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D-backs 2012 Ticket Prices: Or, SnakePitFest - Now 70% More Expensive...

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I got the group outing chart through from Geno last week, and took a look at it over the weekend to begin the process of looking for dates that might be suitable for SnakePitFest v5. However, on checking the price-list, I got a bit of a nasty surprise. It's not all a direct raise - they've changed the way in which games are put in to price bands. There's no price list for single games available at this point, but if those are being priced in the same way, it marks a fundamental shift...

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Over recent seasons, the tendency for most teams has been to go towards a model best described as "airline pricing", where the aim is to relate the cost of any ticket to the demand for it. This can be done in a variety of ways, up to the near-mystical level of the Giants' dynamic pricing scheme, which takes into account not just the opponent, but special promotions and even who is the starting pitcher. Arizona, however, simply divided their games into a series of bands, and adjusted prices based on those. Here's what last year's group price chart looked like, with the SnakePit's favorite section, behind our bullpen on the lower level, outlined in white.

2011 Price Chart
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That was fine for us, because we really don't care who we go to see: we're there to watch Arizona, and who's sitting in the other dugout is, more or less, irrelevant. Indeed, if it's some crappy team like the [name withheld], so much the better, as it increases the chances of us being victorious. We're all about the Diamondbacks. Well, that and the social aspects. Our two requirements are Diamondbacks and the social aspects. And yelling. Our three requirements are Diamondbacks, the social aspect and yelling...and the pre-game get-together. Our four... No. Amongst our requirements are such elements as Diamondbacks, the soci... I'll come in again, shall I?

But you get the picture. The opposition? Irrelevant. On the other hand, since we have had people coming to this event from all four corners of the state [including, literally, Four Corners], SnakePitFest has to be on a weekend. We're not a local church or school, for whom a week-night could be a practical proposition, since it's just a question of showing up for first pitch, and beating the rush by leaving after the seventh. No, it's a full day, a SnakePitPaloozza celebrating our fandom. You wouldn't try to cram Mardi Gras or the Rio Carnival into a weekday evening, would you? Same for SnakePitFest. Which is why this year's ticket chart came as an unpleasant shock.

2012 Price Chart
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If you can't quite read the image, I'll summarize. Single-game ticket prices for Bullpen Reserve have hardly changed: they did range from $15-22, and now are $15-23. The most expensive group prices remain $17 as well. But the bottom end of group prices has evaporated entirely, with the $8 and $10 rates now a thing of the past; weekday games are $12, with Friday and Sunday coming in at $15. And the tickets to Saturday SnakePitFests v4.1 and 4.2, that cost us ten bucks last season? We would now be looking at paying $17, for the equivalent games in 2012. For the mathematically-challenged, that's a 70% increase. Ouch.

To a large extent, this new structure does make sense, in that it reflects the apparent demand for tickets - more so in Arizona than elsewhere, it would appear. Below is the average home and road attendance for the D-backs in 2011, by day of the week - I've excluded the Opening Day contests, both at Chase and Coors:

Day Home Road
Monday 21,039 31,565
Tuesday 20,916 27,366
Wednesday 22,773 28,437
Thursday 20,895 27,403
Friday 27,777 29,602
Saturday 33,569 35,379
Sunday 29,683 30,379

Here, Friday and Sunday games were about 20% better attended than the relatively flat numbers seen from Mon-Thu, with Saturday about 30% higher. The same sharp, consistent split does not seem to be seen in crowds seen by the team away from Chase .Saturday does remain the highest number, but Monday was second-highest, with three of the seven road dates there pulling in crowds of over 40,000. This might be the result of a scheduling quirk, with two of those games falling on holidays: July 4 in Milwaukee, and September 5 (Labor Day) in Colorado, the third being August 1 against the Giants. But in general, the differential does seem smaller elsewhere.

I can thus see the logic in encouraging groups towards those weekday games. However, I'm not sure a sharp increase in prices - many weekday contests were in the now-defunct low tiers - is the way to do it. The increase also seems to have been greatest, in percentage terms, for the cheaper seats, presumably most favored by groups, especially on the lower level. If we'd been in the bleachers, last year, the cost would have been the same as the bullpen reserve. This year, Saturday seats would be 90% higher, at $19; that's two bucks more expensive, for a seat further from home-plate, without a back.

The pricing doesn't seem too disparate from other NL West teams, though finding detailed info is not exactly easy. I did dig out the info for the Rockies, both regular pricing and for groups. The closest in terms of ballpark location appear to be the Lower Reserved, Outfield and Corner sections, the regular season price for which at Coors ranges from $17-26 - the group rates for the same tickets are $13-21, depending on whether it's a "Classic", "Premium" or "Value" date. I was completely unable to locate anywhere on the schedule that lists what games are which, so I don't know if they operate the same strict "day of week" approach as the D-backs.

[One thing I did see the Rockies doing, which I don't think we do, is offer "Splitseason Tickets", a set of web-based tools to help if you are getting together with friends to buy a season-ticket package in a group. It's something we've thought about doing, but the logistics involved has always seemed like a nightmare: a tool like this would seem to be a significant aid in the process]

But, as a consumer, all the above issues are less relevant, than the end result - which is a serious increase in the cost of our tickets. We could save a couple of bucks by shifting to a Sunday, and that seems a likely outcome. But the effect may well be to shrink from two SnakePitFests to one (or perhaps have an additional SnakePitTowersFest instead - tickets to our couch not being 70% more expensive this year...), not least because I can't afford to front the additional couple of hundred bucks in deposits required as a result of the increase.

Final decision will likely await the unveiling of the full promotional schedule at FanFest this weekend [personally, I will be getting the D-backs lucha libre mask from the July 7th game vs. LA!], but all thoughts, comments, etc. are welcome. Are people prepared to pay $17 for a Saturday game? Or is $15 on Sunday preferred? I also want to be very certain there's enough interest at the new, higher prices, so expressions of intent would be welcome [send no money now! We'll make sure you send us lots later!]

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Never been to SnakePitFest

So it’s time I go. Saturday/Sunday $2 difference – don’t care. Nice weather with the roof open would be good. Can you arrange that?

by Craig from Az on Feb 7, 2012 7:36 PM EST reply actions  

I'M SO ANGRY ABOUT THIS

I’M GONNA THROW A CHAIR OFF OF THE THIRD FLOOR OF THE STUDENT UNION RIGHT NOW, EXCEPT NOT SINCE THAT WOULD PROBABLY GET ME IN TROUBLE, UNLESS IT HIT TROY TULOWITSKI, THEN IT’S TOTALLY WORTH IT!

Founder of the 'Foundation for the Advancement of Clefoing' a 501C3

by Clefo on Feb 7, 2012 8:13 PM EST reply actions   2 recs

love the Monty Python reference

"I could have been king, but in my own way I am king. Hail to the king baby." Ash from Army of Darkness

by Turambar on Feb 7, 2012 8:53 PM EST via iPhone app reply actions  

Good news for me, apparently!

Sunday games are the only ones I can go to. I work the rest of the week. I don’t get off work in time to make the start times of any games on any other days. Off at 7:30pm on weekdays and 5:30pm on Saturdays. Oh, if only they had kept the 6:40pm Saturday start times! Alas. Now that they are earlier I can’t make it.

So, if SnakepitFest is on a Sunday I could conceivably actually attend one.

by SongBird on Feb 8, 2012 12:07 AM EST reply actions  

Blech

Tomorrow is another day.

by soco on Feb 8, 2012 12:11 AM EST reply actions  

Super

Blech.

Wear your own fur.

by Marc Fournier on Feb 8, 2012 1:54 AM EST up reply actions  

Mega

Blech

Founder of the 'Foundation for the Advancement of Clefoing' a 501C3

by Clefo on Feb 8, 2012 2:49 PM EST up reply actions  

Uber

Blech

isitspringtrainingyet.com

by imstillhungry95 on Feb 8, 2012 4:38 PM EST up reply actions  

Blechachu

Tomorrow is another day.

by soco on Feb 9, 2012 1:25 PM EST up reply actions  

Blechmonlee

Founder of the 'Foundation for the Advancement of Clefoing' a 501C3

by Clefo on Feb 9, 2012 1:40 PM EST up reply actions  

Terrablech

sententia Platonis semper in ore illius fuit, florere civitates si aut philosophi imperarent aut imperantes philosopharentur

by NASCARbernet on Feb 9, 2012 4:41 PM EST up reply actions  

Well

Saturday would be the only way I could do it, but with these new prices, I might not be able to do it anyway :-(

isitspringtrainingyet.com

by imstillhungry95 on Feb 8, 2012 2:21 PM EST reply actions  

On another note

has anyone else been unable to get on any SB Nation site until just recently?

isitspringtrainingyet.com

by imstillhungry95 on Feb 8, 2012 2:22 PM EST up reply actions  

Yeah,.there's been a DB issue

You may also have noticed the Fanposts widget on the front page is empty. These things are not unconnected. :)

"There's one rule by which I generally run my life:
What would Mothra do?"

by Jim McLennan on Feb 8, 2012 4:06 PM EST up reply actions  

So it is!

I hadn’t noticed

isitspringtrainingyet.com

by imstillhungry95 on Feb 8, 2012 4:38 PM EST up reply actions  

Tropical Trees

Puff Whenever.

We should show up to at least one game this year as a group. We got shirts and reps riding on it.

If you'd have been a dog.....
They would of drowned you at birth.

by edbigghead on Feb 8, 2012 8:40 PM EST reply actions   1 recs

Agreed!

I’d at least like to attend one PitFest in 2012…

Welcome Back Bazooka Joe!!!

Geoff Blum: BEST hair in the Major Leagues!

by Rockkstarr12 on Feb 8, 2012 10:58 PM EST up reply actions  

I can pretty much go whenever

I have no life. Whatsoever.

But it’d be weird without soco. Would I just be mamasoco with babysoco?

Henry West, doing his Henry Best. (PTBN is now named!)

by mrssoco on Feb 8, 2012 11:33 PM EST reply actions  

Babysoco

will learn to heckle.

If you'd have been a dog.....
They would of drowned you at birth.

by edbigghead on Feb 9, 2012 8:52 AM EST up reply actions  

Wait

why am I not going?

Tomorrow is another day.

by soco on Feb 9, 2012 1:25 PM EST up reply actions  

I was wondering what was up with this...

sententia Platonis semper in ore illius fuit, florere civitates si aut philosophi imperarent aut imperantes philosopharentur

by NASCARbernet on Feb 9, 2012 4:41 PM EST up reply actions  

I think

she’s planning on getting rid of me between now and then.

Tomorrow is another day.

by soco on Feb 9, 2012 6:22 PM EST up reply actions  

There may be something to this

after all, you have served your function.

sententia Platonis semper in ore illius fuit, florere civitates si aut philosophi imperarent aut imperantes philosopharentur

by NASCARbernet on Feb 9, 2012 10:06 PM EST up reply actions   2 recs

Alright

if something happens between now and then, like you disappear or something, I’ll ask MCSO to ask her some questions. Does that help?

sententia Platonis semper in ore illius fuit, florere civitates si aut philosophi imperarent aut imperantes philosopharentur

by NASCARbernet on Feb 9, 2012 10:24 PM EST up reply actions  

lmao

If you'd have been a dog.....
They would of drowned you at birth.

by edbigghead on Feb 10, 2012 9:17 AM EST up reply actions  

Amongst our requirements are such elements as Diamondbacks, the soci… I’ll come in again, shall I?

This has had me chuckling all day.

It's the stuff that dreams are made of
It's the slow and steady fire

by 4 Corners Fan on Feb 10, 2012 1:03 AM EST reply actions  

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