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Happy birthday to Ryan Roberts, who turns 31 today. As his birthday, in fact, falls on International Talk Like a Pirate Day, I think this should really put an end to any debates over his nickname. All hail the Dread Pirate!

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Three random baseball questions

And as good a place as any to post them:

1) Why are some positions more “offensively challenging” than others? Why is a home run from your left fielder any better than a home run from your catcher?

2) What’s wrong with admiring your home run? It’s yours, you hit it, why not look at it?

3) Why aren’t we thinking of trading Josh Collmenter for an infield piece?

The last one needs some explanation. We’ve got a guy who is either a #4 starter or is having a career year that makes him look like a #4 starter. Our long-term plans for him are to keep him as a starter for another year at most, then convert him to a reliever when enough starting prospects come up. That seems to me like loss of value. Why not instead resign Saunders as an insurance blanket for next year, then trade Collmenter at the peak of his value for some hotshot infield prospect that we desperately need?

by Nonpartisan on Sep 19, 2011 6:25 PM EDT reply actions  

Not glad you asked, but...

1) Because baseball is a defensive game, and in certain crucial positions, it’s more important to put defensively skilled people than defensively unskilled people. If the defensively skilled people turn out to be hitters, like Ozzie Smith turned out to be at shortstop, then all the better.

2) It shows up the pitcher and makes him feel bad about himself. When a batter shows up a pitcher, the pitcher is obliged to throw at the batters head, rather than simply plunking him on the back. It’s that serious.

3) Baseball is about pitching, not infielders. The Dbacks went the fielder route over pitching before, and were non-entities for two entire seasons as a result.

There, I hope that helps.

"The wise writer, I think, writes for the youth of his own generation, the critic of the next and the schoolmasters of ever afterward." F. Scott Fitzgerald.

by NASCARbernet on Sep 19, 2011 6:50 PM EDT up reply actions  

Those were excellent questions, by the way

"The wise writer, I think, writes for the youth of his own generation, the critic of the next and the schoolmasters of ever afterward." F. Scott Fitzgerald.

by NASCARbernet on Sep 20, 2011 8:23 PM EDT up reply actions  

Unfortunately

I’m about to give you three very different answers….and because of how long it is, i will separate them into three comments

1) This is actually two separate issues in my opinion. First, the easy part. A home run from your left fielder = a home run from your catcher. They are both the same in terms of results and value to your team. The harder part, why are some positions more “offensively challenging” than others? The answer to this relates directly to scarcity. Essentially, some positions in baseball are easier to play than others. Shagging flyballs in left field is relatively easier than fielding grounders at shortstop and throwing them across the diamond to first. Because of this, there are tons of players who can play left field, but very few players who can play catcher or shortstop. Hence, they are premium positions. If there are tons more players, then those positions are going to be more competitive in terms of how much value can be generated. Value can be generated from both offense and defense. What I’m trying to show, is that the average value generated from offense and defense from a premium position in the league, is less than the average value generated from offense and defense from a non-premium position, if that makes sense. In other words, a SS with league average defense and offense is just as valuable as a LF with league average defense and above average offense is just as valuable as a LF with league average offense and above average defense.

being “offensively challenging” is just one facet of a position. in actuality, a more accurate representation would be something like a left fielder is more “value challenged” than a catcher. however, you see a phenomenon in baseball where this “value challenged” nature gets limited to “offensively challenging” as opposed to “defensively challenging” because measuring offense is a lot easier than measuring defense

by blue bulldog on Sep 19, 2011 9:11 PM EDT up reply actions  

Question 2

i don’t see what’s wrong with it at all. i just think of it as a risk assessment. if the hitter wants to admire his home run, go ahead, he just has to assume the risk that he’s going to get hit by the pitcher.

conversely, if the pitcher wants to hit him, he also has to assume the risk that the hitter will run out to the mound and beat the crap out of him/injure him.

by blue bulldog on Sep 19, 2011 9:12 PM EDT up reply actions  

Question 3

this is a slightly complicated question

basically, there is only one maxim you should follow when considering a player. is the player overvalued or undervalued. if he’s overvalued, make the trade. if he’s undervalued, don’t trade. being at the “peak of your value” oftentimes helps in making this assessment, but is not always the same as being overvalued.

unfortunately, Collmenter is one of those exceptions. yes. he is probably at the peak of his value. however, he is probably also undervalued. this is because baseball is still largely driven by the scouting community, all of whom look at Collmenter and don’t see a starter long-term. the baseball community at large probably has a lower assessment of Collmenter’s ability than the actual value we can get from him by keeping him on the team. in this situation, it doesn’t make sense for us to trade him.

Saunders on the other hand, is in probably the exact opposite boat. if he goes out and does well in the postseason, then a lot of teams’ FO’s will probably overvalue him. in such a situation, it would actually make sense to trade Saunders to get more valuable pieces back, and keep Collmenter as the insurance blanket.

the other slight problem with trading anyone right now, is that there isn’t a single “hotshot infield prospect” in the minors that any team would be willing to give back for either Saunders or Collmenter

by blue bulldog on Sep 19, 2011 9:17 PM EDT up reply actions  

We couldn't get an everyday infield prospect for Saunders...

We ought to be looking at minor-league relief candidates IMO.

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by Dan Strittmatter on Sep 20, 2011 1:21 AM EDT up reply actions  

i dunno

our relief depth is actually incredibly good now…

we have Shaw, Cook, Mickolio, Marshall, Munson, and probably Meo. all cheap, all with the potential to be pretty good as a reliever.

in fact….really we have depth everywhere. what we lack are stars on the offense (outside of Upton).

by blue bulldog on Sep 20, 2011 2:04 AM EDT up reply actions  

anyone want or need tickets to tonight's game?

We are sitting elsewhere tonight, so our season tickets are available.
Would love to get $40 each, but will take best offer by 4:30pm…

Section E, Row 16 (10 rows up from visitor’s dugout), on the aisle between E & F.
Face value is $110/ticket, so this is a GREAT deal on some fantastic seats.

Click to see Seat Location

Baseball Weirdo

by AZDBACKR on Sep 19, 2011 7:03 PM EDT reply actions  

I'd LOVE to go

but a flight and motel out of BWI would be so costly. Hopefully someone will enjoy them at a steal.

by AzDbackfanInDc on Sep 19, 2011 7:34 PM EDT up reply actions  

Lineups

Arizona
1. Gerardo Parra – LF
2. Aaron Hill – 2B
3. Justin Upton – RF
4. Miguel Montero – C
5. Paul Goldschmidt – 1B
6. Chris Young – CF
7. Geoff Blum – 3B
8. Willie Bloomquist – SS
9. Ian Kennedy – RHP

Pittsburgh
1. Alex Presley – LF
2. Neil Walker – 2B
3. Andrew McCutchen – CF
4. Derrek Lee – 1B
5. Ryan Ludwick – RF
6. Jason Jaramillo – C
7. Pedro Alvarez – 3B
8. Ronny Cedeno – SS
9. Jeff Karstens – RHP

Well there's your problem!

by JoeStock on Sep 19, 2011 9:06 PM EDT reply actions  

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