D-backs To Re-Sign LHP Joe Saunders
by Dan Strittmatter on Jan 17, 2012 4:58 PM EST
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PrintJust when he was all but forgotten, it appears that Joe Saunders is - somehow, someway - going to be an Arizona Diamondback in 2012. The southpaw has reportedly agreed with the D-backs on a one-year contract after the team non-tendered him earlier in the off-season, having found the free agent market underwhelming despite posting 3.69 ERA in 212 innings for the D-backs in 2011. Yahoo!'s Steve Henson first reported the deal on Twitter, and ESPN's Jim Bowden seemed to confirm the signing on his Twitter account as well.
CBS Sports' Jon Heyman is now reporting on Twitter that Saunders will earn $6MM in 2012, a $500,000 raise on the $5.5MM Arizona paid him in 2011, and a steep cut from the $8MM or so he could have earned through arbitration. Nick Piecoro has also confirmed these details on Twitter. I think the lesson to be learned by all is never to say never with D-backs GM Kevin Towers. Having said that, I'm going to guess - ill-advised though it may be - that this is the final piece added to the club on a major-league contract for the 2012 season, with every spot on the roster seemingly accounted for.
One of the major implications of the signing is that Arizona's 2012 payroll is now approaching $80MM, a level it hasn't been at since 2003, according to Cot's Baseball Contracts (now a part of Baseball Prospectus). According to Piecoro, the D-backs ownership - spearheaded by Ken Kendrick and Derrick Hall - approved an increase in team payroll over their previous plans in order to find room for Saunders. This marks the second time in three years that Kendrick and Hall have done so for a one-year veteran free agent signing, as D-backs fans may remember them previously approving an increase in payroll during the Josh Byrnes Era in order to make room for the signing of first baseman Adam LaRoche.
Barring an injury, Saunders should fill in the fifth slot in the Arizona rotation that will also feature Ian Kennedy at the top, Daniel Hudson in the #2 slot, Trevor Cahill at #3, and Josh Collmenter just ahead of Joe - as Piecoro points out, Collmenter did start Game 3 of the NLDS ahead of Joe, so it's reasonable to expect him ahead of Joe in next year's rotation. This also means that Arizona's pitching uber-prospects, Trevor Bauer and Tyler Skaggs, are currently penciled in to head back to the minors for 2012, joining a plethora of depth that includes the likes of Wade Miley, Charles Brewer, Patrick Corbin, and Barry Enright.
With the rotation now full and two stud prospects in line to be the first called up from the farm in the event of a rotation hole, it be interesting to see how many of these prospects are considered as relief options as the 2012 season gets underway. Miley, in particular, has been labeled as a potential power lefty reliever before, and left-handed relief is very difficult to come by - Miley would certainly offer a quality third option behind Joe Paterson and Craig Breslow, and likely is a safer bet than Mike Zagurski or Jason Lane.
And, of course, a lovely helping of crow served up courtesy of April.
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Well..
It looks lyk we are all safe from the wrath of which they call Rockstar…
Believe it or not.. I PISS SEDONA RED!
Hey, I'm cool!
And a very happy girl :)
I miss you Bazooka Joe!!!
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by Rockkstarr12 on Jan 17, 2012 8:37 PM EST up reply actions
Confused by this
The Colon deal made sense, as he had to the upside to be better than in house options at a relative bargain. Is resigning Joe really better than the 220 innings we could put together from say, a half season of Miley and a half season of Bauer? For the 6 million he’s making, I highly doubt it.
Where have you gone, Greg Colbrunn?
Again, two in a bush
et cetera. Miley has been mediocre at best in his few starts, and while I have no doubt that Bauer will crush, there’s a long road between being a fresh rook and a seasoned, reliable veteran pitcher. This deal makes a lot of sense. Joe knows the team, knows the system, and had a sub-4:00 ERA, for heaven’s sake.
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by NASCARbernet on Jan 17, 2012 5:51 PM EST up reply actions
i'd bet you
that he doesn’t have a sub-4 ERA next year though
by blue bulldog on Jan 17, 2012 5:52 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
On what basis
do you imagine that he won’t be nearly as effective? Less Parra in left field?
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by NASCARbernet on Jan 17, 2012 7:16 PM EST up reply actions
Less Parra defense will definitely hurt.
Though only being under a 4.00 ERA twice in his career is a more likely reason.
Where have you gone, Greg Colbrunn?
by SenSurround on Jan 17, 2012 7:37 PM EST via Android app up reply actions 1 recs
Here's the problem
with that reasoning: it applies if and only if seasons are connected. If seasons are independent of one another, then the pat moneyball analysis fails. To an extent, seasons do seem to run into one another – nagging injuries, limits in talent, et cetera, but absent those factors, seasons are independent, which entails that players can actually shed past seasonal performances and (gasp) trend upward in performance. And thank goodness for that, otherwise why play the damned games?
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by NASCARbernet on Jan 17, 2012 8:24 PM EST up reply actions
Moneyball analysis?
Not sure what that means in this case. Nor why you think I’m trying to assume playing the actual games doesn’t matter. On the contrary, playing the games means everything, and over the course of Joe Saunders playing games, his ERA has more often than not been over 4.
I don’t think it’s ridiculous to say that a guy who’s been over a 4.00 ERA the large majority of his career is likely to project another over 4.00 ERA. Sure, for all I know, sure, he could be trending upwards and have another season like he had this year. He could be doing stuff in the offseason that I have no insight into that will help him be better this year. That is a definite possibility. I just don’t see that as a likely option given the evidence that I have to work with, the body of evidence that is his previous career numbers.
I’m all for playing the games, and you have no idea how bad I want Joe to prove me wrong this year, as I’ll take DBacks wins over me being right any day of the week. But since it’s January and we’re all just dorks on the internet guessing what’s gonna happen, this is the best we can do.
Where have you gone, Greg Colbrunn?
this
“I’ll take Dbacks wins over me being right any day of the week”
i wholeheartedly second this
by blue bulldog on Jan 18, 2012 4:56 PM EST up reply actions
Parra will be
Joe’s designated left fielder.
Insanity: Doing the same thing over and over and expecting a different result.
by sonic barracuda on Jan 18, 2012 12:40 AM EST up reply actions
In all likelihood, yes
Just the way that McDonald could be Cahill’s designated shortstop.
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by Dan Strittmatter on Jan 18, 2012 1:47 AM EST up reply actions
i will seriously only believe this when i see it
this seems all too “revolutionary” for the likes of KT/Gibby
by blue bulldog on Jan 18, 2012 9:42 AM EST up reply actions
Anytime a player has a career year past his 27th birthday
He’s not likely to repeat it. Not impossible, but not likely. Just the way things happen. Still, he’s effective and a bargain.
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by Dan Strittmatter on Jan 17, 2012 7:40 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
I agree
but very few 5th starters put up ERA above 3.
"Clearly the Brewers didn't realize that going into Beast Mode raised their testosterone levels."
by tcyoung
most 5th starters
have a higher ERA than 3
:P
by blue bulldog on Jan 18, 2012 9:43 AM EST up reply actions
What the hell was I saying?
I meant in the 3’s
"Clearly the Brewers didn't realize that going into Beast Mode raised their testosterone levels."
by tcyoung
yeah i figured
just messing with you lol
by blue bulldog on Jan 18, 2012 4:56 PM EST up reply actions
I just can't agree
Miley had 7 starts last year and didn’t get great results, I agree. But we have a whole career’s worth of numbers that already tell us Saunders is mediocre and last year’s success doesn’t outweigh his career history. Why be expensive and mediocre when we could be cheap and mediocre, with the possibility to be better than mediocre?
If you can guarantee me we get 2011 or 2008 Joe Saunders and not rest of career Joe Saunders, that’s one thing, but I just don’t trust that to happen.
Where have you gone, Greg Colbrunn?
Career ERA of 4.15?
Not bad. Better than what I’d expect from a full season of Miley.
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by Dan Strittmatter on Jan 17, 2012 6:06 PM EST up reply actions
but
not better than what i’d expect out of 8 Miley starts and 24 Bauer starts
by blue bulldog on Jan 17, 2012 6:07 PM EST up reply actions
I'm unimpressed with Miley
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by NASCARbernet on Jan 17, 2012 7:16 PM EST up reply actions
More safe
Than relying on Bauer and his single-digit number of starts above A-ball. We want safety. If Bauer’s kicking tail around mid-season filling in for someone, and said person returns from injury, then we can trade someone to fill a hole if we have it.
We’ll have injuries. This isn’t a perfect-world situation where five starters are going to cut it.
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by Dan Strittmatter on Jan 17, 2012 7:45 PM EST up reply actions
Dude you may have nailed it
Joe is almost the perfect candidate to get flipped at the deadline if we are feeling a glut in the rotation. If any number of the prospects are making serious noise, flip Joe and his reasonable contract.
This may be a great move indeed.
Where have you gone, Greg Colbrunn?
by SenSurround on Jan 17, 2012 7:54 PM EST via Android app up reply actions
this is KT we're talking about
if we Saunders is doing well (the premise of flipping Saunders), and we choose to flip someone at the deadline, it’s going to be Bauer or Skaggs, not Saunders
by blue bulldog on Jan 17, 2012 9:31 PM EST up reply actions
This is my biggest concern
KT trades hot prospect pitchers for a rent-a-hitter at the all-star break
by Craig from Az on Jan 17, 2012 9:48 PM EST up reply actions
I'm still shocked he sent Jarrod Parker packing!
Welcome Back Bazooka Joe!!!
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by Rockkstarr12 on Jan 17, 2012 10:26 PM EST up reply actions
Yeah
we actually got something back
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by imstillhungry95 on Jan 18, 2012 10:14 AM EST up reply actions
sad face at truth
"Slump? I ain't in no slump. I just ain't hitting." Yogi Berra
by njjohn on Jan 18, 2012 7:48 AM EST via iPhone app up reply actions
In this case
That average ERA is deceiving. Joe has never pitched anywhere near that number for a season, and has either been a half run better or worse. 5 seasons of 4.60 Joe and 2 seasons of 3.60 Joe.
Not like I’m saying he won’t pitch to his average or better, I just don’t trust him to replicate his 2008 or 2011 seasons again, which are the only two years holding his numbers in respectability. If you could guarantee me he’s sub 4.20 next season, sign me up, I just would not take that bet.
Where have you gone, Greg Colbrunn?
And don't get me wrong
In a vacuum I think this is a solid move. I just don’t like it for this team this season. I think we have way too many internal options with no realistic way to even attempt to use them. Unless we’re planning a flurry of trades, the depth seems wasted.
Where have you gone, Greg Colbrunn?
well said, Sen
Not a bad move in a vacuum, just not a great move considering the big picture.
"Slump? I ain't in no slump. I just ain't hitting." Yogi Berra
by njjohn on Jan 18, 2012 7:50 AM EST via iPhone app up reply actions
And he's in the NL West
Rather than the AL West. His time with the D-backs on the whole has been impressive, and I don’t think it’s completely coincidental.
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by Dan Strittmatter on Jan 17, 2012 7:46 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
Collmenter started in the minors last year and look at how many games he started with the Dbacks.
It is far more likely that Miley, Skaggs and Bauer ALL get called up sometime during the season due to injuries or ineffectiveness than not. The Dbacks have used at least double digit starting pitchers over the last several seasons. There is simply no reason to expect them to be “blocked”, this just buys them time in the minors…
True this.
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by NASCARbernet on Jan 18, 2012 4:00 PM EST up reply actions
At least we get to delay Bauer's and Skaggs' clock
and they will only get more seasoned in the process.
"Clearly the Brewers didn't realize that going into Beast Mode raised their testosterone levels."
by tcyoung
That's how I see it
This buys them time with Bauer and Skaggs. They can see how they’re coming along in the spring and down on the farm and pull the one up that appears most ready when/if they’re needed.
Well, that was a surprise
Kevin Towers, the man of a thousand somethings. Looks like he got this one right, in terms of non-tenderage.
Man, our rotation is pretty deep. If they match their Career ERA+ numbers, every guy will be above 100:
1. Ian Kennedy (113)
2. Daniel Hudson (128)
3. Josh Collmenter (117)
4. Trevor Cahill (107)
5. Joe Saunders (103)
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What would Mothra do?"
by Jim McLennan on Jan 17, 2012 5:17 PM EST reply actions 1 recs
So totally this
This really takes some pressure off the kids to develop their games naturally, and if anyone in the deep rotation struggles, they have the uncomfortable knowledge that a certain Mr. Bauer is chafing at the bit…
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by NASCARbernet on Jan 17, 2012 5:53 PM EST up reply actions
I see what you're saying
But in my mind this is yet another KT move of paying money to replace an internal cheaper option who could have put up similar performance.
"Slump? I ain't in no slump. I just ain't hitting." Yogi Berra
by njjohn on Jan 18, 2012 7:54 AM EST via iPhone app up reply actions
I'm not so sure
about the ‘similar performance’ point. In these times, a sub 4.00 ERA is an unusual quality in a starting pitcher.
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by NASCARbernet on Jan 18, 2012 4:01 PM EST up reply actions
i actually think it's the exact opposite
offense has been trending down the last few seasons
most NL teams (9 out of 16) had their entire team’s starting pitching ERA below 4 last year
so actually, i might be wrong above. Saunders might actually have a higher than 50% chance at posting a below 4 ERA. but so do some of our prospects.
by blue bulldog on Jan 18, 2012 5:00 PM EST up reply actions
If offense is trending down
one wonders if sterioid use is likewise trending down?
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by NASCARbernet on Jan 18, 2012 7:30 PM EST up reply actions
Yeah, all those pitchers on steroids
were driving up league scoring……
wait… I’m confused.
The worst major leaguer is better at baseball than I'll ever be at anything I ever do in my life.
not sure what to think about this...
steroids do not help you make contact with the ball. not sure scoring is the best example to look at, if that were the case then is every NFL QB doing steroids this year since many had huge years throwing the ball, bigger than ever before? This sounds more like a trend to me, without looking at or knowing anything about the numbers. The only number I think could be a sign of steroid impact is dipping individual power numbers for amongst healthy individuals (but even that could be based on age)…
Actually
it seems steroids do sharpen hand eye contact.
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by NASCARbernet on Jan 19, 2012 7:02 PM EST up reply actions
I give up on KT
Saunders really would not have been any better than the production provided by the prospects, and those prospects would not have cost $6MM. Saunders isn’t a long term option either, and the more experience you give Bauer/Skaggs/Corbin/Miley, the better. Stupid, stupid signing. Collmenter would have to fail miserably in spring
by CaptainCanuck on Jan 17, 2012 5:27 PM EST via mobile reply actions
experience
don’t those prospects get experience in the minors as well? With their service time clocks not running? Making it so the their years with the big club are more sure to be their “prime” years?
by Counsellmember on Jan 17, 2012 5:49 PM EST up reply actions
at this point
i’m not sure if we will ever see Skaggs or Bauer pitch in the majors
right now, if we are in a close first or second place around the trade deadline, and it looks like we have a hole to fill on offense, we will likely be cash-strapped. that means the only solution would be to trade top prospects for rentals.
think Wheeler for Beltran type deals
by blue bulldog on Jan 17, 2012 5:51 PM EST up reply actions
The point is
KT wants these guys to duke it out, and earn a spot in the rotation, period.
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by NASCARbernet on Jan 17, 2012 5:59 PM EST up reply actions
Yeah
Not like a team ever needs more than five starters in a season.
Yeah, we had injury/fail issues in the #5 slot last year, but the lack of injuries in our front-four was miraculous. I wouldn’t want to bank on it happening again. Kevin Towers doesn’t, either, apparently.
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by Dan Strittmatter on Jan 17, 2012 6:07 PM EST up reply actions
That is my thinking also...
Injuries are part of the game. Also, I’m not sure Collmentor will pitch as well as he did last season. Not saying he will fail next year. I’m just not sure I am going to put all my hope on him repeating his performance from last year.
by DiamondbacksWIn on Jan 17, 2012 6:25 PM EST up reply actions
I highly doubt Collmenter will repeat his performance of last year.
I think he could get lit up a second time round.
"Clearly the Brewers didn't realize that going into Beast Mode raised their testosterone levels."
by tcyoung
So, it's off to the bullpen with him...
the worthless git…blah, blah, blah.
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by NASCARbernet on Jan 18, 2012 12:27 AM EST up reply actions
I said could
"Clearly the Brewers didn't realize that going into Beast Mode raised their testosterone levels."
by tcyoung
Hudson could get lit up, too
or anyone for that matter.
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by NASCARbernet on Jan 18, 2012 4:02 PM EST up reply actions
Hence,
Pitching depth is a good thing to have around.
Ian, Daniel, Josh, and two Trevors: It's not a Christian rock group.
by Zavada's Moustache on Jan 18, 2012 4:56 PM EST up reply actions
Yes
a team cannot have enough good and experienced arms.
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by NASCARbernet on Jan 18, 2012 4:58 PM EST up reply actions
A miraculous lack of injuries
Is one of the reasons the Giants succeeded in 2010. However, they didn’t build any depth into their 25-man roster and when injuries returned to their normal level last season, it was one of the reasons they fell apart.
I repeat, over the past three seasons, Arizona has averaged 11 different starting pitchers. No-one in the NL has used just five for over 45 years.
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What would Mothra do?"
by Jim McLennan on Jan 17, 2012 6:39 PM EST up reply actions
This is a solid point
KT not pulling a Sabean is a good thing.
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by Dan Strittmatter on Jan 17, 2012 7:46 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
Yes, there's no way we use only 5 starters all year.
I’d say we at least use 6 or 7.
"Clearly the Brewers didn't realize that going into Beast Mode raised their testosterone levels."
by tcyoung
hey hey
don’t ever suggest such a thing again…
by CaptainCanuck on Jan 17, 2012 7:16 PM EST up reply actions
hey hey
don’t ever suggest such a thing again…
by CaptainCanuck on Jan 17, 2012 7:16 PM EST up reply actions
yeah, but
you shouldn’t create log jams like this. I was ok with Colon, ok with Saunders, just not at this price. If our starting five play at least half decent, who’s losing their spot if Skaggs and Bauer show they have nothing left to learn in the minors?
by CaptainCanuck on Jan 17, 2012 7:15 PM EST up reply actions
It's also Trevor Bauer's 21st birthday today
D’aww… Poor guy just about had his chances of starting the year in the majors thrown into a shredder.
by CaptainCanuck on Jan 17, 2012 5:28 PM EST via mobile reply actions
How so?
Why are you so certain that he doesn’t take a starting spot from one of the above pitchers?
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by NASCARbernet on Jan 17, 2012 5:54 PM EST up reply actions
Don't think it'll happen
IPK, Hudson, and Cahill are extablished big leaguers, Collmenter’s coming off of a great year, while Saunders is being the highest paid out of all of them.
by CaptainCanuck on Jan 17, 2012 7:13 PM EST up reply actions
So, why worry?
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by NASCARbernet on Jan 17, 2012 7:17 PM EST up reply actions
Where did he ever say
anything about worrying?
by AzDbackfanInDc on Jan 17, 2012 8:46 PM EST up reply actions
Oh, I'm so sorry
he seemed worried. Thanks for speaking for him, though.
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by NASCARbernet on Jan 17, 2012 9:26 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
It being his 21st birthday
He can throw himself in the shredder for a night to forget about his worries ;)
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Not an exciting move, but prudent.
Just when we were saying our goodbyes to Saunders, he’s back. Since Colon evidently turned down KT’s offer, signing Saunders makes sense. No reason to rush Bauer or Skaggs. Specifically Bauer…we don’t need another Andrew Miller situation. Let him start the season in the minors, and earn his way up.
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by Stupendous Man on Jan 17, 2012 5:33 PM EST via mobile reply actions 1 recs
Yes
and he may yet prove ready in Spring Training, and find his way in the rotation after all. If not, he can further develop his craft in AA or AAA and be truly ready when he is needed.
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by NASCARbernet on Jan 17, 2012 6:00 PM EST up reply actions
On one hand:
On the other hand… see the first hand
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by Clefo on Jan 17, 2012 5:37 PM EST reply actions 1 recs
Building competition
Towers and Gibby are fans of making players work for their playing time. Infield, outfield, bullpen and now the starting rotation. There are certainly a number of players that are a lock to start the season, but very few (Upton and Montero) who don’t have someone breathing down their ass should they not produce.
If we could start the off-season over and know we had a payroll of 80M I don’t think this is how I’d do it, but I can’t argue that this same technique seems to have worked out just fine in 2011.
note
I regret mixing metaphors there. Should say “breathing down their necks” or “on their ass”.
by Counsellmember on Jan 17, 2012 5:48 PM EST up reply actions
Not that there's anything wrong with that
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so......
Joe Saunders + Jason Kubel = $13.5 million
we could have tried to sign Beltran. we could have tried to sign Reyes. we could have tried to sign Rollins. we could have tried to sign Kuroda.
heck, if we were really trying to go for it this year, we could have even tried to sign C.J. Wilson, or posted for Yu Darvish
and before you say “well, Saunders is only committed to one year”, how confident are you that KT won’t just spend any excess savings on players like Saunders/Kubel each year for “insurance”?
Well, if you don't like it
there’s always the Mets…
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by NASCARbernet on Jan 17, 2012 5:54 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
Its complex
it means if he doesn’t like the Diamondbacks, he can always support the Mets.
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by NASCARbernet on Jan 17, 2012 5:57 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
Ohh right
I forgot there was that provision in that highway bill that made it so that sports fans couldn’t be unhappy with any of their team’s moves.
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by Clefo on Jan 17, 2012 6:08 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
On the bright side
It will make Sports Talk Radio disappear.
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it's funny that you mention this though
because the Mets are apparently recruiting 1L’s for their in-house legal
it’d probably be a really cool place to work for a summer
by blue bulldog on Jan 17, 2012 6:11 PM EST up reply actions
Just DO IT!!!!
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by NASCARbernet on Jan 17, 2012 7:18 PM EST up reply actions
Post 1L summer work
is a lot of fun, actually. My happiest law school memories were from my summer clerkship in a county court room in California. Its a more relaxed atmosphere, the supervising lawyers will generally treat you nicer than the profs did during that first year.
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by NASCARbernet on Jan 17, 2012 7:25 PM EST up reply actions
yeah
i’d really like to
it’s just that i think half the law students in the city probably want to as well
by blue bulldog on Jan 17, 2012 9:33 PM EST up reply actions
The Prestige of the Arizona Snakepit
will carry you to the next level…
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by NASCARbernet on Jan 17, 2012 11:14 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
That's definitely the risk of employing KT as GM.
He loves his veteran depth signings. He also loves to then proceed to start them over younger guys.
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by Stupendous Man on Jan 17, 2012 5:56 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
And I like it.
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by NASCARbernet on Jan 17, 2012 5:57 PM EST up reply actions
I like it in this case.
But in other instances, not so much.
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by Stupendous Man on Jan 17, 2012 6:05 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
Me too!
I miss you Bazooka Joe!!!
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by Rockkstarr12 on Jan 17, 2012 8:34 PM EST up reply actions
I would have been cool with Kuroda for 10 million
but Beltran, Reyes, Rollins, and Wilson HELL NAH!!
"Clearly the Brewers didn't realize that going into Beast Mode raised their testosterone levels."
by tcyoung
Beltran >>> Kuroda
For only one more year? Yeah, I’ll take that upside.
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by Dan Strittmatter on Jan 18, 2012 1:48 AM EST up reply actions
I didn't think we needed another outfielder
We don’t need Beltran and we certainly don’t need Kubel.
We weren’t even considering another OF until KT made that atrocious signing.
"Clearly the Brewers didn't realize that going into Beast Mode raised their testosterone levels."
by tcyoung
Beltran
did not sign a 1 year contract. He’s awesome, but he’s risky for multiple years.
Kuroda >>> Beltran
by Counsellmember on Jan 18, 2012 11:25 AM EST up reply actions
Beltran is a clear upgrade if healthy
And having Parra makes his riskiness less detrimental to the club. Even in 100 or so games, you could get 3 wins or more per year. For $12MM per? That’d be awesome.
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by Dan Strittmatter on Jan 18, 2012 11:32 AM EST up reply actions
But
Kuroda has averaged more than 3 WAR each year. He would have been cheaper and on a one year deal, minimizes risk of injury.
If it was Beltran or Kuroda for a year at similar money, I’d take Beltran, and pay some extra. But at 3 years the risk outweighs the benefit for me.
by Counsellmember on Jan 18, 2012 1:38 PM EST up reply actions
3 years?
Beltran signed for 2. That’s the whole point for me. Same length as Kubel.
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by Dan Strittmatter on Jan 18, 2012 3:33 PM EST up reply actions
oh....oh
my bad. But I thought the comparison was to Kuroda, who is only one year. But, yeah, 2 would be better than 3.
by Counsellmember on Jan 18, 2012 4:02 PM EST up reply actions
amen to that, bulldog
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by njjohn on Jan 18, 2012 8:02 AM EST via iPhone app up reply actions
I've said before that I'd have loved a Beltran move
And I still would have. He’s incredible. That kind of bat doesn’t come around often. But that’s more of a qualm with the Kubel move than this one. I also don’t quite have the kind of access to Beltran’s medicals that the D-backs staff does, so I’m operating with a spreadsheet, and am willing to entertain the possibility that I might not know everything. :)
A year ago, Julio Teheran was a top-10 prospect in all of baseball despite being just 20 years old, had done really well in Double-A the year before, and was considered truly elite. He moved to Triple-A in 2011 rather than join the big-leagues full-time, and let’s face it, I wouldn’t have been too confident translating his peripherals to the major leagues for an extended period of time if I were in a playoff hunt. Bauer and Skaggs will don D-backs uniforms. I’ll bet it happens for at least one, probably both, in 2012. We’re not going to need just five starters in 2012, even if we have a solid quintet to start the year. Guys regress, guys get hurt, guys can’t find their mechanics, shit happens. This isn’t burying them. What it does, more accurately, is bury the guys just below them.
The tier I’m referring to is Wade Miley, Patrick Corbin, Charles Brewer, and Barry Enright. All perfectly nice guys. A couple of them have some solid upside as pitchers, and could even be starters. A couple of them could make really good relievers. No offense to any of them, but none of them should receive more than an occasional spot start on a team with playoff aspirations in their rookie years. Joe Saunders isn’t replacing Bauer and Skaggs, he’s replacing these guys. For $6MM. For one year. A guy that has a good chance to give you 200 innings and should give us somewhere around a 4.2 ERA – and that’s a low-ball projection – for $6MM is a heist. It’s highway robbery. It’s probably the most patient Kevin Towers has been this off-season, and it’s paid off handsomely.
Phenomenal move.
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by Dan Strittmatter on Jan 17, 2012 6:05 PM EST reply actions 5 recs
I am in (I hope there's crash cart handy)
complete agreement, and could not have said this better. This is now a very tough pitching rotation and bullpen.
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by NASCARbernet on Jan 17, 2012 7:21 PM EST up reply actions
If good Joe shows up
You’re absolutely right.
Where have you gone, Greg Colbrunn?
by SenSurround on Jan 17, 2012 7:43 PM EST via Android app up reply actions
I don't think his fluctuations are as much a product
Of some year-to-year Jekyll/Hyde act he’s pulling off. Remember, full seasons are inherently arbitrary endpoints. Year-to-year fluctuations – even significant ones – are often simple randomness.
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by Dan Strittmatter on Jan 17, 2012 7:49 PM EST up reply actions
But thanks
For a new post idea. :-)
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by Dan Strittmatter on Jan 17, 2012 7:49 PM EST up reply actions
Eh I dunno
I dunno man. Good Joe and Bad Joe look like more than small fluxes, especially since Joe has spat in the face of dips logic his whole career. And I really don’t buy the arbitrary endpoints logic when discussing whole seasons. Sure a guy is who he is more or less, but if dramatic non injury changes for better or worse happen, its often during the offseason.
Where have you gone, Greg Colbrunn?
by SenSurround on Jan 17, 2012 8:02 PM EST via Android app up reply actions
Well I'm going to write something up about it
We’ll see. :-)
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by Dan Strittmatter on Jan 17, 2012 8:05 PM EST up reply actions
And, if good Joe doesn't show up
I suspect he could be replaced by some hotshot righthander waiting in the wings. What’s the worry?
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by NASCARbernet on Jan 17, 2012 8:26 PM EST up reply actions
That's a rec. I couldn't have said it any better.
Miley, Corbin, and maybe Brewer were the favorites for the 5th spot, not Bauer and Skaggs. The FO is going to want to delay those guys if they’re not greatly needed. It makes perfect sense. You get potentially an extra year from both guys, who could eventually be 100 million dollar pitchers. It also puts them closer to the post Kennedy or Hudson era-Archie Bradley lead rotation.
What do you think will be better, 2012 Bauer and Skaggs or 2013 Bauer and Skaggs? I see no reason why 2013 Bauer and Skaggs wound’t be better.
Man! I don’t see any down side to this, Well done KT.
"Clearly the Brewers didn't realize that going into Beast Mode raised their testosterone levels."
by tcyoung
I think Good Joe...or as I call him, Joe Cool...
WILL show up this year! last year wasn’t entirely his fault. There were games he did a great job in but lack of offense killed him…
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there was also
that terrible stunker he threw in the playoffs
by blue bulldog on Jan 17, 2012 9:35 PM EST up reply actions
You'd be surprised, unfortunately :(
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by Rockkstarr12 on Jan 17, 2012 10:27 PM EST up reply actions
Good Joe showed up last year.
His numbers were very solid. I agree that he has a good shot at delivering another good season.
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by Stupendous Man on Jan 17, 2012 10:49 PM EST via mobile up reply actions 1 recs
This!
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by Rockkstarr12 on Jan 17, 2012 10:57 PM EST up reply actions
NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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by Reynolds rapper on Jan 17, 2012 9:32 PM EST reply actions
I am OK with this
Saunders/Collmenter/Bauer/Skaggs for 2 rotation spots (plus injury insurance) makes me feel good. This rotation is SO MUCH better than what we started with last year, and the potential is it only gets better as the rookies come on.
My only qualm is my inherent distrust of KT handling young player (he seems to hate all rookies). I could easily see him flipping a Bauer or Skaggs at the All Star break for a “rent a hitter” to put the D-Backs over the top in 2011. And I would MUCH rather keep our stud young pitchers. I wasn’t thrilled with trading Parker, but would be even more upset if we traded Bauer or Skaggs.
by Craig from Az on Jan 17, 2012 9:56 PM EST reply actions 1 recs
We would need to be talking about quite a player for Bauer and Skaggs to be involved in trade talks. I wouldn’t mind getting Ryan Zimmerman or Evan Longoria, to man third for us, though…
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by Stupendous Man on Jan 17, 2012 10:47 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
wasn't Collmenter a rookie of the year candidate?
Didn’t Goldie start the second half of the year at first? Both rookies. Throughout the season anything can happen… It is illogical to think that the starting five now (if they even are the same five after spring training) will be the same five going into the all-star break…
Yes, but
The team did everything possible to keep from bringing up Goldie (Nady, Miranda, Branyan). Only when they had no other choice did they bring up Goldie.
Same for starting Collmenter – Gallaraga, Duke, Heilman were all given shots before Collmenter.
I just think KT doesn’t trust rookies. Which may not be all wrong, depending on who you are trusting instead (see the list above)…
by Craig from Az on Jan 18, 2012 12:55 PM EST up reply actions
Collmenter wasn't exactly heralded
He also made just one start at Reno before getting called up, and lots of people had pegged him as strictly a reliever. Can’t blame KT for that.
As for Goldschmidt, let’s remember he struck out 161 times in Hi-A in 2010. I can understand the desire to keep him down a bit longer.
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by Dan Strittmatter on Jan 18, 2012 1:20 PM EST up reply actions
So you don't think KT has more than an average GM bias toward's veterans?
by Craig from Az on Jan 18, 2012 8:15 PM EST up reply actions
He does
But it’s not because they’re veterans, it’s because they’re safe and he’s extremely risk-averse. It’s also why he does things like trade Jarrod Parker for Trevor Cahill (not exactly what I think you have in mind with the word “veteran”, which I think is simply being used as a substitute for “old people”, though I could be wrong). He has a realistic view of prospects – they can provide unexpected success at a cheap cost, but they’re hugely risky and should shouldn’t be relied on too heavily.
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by Dan Strittmatter on Jan 18, 2012 11:34 PM EST up reply actions
He loves spreading out the risk between a couple of players
instead of just leaving it all on one huge signing. And if it works out with only a couple of veterans he gets lauded. If not, no worries since they were only worth a couple million.
"We’re going to turn this team around 360 degrees." –Jason Kidd
Hence no really big losses,
unless one adds up the smaller ones,
minimal big gains,
and logjams.
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Cahill would qualify as a "veteran" for this discussion (IMO)
Maybe “proven” would be a better term. Although it seems to me that KT discounts old age almost completely.
Agree with your statement about prospects being risky. I can’t count how many “can’t miss” prospects do bomb out completely. I grew up in Kansas and still remember all the hype about Clint Hurdle when he came up.
by Craig from Az on Jan 20, 2012 1:11 PM EST up reply actions
welcome back, Joe
always fun watching him roll up double plays. straight clinical.
by ptoulon on Jan 17, 2012 10:49 PM EST reply actions 1 recs
True this.
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by NASCARbernet on Jan 17, 2012 11:15 PM EST up reply actions
Agreed ;)
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by Rockkstarr12 on Jan 19, 2012 8:53 PM EST up reply actions
How many of Micah's wins were started by Saunders in'11?
And where is the best place to look it up?
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by PR151 on Jan 17, 2012 11:17 PM EST via Android app reply actions
Zero.
He cleaned up for
Collmenter on June 9th against Pittsburgh, Duke on June 13th against Florida, Marquis on August 9th against Houston, Kennedy on September 13th against the Dodgers and lastly, Parker on September 27th against the Dodgers.
He did however get the win in the playoffs while mopping up for Saunders.
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If so, MiLB deal
IIRC, roster completely full if you include Shaw/Paterson.
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by Dan Strittmatter on Jan 18, 2012 1:49 AM EST up reply actions
I like him as our 5th starter.
If you all remember in July last year, he carried this team. In 6 starts he went 4-1 with a 2.18 ERA. After looking through his game log, he went less than 5 innings only once in the regular season. That is what we need in the back end of this rotation. $6MM may seem like a lot when we have some minimum salary guys in AAA (Miley, Enright, Brewer) but they are unproven. Who knows what we’d get from a whole season from them. But what we do know is Joe Saunders will be throwing 200+ innings of 4.00 ERA in a Dbacks uniform.
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by blank_38 on Jan 17, 2012 11:42 PM EST reply actions 1 recs
This!
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by Rockkstarr12 on Jan 17, 2012 11:56 PM EST up reply actions
4 is a bit optimistic
But still possible, I s’pose.
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by Dan Strittmatter on Jan 18, 2012 1:50 AM EST up reply actions
Well in Joe's defense
His ERA during his 1+ seasons here is a 3.85, even with his subpar K-rate. And I see no reason that he shouldn’t continue to get lucky especially when he faces the drums of the National League.
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by blank_38 on Jan 18, 2012 12:27 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
You know what's crazy?
A year ago, there was talk that Saunders might begin the season as our opening-day starter. And now, coming off of a GOOD season, he’s in a fight to even crack the rotation.
Having pitching depth is fun.
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by Zavada's Moustache on Jan 17, 2012 11:48 PM EST reply actions 2 recs
Although this signing
Does kind of ruin my sig…
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by Zavada's Moustache on Jan 17, 2012 11:49 PM EST up reply actions
To be fair those people that were considering Saunders for the opening day starter
are idiots.
"Clearly the Brewers didn't realize that going into Beast Mode raised their testosterone levels."
by tcyoung
Yeah, but
It wasn’t clear this time last year that Kennedy was that much better than Saunders. I wouldn’t have been at all happy if Saunders had been named the opening day starter, but I wouldn’t have been astonished either.
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by Zavada's Moustache on Jan 18, 2012 12:07 AM EST up reply actions
But most of the debate was Hudson or Kennedy
Hudson was way ahead of Saunders from the dominant perfomance of 2010 he put up.
"Clearly the Brewers didn't realize that going into Beast Mode raised their testosterone levels."
by tcyoung
He, uh, regressed a bit though
he still needs a put-away pitch to go to the next level.
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by NASCARbernet on Jan 18, 2012 12:28 AM EST up reply actions
It wasn’t clear this time last year that Kennedy was that much better than Saunders.
yikes. dont let the webmaster hear you say that :-) Kennedy was destined for greatness the moment Gibby knighted him “OPENING DAY STARTER”, which means finishing fourth in Cy Young and bWAR (sixth in fWAR) is worth a B+.
Or something.
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by Diamondhacks on Jan 18, 2012 1:52 AM EST up reply actions
I'm just happy that
I’ve didn’t have Jim as my college professor…
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by Zavada's Moustache on Jan 18, 2012 2:20 PM EST up reply actions
"I've didn't have"
“I didn’t have” or “I’ve never had.” Choose whichever one you prefer when reading that comment…
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by Zavada's Moustache on Jan 18, 2012 2:21 PM EST up reply actions
D- for grammar, must try harder.
"There's one rule by which I generally run my life:
What would Mothra do?"
by Jim McLennan on Jan 18, 2012 4:24 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
Oh, good - I haven't got to use this for a while
"There's one rule by which I generally run my life:
What would Mothra do?"
by Jim McLennan on Jan 18, 2012 4:29 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
I think that horse is still breathing
Better keep at it.
Where have you gone, Greg Colbrunn?
I know another dead horse here
it has to do with this silly Collmenter to the pen thing.
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by NASCARbernet on Jan 18, 2012 4:57 PM EST up reply actions
It may not have been clear at this time
But it was abundantly clear by Opening Day. Saunders barely made the rotation
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What would Mothra do?"
by Jim McLennan on Jan 18, 2012 4:29 PM EST up reply actions
This is true
but he eventually MADE the rotation by providing a rock solid 3rd-4th starter position.
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by NASCARbernet on Jan 18, 2012 4:36 PM EST up reply actions
Always sort of thought
That was an empty threat. Heilman was older, was guaranteed less money, and had an established track record of being better in the bullpen than Saunders. There was no reason, outside for a couple weeks of meaningless poor performances in March, why Heilman should have been in the starting rotation rather than Saunders.
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by Zavada's Moustache on Jan 18, 2012 5:00 PM EST up reply actions
And besides
Gibby hates all Catholics or something, so Heilman wouldn’t have made the rotation anyway
#oldmemes
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I don't think Gibby does "empty threats"
If he threatens you with something, in public, you’d better take it very seriously. Besides, ask Galarraga and Duke if being guaranteed money or having an “established track record” as major-league starters helped them keep their rotation spots. Towers has made it very clear, it’s now produce or get out.
I do agree there was a certain “kick in the pants” aspect to it – but for any manager, especially Gibson, to go public with a statement like that is not something usually done lightly.
"There's one rule by which I generally run my life:
What would Mothra do?"
by Jim McLennan on Jan 18, 2012 5:18 PM EST up reply actions
I applaud KT for this
He really hasn’t had much leeway for non-performing players. Outside of maybe Nady hanging around too long with zero production (and a well timed injury allowing Overbay back into the mix) he has consistently cut bait with the waste on the roster. Mind you, it was largely waste he brought in in the first place, but he hasn’t been afraid to show guys the door.
Where have you gone, Greg Colbrunn?
Indeed
In 2010, we had over 800 innings pitched by players at zero bWAR or less. Last year, that figure was down to barely 300.
More on this tomorrow.
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What would Mothra do?"
by Jim McLennan on Jan 18, 2012 5:36 PM EST up reply actions
But he also does
What he think will benefit the team most. Valuing a player’s performance in Spring Training over several years of data doesn’t benefit the team, so in that particular instance it seemed like an empty threat.
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by Zavada's Moustache on Jan 18, 2012 5:36 PM EST up reply actions
I suspect it may have been less about the pure numbers
Than the attitude and approach Saunders was showing. Like I said: a kick in the pants. Would Krik have followed through on it? Maybe, maybe not: we’ll never know.
But if I was a player, I’d think very, very carefully before calling Gibson’s bluff on something like that.
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What would Mothra do?"
by Jim McLennan on Jan 18, 2012 5:51 PM EST up reply actions
Galarraga was cheap
and Duke kept a spot in the bullpen
with the way our pitching is shaping up, our bullpen should look really good. the real test will be if Saunders sucks, do we DFA him or do we let him keep a roster spot
by blue bulldog on Jan 18, 2012 6:24 PM EST up reply actions
Lulz
Totally had forgotten about that…
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by Dan Strittmatter on Jan 18, 2012 1:50 AM EST up reply actions
I'm not a Joe Saunders fan
but he’s a pretty decent 5th starter. It certainly beats Zach Duke from last year( who we were paying almost as much)
We totally fleeced Joe and I’m so glad he didn’t take that 2 year 12 million dollar deal. Which was still a pretty good deal for us IMO.
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by tcyoung
I am so mad
that it isn’t April. Pitchers and catchers report in just over a month!
+1
Football is about over and we’re heading into the dreaded no-man’s land of the sports season when NOTHING is going on except stinking meaningless basketball and hockey games. I simply cannot wait until baseball season every year.
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by sonic barracuda on Jan 18, 2012 12:58 AM EST up reply actions
If Saunders is our 5th starter
I bet he wins 20 games.
by venomfan on Jan 18, 2012 12:51 AM EST reply actions 1 recs
If he were our #1 starter...
He would win 30 games.
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by Stupendous Man on Jan 18, 2012 1:33 AM EST via mobile up reply actions 1 recs
But he'll put up that ERA
With an FIP over 5, just to troll all of us.
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by Zavada's Moustache on Jan 18, 2012 2:22 PM EST up reply actions
6 GIDPs
Per Game.
Where have you gone, Greg Colbrunn?
So if the reasonable argument is
Saunders is worth it for depth against injury, why doesn’t the same argument get made as vociferously for Kubel? Sure, there are better players than Kubel just like there are better pitchers than Saunders. I’m just saying.
Insanity: Doing the same thing over and over and expecting a different result.
by sonic barracuda on Jan 18, 2012 1:00 AM EST reply actions
Because Kubel
Is not as good as Saunders. Plus, major pitcher injuries are FAR more common that position player injuries.
This is pretty apples-to-oranges.
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by Dan Strittmatter on Jan 18, 2012 1:52 AM EST up reply actions
Further,
Parra is not an unproven prospect, Parra does not have any need for minor-league seasoning, and Kubel’s contract is more costly per year and longer than Saunders’.
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by Dan Strittmatter on Jan 18, 2012 1:53 AM EST up reply actions
I know we've been through this discussion before
but Kubel does provide some protection for a Young or Upton injury. If one of those guys goes down then we still have some pop in the middle of the lineup. It’s not a direct comparison to the Saunders argument but it has similarities on the insurance side.
Insanity: Doing the same thing over and over and expecting a different result.
by sonic barracuda on Jan 18, 2012 10:53 AM EST up reply actions
I'm a bit worried that they're going to trade Young now.
He’s due 7,8.5, and 11 in the next three years, and all of our other players are expected to have pay increases. I don’t think our payroll will be able to be in the 100 million dollar range, but that might be where it’s headed. However,next year we could potentially have Montero, Drew, and Saunders all freeing up money, so maybe that discounts some of the worries about affording CY.
I’d rather they extend Montero and then trade CY, because I think catchers like Miggy are so hard to find. They could use Parra/Pollock in CF for a few years until they find something better.
"Clearly the Brewers didn't realize that going into Beast Mode raised their testosterone levels."
by tcyoung
The big question
Is how Parra looks in center field this year. With Kubel in town, Parra will get some opportunities against good righties in center field, and if he can handle it defensively, I bet he’ll take that spot in 2013.
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by Dan Strittmatter on Jan 18, 2012 3:34 PM EST up reply actions
He's got the wheels for sure
Just gotta get more solid on the reads. Hope the team gives him a big fat chunk of ST in center to start the process along.
I bet CY doesn’t finish his current contract here, especially is Parra can handle CF even at an average clip. His contract is incredibly reasonable for a slick CF defender with pop, could get a nice package in return.
Where have you gone, Greg Colbrunn?
Ehhh
His range is adequate, not spectacular. The arm will help. Heck, if Rick Ankiel can be a quality defender in center field, so can Gerardo Parra.
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by Dan Strittmatter on Jan 18, 2012 11:43 PM EST up reply actions
I'm terrified they might trade Young
I just don’t think they brought in Kubel to push Young out. I believe they got him to push Parra out. Not that I’m trying to resurrect that whole debate again, but if the plan is to move Parra into center I guess my only reaction is, “Yuck!”
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by sonic barracuda on Jan 19, 2012 2:09 AM EST up reply actions
Also,
Saunders is getting paid less money for fewer years.
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by Zavada's Moustache on Jan 18, 2012 2:37 AM EST up reply actions
this is
admittedly, a big one
more-so the fewer years
by blue bulldog on Jan 18, 2012 9:52 AM EST up reply actions
I woke the cats up
shouting yoo hoo for April.
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Hannah, you are AWESOME!
So are your cats ;)
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by Rockkstarr12 on Jan 18, 2012 10:27 PM EST up reply actions
Well, I'm a little late for this party.
See if I ever reorganize my room again! I don’t think that this is a bad move… but I don’t think it was a good move either. We shall see. As Jim has pointed no one has used just 5 starters in like 45 years, and then it was the Dodgers, so do we really want to imitate that?
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by imstillhungry95 on Jan 18, 2012 10:23 AM EST reply actions
The Dodgers
45 years ago were pretty good.
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by NASCARbernet on Jan 18, 2012 10:46 AM EST up reply actions
I know
that was just my little piece of dodger bashing for the day ;-)
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by imstillhungry95 on Jan 18, 2012 11:17 AM EST up reply actions
Are you still mad at them
for letting Steve Sax go?
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by NASCARbernet on Jan 18, 2012 4:05 PM EST up reply actions
Poor Steve Sax
Serving all those consecutive life sentences in the NY prison system.
Where have you gone, Greg Colbrunn?
by SenSurround on Jan 18, 2012 4:08 PM EST up reply actions 2 recs
References to that particular Simpsons episode
Always get recs.
Though it’s good to see that Mike Socisa got over his tragic illness.
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I'm glad you clarified this
because I had no idea what Sens was referring to…
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by NASCARbernet on Jan 18, 2012 5:35 PM EST up reply actions
Too bad he couldn't be cellmates with Jim Leyritz
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by Rockkstarr12 on Jan 18, 2012 10:27 PM EST up reply actions
good move kt
Bringing back joe! Saunders is going to have great season!
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by porty99 on Jan 18, 2012 3:57 PM EST via mobile reply actions 1 recs
Anyone thinking
We may see Collmenter move to the pen this year? Since we didnt bring back Owings, Collmenter would be the long relief/1 time through the lineup option. Putting Joe starting at 3-4 to break up the right handers.
Freeze it..and make a popsicle
How about Hudson in the pen?
My reasoning is as good as yours. Collmenter isn’t going into the pen anytime soon. Geez, give it up.
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by NASCARbernet on Jan 18, 2012 4:04 PM EST up reply actions
What,
now you don’t like Hudson?
Hudson>>>>>Collmenter
"Clearly the Brewers didn't realize that going into Beast Mode raised their testosterone levels."
by tcyoung
I don't like his delivery
but he’s generally pretty effective.
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by NASCARbernet on Jan 18, 2012 7:31 PM EST up reply actions
what don't you like about it?
other than his lengthy arm action, he gets pretty good shoulder and external rotation.
I don't like 3/4 sidearm motion
for hard throwers. The pitch flattens out rather than sinks like it does with less talented arms.
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by NASCARbernet on Jan 18, 2012 8:28 PM EST up reply actions
But there's deception
"Clearly the Brewers didn't realize that going into Beast Mode raised their testosterone levels."
by tcyoung
Flat will hit the bat.
It needs to sink (or rise) to miss or cause poor contact.
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you can get away with flat
your control has to be excellent though (e.g. Collmenter)
by superwong18 on Jan 18, 2012 10:06 PM EST up reply actions
The only thing Collmenter has going for him is deception
"Clearly the Brewers didn't realize that going into Beast Mode raised their testosterone levels."
by tcyoung
He put up a 3.00 BB/9 in 500 minor league innings
I highly doubt he puts up a 1.63 bb/9 or lower next year.
"Clearly the Brewers didn't realize that going into Beast Mode raised their testosterone levels."
by tcyoung
right
because young pitchers’ control aren’t suppose to get better. Sure, the walk rate will regress, but I wouldn’t be suprised if it stayed in the low 2s.
by superwong18 on Jan 18, 2012 10:31 PM EST up reply actions
I would
especially if they make him go more than 5 innings every start….
"Clearly the Brewers didn't realize that going into Beast Mode raised their testosterone levels."
by tcyoung
doesnt matter
the fact is that if he did not have good control to go along with his deception he still would have gotten lit up. No pitcher in the majors can get away with a mid-high 80s fastball without locating it.
by superwong18 on Jan 18, 2012 10:41 PM EST up reply actions
Collmenter
has a nice 15 degree down angle on the old bow plane on account of his overhand delivery, making his fastball very, very hard to square up.
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by NASCARbernet on Jan 18, 2012 11:29 PM EST up reply actions
Flat would be horizontal, rather than
vertical movement. In Collmenter’s case the movement is down, not flat, as NASCAR points out below.
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which would make it easy
for a hitter to square up the ball if it wasn’t located. It’s much easier for a hitters swing to match the same plane of the pitch if its moving downward than side to side.
by superwong18 on Jan 19, 2012 10:54 AM EST up reply actions
Not at all
try this. Get a ball, a bat and tee. Place the ball on the tee, and swing at it. You’re likely to hit it squarely. Now. put the ball on a ledge above and have some roll it off and swing on it as it is traveling down and see what happens. Flat is easy to hit. A ball traveling downward is very hard to hit.
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by NASCARbernet on Jan 19, 2012 7:05 PM EST up reply actions
And the most important thing
Is that you’re more than likely going to hit it down.
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by Dan Strittmatter on Jan 20, 2012 4:30 PM EST up reply actions
This is a large reason why
he doesn’t get nearly as many strikeouts as he should get with his velocity.
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by NASCARbernet on Jan 18, 2012 11:32 PM EST up reply actions
He practically throws side armed
"Clearly the Brewers didn't realize that going into Beast Mode raised their testosterone levels."
by tcyoung
because of that huge
arm action, he shows the ball early. Last time I checked that was not deception
by superwong18 on Jan 18, 2012 10:16 PM EST up reply actions
From all of those countless at bats you faced him uhh?
"Clearly the Brewers didn't realize that going into Beast Mode raised their testosterone levels."
by tcyoung
no
actually, all you really need to do is watch him throw. But I guess your right, having any insight or knowledge of baseball requires one to have major league experience.
by superwong18 on Jan 18, 2012 10:44 PM EST up reply actions
Ich bin joking mit sie
"Clearly the Brewers didn't realize that going into Beast Mode raised their testosterone levels."
by tcyoung
my bad
midterms tend to have the ability to make students irrational and moody.
by superwong18 on Jan 18, 2012 10:58 PM EST up reply actions
btw
how was facing Collmenter? Is his delivery really deceptive as they say?
by superwong18 on Jan 18, 2012 10:46 PM EST up reply actions
The back-end of the arm action
Is pretty scary. The whole back-then-stop-then-restart thing can’t be easy.
Still, the guy threw 222 innings last year, so there’s little evidence he’s destined for frailty.
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by Dan Strittmatter on Jan 18, 2012 11:46 PM EST up reply actions
I'm assuming you're talking about Daniel Hudson.
I don’t see the whole “back-then-stop-then-restart” thing, at least in this
Daniel Hudson’s bullpen
Unless it changes during games, it looks like a continuous motion from mitt to release. The only thing I see is its long and loopy.
"We’re going to turn this team around 360 degrees." –Jason Kidd
Unless we're watching different videos
I see a pretty distinct angle there, particularly in the last toss. Big shift in arm momentum, somewhat out of nowhere.
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by Dan Strittmatter on Jan 19, 2012 1:46 AM EST up reply actions
I see the gradual speed out of nowhere.
But I think its pretty natural. His arm acts like a whip, and it puts a lot of pressure on the shoulder joint. But other than that, I don’t see anything wrong in my opinion of course.
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I would disagree (of course)
I see a lot more elbow pressure than with most pitchers. When most pitchers start the rapid acceleration of their arms, it’s while they are at the bottom of their deliveries, with the inside of their elbow facing down and their arm out-stretched. But they rotate at the shoulder 180 degrees to allow them to bend their elbow and bring the ball over their head, which keeps them from having to keep constant pressure on the elbow as they start generating arm speed. As they prepare to release and need maximum arm speed, they re-rotate the shoulder, out-stretch the arm, and let their elbows act as a whip for a brief moment as they release for a well-timed burst of velocity.
With Hudson, the initial 180-degree shoulder rotation (and thus the need for a re-rotation) doesn’t really happen. Most pitchers find themselves in a position where the inside of their elbow is facing almost directly upwards. Hudson barely gets above parallel to the ground because his shoulder doesn’t make that full rotation, so his arm is constantly out-stretched as he generates momentum and force behind the ball. It gives him a) an enormous whip action, b) a ton of velocity, and c) constant elbow-stress.
That’s just what I see. I’m no expert. Additionally, I’ve seen pitchers with horrifying-looking mechanics – far worse than Hudson, i.e. Scherzer – have seemingly-impeccable longevity, while pitchers with crisp, clean mechanics like Carpenter constantly struggle with injuries. There’s shockingly little proof that bad mechanics actually has a direct correlation to pitcher injury.
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by Dan Strittmatter on Jan 19, 2012 12:16 PM EST up reply actions
Define "proof"
bad mechanics leads to arm injuries. Res ipsa.
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by NASCARbernet on Jan 19, 2012 7:09 PM EST up reply actions
I vaguely recall a Tom Tango study on this.
I won’t be able to find it, so I won’t argue this point much.
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by Dan Strittmatter on Jan 20, 2012 4:33 PM EST up reply actions
Collmenter likely has a rotation spot locked
Unless he severely struggles. And with how loaded the pen seems to be at the moment, it seems more likely he’d go back to the AAA rotation than to the pen if said struggles occurs, unless someone in the pen ends up not hacking it. The pen seems pretty locked down itself.
Where have you gone, Greg Colbrunn?
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….uhh it’s too late
"Clearly the Brewers didn't realize that going into Beast Mode raised their testosterone levels."
by tcyoung
I think the rotation is set now
For the start of the year. Anything can (and probably will) happen after that.
by Craig from Az on Jan 18, 2012 8:19 PM EST up reply actions
I think you're right
its set on paper, so the gauntlet is set for Mssrs. Bauer and Skaggs.
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by NASCARbernet on Jan 18, 2012 8:29 PM EST up reply actions
Remember
Collmenter started Game 3 of the NLDS ahead of Saunders. We wouldn’t bring back Joe to move Josh to the bullpen, because we kind of like Josh more.
If someone is moved, my bet’s on Saunders at mid-season. But I highly doubt that happens. Teams in contention rarely find themselves in a position to move starting pitching unless they’re itching for salary relief (i.e. the Phillies’ desperate attempts to dump Joe Blanton) and have an albatross on their hands. Saunders at 1/6 isn’t an albatross.
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by Dan Strittmatter on Jan 18, 2012 11:45 PM EST up reply actions
which is why
i think if we find we are close to contention and we need a position player piece, we’ll probably move Bauer or Skaggs for a rental
that would really really sadden me
by blue bulldog on Jan 19, 2012 12:36 AM EST up reply actions
It's really not happening.
Those guys are worth stars. We don’t have the leftover budget to spend on a star, even for half a year. We’re utterly infatuated with both, Bauer in particular. We have a ton of prospects who are legitimate trade chips that could get the kind of solid, low-key veteran type that KT has a penchant for acquiring anyways.
Just look at Towers’ trade history with San Diego. The highest-profile prospect he’s traded in his entire career is, by a wide margin, Jarrod Parker. And Parker was the third- or fourth-best prospect, and third- or fourth-best pitching prospect, in his system.
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by Dan Strittmatter on Jan 19, 2012 1:49 AM EST up reply actions
Bauer is not going anywhere
and probably not Skaggs, either.
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by NASCARbernet on Jan 19, 2012 7:10 PM EST up reply actions
Get off KT's rear end
He’s not trading those 2. Give KT some credit!! He’s not an idiot !!
by Baseballdad on Jan 19, 2012 6:58 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
This.
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by NASCARbernet on Jan 19, 2012 7:10 PM EST up reply actions
Agreed!
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by Rockkstarr12 on Jan 19, 2012 8:57 PM EST up reply actions
Most of t21h4e
"Clearly the Brewers didn't realize that going into Beast Mode raised their testosterone levels."
by tcyoung
*ahh my cat just jumped across my laptop and stepped on enter
I meant to say
Most of the time he’s not, but the Kubel signing was idiotic.
"Clearly the Brewers didn't realize that going into Beast Mode raised their testosterone levels."
by tcyoung
Well. . . .
that’s your opinion. It’s too early to tell.
Well
Whenever you can spend 7 and a half million a year for a guy coming off injury and is a defensive liability to fill a hole that you never really had in the first place YOU’RE DAMN RIGHT YOU PULL THAT TRIGGER.
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Jarrod Parker takes issue
If I were going to predict the trade of one of our (formerly) four stud pitching prospects, Parker would have been the last one on the list. He has been part of the AZ “family” the longest, came off a serious injury, and has been the only one to actually play with the big club…so I don’t think anyone is ever untouchable, no matter how much we may like to think so.
Nor do I think the possibility of such a trade automatically makes Tower an idiot. Can no one think of a potential trade in which giving up Bauer or Skaggs could be considered shrewd? Off the top of my head, Im thinking of a player with more than half a season of control left on his contract. We got Skaggs in exchange for 1.5 seasons of Haren. We could turn him into something even better now.
Just to be clear, my feeling is that I want to keep them both in almost any situation, because I want to build a team that has a long competitive window. But to claim one avenue or another to winning is idiotic is, well, idiotic. Keep the options open, and never say never…again.
by Counsellmember on Jan 20, 2012 1:37 PM EST up reply actions
Ehhhh
Parker was probably the most expendable of the four. Short-term, we don’t really need pitching, and he’s the least-highly-regarded of the three upper-level guys – Bauer, Skaggs, and Parker. Bradley isn’t on that same timetable, and we couldn’t move him anyways (like Bauer) because they can’t officially be moved until six months after they sign their first MLB contract.
For me, Parker was the first one on the list.
The rest of this post I won’t argue with, but I don’t see us making a mid-season deal for a non-rental player this year. Considering that our shortstop options for 2013 are Willie Bloomquist and John McDonald, plus the fact that we don’t have an everyday catcher penciled in for 2013… I wouldn’t think we’re focusing particularly hard on that season. We’ll probably have to move someone – Hudson comes to my mind – to fill one or both of those slots if we want to be serious contenders in 2013.
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by Dan Strittmatter on Jan 20, 2012 4:37 PM EST up reply actions
i think
either Hudson or IPK pretty much has to get moved after this year in order to fill needs
personally, if IPK puts up another strong year with a low-3 ERA, i’d rather move him, since with the high CY placement he had last year i think he’s more likely to net us a better return (i also think the high CY placement will make him more overvalued in the market)
by blue bulldog on Jan 20, 2012 5:45 PM EST up reply actions
It's also not the worst thing in the world
to have such starting pitching depth that you can give a few of your front liners a skipped start later in the season to keep them fresh and have them dialed in for the playoffs, or even midseason. Adding Saunders gives that option if most of the guys stay reasonably healthy.
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by sonic barracuda on Jan 19, 2012 2:15 AM EST reply actions
Quick Question
I may be wrong, but we didnt resign blanco correct? Who is gonna be our backup catcher, AAA guy? or ?
Freeze it..and make a popsicle
It was a big thing, too
the champagne flowed. Oh wait, that was my birthday. Sorry.
But seriously, I’m glad he’s coming back.
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by NASCARbernet on Jan 19, 2012 7:11 PM EST up reply actions
Me too
I think Henry did a great job in 2011, despite limited playing time. I think he helped not only mentor Miggy but the bulklpen guys as well. I think he’d make a great coach someday.
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