doing two hours Thanksgiving night, we ploughed through the remaining eight on Friday!

Difficult to say if we prefer Sleeper Cell or 24. I think SC is probably rather more realistic, but that's a bit of a double-edged sword. We enjoy the excesses of Jack Bauer in a Bond-ian kind of way...

by Jim McLennan on Nov 27, 2006 11:32 AM EST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Davis' price tag
It will probably take a minimum of 7 million per year to sign him to a 3 yr deal, and more likely 8 million....with the outside possibility it takes even more than that.

No way he signs for as cheaply as 6 million per year.

If he would sign for 3/18 or 3/21, then JB should probably sign him now. If it takes more than that, they should wait and see how he does.

by shoewizard on Nov 27, 2006 11:41 AM EST reply reply actions actions   0 recs

My feeling
My thought is that if we're going to sign him long term, you have to do it before Zito signs.  Zito cashing in at $10-$15 mil a year is going to drive Davis' price tag up (too far).  Do it before and you can probably keep the price somewhat low.  It wouldn't surprise me if he's looking in the 7 or 8 range right now.  Hell, he's probably asking for 10.  I would if I was him.  It's going to take a good negotiator to point out that he's been in a decline for a few years and hope that drives the price down a little.  This is all assuming that JB even wants him long term.  I wouldn't be shocked if he doesn't.

by nihil67 on Nov 27, 2006 12:45 PM EST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Oooh...
Welcome, StuckinNH; appreciate the post. "I think a reasonable case can be made that Chris Young is the most valuable prospect in baseball." Wow. Amazed to see a projected OPS of .842 with 21 HR in 2007? If that comes true, compare it to Eric Byrnes' OPS of .795; hell, even Gary Matthews Jr. was barely higher (.866), and he got a $10m/yr contract from the Angels. Or Juan Pierre (.718 - though his value lies somewhat in the stolen base) for almost $9m/yr. As the article says, "There's a good chance Chris Young outperforms both of those guys in 2007 for about one-twentieth of the salary." Roll on Opening Day!

by Jim McLennan on Nov 27, 2006 1:15 PM EST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

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