Diamondbacks 2, Dodgers 4: In Which Goldschmidt Fails To Strike, Twice
Record: 93-67. Pace: 94-68. Change on last season: +28.
I might have mentioned this before, but: "Meh." It would certainly have been nice to win this game, especially as the Brewers lost and it would have set us up for home-field advantage in the post-season with two games left. However, Daniel Hudson's early game struggles resurfaced with a three-run vengeance, and the Diamondbacks just couldn't get the hit they needed, largely failing to capitalize on a pair of bases-loaded, one out situations. Paul Goldschmidt struck out twice on full counts in both such innings. Somewhere, a pair of kittens died.
Daniel Hudson's ERA in the first inning is now 6.00. Daniel Hudson's ERA the rest of the game is now 3.05. Given his next start will be in Game 2 of the National League Division Series, I can't help feeling a twinge of concern about this one, as he started double, walk, homer to Matt Kemp, putting the Dodgers three runs up before he retired a batter, and sending the Dodgers fan across the aisle into a pants-wetting paroxysm of delight. Kemp for MVP? Hard to look at 38 homers, 123 RBI and a .324 average and argue he is other than the best player in the league. But that's not the same thing at all as Most Valuable. With or without him, LA are still a third-place team.
The Hudson we wanted and expected to see, did turn up, albeit a bit late - after Kemp's homer, he retired the next 15 Dodgers in order. He looked very solid in so doing - one wonders if the roof had been closed, the results might have been seven frames of one-run ball from Hudson, as Kemp's shot might not have made it onto the balcony. He walked one, struck out five and reached exactly 100 pitches. A decent tune-up: at least, it'd seem that way, as long as you got caught in traffic and arrived in your seats at Chase a few minutes late.
Unfortunately, the offense could do nothing with Dana Eveland. He's actually a former D-back, though you might have blinked and missed the five innings he threw for us in 2007. Eveland was part of the Haren trade, but has taken a circuitous route to Los Angeles, going via Toronto, Pittsburgh and free-agency. You wouldn't know it, as he retired the first 11 batters faced, before Chris Young singled to left with two outs in the fourth, breaking up the perfect game. However, the only other base-runner to reach before the sixth was Gerardo Parra, who laid down a very nice bunt single with two outs in the fifth.
Third time through the order, as usual, proved...if not quite the charm, at least, a bit better. Hudson blooped a single down the right-field line, Ryan Roberts followed with a hit of his own and, one out later, Chris Young floated one over the infield. Showing inexplicable caution not previously seen, Matt Williams opted not to send Hudson to the plate - perhaps fearing injury. However, that turned out to be Arizona's sole hit with runners in scoring position on the night. Miguel Montero struck-out and, although that was the last of southpaw Eveland, Goldschmidt fared no better against the right-hander out of the Dodgers bullpen., and we left the bases full of D-backs.
After Hudson left, Joe Paterson and Brad Ziegler got us safely through the top of the eighth, and Arizona threatened again in their half, with the help of the Dodgers bullpen, who combined to issue no less than five walks and a passed ball in that inning. However, once again, Arizona couldn't quite manage to get the timely hit they needed. While Montero did work a walk this time, his PA also including a run-scoring passed ball, Goldschmidt struck out with the bases loaded for the second time. A Geoff Blum pinch-hit walk drove in another run, bringing Parra up with the tying run in scoring position. However, he could do no more than fly out harmlessly to left.
We made one final stab in the ninth, a heroic dive to first by John McDonald getting him in under a high throw from the Dodgers. Lyle Overbay then hit into what could have been a double-play, but a hardcore slide from McDonald broke it up - Sean Burroughs had done something similar in the eighth. Inexplicably, Ryan Roberts then tried to bunt, but that simply provided an easy out back to the pitcher, and Aaron Hill flew out to center, ending the Arizona winning-streak at four games. I repeat: meh...

[Click to enlarge, at fangraphs.com]
God of goodness: Chris Young, +15.5%
Sultan of suck: Paul Goldschmidt: -25.0%
Princes of poorness: Parra, -18.1%; Hill, -12.5%
Not bad for an irrelevant game: over 500 comments spread between 32 participant. NASCARbernet claims his second successive top spot - illness not affecting this side of his game! Dan Strittmater and Brian McKinney came in second and third, while also present were: Cardscrazy247, snakecharmer, iheartdbacks, blue bulldog, freeland1787, 4 Corners Fan, Rockkstarr12, azshadowwalker, BulldogsNotZags, The Goat, asteroid, CaptainCanuck, Husk, njjohn, luckycc, hotclaws, oldspartan, dbacks4life, The so-called Beautiful, emilylovesthedbacks, AZDBACKR, soco, DeDxDbacKxJroK, Sprankton, Turambar, Stile4aly, Gibbysdad, UofAZGrad, and Backin'the'Backs.
No comments with more than one rec, so I'll give it to Backin'the'Backs, out of sympathy for what seems like a poor day all around...
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It was a strange game
and you know it’s lackluster when I have the most comments.
"The wise writer, I think, writes for the youth of his own generation, the critic of the next and the schoolmasters of ever afterward." F. Scott Fitzgerald.
Yeah
Don’t get used to it. I’ll be back tonight ;)
Reading: It's highly overrated!
I <3 Vuvuzelas!!!
by imstillhungry95 on Sep 27, 2011 10:39 AM EDT up reply actions
Tonight's game...
is going to be interesting with the debut of a certain Mr. Parker…
"The wise writer, I think, writes for the youth of his own generation, the critic of the next and the schoolmasters of ever afterward." F. Scott Fitzgerald.
by NASCARbernet on Sep 27, 2011 1:35 PM EDT up reply actions
Absolutely
Not looked forward to a debut so much, probably since Max Scherzer…
"We have to resist it. Do whatever you have to. Cross your fingers. Say a prayer. Think of a basket of kittens. But do not give in to the fear..."
by Jim McLennan on Sep 27, 2011 2:40 PM EDT up reply actions
+1
Parker’s debut today….
and then Bauer and Skaggs’s debut next year…..
jeez it’s exciting to have elite pitching prospects debut
by blue bulldog on Sep 27, 2011 2:46 PM EDT up reply actions
Jim
Who’s your MVP? I can kinda tell from your comments that you think the MVP should be on a playoff team (or near playoff team)…
Yeh, you're basically right there.
Ryan Braun, I’d probably say.
"We have to resist it. Do whatever you have to. Cross your fingers. Say a prayer. Think of a basket of kittens. But do not give in to the fear..."
by Jim McLennan on Sep 27, 2011 11:40 AM EDT up reply actions
Fun game last night
even if we didn’t win. It was cool to meet AZDBACR and Sprankton last night at the game.
Reading: It's highly overrated!
I <3 Vuvuzelas!!!
by imstillhungry95 on Sep 27, 2011 10:40 AM EDT reply actions
Goldschmidt not coming through in the clutch?
Oh thats right, he wasnt facing the Giants that night.
Sabean's_Folly:(on why we watch Giants baseball)
"Just accept the fact that you are a masochist, like most of us here."
by DudeDontTazeMe on Sep 27, 2011 12:02 PM EDT reply actions
this is not a kock on Goldschmidt, (a pretty bad ass last name), but a knock on my Giants…why i came here to express that sentiment, i have no idea. Also hope Upton’s helmet did its job and protected that noggin.
Sabean's_Folly:(on why we watch Giants baseball)
"Just accept the fact that you are a masochist, like most of us here."
by DudeDontTazeMe on Sep 27, 2011 12:04 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
Hey
keep your head up about the Giants, Schmidt happens sometimes ;)
Reading: It's highly overrated!
I <3 Vuvuzelas!!!
by imstillhungry95 on Sep 27, 2011 3:33 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
+1
Sabean's_Folly:(on why we watch Giants baseball)
"Just accept the fact that you are a masochist, like most of us here."
by DudeDontTazeMe on Sep 28, 2011 6:22 AM EDT up reply actions
its pretty shocking how well he hits against Lincecum...
too bad we can’t expect that from him against every pitcher. however, we do expect better than two SOs on two bases loaded opportunities….
He has
more PAs against them than any team so far (37), and his OPS vs. ’em is .957. 2nd most is 29 against the Padres, with a .963 OPS.
Not quite as good against the Rockies (.785) or Dodgers (.541), though.
Goldschmidt happens.
Kemp for MVP? Hard to look at 38 homers, 123 RBI and a .324 average and argue he is other than the best player in the league. But that’s not the same thing at all as Most Valuable. With or without him, LA are still a third-place team.
Um, no. Typically, if it were close, I might agree, (nevermind that it’s probably HARDER to perform on a team that sucks, not to mention the LA media market pressure) but Kemp’s the most valuable player, and it’s not close. The end of your quote there is the kicker:
Dodgers: 81-78
Rockies: 72-88
Padres: 70-90
Kemp’s been worth 9.8 rWAR and 8.4 fWAR. If you believe B-R, without Matt Kemp, the Dodgers are 71-88, good for 4th place at best and a game and a half ahead of the Padres. Given that 11.3% of the Dodgers’ schedule so far has come against the Padres, (or 1 in every 8.85 games) it’s reasonable to assume that one of those extra losses come against SD, making them a last place team.
Even if you use fWAR, that puts them at 73-86, 1.5 ahead of the Rockies, and given the same % of games against Colorado, they may well have dropped to 4th.
If it were close, there’d be an argument, but Kemp’s basically lapped the field — Kemp is OVER TWO FULL WINS ahead of Ryan Braun in rWAR, his closest competitor, and 0.7 wins ahead in fWAR. The last time someone in the NL had 9.8 rWAR was in 2004, when Bonds had 12.4 and Beltre had 10.1 — and presumably, Kemp has done it steroids-free. Albert Pujols has only topped 9.8 rWAR once.
Matt Kemp has been far and away the most valuable player this year.
Goldschmidt happens.
I still don't see him getting it
That’s not to say he doesn’t deserve it, I just don’t think the voters are going to give the Cy Young and the MVP to a team that is only in third place
Reading: It's highly overrated!
I <3 Vuvuzelas!!!
by imstillhungry95 on Sep 27, 2011 7:45 PM EDT up reply actions
Maybe, maybe not.
But he SHOULD get it — it’s an individual award, after all.
Put it this way: If we replace Gerardo Parra’s 2.0 rWAR with Matt Kemp’s 9.8, that 7.8 win difference (round to 8) puts us at 101-59, which would pip the Phillies (100-60) for home field throughout the playoffs.
Goldschmidt happens.
You're right
baseball is a TEAM game. Players that make their team better are more valuable than narcissistic individuals bent on producing numbers rather than victories.
"The wise writer, I think, writes for the youth of his own generation, the critic of the next and the schoolmasters of ever afterward." F. Scott Fitzgerald.
by NASCARbernet on Sep 27, 2011 8:03 PM EDT up reply actions
i'm just lost
so you think that whoever wins the NL MVP this year (presumably someone will)
if you had substituted him for Matt Kemp on the Dodgers, the Dodgers would have made it to the postseason?
by blue bulldog on Sep 27, 2011 9:29 PM EDT up reply actions
"Um, no."
There’s basically no difference between a third-place team and a fourth- or even fifth-place team. That’s what Kemp’s actual “value” to his team represents. In other words, close to zero. As noted, while I wouldn’t argue Kemp is the best player in the league, the award is not the Most Bestest Player, and attempts to confuse the two, as here, simply won’t fly with me.
"We have to resist it. Do whatever you have to. Cross your fingers. Say a prayer. Think of a basket of kittens. But do not give in to the fear..."
by Jim McLennan on Sep 27, 2011 9:03 PM EDT up reply actions
it's just a different definition of value
some people add the phrase “in helping bring their team to the postseason” after “most valuable” in MVP
other people add the phrase “in helping increase the amount of wins their team has”
by blue bulldog on Sep 27, 2011 9:30 PM EDT up reply actions
Well, it's all irrelevant anyway, because neither of us are voters.
Like I said, if it was close, I’d take it into account. But it’s not.
I don’t care about the word “valuable”. It’s seen as an award that goes to the BEST player. Just because the Dbacks didn’t make the playoffs the last 3 years doesn’t mean that nobody on the team had any “value”.
It’s an individual award. It’s not the “Most Valuable Team” award — you can’t limit eligibility for what is, by definition, an individual award to how well 24+ other players performed.
You might as well evaluate a pitcher by his Win/Loss record, and that sort of “evaluation” got us Russ Ortiz.
Goldschmidt happens.
by DbacksSkins on Sep 27, 2011 10:14 PM EDT up reply actions
Chris Young floated one over the infield. Showing inexplicable caution not previously seen, Matt Williams opted not to send Hudson to the plate – perhaps fearing injury.
Not just injury, but sending a pitcher home on a floater with the possibility of getting thrown out at home seems like an unnecessary risk with your #4 and #5 hitters coming up and 1 out.
Goldschmidt happens.
Agreed
"The wise writer, I think, writes for the youth of his own generation, the critic of the next and the schoolmasters of ever afterward." F. Scott Fitzgerald.
by NASCARbernet on Sep 27, 2011 8:05 PM EDT up reply actions
Except
Your #4 hitter is hitting left-handers this year at a sub-Ueckerian .195, with a .534 OPS,. and strikes out in close to 30% of his at-bats against them. Now, you can certainly argue whether having Miggy bat clean-up against a LHSP was a sensible move, but given the circumstances, and as events certainly proved, sending the runner would have been wise.
"We have to resist it. Do whatever you have to. Cross your fingers. Say a prayer. Think of a basket of kittens. But do not give in to the fear..."
by Jim McLennan on Sep 27, 2011 9:08 PM EDT up reply actions
And Montero
Has also hit into almost twice as many double-plays as anyone else on the roster.
"We have to resist it. Do whatever you have to. Cross your fingers. Say a prayer. Think of a basket of kittens. But do not give in to the fear..."
by Jim McLennan on Sep 27, 2011 9:25 PM EDT up reply actions
Given your injury mention,
the fact that we’re less than a week from the postseason, and the fact that it was the pitcher running, I still wouldn’t go as far as to say that, “sending the runner would have been wise”.
Goldschmidt happens.
by DbacksSkins on Sep 27, 2011 10:16 PM EDT up reply actions
Dan mentioned on Twitter
that, during his 2 PAs w/ the bases loaded, the Dodgers’ right-handed relievers threw Goldschmidt nothing but fastballs — and he struck out both times.
Scouting getting around on his bat speed issues? :(
Goldschmidt happens.
I thought so
He was either so late that he fouled the balls off to the right field stands, or simply swung and entirely missed. He just didn’t seem at all sharp at the plate though, so maybe it was more that than specific ‘bat speed’ issues. But it’s true that he’s been inside-outing the ball to right field a lot lately. Maybe its for average?
"The wise writer, I think, writes for the youth of his own generation, the critic of the next and the schoolmasters of ever afterward." F. Scott Fitzgerald.
by NASCARbernet on Sep 27, 2011 8:07 PM EDT up reply actions

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Wow that game sucked
and I got a ticket on the way home FML
by Backin'the'Backs on Sep 26, 2011 10:21 PM MST reply actions