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Diamondbacks All-Time Top 10. #1: Randy Johnson


Randy Johnson

Acquired: 12/10/1998. Signed as a Free Agent with the Arizona Diamondbacks.
Career with AZ: 103-49, 2.65 ERA
Best year 2002: 24-5, 2.32 ERA
Records: Franchise career leader in - really deep breath - ERA, wins, IP, K's, starts, complete games, shutouts (as many as every other pitcher put together), losses, hit batters. Single-season leader in ERA (the top five entries), wins, K's (top four), complete games (top three), shutouts and hit batters.
Other facts: Between 1993 and 2002, Johnson's record in September games was 28-1, with a 2.01 ERA in 39 appearances.
Biggest moment: Pitching the sole no-hitter in franchise history - a perfect game, to boot.
Departed: 1/11/2005. Traded by the Arizona Diamondbacks to the New York Yankees for Javier Vazquez, Brad Halsey, Dioner Navarro, and cash.

Going by our poll results, there'll be little argument about this: by the biggest landslide in SnakePit history (84% of votes at time of writing), the greatest player to wear a Diamondback uniform ever is Randall David Johnson - sorry to disappoint you, Robby Hammock. I can't argue with the popular consensus here at all: the Big Unit is the top of the heap when it comes to the players we've seen in Arizona.

Indeed, Johnson may be the most dominating left-handed pitcher in history, with 4300+ strikeouts: only Steve Carlton comes within fifteen hundred of that total. Certainly, in our time, Johnson rules. The only other active leftie with a season in the all-time top 100 for ERA+ is Johan Santana, whose 2004 performance comes in at #84. Johnson appears on the list five times - 1995, 1997, 1999, 2001 and 2002 - three of them coming in Arizona.

And, I think it's no coincidence that those, and only those, are our playoff seasons: as Johnson went, so did the Diamondbacks, more or less. He arrived after a Jekyll and Hyde season in 1998: he opened by going 9-10, 4.33 ERA in Seattle, but then went 10-1 in Houston, with an amazing 1.28 ERA over the last three months. However, they didn't renew him, as Johnson came to the desert as a free agent on a 4-year, $53m contract.

This form extended into 1999, where he won the NL Cy Young award, going 17-9 - and that record despite a series of four starts where we scored a total of zero runs, and only six hits. 2000 brought a 19-7 record, along with a 2.64 ERA, enough to win him another Cy Young, and Johnson also notched his 3,000th strikeout in September. He even managed a five-game hitting streak.

2001 brought an astonishing 372 K's (13.4 per nine innings, a major-league record), a number reached only twice since the 1880's. He fanned twenty against the Reds on May 8, and added 16 out of the bullpen on July 19, in a contest at Qualcomm Stadium that was held over when the lights blew up the night before. He only lost once in his last eighteen starts.

But it was the post-season where Johnson stood tall. Whispers over his "clutchness" abounded, and he took the loss in his division series start vs. St. Louis. But the rest of the way, he went 5-0 with a 1.08 ERA, and 38 K's in 33.1 innings, becoming the first five-game winner in post-season history, and the first to win three World Series games since Mickey Lolich in 1968. His appearance out of the bullpen in game seven, after winning game six, is the stuff of AZ legend.

If anything, 2002 saw him even more dominant, not just taking home his fourth straight Cy Young (yawn!), but doing so on a unanimous vote. He set a franchise-record for wins with 24, and won the triple crown of ERA, wins and K's, the first National League pitcher to do so since Doc Gooden in 1985. Again, he dominated towards the end, going 11-1 in his last twelve starts, with a 1.31 ERA over 103.1 innings. However, he lost his only post-season start, allowing 10 hits and five earned runs in six innings against the Cardinals.

2003 was a disaster, due to injury. Johnson appeared in only 18 games, the first year since 1996 he started less than thirty. His right knee gave him problems, connected to the cartilage (or lack thereof); this led to two stints on the disabled list as well as surgery which largely removed the cartilage and left Johnson reliant on lubricating injections, like a vintage pickup with a leaky transmission.

Still, the next year saw Johnson back to full health, and he led the league in strikeouts for the ninth time in his career. A 2.60 ERA should have led to another Cy Young, but writers couldn't look past a mediocre 16-14 record, even though the Big Unit alone won more than 30% of all our victories that year, in only 35 starts. He notched his 4,000th K in June and, of course, on May 18th came the crowning glory: a 117-pitch perfect game vs. Atlanta, making Johnson the first 40-year old to do so.

Rumblings had surrounded a deal all year, but with a full no-trade clause, Johnson had the upper hand, and it was made clear that it was going to be the Yankees or nobody. Finally, a little more than six years after it began, the Johnson era ended, with his departure - ironically, for the team against whom he had some of his finest moments, which left many saying, it was probably the only way the Yankees would ever be able to beat him.

Whenever he retires, the Hall of Fame beckons, on the first ballot. The only question is, will it be in a D'backs uniform? Seattle might have a claim: it's arguable that Johnson's best season was 1997 in a Mariners uniform, when he posted a 2.28 ERA in the American league. [The resulting ERA+ of 198 remains the best by any leftie since Ron Guidry posted a 208 for the Yankees in 1978] But the World Series ring, co-MVP and perfect game tilt the balance towards Arizona, in my opinion.

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Randy Johnson?
What?  How can you not hand #1 over to the power-house that is Albie Lopez?  Rigged, I say!

by kishi on Jan 27, 2006 12:42 AM EST reply reply actions actions   0 recs

The only question is...
Where does Johnson stand among the all-time greats?  Let's not talk lefties.  Let's talk pitchers.  He's got to be at least in the top 10.  But top 5?

by johngordonma on Jan 27, 2006 8:55 AM EST reply reply actions actions   0 recs

who's your top 5?
Is he better then any of these guys?  Cy Young... Sandy Koufax... Bob Gibson... Tom Seaver... Walter Johnson... Nolan Ryan... Steve Carlton... Lefty Grove... Christy Mathewson... Warren Spahn... Grover Alexander... Roger Clemens(?)

It's a tough and very opinionated list to write.

by nihil67 on Jan 27, 2006 8:07 PM EST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Well
At least Robby Hammock's in the picture.

Dbacks hat for Randy in the HOF is a given, even with the Seattle performance. This isn't like Clemens in Boston/NYY where there were so many years at the first team compared to the WS at the new one. He played with AZ long enough for that to count as his career.

I like Nihil's list. There are three or four names one could have a good argument about, but it also opens up the whole comparing-between-eras thing. (No one will ever pitch 749 complete games again, for example). RJ's a shoe-in for "top ten in modern era," and maybe "top five in modern era" is a better debate.

by andrewinnewyork on Jan 27, 2006 11:56 PM EST reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Difficult choice...
First of all, we'd have to work out what we mean by "Top 10" - are we, for example, judging by overall career, or how good they were at the top of their game? To me, that makes a big difference. I think Johnson at his best would certainly stand up against Koufax, Gibson, Carlton and Clemens. It's a lot harder to compare against pitchers from a totally different era, because the game has changed so much. How would he fare against Cy Young? That's an interesting question...

by Jim McLennan on Jan 28, 2006 3:28 AM EST reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Career ERA+
As a bit of objective light, here are the top ten in career ERA+ [that's ERA normalized for park factors and compared to league average, which would be 100]
  • 1. Pedro Martinez 166
  • 2. Lefty Grove 148
  • 3. Walter Johnson 146
    Dan Quisenberry
    Hoyt Wilhelm
    Joe Wood
  • 7. Ed Walsh 145
  • 8. Roger Clemens 143
    Jim Devlin
  • 10. Randy Johnson 142
    Addie Joss
    Al Spalding

The others mentioned by Ben come in as follows:
=14, Cy Young 138
=20, Grover (Pete) Alexander 135
=20, Christy Mathewson 135
=31, Sandy Koufax 131
=41, Bob Gibson 127
=41, Tom Seaver 127

Steve Carlton (career ERA 115), Warren Spahn (118) and - perhaps surprisingly - Nolan Ryan (112) don't make the top 100. I wonder if Ryan is over-rated? In a career that went from 1966-1993, Ryan's ERA+ only passed 130 four times: Johnson was there every year from 1993-2002 inclusive. While Nolan's K's were gaudy, he had years like 1976, where he fanned 327, but his ERA of 3.36 was actually worse than the league average...

PS. Andrew, I tidied up your double post and removed your apology. ;-)

by Jim McLennan on Jan 28, 2006 4:47 AM EST reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Thank you Jim
And I think that the gaudy numbers are an indication of how differently the game is played. When pitchers went out and pitched 60+ complete games a season in the dead ball era, they garnered total numbers stats that cannot be matched today.

The roster spot I see RJ competing for on a top-ten list is Spahn's, not only because he's a lefty, but because both overcame high walk totals, and pitched well late in their careers (Spahn's most wins and 3rd best ERA came in 1963 when he was 42 years old). I think on the evidence right now, Spahn gets the nod.

I also think you have to consider the whole career and not how good they were at the top of their game, or Don Larsen would be the consensus best pitcher in history. I agree though that we ought to try to minimize the effect of outling years at the beginning or end of careers (Grover Alexander's 9.14 ERA in 1930 comes to mind)

by andrewinnewyork on Jan 28, 2006 1:02 PM EST reply reply actions actions   0 recs

And then there's Pedro...
It was only while looking at his stats that I realised quite how dominant he has been. Between 1997-2003, his average ERA+ was 215.4: to put that into context, only four other men have had a single season that good since 1931: Maddux (1994 + 1995), Clemens (1997 + 2005), Gooden (1985) and Gibson (1968). To average that level of performance over seven seasons is quite phenomenal: as a comparison, Johnson's best years (1995-2001) average 172.0.

That might be another good measure: take the average ERA+ of the best "N" years. It'd help assess consistent dominance, and eliminate the issue of outlying years, without relying too much on peak ability. But pure ERA might not be the best method, since it depends, inevitably on the defense behind the pitcher. I personally would take strikeouts into consideration, since that's the most clear-cut measure of a pitcher's superiority over a hitter: forcing them to miss the ball entirely. And there, Johnson has the highest K/9 figure of any pitcher ever, at 10.95 per nine innings. [That list is quite skewed towards modern times - I suspect perhaps as a side-effect of the "long ball" cult of recent times. More HR swings leads to more K's?]

I'm also wondering where Martinez will end up on the all-time K's list: 2861 already, and he's only 33. Another ten years at 200 per year, which is quite credible, could blow him past everyone bar Ryan, depending on how much longer Clemens and Johnson pitch.

by Jim McLennan on Jan 28, 2006 3:33 PM EST reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Top 10
I was going to type yesterday that I would put Clemens, Pedro, and maybe Maddux in before Johnson in any top 10 list.

Nolan Ryan? Yeah, very overrated. Great pitcher, hall-of-famer, but top 10? No.

by Otacon on Jan 28, 2006 4:41 PM EST reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Clemens vs. Pedro vs. Randy vs. Maddux
Interesting comparison [Comments don't format too well, so apologies in advance...]

Statistic. - Clem - Mart - John - Madd
Car ERA+ - 143.0 - 166.0 - 142.0 - 138.0
Best Year - 226.0 - 285.0 - 198.0 - 273.0
Best 3 Yr. - 181.3 - 239.7 - 183.7 - 234.3
Best 5 Yr. - 167.2 - 225.4 - 173.0 - 215.2
Best 7 Yr. - 159.4 - 215.4 - 171.1 - 201.9
Best 10 Y - 162.3 - 189.8 - 168.3 - 183.4

Looking at that, the order would appear to be Martinez, Maddux, Johnson, Clemens - though the Rocket at his best would be above the Big Unit, as Johnson has never had the one, utterly dominant season which the other three have had. Randy has, however, had a lot of very, very, good ones.

by Jim McLennan on Jan 29, 2006 2:45 PM EST reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Ooh. Nice. :-)
[ Speaking of ERA +....I thought I would link this article on "K+" ]

Much tasty goodness there. That's the kind of thing I'd be inclined to help use as an objective measure of "greatness". Of course, we all have our criteria and weightings for the various factors: that's what makes this kind of thing such fun. [As an aside, I note that #80 on the list for career ERA+ is one Babe Ruth, with 122, the same as Juan Marichal...]

Obviously, innings pitched is an issue, but that can only really be used to compare pitchers from the same time, as it is so era (rather than ERA!) dependent. Every one of the top 100 for most innings pitched in a season comes from before 1894, led by Will White's 680 in 1879 - 75 starts, 75 complete games! Now, no-one has thrown even 300 in 25 years - and probably never will again.

by Jim McLennan on Jan 31, 2006 5:23 PM EST reply reply actions actions   0 recs

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