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The Incredible Development of Gerardo Parra

Gerardo Parra hits the home run heard throughout Dodger Stadium, or its other title, the home run heard by about 73 people.

In the second game of Arizona's three-game set against the Dodgers, Gerardo Parra took a first pitch at his face from left-hander Hong-Chih Kuo while squaring up to try to bunt for a base hit.  After working the count to 3-1 Parra obliterated an offering from Kuo into the right-center field bleachers, his second home run off of Kuo this year in as many plate appearances.  Aside from being kind of a badass moment (and one that Mark Grace thoroughly enjoyed), for lack of a better term, it was also remarkable due to the fact that Kuo has held lefties to a line of .208/.284/.323 over his entire career with just seven home runs, including Parra's pair of bombs in 2011.  Parra had faced Kuo just twice in his career prior to 2011, striking out both times.  The very next day, against perhaps the best left-hander in the National League, Clayton Kershaw, Parra crushed a double in his first (and, for all intents and purposes, only) plate appearance against Kershaw.

Yes, that is one of the sketchiest small sample size comparisons ever concocted, but for a guy who had three home runs in his entire 2010 season, who expected a pair of home runs in 2011 off of one of the best left-handed relievers in the game?  If you've watched a week's worth of D-backs baseball this year, you know that Parra is a dramatically improved player.  Naturally, this begs the question: how has he improved, is it sustainable, and could there be more to come?  Follow me after the break to take a look.

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First, let's begin by starting some of the obvious points of improvement before later diving down behind the surface and seeing how legitimate the improvement really is.  I think the best way to truly appreciate the dramatic improvements in Parra's play is by putting all the numbers side-by-side and letting them speak for themselves:

Note: 2010 full-season stats, 2011 stats accurate through 9/13:

  GP:     PA:     BA:     OBP:     SLG:     wOBA:     wRC+:  
 2010:  133 393 .261 .308 .371 .291 71
 2011:  128 442 .299 .360 .443 .347 113

  BB%:     K%:     ISO:     BABIP:     UZR:     SB:CS:     fWAR:     bWAR:  
 2010:  5.9% 19.3% .110 .322 13.8 1:0 1.1 0.9
 2011:  8.6% 17.4% .144 .352 15.0 12:1 3.5 2.6

By the numbers, Parra has seemingly done everything better in 2011 than he did in 2010, and nobody will debate that point.  At the plate, he's improved his ability to hit for contact, draw walks, and hit for power - all three of the primary hitting skills.  The contact rate is partially because of a spike in BABIP, but Parra has also cut his strikeout rate by nearly two percentage points, so there seems to be legitimate improvement there.  We'll get into the walk rate much more in-depth later on, but for now it's sufficient to say that a nearly three percent spike in walk rate has turned Parra from a hacktastic low-OBP out-machine into the hitter with the 43rd-best OBP in all of baseball among players with at least 400 plate appearances.  The slugging percentage spike of over 30 points is also an enormous leap, and at just 24 years old, there's actually reason to believe that there could be more power left in Parra as he enters his prime seasons.

His defense has been remarkable, and with nearly a two-year sample of UZR suggesting he's worth about a win and a half above average per year in left field.  It's rare to find someone who is legitimately that much more valuable above average at a position - often, one-year wonders (like Franklin Gutierrez's 30+ UZR season) of UZR quickly regress back to just a few runs above-average the following season, as sudden spurts are often the product of small sample sizes, even over the course of an entire year.  If you questioned Parra's 13.8 UZR total from 2010, you were right in doing so, but in 2011 he has managed to prove that that loft total was no fluke, as both the numbers and Parra's routine spectacular plays agree that he has become an absolute weapon in left field.

However, I want to do a bit more with this post than simply state which production-based rate stats of Parra's have gone up this year.  I want to dive into those rates and see whether there are real signs of progress to back them up in the more complex, underlying peripherals.  For example, what should we make of Parra's BABIP spike in 2011?  One of the reasons Parra regressed at the plate from 2009 to 2010 was because his rookie-year BABIP of .346 dipped down to .322 in 2010 - still a significantly above-average total for a big-league hitter, but enough of a drop to cause Parra's batting average to suffer.  With few peripheral skills to support his batting average at the time, Parra's value suffered immensely.

However, take a look at Parra's batted ball distribution by year:

  LD%:     GB%:     FB%:     HR/FB%:     BUH%:  
 2009:  18.3% 52.8% 28.8% 4.7% 20.0%
 2010:  20.3% 51.0% 28.7% 3.7% 33.3%
 2011:  22.9% 47.9% 29.2% 8.7% 45.5%

The trends are pretty obvious.  Parra has steadily generated more consistent loft in his swing as his career has progressed, allowing him to significantly decrease the number of ground balls he slaps on the ground and replace them mostly with line drives, although he is also hitting a few more fly balls this year.  With an increasing line drive rate, it shouldn't be too surprising that he has seen his BABIP in 2011 exceed his career BABIP of .341.  Yes, that career BABIP is enormous compared to the average hitter, but there are reasons to believe it.  The biggest reason to believe it is simply that he's sustained that high figure for over 1,300 plate appearances - we've passed the small sample size threshold by this point.

Additionally, ground ball hitters will typically have higher BABIPs than fly ball hitters, so we ought to expect Parra's rate to be at least slightly higher than a typical big-leaguer's BABIP even without the established history of data.  With his line drive rate continuing to increase over the last few years, there's even more reason to expect that the inflation can be sustained.  If that still isn't enough evidence for you, the slight increase in fly balls hasn't affected his BABIP this year in part because they simply haven't been staying in play.  Parra's HR/FB has spiked significantly in 2011 - in my mind, a product of him working with hitting coach Don Baylor on pulling the ball, which he rarely did before this year - and given that he's all of 24 years old, he ought to be able to keep a HR/FB somewhere in the 8% range through the next few years and into his prime.

I'm not saying that Parra will undoubtedly see his BABIP remain above .350 for the rest of his career - this isn't impossible, but it's certainly improbable for any big-league player.  However, I do think it's fair to expect him to remain at least mildly close to his career BABIP, perhaps winding up somewhere in the .330 range long-term.  If he is able to continue developing his power, patience, and contact skills throughout his early-to-mid-20's and avoid major regression of his skills, that will make for a fantastic hitter.

However, there's also a question as to whether or not Parra's plate discipline improvement is legitimate, or if it's the product of him hitting in front of the pitcher for much of the year.  First, let's take a look at his walk rates by spot in the lineup in 2011:

  PA:     Walks:     IBB:     BB%:     (BB-IBB)%:  
 Hitting 8th  277 24 13 8.66% 3.97%
 Hitting Elsewhere  165 14 1 8.48% 7.88%

Looking just at the "Hitting 8th" row, you might think that all your greatest fears about Parra's plate discipline have been confirmed.  His straight walk rate is significantly elevated, but much of that "progress" appears to be due to over half of his walks in the eighth slot in the lineup coming in the form of intentional free passes.  However, by also taking a look at what he's done elsewhere in the lineup, we see that Parra has indeed seen his unintentional walk rate jump nearly four percent above his unintentional walk rate in the 8-hole.  So, what gives?

This may seem a bit counter-intuitive to traditional baseball logic, but isn't it possible that the eighth spot in the lineup, despite inflating overall walk rate, could suppress unintentional walk rate?  After all, consider the circumstances in which a pitcher would want to intentionally walk the 8-hitter.  The scenario that instantly comes to mind, at least for me, is two outs, first base open, and possibly runners in scoring position.  Outside of the eight-spot, though, those are exactly the types of situations where a pitcher might be more willing to flirt outside of the strike zone and risk an unintentional walk on the off-chance that the hitter swings and junk and bails the pitcher out of that rough situation.  In other situations - i.e. fewer than two outs just in front of the pitcher with first base not open - not throwing strikes and walking the eight-hitter unintentionally is a major mistake, because it guarantees that the pitcher will be able to bunt over the runners and won't kill the rally.

So, in other words, hitting in the eighth spot eliminates many of the situations in which a hitter could have the highest chance to draw an unintentional walk, because the hitter is instead unintentionally walked at those times.  To provide some empiric evidence of this trend rather than relying on suppositions, let's take a look at some other hitters who have spent a lot of time in the 8-hole throughout their careers, and calculate the difference in their unintentional walk rates while hitting eighth and hitting elsewhere in the lineup.

Let's begin with one familiar to Arizona fans, Chris Snyder:

  PA:     Walks:     IBB:     BB%:     (BB-IBB)%:  
 Hitting 8th  1229 155 29 12.61% 10.25%
 Hitting Elsewhere  948 119 3 12.55% 12.24%

What makes Snyder a particularly good example is that even when he was at his best offensively in his career - 2008, his only full season with an OPS+ above 100 - he still spent a lot of time hitting 8th.  Therefore, we don't face possible bias with Snyder hitting eighth early in his career when he was developing as a hitter and didn't draw as many walks, then moving up in the lineup later on when his patience was more developed.  As the numbers clearly show, Snyder drew slightly more walks in the eight spot in the lineup, but dramatically fewer unintentional walks while hitting eighth.

This is far from a significant enough sample to define a correlation - for example, Chris Ianetta has a higher career unintentional walk rate hitting eighth than he does hitting elsewhere in the order.  However, most of Ianetta's time hitting eighth has come this year (and, by extension, very little of his time in other slots in the lineup has come this year) when he has posted by far the highest walk rate of his career.    It could make an interesting study for someone after the D-backs' his favorite team's post-season run ended, though.  ;-)

If we allow ourselves to be duped into viewing this possible correlation as fact, even for just a moment, we find ample reason to believe that Parra's improvement in walk rate is not purely a product of hitting eighth in the D-backs lineup for much of the season.  If his true unintentional walk rate outside of the 8-spot is close to the 7.88% mark he's posted in his 165-PA sample, that would represent a massive improvement in Parra's approach from 2010 to 2011.

To try to validate that ~8% UIBB%, let's see if there are any noticeable differences in Parra's per-pitch plate discipline metrics (FanGraphs.... thank you so much for existing).

  O-Swing%     Z-Swing%     Swing%     O-Contact%     Z-Contact%     Zone%  
 2009  30% 68.7% 49.2% 64.8% 90.1% 49.6%
 2010  40% 69.9% 52.6% 64.8% 92.9% 42.2%
 2011  38% 73.2% 52.2% 68.4% 89.9% 40.4%

For those who aren't super-familiar with FanGraphs' plate approach metrics, here's a quick tutorial on what these mean:

Swing% - Is the percentage of pitches that the hitter swung at.  O-Swing% and Z-Swing% refer to the percentage of pitches swung at that were thrown outside the strike zone and inside the strike zone, respectively.

Contact% - Is the percent of pitches that the hitter made contact with respect to the number of pitches the hitter swung at.  O-Contact% and Z-Contact% refer to the percentage of pitches that the hitter made contact with that were thrown outside the strike zone and inside the strike zone, respectively.

Zone% - The amount of pitches thrown to the hitter that were thrown inside the strike zone as a percentage of total pitches thrown to the hitter.

This trends within this table aren't as clear as those within the batted ball table, but I do still think they're there.  Here's how I interpret the data here: when Parra first got up to the big-leagues, there wasn't much of a report out on him, so pitchers approached him as they approach any other hitter, throwing him plenty of strikes and attacking him.  We all witnessed this as fans when Parra came up and raked from the get-go, getting plenty of fastballs to smack the opposite way.  However, after he had so much success in his first year and scouting reports got around about his swing-happy ways, pitchers dialed back how much they lived in the zone.

Parra was unable to adjust to the increased number of pitches outside the zone in 2010, swinging at a similar total amount of pitches, but finding that many of the pitches that used to be strikes were now dipping out of the zone or spotted a few inches outside.  In 2011, Parra hasn't necessarily dialed down his total swing quota, but what he has been able to do is re-adjust to the increased number of pitches out of the zone thrown to him, becoming more selective as pitchers have thrown him even fewer strikes.

Again, there's always the possibility that the reduced strike total has to do with hitting eighth as often as Parra has this year.  What makes me extremely encouraged among Parra's plate discipline metrics is the increase in Parra's Z-Swing%.  It's easy to argue that Parra's O-Swing% has dropped as a result of simply becoming passive at the plate and not swinging at the increased number of balls thrown his way, but that kind of passivity would result in a similar drop in Z-Swing% (and total Swing%).  However, Parra has actually increased his Z-Swing% in 2011 to a career-high total, while his total Swing% has remained fairly constant from 2010.  To me, this means that Parra hasn't dramatically changed his hitting approach with his lineup position.  Rather, Parra is simply better able to recognize which pitches are strikes and which are not.

The increased Z-Swing% also indicates that his decrease in O-Swing% isn't simply a product of waiting to get walked in the eighth spot of the lineup - he's remaining aggressive at the plate overall, so the decrease in swings on pitches out of the zone from 2010 to 2011 also looks like legitimate progress in his ability to recognize pitches out of the zone.  Additionally, since each individual pitch is a data point, one of the largest benefits of this type of data is that it ought to normalize much quicker than most batting stats for which any single plate appearance counts as at most one data point.  This means that we can be more confident that the conclusions we draw from this data aren't a product of small sample sizes than some of the pure walks per plate appearance data above.

 

Without a doubt, there have been incredible strides made by Gerardo Parra in 2011, both in his improvement offensively and in his ability to prove that his high UZR figure from 2010 was no fluke.  Best of all, perhaps, is that the guy is 24 years old.  If Cot's is to be believed - I'm not sure if it is; I don't know where, but I recall hearing that he'll be a free agent after 2015 -  the club to has control of Parra through 2016, his age-29 season, so we can expect to retain Parra through his physical prime.  For a player that prominent baseball evaluators were saying would never be an everyday corner outfielder as recently as last April, he's turned in an incredible season and looks like exactly that.

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I've said this before

But Parra has been my biggest surprise this year. I spent last season convinced he was terrible but I kind of love him now. I’ve been watching him recently trying to see if I can spot what the difference is (just for kicks, I’m not exactly great at that kind of thing) and it seems like his hip twitch is a lot smaller this season than last. He still using it for timing isn’t rotating his entire pelvis and torso the way he was. I wonder if that helps.

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by luckycc on Sep 15, 2011 4:26 PM EDT reply actions  

You weren't alone

I can’t remember where I read it here, but before the season started, several people were calling left field a giant vortex of suck. I’m kinda glad they were wrong

Reading: It's highly overrated!
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by imstillhungry95 on Sep 15, 2011 4:30 PM EDT up reply actions  

noted that too

His swing looks more short and compact.

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by Muu on Sep 15, 2011 4:41 PM EDT up reply actions  

I absolutely agree

He may not be the prototypical left field slugger, but he’s become a great presence on the team and a really great player. I love seeing how much our impressions of him have changed lately.

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by kishi on Sep 15, 2011 4:47 PM EDT up reply actions  

It's almost a bit like

Parra’s bat plays more in CF, Montero’s Bat plays more in LF, and CY’s bat plays more as a C. We’ve got all the pieces, they just don’t necessarily jive with the positions they actually play.

by SenSurround on Sep 15, 2011 4:51 PM EDT up reply actions   1 recs

I think the mix and match

Is what makes things so entertaining this year.

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by luckycc on Sep 15, 2011 5:15 PM EDT up reply actions  

The big difference IMO

Is that Don Baylor worked with him on how to pull the ball.

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by Dan Strittmatter on Sep 15, 2011 4:56 PM EDT up reply actions  

I like our coaches

They don’t get enough credit.

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by luckycc on Sep 15, 2011 5:03 PM EDT up reply actions  

yeah

i had totally given up on him after last year, and it’s great to see him do so well now

in retrospect, i shouldn’t have been so quick to judge him after last year. i feel like….i pulled a Kenny Williams :(

when Parra was in the minors, he put up pretty good numbers with a very good age-relative-to-league. in addition, at the time in the minors, a lot of scouts thought he had the best pure hit tool in our system. granted our minors wasn’t exactly stacked with hitters when Parra was mashing in AA…..but still. scouts definitely thought he was alright as a prospect.

just goes to show, when young prospects come up and struggle initially, you shouldn’t write them off so quick.

as for the hip-swinging timing mechanism, i still don’t really like it. makes me think the swing is high maintenance. don’t really know how it compares to last year, but i guess if it’s working now, no need to fix it.

by blue bulldog on Sep 15, 2011 5:31 PM EDT up reply actions  

Great work

As a long time lurker and very seldom poster on this site, I appreciate your efforts!

by G Dub on Sep 15, 2011 4:42 PM EDT reply actions   1 recs

Freakin awesome work man

I just hope these really are trends that continue as he develops, which as you showed could be very real. I’d love to see if he could sustain this batting 1st or 2nd for an extended period.

by SenSurround on Sep 15, 2011 4:50 PM EDT reply actions  

the great thing about Parra is his age.

at 24 he’s doing an excellent job and improving his game. I can only wonder what could happen if he can add more power on his swings and the coaching give him a little more confidence for SB attempts.
I can clearly see him with a line of .300 80 R 15 HR +60 RBI +25 SB in the near future for him.

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by Muu on Sep 15, 2011 4:51 PM EDT reply actions  

Not to mention

All the HBP every time he faces the Dodgers.

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by kishi on Sep 15, 2011 4:52 PM EDT up reply actions  

Parra is less than three months older than Justin Upton

I think it’s interesting that both have made huge strides this season, the one in which they turned 24. There are only four players 24 or younger hitting .300 with 400 PAs or more: Parra, Fat Raccoon, Alex Avila and Starlin Castro. Now, obviously BA isn’t everything, but it’s still impressive..

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by Jim McLennan on Sep 15, 2011 6:24 PM EDT up reply actions  

Fat Raccoon is under 24?

I always thought he was older than that…

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by imstillhungry95 on Sep 15, 2011 6:39 PM EDT up reply actions  

Born end of August 1986

So 24 for the majority of this season.

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by Jim McLennan on Sep 15, 2011 7:19 PM EDT up reply actions  

Huh

shows what I know about opposing team’s players

Reading: It's highly overrated!
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Gracie: That's too bad!

by imstillhungry95 on Sep 15, 2011 7:54 PM EDT up reply actions  

the fat raccoon

is really really good

if we had him at 3B…….that would such a stacked young lineup

by blue bulldog on Sep 15, 2011 7:46 PM EDT up reply actions  

that was so interesting to read, thanks dan.

is parra a super-two? and what will his value be during these next few years?

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by blank_38 on Sep 15, 2011 5:20 PM EDT reply actions  

I'm not totally sure

I think he may have just barely missed being super two eligible for this off-season. Which makes me think he’s only under control through 2015…

Cot’s, OTOH, says he will be a super two starting in 2013.

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by Dan Strittmatter on Sep 15, 2011 5:30 PM EDT up reply actions  

Probably just misses it this winter

He will have two years 145 days service time at the end of this year. The last report I read said the cut-off will be two years 146 days.

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by Jim McLennan on Sep 15, 2011 6:30 PM EDT up reply actions  

He's going to be a force to be reckoned with

in the post-season.

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by NASCARbernet on Sep 15, 2011 5:22 PM EDT reply actions  

not sure if the plate discipline metrics

actually describe a higher propensity for walks as you might think

but i think it does show that he’s going to strike out less. most importantly, he’s getting more contact on pitches out of the zone, and he’s swinging at more pitches in the zone. that’s going to have an effect on the strikeout rate.

by blue bulldog on Sep 15, 2011 5:28 PM EDT reply actions  

Swinging at fewer pitches out of the zone

Means more balls. More balls means more walks. No?

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by Dan Strittmatter on Sep 15, 2011 5:31 PM EDT up reply actions  

but

it doesn’t actually show you how it’s different from the “8th-hole” bias

it’s similar to why the zone% doesn’t tell you enough info. part of that is just from the intentional walks. no way Parra swings at those right?

by blue bulldog on Sep 15, 2011 5:33 PM EDT up reply actions  

But he's not swinging at a different percent of total pitches

He’s simply swinging at the better ones. That’s why the fact that the Z-Swing% went up was so encouraging to me – it means that Parra isn’t simply laying off everything because he’s hitting eighth. He’s still swinging away, but he’s just able to swing at better things. Additionally, of all of the pitches he’s seen this year, 52 intentional balls (or fewer, depending on if an intentional walk was called for part-way into a PA) aren’t going to skew the total percentages that much.

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by Dan Strittmatter on Sep 15, 2011 5:40 PM EDT up reply actions  

hm

there’s actually a way to calculate this i think

2010: 1390 pitches, 57.8% out of the zone, so 804 pitches out of the zone. out of those he swung 40.0% of the time, so he swung on 322 pitches out of the zone in 2010. but because he had 10 intentional walks, we should subtract those 40 pitches. in other words, his “true” O-Swing percentage is 322/764 = 42.1%.

2011: 1582 pitches, 59.7% out of the zone, so 945 pitches out of the zone. out of those he swung 38.3% of the time, so he swung on 362 pitches out of the zone in 2011. but because he had 14 intentional walks, we should subtract those 56 pitches. in other words, his “true” O-Swing percentage is 362/889 = 40.7%

hm. so i guess you’re right. he is swinging at fewer pitches out of the zone this year, though the difference is slightly less than the actual percentages shown at fangraphs.

the stats are also a little weird. at the end of the day, a 1.4% difference over the course of 1000 pitches out of the zone is 14 pitches. that seems largely meaningless in a season.

by blue bulldog on Sep 15, 2011 5:51 PM EDT up reply actions  

or actually

maybe it isn’t

since we’re talking about the marginal value of a ball, 14 pitches could conceivably range anywhere between an increase of 0 BB to 14 BB

by blue bulldog on Sep 15, 2011 5:52 PM EDT up reply actions  

Perfect time

To publish this column.

Wear your own fur.

by Marc Fournier on Sep 15, 2011 5:37 PM EDT reply actions  

Parra proved me so wrong.

And I couldn’t be happier about it.

It’s kinda funny, a few years ago I thought he was similar to Felipe Lopez. Talent is there, but didn’t seem to try very hard and wasn’t really in the game. And it’s the complete opposite of how he is now.

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by Jdub220 on Sep 15, 2011 6:24 PM EDT reply actions  

Splits vs. lefites

In addition to all the excellent points Dan hit in his post, Parra’s work against LH Pitchers this year has been much better. OF course he doesn’t see a lot of lefties, but more and more he has gained his manager’s confidence, so the percentage of his PA’s that are coming against lefties has risen a bit. And of course as can be seen in the link below, his results against lefties have been excellent. More power, and more OBP, adding up to an 86 point jump in OPS vs. LHP.

Thats as big a factor as anything else in his overall numbers looking so much better,

Career, year by year vs. LHP

http://www.baseball-reference.com/play-index/split_stats.cgi?full=1&params=plato%7Cvs%20LHP%20as%20LHB%7Cparrage01%7Cbat%7CAB%7C

Note the BABIP vs. LHP only .305. The 4 HR are key…..but Kuo has been terrible all year, not the same guy he was before.

Career year by year vs. RHP

http://www.baseball-reference.com/play-index/split_stats.cgi?full=1&params=plato%7Cvs%20RHP%20as%20LHB%7Cparrage01%7Cbat%7CAB%7C

Note he actually had a small reverse split last year.

One caveat for Parra in projecting his power:

His percentage of hits that go for extra bases is actually DOWN slightly this year, and is well below league avg. I’m not saying he won’t still develop more power as he gets older. But it’s not a given.

http://bbref.com/pi/shareit/XTToh

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by shoewizard on Sep 15, 2011 6:46 PM EDT reply actions  

A few other links and comps on Parra

In the past , whenever I looked for comps on Parra, I usually turned up guys that played a long time ago.

The below link is a VERY selective Play Index. Left handed hitting outfielders in their age 24 season, with a fairly tight range of comparable OPS+, ISO, B.A., , HR%, etc Interesting little list. Going back 30 years, you get Dion James in 1987, and then Chris Coghlan in 09, Denard Span in 08, and Parra.

http://bbref.com/pi/shareit/ttyzm

Here is the same list if I widen the age criteria to 23-25. Still only 7 names

http://bbref.com/pi/shareit/COF6g

And finally here is a career comp list using more or less the same type of criteria, just adjusting the numbers. Lots of ways to play with this of course. I could mess around with Play index all day.

http://bbref.com/pi/shareit/D7MmG

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by shoewizard on Sep 15, 2011 7:35 PM EDT reply actions  

lol

the next Carl Crawford

would be mighty nice

by blue bulldog on Sep 15, 2011 7:47 PM EDT up reply actions  

I wish they had more drop downs

If there were, I would have capped the SB in order to bump him out of there….

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by shoewizard on Sep 16, 2011 12:52 AM EDT up reply actions  

Even a Carl Crawford sans stolen bases would be lovely.

If he can be a consistent 15-20 SB guy (hey, 12 for 13 this year is pretty good), that’s awesome.

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by Dan Strittmatter on Sep 16, 2011 2:20 AM EDT up reply actions  

Hard to go wrong

When the names you’re being comped with include Carl Crawford, David DeJesus, Lenny Dykstra,
Chris Coghlan (before this year happened and stuff…), and Denard Span… holy heavens.

Founder and Chairman of the Hire A Body Double For David Hernandez's Right Arm Commission. A non-profit organization.

by Dan Strittmatter on Sep 15, 2011 7:49 PM EDT up reply actions  

Agreed

I think he will only continue to improve, both at the plate and in the field.

by doyoufeellucky on Sep 15, 2011 10:32 PM EDT up reply actions  

Tim Brown loves Derpshaw

http://sports.yahoo.com/mlb/news;ylt=Am9TOuuQJiNKesdJMEDmS8RvLYF?slug=ti-brown_kershaw_ejected_dodgers_hero_091411

I guess it means it would be okay for Ian Kennedy to clobber Rod Barajas over the head with a bat sometime because that too would send a team-oriented message?

"The wise writer, I think, writes for the youth of his own generation, the critic of the next and the schoolmasters of ever afterward." F. Scott Fitzgerald.

by NASCARbernet on Sep 15, 2011 8:16 PM EDT reply actions   1 recs

I stopped reading

the Yahoo guys months ago now. I got all I need here at SBNation.

I got nothin'.

by Bcawz on Sep 15, 2011 10:13 PM EDT up reply actions  

sheesh

You’d think he was the Dalai Lama or something after reading that piece of rubbish.

"Baseball fans are junkies, and their heroin is the statistic." Robert S. Wieder

by njjohn on Sep 15, 2011 10:29 PM EDT up reply actions  

Yeah, it was pretty pathetic

for example, one thing he failed to mention was that Derpshaw is emotional, which will be exploited in the future. We’ve seen what happens to talented pitchers not in control of their emotions.

"The wise writer, I think, writes for the youth of his own generation, the critic of the next and the schoolmasters of ever afterward." F. Scott Fitzgerald.

by NASCARbernet on Sep 15, 2011 11:06 PM EDT up reply actions  

i highly doubt it's going to affect him in the future

it didn’t affect him at all yesterday, and that’s essentially as angry as he’ll be right?

by blue bulldog on Sep 16, 2011 12:12 AM EDT up reply actions  

I'm not ready to hop on the Parra bandwagon just yet,

But he has obviously stepped his game up this year. Last season, I was completely apathetic towards Parra. But it’ll be interesting to see if he can keep this progression up.

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by Stupendous Man on Sep 15, 2011 9:01 PM EDT via mobile reply actions  

Why wouldn't you be on the bandwagon?

Holy Shmoly… the bandwagon is halfway to Oregon!

"Baseball fans are junkies, and their heroin is the statistic." Robert S. Wieder

by njjohn on Sep 15, 2011 9:41 PM EDT up reply actions  

I never got off that wagon

Have to say that I loved Parra his rookie season, was kind of disappointed last season, but never really gave up on him. He was 22 years old. Why the hell would anyone be giving up on him at that point? Super happy to see him succeed. Of course, he’s kind of a bad ass, and that doesn’t hurt my feelings one bit.

by azshadowwalker on Sep 15, 2011 10:15 PM EDT up reply actions  

+1

"Baseball fans are junkies, and their heroin is the statistic." Robert S. Wieder

by njjohn on Sep 15, 2011 10:26 PM EDT up reply actions  

There were times

when I didnt like his attitude, although just might have been my far away perception (not running out all the time, stuff like that). But yeah, I kept thinking, he is barely older than Upton and is up at the bigs. I didnt want to send him off.

I got nothin'.

by Bcawz on Sep 15, 2011 11:15 PM EDT up reply actions  

Strittmatter for General Manager!

Whenever KT retires…

Amazing research, as always!

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by TylerO on Sep 15, 2011 9:24 PM EDT reply actions   2 recs

lol

honestly, Dan could probably be a better GM than KT right now, given the same resources

by blue bulldog on Sep 16, 2011 12:13 AM EDT up reply actions  

Hahaha

As much as I appreciate this (and want it to happen), I can safely assure you that this is very much not the case. :-P

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by Dan Strittmatter on Sep 16, 2011 2:24 AM EDT up reply actions  

My IQ increased 10 points

By reading this post and the thread.

"Baseball fans are junkies, and their heroin is the statistic." Robert S. Wieder

by njjohn on Sep 15, 2011 9:42 PM EDT reply actions  

Of course, it was at 55 before… soooooo….

"Baseball fans are junkies, and their heroin is the statistic." Robert S. Wieder

by njjohn on Sep 15, 2011 9:43 PM EDT up reply actions  

yessssssssssss!

"Baseball fans are junkies, and their heroin is the statistic." Robert S. Wieder

by njjohn on Sep 15, 2011 10:27 PM EDT up reply actions  

Okay, you still should be General Manager someday, BUT

Parra’s strikeout rate going from 19.3% to 17.4% is an almost 11% reduction (a reduction of 2 percentage points, but not a 2% reduction.)

[I don’t grade on the curve.]

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by TylerO on Sep 16, 2011 12:05 AM EDT reply actions  

Bah, that's what I meant...

That’s what I get for writing after midnight. :-)

Founder and Chairman of the Hire A Body Double For David Hernandez's Right Arm Commission. A non-profit organization.

by Dan Strittmatter on Sep 16, 2011 2:25 AM EDT up reply actions  

Also an encouraging improvement

He’s hitting a fairly respectable .276/.351/.437 against lefties this year.

Also, I never realized that he only attempted to steal once last year. It’s baffling for a guy with his speed. He’s also has “just” 13 steal attempts, even though it’s an impressive 12/1 SB/CS ratio. I shouldn’t be saying this about a Diamondback, but… Parra should run more.

"If you find a man or woman who sticks around after you tell them "I may be a demented horse, but I know CPR," you marry them. No questions asked." - kishi

by CaptainCanuck on Sep 16, 2011 2:41 AM EDT reply actions  

well

if you bat 8th, then you’re not going to have a whole lot of opportunities to steal are you?

by blue bulldog on Sep 16, 2011 4:23 AM EDT up reply actions  

heh

point taken. Probably another reason why batting him 8th all the time is silly, even this season after his improvement.

"If you find a man or woman who sticks around after you tell them "I may be a demented horse, but I know CPR," you marry them. No questions asked." - kishi

by CaptainCanuck on Sep 16, 2011 3:34 PM EDT up reply actions  

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