Great Things About Arizona
Well, since it's the centennial... Figured it might be kinda fun, to follow up last week's discussion on the best things about being a Diamondbacks fan, to throw out a similar kind of thing about living in Arizona. I asked Mrs. SnakePit for suggestions as to what I should put, but most of her suggestions were, while true, a little Mrs. SnakePit-centric to be honest, e.g. "Mrs. SnakePit cooks for me." We'll take those as read, and instead, go for ones that might have a little more general resonance. I admit there are large chunks of the state which are entirely unknown to me, so the list after the jump will certainly reflect this ignorance.
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Winter. When the rest of the country is shivering its collective butt off, we're wandering round in shorts and T-shirts. This is why we endure the hell which is summer, the glorious six months from October through March. But if you want snow, you just need to whizz up to Flagstaff and you've still got that as well.
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The Grand Canyon. One of the Seven Natural Wonders of the World is located right here in the state. If you haven't seen it - and I know SnakePit Jr. hasn't - then you should go. If you have, then you'll know the word "Grand" doesn't quite do the sheer scale of this justice.
- Sedona. The first time I came out to Arizona, in 1997, the future Mrs. SnakePit took me up there. It wasn't just the scenery there that was stunning, but the drive itself was just as amazing, since I'd never been through a landscape like that in my life.
- Baseball. In all its forms. Arizona is truly lucky, in that we get not just major-league baseball, but a bonus month at the start, in the shape of spring training, and then again at the end, courtesy of the Arizona Fall League. Throw in some solid collegiate action, and there's no better state for the sport.
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Downtown Flagstaff. I love cities that it's possible to get around without driving, in part because this allows us to drink heavily. :) Flagstaff is great for this, with an easily-navigable center that's full of bars, restaurants and other ways to amuse oneself. On the other hand, another plus is...
- Traffic. Specifically the fact that "Gridlock" means the traffic is simply not quite moving at its usual 65+ mph. I've experienced the hell which can be big-city chaos, and the roads in Arizona are an impeccably-planned experience, flowing smoothly 99.9% of the time.
- Saguaros. Okay, they do grow in some places outside of the state, but they are pretty close to uniquely symbolizing Arizona. They seem like they could have come from another planet, they're just so bizarre-looking. And, speaking of extra-terrestrials:
- The Phoenix Lights. There were two incidents that night: the most often-mentioned - largely because they were videotaped - probably were military flares. But the triangular formation of lights seen by much of the state (including Mrs. SnakePit) early in the evening? No clue.
Be interested to hear any other suggestions!
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I grab my tin foil hat!
:-)
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by imstillhungry95 on Feb 14, 2012 10:28 PM EST up reply actions
There are more natural wonders at ASU.
I’m sorry but I’m a dude and my eyes are open.
"Hey, why don't you people watch the game?"-my mom after viewing a wave going around Chase Field.
by Reynolds rapper on Feb 14, 2012 10:21 PM EST reply actions 1 recs
/facepalm
I don’t think that’s restricted to only ASU
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by imstillhungry95 on Feb 14, 2012 10:28 PM EST up reply actions
IAWTL
I agree with this list
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by imstillhungry95 on Feb 14, 2012 10:29 PM EST reply actions
Very good list
I haven’t lived there in about 6 years but whatever..
I think it’s just a really incredibly beautiful state(parts of Phoenix and Tuscon maybe not so much).
I love Arizona, I just wish there wasn’t so many frat boys and conservative Mormons.
"Clearly the Brewers didn't realize that going into Beast Mode raised their testosterone levels."
by tcyoung
Gonna rain all over this parade
Because I can’t wait to move out of Arizona. Hoping to move to Wisconsin or Connecticut within the next few years.
Wear your own fur.
where are you thinking?
Been stuck here 3yrs. Getting out in May though.
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by Red Reign on Feb 15, 2012 12:41 AM EST via mobile up reply actions
Portland would be nice
but if I go to grad school then Eugene is intriguing.
Tomorrow is another day.
Friends of ours just moved there
Opened a cookie shop called “Crumb Together”
Would like to visit Portland, but as a permanent home, I think “Portlandia” has probably ruined it!
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What would Mothra do?"
by Jim McLennan on Feb 15, 2012 10:43 AM EST up reply actions
Portland is ok.
Kind of like a baby San Francisco with only a fraction of the culture. Bend is about the only place I’d live long term. The weather just sucks here. 40-50 degrees and raining for 7 months. Last year we only barely had a summer for a month.
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by Red Reign on Feb 15, 2012 12:10 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
I only visited Portland briefly in the 70s with my dad
it struck me as an oversized logging town without much in the way of upscale neighborhoods, shopping or as you say, culture. Has that changed since then?
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by NASCARbernet on Feb 15, 2012 2:07 PM EST up reply actions
It has the Pearl district now
Which the hipsters abhor, but the area has some good restaurants, shopping, bars, etc. There are some upscale suburban neighborhoods like Lake Oswego though. The one thing that Portland, and Oregon in general, have that is outstanding is the beer. Amazingly wonderful beer.
Overall, Portlandia is a good representation of the city. Hipsters everywhere. My only question is that if being a hipster is mainstream now, are hipsters still hipsters?
The weather outside is weather. - Kunu
Hi,
thanks for the update! I appreciate it.
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by NASCARbernet on Feb 15, 2012 5:51 PM EST up reply actions
Oversized logging town
LOL
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by imstillhungry95 on Feb 15, 2012 3:42 PM EST up reply actions
It's grown up quite a bit
Since the 70s. But then, so has Phoenix.
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by Zavada's Moustache on Feb 15, 2012 5:16 PM EST up reply actions
The weather just sucks here. 40-50 degrees and raining for 7 months.
See, I read that first sentence, but the second sentence just immediately disproves it.
"Anytime you can sign an oft-injured guy to fill a hole that wasn't there YOU MAKE THAT DEAL."
-Clefo
by kishi on Feb 15, 2012 3:52 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
so you like that kind of weather?
Hey, more power to you if you do.
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by Red Reign on Feb 15, 2012 4:50 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
Rain?
what? I don’t know. It might be something to be experienced though. But what is it?
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by NASCARbernet on Feb 15, 2012 5:52 PM EST up reply actions
It's like being in the shower
But colder, and you’re still expected to wear clothes when you’re outdoors.
"Anytime you can sign an oft-injured guy to fill a hole that wasn't there YOU MAKE THAT DEAL."
-Clefo
Haha yeah
Been here my whole life and I am ready to move somewhere where it rains/snows. I want to visit Colorado more because for the short time I was there it simply was amazing. Cali would be nice but I don’t like the cost of living out there.
"If Gortat pulls off a real Dream Shake in-game this year I will shave my head.
Mark my words." Piotr Szczesniak 12/12/11 2:12 PM
Cardinals, Suns, D-backs for life!
I am probably, eventually, on my way out
But that’s mostly for professional opportunity type reasons.
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How do I know you're really soco
and not an alibi?
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by NASCARbernet on Feb 16, 2012 12:27 AM EST up reply actions
Just
post a million ponies and no one will doubt anymore
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by imstillhungry95 on Feb 16, 2012 10:55 AM EST up reply actions
You can find cool things anywhere
but a selection of things I enjoy about Arizona:
-Palm Canyon outside of Yuma. It’s the only place you’ll find native palms in Arizona, and perhaps the greater Southwest.
-The 101. Say what you will about highways, but the system in Phoenix is pretty pimp and makes getting around the larger metro area pretty easy.
-Environment. You can go from the low desert in the southwest corner of the state, to the high desert of Phoenix or Tucson, to the forests and beautiful mountains up north.
-Baseball all year round.
-Colorado River. Canoeing down from a couple days north of Yuma is pretty fun, and relaxing.
-Mr G’s. Yuma people know what’s up.
-Lolo Chicken and Waffles. Phoenix people know what’s up.
-Chimichangas. The only good thing to come out of Tucson.
-They filmed Return of the Jedi outside Yuma.
Tomorrow is another day.
YES
PHX Lolo’s > Scottsdale Lolo’s
Wear your own fur.
by Marc Fournier on Feb 15, 2012 2:10 PM EST up reply actions
This.
A thousand times this.
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by Zavada's Moustache on Feb 15, 2012 5:17 PM EST up reply actions
Lots of great things in Tucson
1. #1 university in the state (Bear Down!)
2. Pima Air & Space Museum
3. Arizona-Sonora Desert Museum
4. Biosphere
5. San Xavier Mission
6. Sonoran Hot Dogs
7. Mt. Lemmon
8. The Shelter
9. Sun rising over the Catalina Mountains and setting over the Tucson Mountains
10. Actually being able to smell the rain in the desert
~Tommy~
When you refer to the "#1" university in the state
you are of course referring to urination, right?
Changing planes in Acapulco, we are flying down to Rio...
by NASCARbernet on Feb 18, 2012 9:46 PM EST up reply actions
well I guess you should blame
your lack of comprehension on your schooling then….
I used to be disgusted, now I try to be amused....
Read it again...
he said all he ‘heard,’ not all he comprehended. Semantics, semantics…
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by NASCARbernet on Feb 19, 2012 12:04 AM EST up reply actions
traffic?
Things change since I left in 2009? Used to take me an hour and 15 to get from the 10 and Ray to my office off the 51 and Indian School.
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by Red Reign on Feb 15, 2012 12:44 AM EST via mobile reply actions
It is still the same
Bad traffic on the 51 and 101 near the Phoenix area. It is pretty bad down in Tempe too haha.
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Mark my words." Piotr Szczesniak 12/12/11 2:12 PM
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I like Jim's list
I might add access, by which I mean younger, more flexible institutions, as well as a reasonable cost of living. Especially in the city. Growing up in the northeast, it delights me how easy it is to access goods and services here, whether it’s shopping, health care or moseying downtown to fix a tax problem.
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I've lived in Texas my whole life.
I enjoy Phoenix, based on the times I’ve visited though. Seems like a neat place to live. As hot as it is, though, it’s even hotter where I live (the humidity makes it SO much worse).
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by Stupendous Man on Feb 15, 2012 1:19 AM EST via mobile reply actions
Love Arizona
I am rare in that I’m a fifth generation Phoenician, and I love this state.
From the aforementioned excellent weather to the great outdoors, this state is awesome.
One a personal note i think Arizona has some of the best hunting around. Be it mule deer or elk, we got a good thing going for us.
"I could have been king, but in my own way I am king. Hail to the king baby." Ash from Army of Darkness
Fifth generation?!
Cool – when did your relatives move here?
by Craig from Az on Feb 15, 2012 10:19 PM EST up reply actions
I miss Arizona
Born and raised in Phoenix. Lived there for 35 years. Been in DC for the last three years. After living here, I now appreciate:
- Open spaces. You can see for miles in AZ.
- Warm, dry weather. No humidity and warm weather. If I want a cold day, i can go to the mountains for a short trip.
- Mogollon Rim. I miss this the most. Such a beautiful view from the Rim Road. Spent many weekends as a kid in this area. Love to fish the lakes there.
- Baseball. There are always baseball games. Can’t find that in DC.
There are many more, but these are the highlights for me.
I dont hunt
or camp or anything, but a dozen years ago a friend and I, and our small sons, went fishing up on one of those little rim lakes. We didnt catch much, but for about fifteen minutes, a massive bald eagle circled above our little boat, surveying the lake, before disappearing down to its aerie in the dense forest.
I’m fifty and have seen some cool stuff, but that’s still one of the highlights of my life.
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by Diamondhacks on Feb 15, 2012 2:40 PM EST up reply actions
God I hate it here in the DC area
But we will be moving back to Arizona when the time is right (hopefully within a year). Arizona is by far the most beautiful state I’ve ever seen. The mountains surrounding the valley, the sunsets, and the desert landscape is simply amazing. My favorite place is definately Sedona by far. Coming from the east coast and being a football fan, I was always intrigued by watching the old Cardinal games because of the backdrop at Sun Devil Stadium. Just thought that was the most scenic stadium ever and to see it in person, it just blew my mind. Last thing that was nice was not having to mow the lawn. Rocks as grass was so awesome and so non-east coast.
I spend quite a bit of time in the DC area
sure, the region north of the capitol is a bit dodgy, but overall, it’s pretty nice. The area around Dupont Circle, Georgetown, Embassy Row is as nice as anyplace in the world. The restaurants, boutiques, the night life, its all good.
Where's soco?
by NASCARbernet on Feb 15, 2012 10:11 AM EST up reply actions
I SUGGEST
Getting down to Bisbee, and up to Jerome. Both are get places to visit. Artsy towns with great scenery, ghosts, good beverages, and memories.
It’s great that we are less then 2-3 hours away from every different type of scenery or climate except the ocean. (waiting for Cali to fall into the Ocean, the AZ will be greatest place on earth)
Freeze it..and make a popsicle
If I picked anything
It’d be this. Bisbee is probably the neatest city in Arizona. Plus, it’s got a super badass quarry and some worthwhile mine tours.
Jerome, Congress, and Fort Misery are all entertaining post-apocalyptic-type towns.
Wear your own fur.
by Marc Fournier on Feb 15, 2012 2:09 PM EST up reply actions
Plus
home to the oldest baseball field in America
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If true
it’s a fascinating claim, given Arizona’s early population relative to the rest of the baseball playing nation. I imagine it has something to do with Bisbee’s unusual pattern (chronology) of economic growth, and perhaps something to do with AZ humidity being kinder to early wooden stadiums (the stadium was apparently wood before 1930).
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by Diamondhacks on Feb 15, 2012 3:56 PM EST up reply actions
Bisbee
Also has Arizona’s oldest working Brewery. (very good BTW) So i can see the field being az’s oldest as well.
Freeze it..and make a popsicle
Within Arizona
isnt too surprising, because Bisbee was a bustling hub before almost anywhere else in the state. In other words, Bisbee would’ve had assets, like breweries, brothels and ballparks, established earlier than in many Arizona towns. But Warren Park is alleged to be the oldest, continuously operated baseball stadium in the country. There were hundreds, if not thousands, of US ballparks built before 1909, but for one reason or another they were all destroyed or abandoned. Except this one, and the more substantial Rickwood Field (1910) in Alabama.
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by Diamondhacks on Feb 15, 2012 6:20 PM EST up reply actions
What I don't get
is if you want the little white ball so badly, why do you keep hitting it away from yourself?
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by imstillhungry95 on Feb 15, 2012 7:26 PM EST up reply actions
If you play it sometime on a real course
then I’m sure you’ll understand.
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by NASCARbernet on Feb 15, 2012 8:39 PM EST up reply actions
I've never actually played
but that’s just my first impression from watching it
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by imstillhungry95 on Feb 16, 2012 10:55 AM EST up reply actions
Never played a game myself
But I used to go to the driving range a lot when I was in high school. It was a lot of fun.
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by Marc Fournier on Feb 16, 2012 4:00 PM EST up reply actions
If it wasn't so hot
the valley would be the perfect area. A good amount of things to do, tons of baseball, and amazing road system (I didn’t appreciate it until after I’ve gone around to other cities… wow). My only complaints are all environment related… blistering heat, lack of green and water. Boooooo deserts. I guess you can’t have everything, though.
Goldy Watch: 48 games, .250/.333/.474
amazing road system (I didn’t appreciate it until after I’ve gone around to other cities… wow)
I had the same impression when I moved to WA. People complain about sprawl in the valley, but the flipside to that is that we have some of the best infrastructure in the country for getting people around the metro area (provided they have a car, of course).
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by Zavada's Moustache on Feb 15, 2012 5:20 PM EST up reply actions
Roads
I have lived in Los Angeles and Seattle, and have spent a lot of time in San Francisco. Living in those places would make anyone passionately love the Phoenix road system.
Seattle's roads
are so terrible. I would feel sorry for the people living there if it wasn’t such a great city.
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Another thing
Monsoon season. Wet Desert is always something to behold.
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One word:
Haboobs
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by imstillhungry95 on Feb 15, 2012 7:26 PM EST up reply actions
The aroma of the desert
following a soaking rain is one of nature’s great delights. Especially if there’s creosote present.
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by NASCARbernet on Feb 15, 2012 8:42 PM EST up reply actions
Been here for 30 years and love it
Not only is Arizona great (Grand Canyon, White Mountains, Paria river, Oak Creek, Mogollon rim, sky islands), but we are a one day drive from great places in Utah, Colorado, New Mexico, California.
Summer heat is no big deal unless you let it be. Sure, I don’t go hiking or biking at 3:00 in July, but I can at 5am or 7pm.
That's a really good point about the heat
in general, one can do outdoor activities in the early morning during the summer.
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by NASCARbernet on Feb 15, 2012 10:43 PM EST up reply actions
I love Arizona
When I moved to Seattle initially I was in love with the rain and all the greenery. But, then I started to miss the desert.
I love the desert landscape. I love the warmth. The dry air. I really love the geography here. My parents live in Prescott. I have friends in Tucson and Flagstaff. It is such a beautiful state. I love the Rim, and the Grand Canyon. Sedona is breathtakingly beautiful.
Those Stupid "Phoenix Lights" again?
At the time, New Times interviewed a teenager who was using a telescope in his back yard. He said that when he focused on the “lights,” he saw that they were on a formation of straight-winged aircraft. Since he was interested in only astronomical observations (or at least that what he told his mom!) he stopped watching them.
What he described sounded to me like the Royal Canadian Air Force Snowbirds aerobatic team, which was in the western US at the time, performing at air shows. Whether it was that group or not, it is interesting that none of the many “extensively researched” programs about the lights has EVER mentioned this (boring) explanation.
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Nope
A huge single craft, much larger than an aircraft carrier, with spotlight bright lights moving silently south from Lake Pleasant. I know the difference between an aerobatic team and a technology that is beyond anything found in any Air Force hanger. Sorry you missed it.
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by NASCARbernet on Feb 16, 2012 11:07 AM EST up reply actions
Nice to hear that you were a first-hand witness,
as you noted, I wasn’t .
My comment wasn’t intended as “I know the truth” but an observation that, in situations like this, “official” explanations are often ridiculed and “ordinary” explanations are simply ignored.
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That one guy's observation
Doesn’t really tally with the thousands of other eye witness reports. I think most Phoenicians are pretty familiar with what planes look like. Also, there was never any corroboration of this claim, which you’d certainly expect if it was an aerobatic team. “Hey, guys, it was us – sorry for any confusion.”
"There's one rule by which I generally run my life:
What would Mothra do?"
by Jim McLennan on Feb 16, 2012 1:56 PM EST up reply actions
Especially
hen you take into account all the publicity they would have gotten when they did that
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by imstillhungry95 on Feb 16, 2012 3:05 PM EST up reply actions
Keep in mind
that this kid was using a telescope (and from what I recall, a fairly sophisticated one for a back-yard astronomer) so his view was much more detailed than naked-eye or even binocular observations. Also, since his claim apparently “died” with the New Times article, the Snowbirds might not have connected “The Phoenix Lights” with what may have been for them a routine flight. I certainly never wrote or called them and asked “could your team have caused those lights?”
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Addendum
I certainly mean no offense to anyone like NASCARbernet and Mrs Snakepit who actually saw the lights first-hand, but the truth of the matter isn’t up for a vote. One day we may learn what the lights were, but to dismiss (or ignore) any sincerely reported observation seems counter-productive to that end.
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Put it this way
to dismiss (or ignore) any sincerely reported observation seems counter-productive to that end.
If one person says they saw an unidentifiable craft, and 10,000 say it was an airplane, what would you think?
Now, reverse those numbers….
The Snowbirds might not have connected "The Phoenix Lights" with what may have been for them a routine flight.
Because, after all, it’s not as if there was massive national and worldwide publicity about the Lights, was there? :)
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What would Mothra do?"
by Jim McLennan on Feb 16, 2012 9:38 PM EST up reply actions
Point #1- if the 10,000 agreed to a reasonable degree on a specific type of “airplane” (such as “straight-winged”, and, let’s not forget “flying in formation”) then I would present this evidence to the one person to refute or corroborate, but not dismiss his observation outright simply because of the sheer numbers against him.
Point #2- Again, no widely disseminated description of the Phoenix Lights ever even hinted at the source being anything but a single large object. To me, it would be entirely plausible that the Snowbirds never seriously considered that their flight formation had been mistaken for a single aircraft-carrier-sized flying object.
RCAF Snowbirds- Defending the World from Extraterrestrials!
No offense taken
had I not seen it for myself, I would have been just as skeptical.
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by NASCARbernet on Feb 16, 2012 9:47 PM EST up reply actions
The lights are fun and interesting
to the extent some of them may still be officially unexplained, but I’ve seen no evidence that they’re technologically amazing or alarming. Which is pretty low standard for an allegedly fantastic craft to meet, given “it” hovered over a large metro for a considerable length of time.
While it’s not clear exacly what the various sets of lights were, it’s very clear from the videos I’ve seen what they were not: a single craft with symmetrically spaced or ‘equidistant’ beacons. This appears to be more of a political mystery than a technological or cosmic one.
Reporters asked the Phillies' skipper how his pitcher had managed to injure himself in his sleep. "I don’t know," Manuel said. "I didn’t sleep with him."
by Diamondhacks on Feb 16, 2012 8:47 PM EST up reply actions
I think almost all the video was of the second event
Which I’m almost certain was flares – the clincher was a computer study which found that the lights “vanishing” matched when they would have dropped down behind the mountains.
The first event, however, is the one that does intrigue me. I don’t necessarily think it was extra-terrestrial, to be sure. If I’d to come up with an explanation, some kind of psyop? Very interesting two-part article, providing both witness testimony and discussing possible explanations. I note this section from the latter piece:
"There's one rule by which I generally run my life:
What would Mothra do?"
by Jim McLennan on Feb 16, 2012 9:51 PM EST up reply actions
I had numerous contacts with Major Jeff Young, Chief Flying Instructor for the Snowbirds. He told me the following: "we could find no record of our jets going cross country in that time frame. We can’t find anybody in our operation who could have been responsible for the lights that people saw."
"There's one rule by which I generally run my life:
What would Mothra do?"
by Jim McLennan on Feb 16, 2012 9:52 PM EST up reply actions
Excellent link
It doesnt sound to me that Canadians had anything to do with this. ‘Snowbirds’ sounds more like an Ops metaphor, of visitors from “the North” (ie Nevada or the sky) descending upon Arizona.
I was struck by how many Phoenicians saw a solid craft whereas rural viewers generally saw stars between the lights. At first I assumed it was because stars are typically harder to discern in the city, but there may’ve been something else ‘turned on’ – a deceptive image of some kind – over the metro specifically.
More generally, the case these craft were actively soliciting reaction seems strong to me, what between Hale-Bopp and tracking interstates – although the interstates also happen to approximate the shortest distance between various bases.
Reporters asked the Phillies' skipper how his pitcher had managed to injure himself in his sleep. "I don’t know," Manuel said. "I didn’t sleep with him."
by Diamondhacks on Feb 16, 2012 11:27 PM EST up reply actions
Gotta read every post before replying!
I’m glad someone asked them (I’m embarrassed that I never bothered to do so.)
RCAF Snowbirds- Defending the World from Extraterrestrials!
the variety of things to do
If you like the outdoors, there’s the hiking, hunting, fishing, boating, skiing to be had at the multiple state and national parks that offer a wide variety from Karchner caverns and a unique caving experience to the awesomeness of Montezuma’s Village and the Anasazi cliff dwellings.
the quality of those special attractions, places like the Arizona/Sonora Desert Museum or Kitt Peak Observatory to be compared with rarities like Meteor Crater and Canyon DeChelly. You can even go birding in Madera Canyon or watch waterfowl @ Cibola.
The Canyon is reachable or we can even play the Kitschy tourista by hitting the skywalk, the ghost towns of Oatman and Jerome or a shootout in Tombstone for those who like hot lead with their history. For those who prefer their history up front and personal, you can even visit the old cemetery at Fort Apache or the “historic” battlefield at Picacho Peak.
and I’ve got three paragraphs going without even mentioning Oak Creek Canyon, London Bridge, Sunset Crater, college sports or the weather… fun can be had just about on any level, it’s just a matter of determining what is “fun” for you. If you’re looking for ideas, just go check out an Arizona Highways magazine somewhere.
I used to be disgusted, now I try to be amused....

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