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The 2012 Diamondbacks: Regress or Repeat?

A few months ago, we looked at the performances of teams which made major strides forward in a season - what happened to them the next year? The results weren't pretty. Of the 15 teams to have improved by 20 games in a season since the Diamondbacks came into being, their W-L record the following season was, on average, 11 games worse. Only one team - the 2004 Cubs - were able to match the win total from their "Great Leap Forward." So, Arizona will have to buck the trend if they are to win 94 games again in 2012. But what if we drill down a little further?

Star-divide

Let's start by looking at the source of Arizona's wins in 2011. I'm using fWAR throughout this piece, largely because Fangraphs.com easily allows you to slice up WAR by position, thereby taking into account that we had six different players start games at 1B and LF, with five as SS and 3B. The table below shows the WAR by position. for each team in the NL West - additionally, for Arizona, I've included a column showing where our WAR at that position ranked in the National League.

Pos AZ NL # COL LA SD SF
C 5.4 #1 3.6 1.9 3.4 2.6
1B 1.0 #14 3.9 2.8 2.7 0.8
2B 3.0 #8 0.4 2.6 2.0 0.5
3B 3.4 #5 -1.5 2.2 2.7 5.7
SS 2.2 #8 6.2 3.3 1.6 0.9
LF 3.5 #7 2.3 2.1 3.3 2.8
CF 4.9 #5 2.9 8.7 4.2 3.1
RF 6.6 #2 4.9 3.7 4.2 3.8
SP 12.5 #8 10.3 13.8 8.0 17.6
RP 3.4 #6 4.5 2.7 1.3 5.3
Tot 47.4 36.0 40.6
32.1
41.0

Let's go through each of these positions, and see whether we should expect them to improve, regress or stay about the same.

Down_medium Catcher. 2011 WAR: 5.4. Starters: Miguel Montero (131), Henry Blanco (31).
2012 Depth: Montero, Blanco

2011 seemed a perfect storm of catchiliciousness for Arizona. Not only did Montero blossom into an All-Star caliber starter, he also avoided the health problems - in particular, his knee - which has limited his playing time previously. And back-up Blanco became just the seventh player in baseball history with eight homers in 100 or less ABs. It seems unrealistic to expect everything to go quite as well. Montero may be as good - but will he be as healthy? Since 2000, only four catchers - Jason Kendall (2000-06, 2008-09), Jorge Posada (2002-03), Kurt Suzuki (2008-09) and Russell Martin (2007-09) - have started 130 games in back-to-back years, so the odds are against Montero. Not impossible; just against. Blanco hitting like Mark Mcgwire also seems unlikely.

Up_mediumFirst-base. 2011 WAR: 1.0. Starters: Juan Miranda (46), Xavier Nady (44), Paul Goldschmidt (41), the field (31).
2012 Depth: Goldschmidt, Lyle Overbay
After several seasons where the D-backs have lacked a reliable, everyday first-baseman, things are looking a good deal brighter in 2012. Goldzilla has an inside track on the role, and showed down the stretch in 2011 that he possesses the tools to deliver there. Starting in about one-quarter of Arizona's games, Goldschmidt put up 0.6 WAR in his rookie season, more over his 177 PAs than all the other players at the position did combined, in their 580 PAs. Part of this may be small sample size, but if the D-backs are to avoid regression this year, the engine-room as far as their position players are concerned, is likely to be first-base.

Equal_mediumSecond-base. 2011 WAR: 3.0. Starters: Kelly Johnson (106), Aaron Hill (32), the field (24).
2012 Depth: Hill, Roberts/Bloomquist

I was surprised to see how well Arizona ranked in this area, basically ending up at the middle of the pack. Even more than at first-base, the late arrival really turned the position around. Hill picked up 1.6 WAR in about 20% of the season, again matching the output of everyone else over the preceding four-fifths. Nice though it would be to extrapolate this to 8 WAR over the course of a full season, there's no realistic grounds for so doing. However, the fan survey on Fangraphs cam up with a figure of 2.5 WAR for Hill in 2012, indicating there will be a significant rebound for Hill from the last couple of seasons in Toronto. I'd settle for something around the same level as in 2011.

Down_mediumThird-base. 2011 WAR: 3.4. Starters: Ryan Roberts (102), Melvin Mora (30)., the field (30).
2012 Depth: Roberts, Bloomquist.

Just the other day, Dan went into great detail about Ryan Roberts spectacular and surprising success last year. I'll simply steal a couple of late sentences, in response to the question of whether RyRo can do it again: "Yes, he can, but relying on him to do so probably isn't a safe choice without taking special care to cover his biggest weaknesses. That's an unsatisfying answer." I don't expect Roberts to be a disaster, and he should still represent good value for $2m (plus the odd five hundred bucks), Not having Mora around for 30 starts will also be a help. But I think that a repeat performance from the Dread Pirate is something I'm hoping happens, rather than expecting to occur, based on a solid foundation in reality.

Equal_mediumShort-stop. 2011 WAR: 2.2. Starters: Stephen Drew (83), Willie Bloomquist (57), the field (22).
2012 Depth: Drew, Bloomquist, McDonald

This one is a question-mark, because of the big health issue here. A full season of Drew and it should be firmly up. In 86 games last year, he had 1.9 WAR, and he produced more than five WAR in the full season which preceded that. However, an entire campaign of Bloomquist would probably be a very different matter. Over his entire career, since making his debut in 2002, the Bloomster has accumulated only 1.3 WAR in total. At this point, we have little or no idea what the ratio of Stepheness to Willieness will be. The heavier the balance is tilted toward the former, the better. For now, let's not expect too much.

Up_mediumLeft-field. 2011 WAR: 3.5. Starters: Gerardo Parra (117), Bloomquist (22), the field (23).
2012 Depth: Jason Kubel, Parra.
Though many might disagree, I reckon there's room for improvement - I admit this depends heavily on Kubel enjoying the move from Target to Chase. It will certainly improve the power we get from the position: despite our park, last year, the Pirates were the only NL club with fewer homers from left-field than Arizona's nine. The key question is likely to be defense. If Kubel is as much a butcher as some fear, the offensive upgrade he represents may turn into an overall wash (for a lot more money, obviously). But if carefully managed - we've already discussed the concept of Parra being a "personal left-fielder" for some starters - I think we could be pleasantly surprised.

Equal_mediumCenter-field.2011 WAR: 4.9. Starters: Chris Young (155), the field (7).
2012 Depth: Chris Young, Parra
Young has been very consistent the past couple of years, posting 4.6 WAR in both 2010 and 2011, and health permitting, there's no reason to expect anything different from him in 2012. He'll turn 29 in September, and so should be at his prime. I think I've more or less given up on expecting him to have a breakout season at the plate, hitting .280 while keeping his power, but decent on-base skills and a 20/20 HR/SB season is pretty damn good for the position, especially combined with his solid defense. Little or no fuss (save the odd walk-off home-run), it's surprising to realize that by the All-Star break, Young will likely be second on the franchise all-time list for games played.

Equal_mediumRight-field. 2011 WAR: 6.6. Starters: Justin Upton (156), the field (6).
2012 Depth: Upton, Parra.
Could J-Up actually be better this year? It's hard to think of how this could be possible, save perhaps for cutting back on the errors. In 2011, Justin clobbered 31 HR, hit .289, and stole 21 bases. But the scary thing - for our opponents - is that he's only 24, and every aspect of his game should be expected to improve for the next couple of seasons. Now, some of that may be negated by the fact that Upton is already a lot more experienced than most 24-year olds (he's already in the franchise top 10 for PAs!), and it seems like drooling fandom to project any kind of uptick in production. So I won't. I wouldn't bet against it, however...

Up_mediumStarting pitching. 2011 WAR: 12.5. Ian Kennedy, Daniel Hudson, Joe Saunders (33 each), Josh Collmenter (24), the field (39).
2012 Depth: Kennedy, Hudson, Trevor Cahill, Collmenter, Saunders.

Kennedy, Hudson and Saunders are common to both years, in full; a little regression from Kennedy, should hopefully be countered by a full season of Collmenter and Hudson improving (Saunders will be Saunders, and I have reached a Zen-like tranquility about this). The big boost is having Cahill to replace the collection of malcontents and replacements found at the back of the Arizona rotation in 2011. Those 39 starts by "the field" had an ERA of 5.55, and Cahill will be much better than that. The good news is, there's depth as well, such as Wade Miley (4.15 ERA in seven starts), even before we get to... Well, you know who are waiting in the wings...

Equal_mediumRelief Pitching. 2011 WAR: 3.4. Most games: David Hernandez (74), Joe Paterson (62), J.J. Putz (60), Sam Demel (34), Bryan Shaw (33), Aaron Heilman (32), Esmerling Vasquez (31).
2012 Depth: Putz, Hernandez, Takashi Saito, Shaw, Brad Ziegler, Paterson,. Craig Breslow.
Yeah: Sam Demel had the fourth-most relief appearances for Arizona last year. Who knew? It's numbers like that which will help to balance out the possible over-achievement of Messrs. Hernandez and Putz last time, since those Demel, Heilman and Vasquez innings will likely be pitched by someone significantly better in 2012. The wild-card here is Saito. If healthy, damn few are better: since his arrival in 2006, among pitchers with 300 IP, only Rivera and Nathan have a lower ERA than Saito's 2.18. A full season of that, and this one turns sharply up.

All told, there doesn't seem to me an obvious case for major regression at the base level of performance for Arizona. The D-backs will likely lose some ground due to an evening out of their record in one-run games. We went 28-16 in those, which is a "skill" notoriously hard to reproduce, year to year. However, we do have some leeway: the Giants were outscored by their opponents, so are likely in line for significant regression of their own - they shouldn't expect to go 33-22 in one-run games next season either.

Our biggest threat may be the Dodgers, as they were the closest to the D-backs in Pythagorean record, just four games back of us. However, it's not as if they have done much this winter, beyond locking up Matt Kemp for the long term. Like the rest of our divisional rivals, they made limited moves, with signings like Mark Ellis and Aaron Harang. Not exactly names that spring to the lips when you're looking for a big piece to push you over the top. Having lost Rod Barajas and Casey Blake (3.5 WAR between them in 2011), it doesn't seem like they've done too much to close that four-game advantage we had in Pythagorean record.

On the down-side, the above analysis assumes perfect health except at short-stop, and the odds are against that. Last season, we had five players with 140 or more appearances, tied with the Marlins for most in the National League. It's quite likely that at least one Diamondback will miss significant playing time as the result of injury: it's just the nature of the beast, and it will have a knock-on effect in terms of production, since their replacement will typically be... Well, replacement level, obviously. Though, as noted above, that is less the case for our rotation, where you could argue not all our "five best" pitchers will be found in the major-leagues....

Overall, I'm quietly optimistic. As champions, we're the team to beat, making it up to the rest of the division to chase us down - which they seem oddly disinterested in doing. Arizona lost virtually no-one of importance to free agency this winter - Zach Duke's 0.8 WAR as a pitcher was the only significant hit the team took there - and they're generally young enough that another year on the clock is not something to fear. While an injury to one of our proven major-league stars would be problematic, as we saw last year with Drew, it's not necessarily fatal. A decade since Arizona went back-to-back, I've got to think we have a good chance of doing so again in 2012.

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Improved pitching = more wins.

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by NASCARbernet on Feb 2, 2012 12:15 PM EST reply actions  

This^^^^

Freeze it..and make a popsicle

by Baja F1 on Feb 3, 2012 2:21 PM EST up reply actions  

As far as injury goes,

the only real area we would be in trouble with is the infield. The Kubel signing secures outfield depth, and our pitching (both starting and relief) depth is obviously great. If we lose someone like Miggy we could be in for it.
The giants do have posey coming back, which might make up for their inevitable regression in 1 run games and being outscored.

by LiamNeeson on Feb 2, 2012 12:56 PM EST reply actions  

Miggy or Upton

if we lose Miggy or Upton, I think that’s game over for us

otherwise, i think we can handle an injury at any other position

by blue bulldog on Feb 2, 2012 2:09 PM EST up reply actions  

No it doesn't

Everybody was saying the same thing about Drew’s injury last year.

Now if we lost IPK then that’s a different story.

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by txzona on Feb 2, 2012 2:44 PM EST up reply actions  

Debatable

If Skaggs/Bauer as good as advertised they might be able to fill in

by rfffr on Feb 2, 2012 3:15 PM EST up reply actions  

Nobody

Is going to be IPK-level right away.

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by Zavada's Moustache on Feb 2, 2012 6:57 PM EST up reply actions  

Ehh,

I love JUp as much as the next guy, but an outfield of Kubel/Young/Parra would be serviceable for a while, if not a strength. If we lose Miggy, on the other hand, we’re looking at a season of Henry Blanco, which is rather sub-optimal.

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by Zavada's Moustache on Feb 2, 2012 6:56 PM EST up reply actions  

i dunno

i think the difference between Upton/Young/Kubel/Parra, and Young/Kubel/Parra (and Pollock?) is probably a 4 win difference over the course of a year

i think the difference between Miggy and Blanco is probably also a 4 win difference

by blue bulldog on Feb 2, 2012 7:10 PM EST up reply actions  

Blanco can't catch every day

If Miggy goes down, we have to go get another catcher.

by Craig from Az on Feb 3, 2012 11:43 AM EST up reply actions  

That's the sticking point for me.

Quality catchers are generally more difficult to replace than outfielders, and I trust guys like Eaton and Pollock to come up and make an impact than I trust any of our current catching depth.

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by Zavada's Moustache on Feb 3, 2012 5:10 PM EST up reply actions  

Upton: yes

Miggy: no. Teams have succeeded just fine with worse catchers. A Blanco/Schmidt platoon would certainly be miserable, but look at how good the Giants were a year ago with Eli Whiteside out there everyday…

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by Dan Strittmatter on Feb 3, 2012 9:14 PM EST up reply actions  

Call me crazy, but

this team is a legit WS contender, IMO. Not just being a homer, I really believe this. :)

Balance is the team’s strength. Borderline elite rotation, with two guys who should put up low-3 ERA’s, one that should be in the mid-3’s, and two who should be in the low-4’s. Not spectacular, but well rounded (and yes I know the 4/5 starters don’t matter in the playoffs). Could be beastly if/when Skaggs/Bauer crack the rotation. Elite bullpen. Good to great defense. Extremely balanced lineup, solid 1-9 (yes, 1-9, don’t forget about the pitchers!). Opposing pitchers don’t get much of a break. I haven’t looked this up, but I believe we’re one of the more patient teams, too, in terms of making pitchers work. That Upton dude is pretty okay too. The big thing is Drew’s health.

I think 2013 is really our year, though.

Goldy Watch: 48 games, .250/.333/.474

by Jdub220 on Feb 2, 2012 1:00 PM EST reply actions  

the big thing for me

is how Goldschmidt ends up doing

i think if he’s a 4-5 WAR guy (very low probability of this) we’re looking at a potentially very special season

if he’s a 2-3 WAR guy (i think this is pretty likely) then i think we still have a decent shot at making the playoffs, but shouldn’t really expect anything afterwards

by blue bulldog on Feb 2, 2012 2:10 PM EST up reply actions  

It's really all just about getting there

Once you get there it’s a crapshoot. Anyone can win. They key is to get there often enough that the stars have enough chances to align. Just ask the Braves or Yankees. You build your team to get there and then hope you get hot for three weeks.

Insanity: Doing the same thing over and over and expecting a different result.

by sonic barracuda on Feb 3, 2012 7:07 PM EST up reply actions  

Pitchers hitting

Glad you brought this up. I think I remember hearing that our pitchers had the most hits in the majors last year. I don’t know how many that was, but seems a likely regression point as well. Don’t know if it makes much of a difference.

by Craig from Az on Feb 3, 2012 11:45 AM EST up reply actions  

I dont know

Same staff, just adding Cahill, so i think the pitchers hitting will be good again. Daniel Hudson led the Nl with RBI’s for a pitcher i believe. or was a close 2nd.

Freeze it..and make a popsicle

by Baja F1 on Feb 3, 2012 2:23 PM EST up reply actions  

Regardless of regression,

our pitching staff can still hit. Having no automatic outs is a major plus for us.

Goldy Watch: 48 games, .250/.333/.474

by Jdub220 on Feb 4, 2012 1:04 PM EST up reply actions  

I went for it

I’m standing by my prediction for the Pitties next year where I said we get at least 100 wins. I believe that all the way, and I think we will roll to the division win and at least two rounds into the playoffs, with a good shot at a WS appearance!

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by imstillhungry95 on Feb 2, 2012 1:01 PM EST reply actions  

I daren't say this

in case I jinx them.

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by hotclaws on Feb 2, 2012 1:37 PM EST up reply actions  

I've got a good feeling

and I don’t think they’ll let themselves get jinxed

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by imstillhungry95 on Feb 2, 2012 1:38 PM EST up reply actions  

Color me nervous.

There are major questions at three out of four spots on our infield, with the fourth spot belonging to a rookie with 177 PAs in the majors. We could hemorrhage some wins from there, particularly if Drew doesn’t return on time.

As for the outfield, I hope Gibby doesn’t start Kubel with flyball pitchers on the mound too often, I can easily see that becoming the “WTF SEAN BURROUGHS!!!” of 2012. Hopefully, his offense makes up for that deficit.

The pitching and bullpen should be good, with the upside of being elite if Kennedy and Collmenter have a repeat of last season and Hudson takes a step forward.

Overall, the roster probably has more talent on it than it did in October, and it certainly has more than it did this time last year, but there are enough guys with potential to regress that it gives me pause. Barring any major injuries, I can see a 90-win season. And the nice thing about the NL West is that might still be enough for a title.

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by Zavada's Moustache on Feb 2, 2012 1:54 PM EST reply actions  

the bullpen

looks insanely good on paper

imo

by blue bulldog on Feb 2, 2012 2:11 PM EST up reply actions  

Didn't everyone

say that in 2010?

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by imstillhungry95 on Feb 2, 2012 2:21 PM EST up reply actions  

really?

i honestly don’t recall that. i think on paper, i thought the 2010 bullpen was probably league averagish.

this year though, i think we have one of the best bullpens in the NL, if not in all of baseball

by blue bulldog on Feb 2, 2012 2:33 PM EST up reply actions  

I seem to recall

a lot of ‘experts’ saying that just before the season started, but I could be wrong

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by imstillhungry95 on Feb 2, 2012 3:23 PM EST up reply actions  

When Qualls was the closer?

"Clearly the Brewers didn't realize that going into Beast Mode raised their testosterone levels."
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by txzona on Feb 2, 2012 2:41 PM EST up reply actions  

Really?

A bullpen of Blaine Boyer, Juan Gutierrez, , Aaron Heilman, Bobby Howry, Jordan Norberto, Chad Qualls, Leo Rosales and Esmerling Vasquez?

by dbacks25 on Feb 2, 2012 5:28 PM EST up reply actions  

Heh,

It’s funny to remember that Bob Howry happened.

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by Zavada's Moustache on Feb 2, 2012 7:16 PM EST up reply actions  

Heh,

It’s amusing to remember that Bob Howry happened.

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by Zavada's Moustache on Feb 2, 2012 7:16 PM EST up reply actions  

gross

"Clearly the Brewers didn't realize that going into Beast Mode raised their testosterone levels."
by tcyoung

by txzona on Feb 2, 2012 7:21 PM EST up reply actions  

Heh,

It’s whimsical to remember that Bob Howry happened.

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by Clefo on Feb 2, 2012 9:35 PM EST up reply actions   1 recs

Ish

its ironic that Bob Howry happened.

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by NASCARbernet on Feb 2, 2012 10:20 PM EST up reply actions  

Zounds

It causes great mirth in my heart to recall that Bob Howry was a thing that took place.

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by kishi on Feb 3, 2012 2:00 PM EST up reply actions  

Hmph,

It’s deeply saddening to remember that Bob Howry happened.

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by Dan Strittmatter on Feb 3, 2012 9:32 PM EST up reply actions  

I don't remember that.

The consensus seemed to be that, if you squinted for long enough, 2010’s bullpen looked better than the decidedly mediocre bunch from ’09. Obviously, they failed to live up to even those low expectations.

And even counting for the innate volatility that goes into building bullpens, I trust KT infinitely more than I trusted Josh Byrnes in that regard.

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by Zavada's Moustache on Feb 2, 2012 7:00 PM EST up reply actions  

I agree

about KT, I just seemed to recall that being said. I will readily admit that I could be misremembering

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by imstillhungry95 on Feb 3, 2012 5:18 PM EST up reply actions  

Impossible for you to misremember

you’re 16, remember? Now, get to Jim’s age, er, um, excuse me, my age and what were we talking about again?

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by NASCARbernet on Feb 3, 2012 6:42 PM EST up reply actions  

I'm optimistic that our bullpen and shortstop will be better

I think Cahill will have a huge year, but Kennedy and Hudson may regress a bit. Saunders and Collmenter will be significantly better than our 4 & 5 from last year, so that should off set Huddy and IPK regressing.

Combine that with SF doing nothing and the rest of the division looking confused. I think we’re in for a really good season.

I’m really excited to see Goldy get 500 ABs too.

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by txzona on Feb 2, 2012 2:41 PM EST reply actions  

SF

they are going to get a natural boost though

just from Panda/Posey having a full year, Freddy Sanchez being healthier, and what (should be) Belt getting more at bats, and Huff getting fewer at bats

by blue bulldog on Feb 2, 2012 6:44 PM EST up reply actions  

Freddy Sanchez

Hasn’t had 500 PAs in a season since 2008, so there’s no guarantee that he will be healthy. And the assumption that Belt will play over Huff (or even over Brett Pill) operates on the basis that a Sabean-run organization makes moves that optimize the talent on the team, which is a dangerous assumption to make.

Agree completely on Posey, but he’s not going to make up an 8-game deficit by himself, especially not coming off of an injury.

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by Zavada's Moustache on Feb 2, 2012 7:06 PM EST up reply actions  

Freddy Sanchez

May just explode into a fine particle cloud at some point.

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by SenSurround on Feb 2, 2012 7:09 PM EST up reply actions  

posey

i really don’t think he’ll make that big a difference…he is a great player but ppl make him sound like he a superstar. plus he is coming of an injury and has only played two half seasons.

Sanchez a older player coming off and injury r they really expecting him to be the same.

haha we’ll see if bouchy gives belt good amount of at bats. ( i hope not)

they really didn’t get any better in the offseason melky cabera was a good pick up and angel pagan is a injury waiting to happen.

by rd33 on Feb 2, 2012 9:42 PM EST up reply actions  

Posey

doesn’t have to be a superstar in order to generate a lot more value than what they got from Eli Whiteside last year

by blue bulldog on Feb 2, 2012 10:00 PM EST up reply actions  

I fixed it for you
doesn’t have to be a superstar have a pulse in order to generate a lot more value than what they got from Eli Whiteside last year

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by Jim McLennan on Feb 2, 2012 10:10 PM EST up reply actions   1 recs

Be quiet

You’re giving the Giants fans hope!

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by imstillhungry95 on Feb 3, 2012 10:36 AM EST up reply actions  

I'm particularly excited about Cahill, myself.

I share your enthusiasm that he’ll have a big year. Moving from the AL to the NL West should provide him a bit of a boost, for starters.

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by Stupendous Man on Feb 2, 2012 7:12 PM EST up reply actions  

I think most everything hinges on the infield

To me, the outfield, starters, and bullpen look to be more or less locks to be above league average. The infield, on the other hand, could be anywhere from bottom of the barrel to elite, and I wouldn’t be terribly surprised. We saw last year what they were capable of, but at the same time the only one with any semblance of consistency in their career to this point has been Drew, and who knows what’s gonna happen post injury. Any one of these guys could be close to replacement level this year and it wouldn’t be abnormal given their career history.

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by SenSurround on Feb 2, 2012 3:19 PM EST reply actions  

Good writeup

What warrants exploration, however, and what I think is throwing many people off here, is leverage and ‘clutchness’. The 2011 Dbacks exceeded their overall performance in so called high lev situations, by a greater margin (9.49 fCLUTCH) than any team in baseball. In the past five seasons, the only clubs to exeed baseline performance to this ‘fortuitous’ degree, were the 2008 Angels – and the 2007 Diamondbacks.

Fortuitous is in quotes, cuz I’m not certain it’s entirely luck,. The Angels, for example, had a nice multiple year run of hi lev hitting that might hint at some underlying cause. But just eyeballing year to year fCLUTCH, I’m pretty sure it’s mostly random.

(fCLUTCH is simply the sum of fangraphs’ pair of clutch calculations for each team; one for hitters, another for pitchers. Each team clutch factor can be found under Team Stats by accessing the Win Probability tabs)

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by Diamondhacks on Feb 2, 2012 3:55 PM EST reply actions  

I was just in the D'backs chat with KT. I got a few questions answered.

My screenname is whatev apparently…

whtev:
4:07 pm Are you concerned with Kubel’s defense in left field?

Kevin_Towers:
4:08 pm It’s hard to compare anybody to Parra, who won a gold glove out there, but I would say Kubel is an average or touch above average defender, even though he doesn’t have Parra’s arm or speed. I doubt he’ll win a gold glove but I think he will handle himself well out there. His defense did not scare us away.

whtev:
4:14 pm Have you talked to Parra since signing Kubel? How do you and Gibby plan on getting him into the lineup?

Kevin_Towers:
4:15 pm I have not talked to Parra himself but I’ve talked to his agency. He’ll still get a lot of ABs, they’ll just be spread out among LF, CF and RF. He’s still a big part of our ballclub and hopefully he’ll contribute to the success of this organization.

4:17 pm Any chance of seeing Kevin Munson or Even Marshall in the pen this year?

Kevin_Towers:
4:18 pm Both had very good years last year. Munson had a very good Arizona Fall League and made huge strides with his development from early in the season to the end of the season. Evan Marshall might be on the fastest track for somebody coming out of Kansas State. He pitched very effectively at three different levels and in instructional ball.
whtev:
4:30 pm Do you have to be a bit cautious about this season, because the expectations are so high?

Kevin_Towers:
4:31 pm I wouldn’t say we’ll ever be cautious. When you’re cautious, bad things happen. We’ve got respect for the entire NL West…the players and the GMs. I have a much better feel this year of who we are after having a chance to watch the club for a year. We’re going to be in attack mode again. That’s why we won last year and we won’t play the game cautioiusly this year. I won’t be cautious as a GM. I’ve got high expectations for this ball club, as does Kirk Gibson.

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by txzona on Feb 2, 2012 4:44 PM EST reply actions  

Very good questions

nicely done.

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by NASCARbernet on Feb 2, 2012 4:53 PM EST up reply actions  

+1

great questions.

Kubel above average with the glove? That would be very nice.

Also, interesting that the FO- or Towers anyway- have not talked to Parra. Perhaps that’s just how professionals work, but I would have expected a call just to let him know that his strides last year did not go unnoticed.

by Counsellmember on Feb 2, 2012 5:41 PM EST up reply actions  

two things

1) saying Kubel is average or touch above average defensively seems too optimistic to me

and

2) i’m not sure what “I won’t be cautious as a GM” means. does that mean “i’ll trade Bauer/Skaggs if i can pick up Carlos Beltran down the stretch?”. also….hasn’t every one of his moves this offseason screamed “caution”? how is signing two backup infielders, and guys like Kubel and Hill instead of Reyes or Rollins not a “cautious” move?

by blue bulldog on Feb 2, 2012 6:51 PM EST up reply actions  

Yea I don't think any of us are expecting Kubel to be above average defensively

but what is he going to say ," Concerned? Hell yeah I’m concerned! I just spent 14 million to have a DH play LF for two years!" I think he genuinely believes Kubel will be average. I guess that’s a good thing, because I sort of trust KT.

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by txzona on Feb 2, 2012 7:05 PM EST up reply actions  

Do you think he would say Kubel would be

below average? I wait and see on that trust.

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by xmet on Feb 2, 2012 10:19 PM EST up reply actions  

The figurative Beltran, I presume,

since he has a full no trade clause.

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by xmet on Feb 2, 2012 10:17 PM EST up reply actions  

I think he means

cautious in trading but the team will play all out.

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by hotclaws on Feb 3, 2012 5:21 AM EST up reply actions  

Okay

seriously, who voted 86 wins or less?

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by imstillhungry95 on Feb 2, 2012 5:51 PM EST reply actions  

Dodgers and Giants fans.

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by Stupendous Man on Feb 2, 2012 6:55 PM EST up reply actions  

I must confess that I did.

A) I’m a natural-born pessimist, and B) I like to keep the bar lower to avoid disappointment.

by Cardscrazy247 on Feb 3, 2012 8:55 AM EST up reply actions  

Dude

you need to brighten up a little! Smile! Be happy! :-)

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by imstillhungry95 on Feb 3, 2012 10:37 AM EST up reply actions  

I did not

but would not be stunned if we were a .500 ballclub or just above. I think it is unlikely, but if Drew is not healthy, Hill plays as he has the last 2 years (except for the month he was here last year), Roberts regresses (very likely), Miggy plays many fewer games (very likely),and Upton is merely good and not GREAT – I think that’s a .500 ballclub.

by Craig from Az on Feb 3, 2012 11:57 AM EST up reply actions  

Drew

What is the status of Stephen Drew anyway. I have him in a keeper league and need to decide if I am keeping him this year or not (6 keepers only). If he’s fully healthy, I want him…….but if he’s gonna be out for a while, I can pick him up in the draft instead.

I need to know if they are expecting him to be fully recovered and ready for opening day or not. Anybody got anything???

by kbarr888 on Feb 2, 2012 10:55 PM EST reply actions  

Fully recovered

and ready for opening day are different thresholds. Earlier today, GM Towers indicated “there’s a chance that he could be ready by Opening Day”. Not a good chance. Or that he would be ready. A chance that he could be ready. I interpret that as less than 50/50.

Others can weigh in, but the expectation that he’ll be ‘fully recovered’ by then, a higher standard, is essentially nil, imo.

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by Diamondhacks on Feb 2, 2012 11:27 PM EST up reply actions  

new member checking in y'all long life dback fan

Now that I kno this site exist I’ll be commenting often, im extremely excited for the upcoming year might even tell my work that im taking the day off for opening day. :-P

by Tucson d-back fan on Feb 2, 2012 11:28 PM EST reply actions  

Welcome to the 'Pit!

Yep, Mrs. SnakePit and I will be taking the day off this year too – it’ll actually be the first time I’ve been to Opening Day at Chase!

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by Jim McLennan on Feb 3, 2012 1:19 AM EST up reply actions  

It's worth it!

I went last year, and it was electric in there. It was a similar atmosphere to when the Yankees came to town, but actually rooting for the Dbacks

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by imstillhungry95 on Feb 3, 2012 10:38 AM EST up reply actions  

hello

it’s even more fun during a game.

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by hotclaws on Feb 3, 2012 5:22 AM EST up reply actions  

Welcome

to the insanity ‘Pit! Glad you’ll be around a lot. The more the merrier!

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by imstillhungry95 on Feb 3, 2012 10:40 AM EST up reply actions  

Welcome!

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by Dan Strittmatter on Feb 3, 2012 9:35 PM EST up reply actions  

thx to everyone i really appreciate the love

Just shows we really are a first class organization. With first class fans, thx y’all. :)

by Tucson d-back fan on Feb 3, 2012 1:47 PM EST via mobile reply actions  

The Dbacks WILL do better this year

I wont forget Doug saying the Dbacks should pack it in after Drew broke his ankle last season.

by since98 on Feb 3, 2012 5:05 PM EST reply actions  

It's almost funny

How many times local and national pundits suggested the Diamondbacks should “pack it in” last year. Right after Spring Training, after the mediocre April, after Drew got injured, whenever we played the Phillies (Gambo only), and when we went down 0-2 to the Brewers.

Last year would not have been nearly as satisfying without all of the naysayers who had to eat their words.

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by Zavada's Moustache on Feb 3, 2012 5:15 PM EST up reply actions  

I'll have a go

Catcher: Down
Jim nailed this one. No way we should expect so much durability from Montero again, I’d be a bit surprised if he played more than 120 games. Impressed, to be certain, but surprised. That said, I don’t think a month of Blanco/Schmidt behind the plate would be a catastrophe at all, if it keeps Miggy healthy for playoff time.

First Base: Up
Nowhere to go but up with Xavier Nady gone.

Second Base: Up
Remember how frustrating Kelly Johnson was last year? Yeah, he hit for plenty of power, and we all constantly expected him to rebound at any moment last year, but the guy OBP’d .287 with Arizona in 2011. The WAR measures may not value what we get from Hill more because Hill probably won’t produce the ISO that KJ did, but this team has a ton of power hitters – Upton, Young, Kubel, Goldschmidt, Roberts (I see his OBP declining in 2011), Drew – that aren’t contact/on-base types. Hill presents a contact/on-base type when he’s right that will provide our plethora of power hitters a solid table-setter in the leadoff or 2-hole that we wouldn’t otherwise have, Willie Bloomquist be darned. For this lineup, a good Hill – and I think Don Baylor will make sure it’s a good Hill – looks like a definite up arrow to me.

Shortstop: Even
I see Drew not being able to man shortstop early in the year, but the team not wanting to ride Bloomquist into the post-season as their everyday shortstop for two years running and making an upgrade at the deadline. A bit of an obscure prediction, but I guess it’s just a hunch.

Third Base: Down
Sorry, RyRo, I don’t see 2011 happening again. That said, I do think a Roberts/Drew platoon could be used to limit some of the damaging effects of Roberts’ likely regression.

Right Field: Up, Up, Upton.
The kid is turning 24. It seems fanboyish to fathom Upton going from superstar to super-duperstar, but we’re not the only ones fathoming it – every D-backs-related piece I’ve read this off-season that mentions Upton contains some form of the phrase “he isn’t even beginning to scratch the surface of his potential.” I wouldn’t trade Upton one-for-one for anybody else in baseball. The only package I’d consider is perhaps a Miami deal centered around both Mike Stanton and Logan Morrision, plus some extra pieces.

Center Field: Down
Reliable as CY has been the last couple of years, 2009 did happen, and CY’s pull-everything approach is exploitable on the outer half of the plate. Every time I see a pitcher give Young a fastball in to absolutely demolish down the left field line, I can’t help but ask myself “did the pitcher use the scouting reports as Kleenex, or am I the only one seeing this?” That aside, the toll of playing 150-155 games a year is going to rear its ugly head eventually. That doesn’t mean CY won’t have a ton of value – ~3.5 wins for his salary is incredible – but chalking him down for another automatic 4-and-a-half seems to be setting the bar too high. Parra will also get some more time in center, and I think he’s vastly inferior to CY out there, but it’s probably a necessary concession to make to keep Young healthy.

Left Field: Even
With Parra alone, it’d probably be a down, but I think Kubel, if used properly, can give this team value. My knee-jerk reaction to the Kubel signing wasn’t one of sheer delight, but at least Arizona didn’t sign someone exactly like Parra to play with Parra out there. We diversified our skill-sets, and can now play match-ups and utilize each player’s strengths while minimizing weaknesses.

Starting Pitching: Down
Better on paper, sure, but we need to realize just how lucky we were with starting pitcher health in 2011. Losing the likes of Galarraga and Duke is great, but any stretches of time missed by Kennedy or Hudson could be devastating. We have stellar prospects to fill in, but they’re no guarantee to deliver value immediately. I don’t expect us to be crippled here, but penning in another 444 innings from Hudson and Kennedy seems too optimistic.

Bullpen: Up
Dan’s gone craaaaaaaaaaazy!!!! Yup, Putz and Hernandez probably aren’t going to be their 2011 selves, but Saito was a brilliant pickup, Paterson still has his curve, we don’t have to deal with outings from Heilman, Duke, Demel, Brazoban, Kroenke, Gutierrez, Esmerling, Mickolio, or Cook. Those nine pitchers combined in 2011 to work 159 2/3 innings – 5 1/3 more innings than our third/fourth-best (depending on the metric you’re using) starter, Josh Collmenter – last year while allowing 94 runs. That’s an ERA of 5.30. Basically, we had J.A. Happ – a dude who was so bad last year he got demoted to the minors by the Astros at one point – festering in the back of our bullpen. This year, we’ll replace those innings with innings from Saito, Craig Breslow, Bryan Shaw, Kevin Munson, and Evan Marshall, guys who I think are better than any of the flotsam we had to use last year. There’s a reason Hernandez was worked so hard last year… the last few guys in our bullpen were atrocious. They aren’t this year.

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by Dan Strittmatter on Feb 3, 2012 10:13 PM EST reply actions  

Pitching

Your comment on the rotation is astute. Everyone’s understandably excited about back end upgrades, but there are looming concerns on the front end. Kennedy and Hudson exceeded historical workloads, and just replicating the level they both pitched at, for that many innings, is simply very hard to do. At any rate, I dont see them combining to go 37-16 again. Neither do I see Collmenter/Saunders replicating 2011 ERAs, although they might reasonably replicate or improve some on W/L. I project a collective regression across those four, with Cahill picking up some but not all of the slack.

The bullpen is better on paper also, but in terms of projecting from a 2011 baseline (ie 94 winz) it’s worth pointing out that your nine-headed vortex of flotsam still went 9-9, and if you mix in the departed Owings, we prudently replaced a bunch of marginal types… who went 17-9!. That’s what these objectively better versions (Saito, Breslow, et al) need to replace…at least in the W/L columns and if high leverage run support is more normalized next year, that’s gonna be a tall order.

In short, I agree the team is deeper and richer in underlying, repeatable talents, but I’m far less certain that will translate into an equal or greater number of wins.

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by Diamondhacks on Feb 4, 2012 1:10 AM EST up reply actions  

Ehh

I’m trying to ignore context/leverage I s’pose when it comes to the bullpen. If the run production is more normalized (i.e. if the 2011 D-backs’ runs don’t all tend to come so late in games), those 2011 W-L records would have been dramatically different to begin with.

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by Dan Strittmatter on Feb 4, 2012 1:36 PM EST up reply actions  

Comments

Second Base: Up seems a little optimistic to me here. I’d probably project even. KJ was still worth over 1 WAR while with us. And Hill was worth 1.6 WAR while he was with us last year. Even if you think there’s marginal added value through diversifying on-base types vs. power types, I wouldn’t expect the total value to be over 3 WAR.

Right Field: I think I’d probably go even here also, though shading up. I just don’t think there’s that much more than he can do this upcoming year. Maybe one more additional WAR. But that’s about it.

Starting Pitching: Maybe I’m being optimistic here, but I just don’t see missed time as being that big of a deal next year. Also, while I think IPK, Collmenter, and Saunders will regress, Hudson should be around even next year, shading up, and Cahill is a huge upgrade over the ridiculousness that constituted our No. 5 starter last year. Overall, I’d go with even here.

Bullpen: I’m really optimistic about our bullpen. I think this is the area where we’re dropping a ton of dead weight. And early usage of our bullpen, can help Collmenter and Saunders be even more effective as starting pitchers. While ‘hacks leverage issues are a concern, I think some of that can probably be attributed to the structure of our wins last year. A lot of our offense simply came late in the game, as opposed to early in the game, and unless you think that’s going to consistently be a problem again next year, I think that’s what shifted the win-loss so much. I don’t see it as being a major issue next year. Bullpen is a huge up for me.

by blue bulldog on Feb 4, 2012 4:36 AM EST up reply actions  

On second base

I think Hill can be a 2.5 win guy if his approach is right. With the context added that we need singles/walks/doubles guys, I think he provides a bit more value.

I think our concepts of “up” are different, considering a one-win change in RF was an “even” for you.

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by Dan Strittmatter on Feb 4, 2012 1:34 PM EST up reply actions  

well

he has a chance to add one-win this year, but also a chance to lose one-win, or two-wins, or three wins. obviously each of those chances are fewer but added up, i’m not sure they are less than his chance to improve.

that’s why overall i think Upton is an even, slightly shaded up.

by blue bulldog on Feb 4, 2012 1:55 PM EST up reply actions  

I guess

I’m going by median, you’re going by weighted mean?

Fair enough.

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by Dan Strittmatter on Feb 4, 2012 3:12 PM EST up reply actions  

As noted
the above analysis assumes perfect health except at short-stop, and the odds are against that

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by Jim McLennan on Feb 4, 2012 1:18 PM EST up reply actions  

Certainly.

I just felt like being strangely specific and whatnot.

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by Dan Strittmatter on Feb 4, 2012 1:30 PM EST up reply actions  

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