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D-backs Lineup Discussion Thread

We're in the midst of a great season, but with success come scrutiny over finite details that would be overlooked or passed over apathetically in other seasons.  One topic has been a particularly consistent discussion point over the course of the year, and reached new heights with today's game against the Giants: the lineup.  Now, it is true that lineup construction - or, at least, the order in which the players in the lineup are assembled - typically has very little effect on the results a team sees over the course of a season.  Studies have shown the difference to be at most an extra few runs in a season.

However, it remains a common discussion point because a) it's completely controllable, so optimizing the lineup has no cost to the team, and b) because it's one of the few duties that a Manager has that the entire general public can directly see.  With that in mind, here's what I think is a nice balance between the order I would assemble our everyday lineup in and what I think we could reasonably expect from Gibby (LHP/RHP splits taken into consideration in some cases):

 

1) Gerardo Parra/Ryan Roberts - Yep, a lead-off platoon.  This accomplishes two wonderful things.  First, it gets Willie Bloomquist as far away as possible from the lead-off spot.  Second, it gets two guys with awesome OBPs against pitchers of the opposite hand into the lead-off spot.  It very well might be aided by hitting in front of the pitcher, but Parra's line vs. right-handers is a remarkable .299/.361/.439, and even if his OBP takes a 15-20 point dive from more strikes being thrown to him (a dip in walk rate of 1/4 to 1/3 of his current rate), a .340-.345 OBP is fantastic.  Roberts, on the other hand, is a godlike on-base animal against lefties, with a .267/.394/.556 line - a 17.3% walk rate - against southpaws.  Not only that, but Roberts' BABIP against lefties is .243, a figure almost certain to substantially rise over the remainder of the season.  If we're facing a lefty and Roberts isn't in one of the top three spots in the lineup, something is terribly wrong.

2) Miguel Montero - This is a biggie for me.  The SABRs claim that the second slot in the lineup is the most important and should be where the best hitter is slotted.  While that's against conventional wisdom, I can't exactly find a reason not to believe it - the odds are that the 2-hole hitter will generate more PAs over the course of a season than the 3-hole hitter will, and if the lead-off man is an on-base specialist, he'll have plenty of opportunities to generate runs.  However, if I wanted to generate the optimal SABR lineup, I'd just plug it into a program online and post a link to the details.  No, I'd rather try to imagine something feasible, and if Willie Bloomquist is moved down in the lineup, we'll have no established 1 or 2 hitters.  So why not get Montero as many PA's as possible?  He's third on the team in wRC+ behind Ryan Roberts and that guy hitting third, and sports a plenty-good .346 OBP.  Seems like a perfect fit to me, position be darned.  This also accomplishes the task of putting a left-handed bat in front of...

3) Justin Upton - It's not broken.  Don't fix it.

4) Kelly Johnson - If you don't set a minimum plate appearance requirement, the top-eight D-backs this year in ISO are Paul Goldschmidt, Zach Duke, Wily Mo Pena, Brandon Allen, Geoff Blum, Barry Enright, Justin Upton, and Henry Blanco.  The ninth D-back on that list, also the only other D-back with an ISO over .200, is one Kelly Johnson.  Of course, ISO is not everything needed in a cleanup hitter, but Johnson is sixth on the club among regular bats in wRC+ - behind Upton, Ryan Roberts, Miguel Montero, Gerardo Parra, and Chris Young - despite having a sub-.600 OPS (.191/.255/.329 line) as late as May 22nd, 44 games into the regular season.  Since that day, Kelly had hit .236/.329/.505 in 56 games (.269 ISO!!!) going into today's game, streakiness and all.  I wouldn't count on him as a top-of-the-order hitter, but if you look past his stature it's not too hard to see the possibility of KJ being a fantastic middle-of-the-order power producer from here on out.

5) Chris Young - Yes, Young is slumping mightily over the last two weeks or so, seeing his OPS drop from .805 after July 20's game to .771 going into today's action.  However, despite the .132/.298/.132 line in those 11 games, the fact remains that Young's 105 wRC+ is fifth on the team among regular players, and it wasn't too long ago that he was one of the hottest hitters in the lineup.  Every big-leaguer goes through a slump, and we all know that CY has never been an exception to that rule.  He'll get out this slump in due time, and return to his high-walk, high-power self - a phenomenal hitter for the 5-slot in the lineup.

6) Ryan Roberts/Gerardo Parra - The other half of the platoon goes here.  I like the idea of putting these guys in front of Goldschmidt, trying to set up the big power-hitting first baseman with a small, scrappy OBP type.  It's not like starters go the distance every time out, so the other half of the platoon doesn't need to be buried in the eight-hole to avoid platoon disadvantages.  On days where Collin Cowgill gets a start over Parra against a tough lefty, I'd still advocate Cowgill being slotted here - I'd take CY against a lefty before Cowgill.

7) Paul Goldschmidt - I do like where Gibson has been slotting Goldy into the lineup.  Expecting him to immediately hit cleanup for us and succeed in that role is too much to put on the kid in his first exposure to the major leagues.  Unless he puts up a Pujols-ian line in his first month of action, he belongs in the bottom third of the lineup to let him take his lumps in his first exposure to big-league pitching.  Although it goes without saying that he belongs above the next guy on the list...

8) Willie Bloomquist - Seeing this guy slotted in the lead-off slot every day might be one of the most infuriating things about following this team this year.  Bloomquist is a terrible hitter, and he always has been.  Sure, he's been BABIP'ing his way to a high average as of late, but he detracts from his own value by making so many outs on the basepaths (link goes to shoewizard's brief but fantastically-put article) and doesn't walk nearly enough to be more effective as a lead-off hitter than the platoon I have in that slot would be.  Continuing to put Bloomquist in the slot of the lineup that gets the most plate appearances per game is doing nothing to help this baseball team.

9) Pitcher - Let's not get too crazy here.  Sorry, Mr. La Russa.  I can't match your genius.

 

Needless to say, if any of the other players on our bench - Cody Ransom, Sean Burroughs, or Henry Blanco - gets a start, they belong in the eighth slot behind Bloomquist, with the rest of the lineup being adjusted in some fashion.  All other lineup ideas welcome in the comments!

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one key to putting Miggy 2nd is that it might cut down on the PA’s where he over swings. When he has that nice, easy swing, he’s great. But sometimes he gets that hard, uncontrolled swing because it seems like he’s trying too much.

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by soco on Aug 4, 2011 12:03 AM EDT reply actions  

Miggy is too slow to hit 2nd ,IMO seems like a lot of DPs waiting to happen

If he bats 4th there is a more likelihood it’s with 2 outs. My lineup would go…

1.Roberts
2.Parra/Cowgill
3.Upton
4.Montero
5.Young
6.Johnson
7.Goldschmidt
8.Bloomquist

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by txzona on Aug 4, 2011 12:12 AM EDT reply actions  

There's also a greater likelihood

That he doesn’t get a PA in the first inning, or an extra PA at the end of a game.

Montero’s K-Rate is 16.7%, and BB-Rate is 8.8%. So he has a batted ball (not necessarily ball in play) in 74.5% of his PA’s. 44.5% of his batted balls are grounders, so that’s 33.2% of his PA’s. Even if you assume that the D-backs’ lead-off production is phenomenal from here on out and they reach base 38% of the time (on the optimistic side of the halfway mark between Roberts’ and Parra’s OBP splits), that means Montero will hit a ground ball with a runner on first in 20.6% of his PA’s. Of course, some of those will go for hits – typically about 25% of grounders are singles. That means that 15% of Montero’s first-inning PA’s will result in Montero hitting a grounder with a runner already on first that doesn’t end up as a hit… and who knows how many of those actually are hit to a spot that allows the lead runner to be forced out before making the turn to first.

I think that’s an over-hyped concern.

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by Dan Strittmatter on Aug 4, 2011 12:23 AM EDT up reply actions  

I sort of agree with txzona on this one

15% is not a small number, and while I can’t say for a baseball player, at least as a fan early DP really seem to suck my morale.

I’ve also been a big supporter of the two OBP guys before three mashers lineup, even though it’s slightly against the Book. But I mean, if we were going strictly book, Upton should probably be hitting 2nd and Montero should be hitting 4th or something.

by blue bulldog on Aug 4, 2011 12:54 AM EDT up reply actions  

It would be far less than 15%

Not all ground ball outs would be turned into double plays.

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by Dan Strittmatter on Aug 4, 2011 1:02 AM EDT up reply actions  

Not to mention

That Parra is more of a ground-ball hitter than Montero is, with almost half of his batted balls being worm-burners. So his speed might allow him to beat out one or two, but he’ll hit into that many more opportunities with his batted ball rates anyways, removing that benefit. Speedier guys are not necessary for the second spot in the lineup, particularly if they’re not elite speed types (which Parra is not) and they put the ball on the ground more often than a slower, more fly-ball-oriented bat.

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by Dan Strittmatter on Aug 4, 2011 1:43 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions  

I like this lineup a lot.

It passes the eye test, meaning that Gibby might actually consider it, but it appears more or less sabermetrically sound. I wouldn’t be opposed to switching Roberts and Parra in the order though.

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by Zavada's Moustache on Aug 4, 2011 11:46 AM EDT up reply actions  

My lineup

I agree with you on most parts, but here is the lineup I would put out.
1. Gerardo Parra
2. Ryan Roberts
3. Justin Upton
4. Miguel Montero
5. Chris Young
6. Kelly Johnson
7. Paul Goldschmidt
8. Willie Bloomquist
9. Pitcher

Kelly Johnson at 4 seems a little too high based on the way he is hitting this year. The lineup I put also balances lefty and righty throughout. And Parra and Roberts are both relatively fast and can set the table for Upton and Montero. Montero doesn’t have enough speed to be the two hitter. Bloomquist should be 8th because he is our worst hitter and should get the least amount of at bats. That I agree with.

by RKel10 on Aug 4, 2011 12:15 AM EDT reply actions  

It balances RHH & LHH

But the 5-8 hitters are all dramatically superior against lefties than righties.

As I wrote above, speed at the two-spot isn’t some sort of huge necessity in my eyes.

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by Dan Strittmatter on Aug 4, 2011 12:24 AM EDT up reply actions  

random point

Parra that early still scares me a bit. he swings at some very bad pitches out of the zone still :(

by blue bulldog on Aug 4, 2011 12:56 AM EDT up reply actions  

That's the one that worries me the most from my list

But what other lefty options do we have for the top of the lineup? I would honestly consider Blum if he were healthy, and that’s depressing.

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by Dan Strittmatter on Aug 4, 2011 1:03 AM EDT up reply actions  

nowhe's not a bad 2 hitter

If RyRo bats leadoff, Blum is a vet with decent on base skills and knows how to hit to the situation.

by rapdawg on Aug 4, 2011 1:43 PM EDT up reply actions  

Whoa...whoa...

Tony LaRussa? Thats something Jim Riggleman had been doing all year! Then again…look how that turned out…

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by Bryan J. Boltik on Aug 4, 2011 12:21 AM EDT reply actions  

I still don't think Parra should bat 8th.

If he batted leadoff, I’m almost certain he would hit above .300 and I’d be willing to bet he would be a tad more patient. Considering that’s what his focus would be if he batted leadoff.

Also I think KJ was a pretty good leadoff hitter last year.

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by txzona on Aug 4, 2011 1:35 AM EDT reply actions  

Blanco would be interesting

slotted ahead of Bloomquist, as “protection” for Goldy.

Yeah, yeah, I know, Blanco’s a terrible hitter. But he’s hit the occasional homer this season, and that might make people less likely to walk Goldy than if Bloomquist comes after him (I know I’d pick Bloomquist in that situation if I were an opposing pitcher).

by Nonpartisan on Aug 4, 2011 1:39 AM EDT reply actions  

If Goldy hits well enough to be pitched around

Neither Henry Blanco nor Willie Bloomquist will change pitchers’ minds.

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by Dan Strittmatter on Aug 4, 2011 1:49 AM EDT up reply actions  

This discussion point out one glaring hole…

We NEED a true lead-off hitter!

The Diamondbacks at some point either need to develop or sign a legitimate lead-off hitter. Wouldn’t it be great to see a true lead-off hitter at the top of the lineup? Someone who would take a lot of pitches, have a solid OBP and understands the ART of bunting to get on. (I know bunting isn’t glamorous but it would be nice to see someone on base when Upton homers).

Internally, I would have to say that Ollie Linton OF Mobile or Chris Ellison OF Missoula are the best options.

Linton has the speed but his OBP has dropped off a little this year and that has limited his ability to steal bases. However, he does have 11 stolen bases in 19 chances with limited playing time. My fear is that his regression from lack of consistent playing time is going to be his down fall.

Ellison was one of the fastest collegiate players in the Southwest out of Oklahoma. Has continued to display his speed in Missoula where he has swiped 13 bases in 18 attempts. I know the sample size is small but in college he stole 44 bases in 57 attempts over three years.

Either would make a great project for someone like Brett Butler to get a hold of and work with to become a solid lead-off hitter. IMO Butler was one of the best lead-off hitters of his era (right behind Ricky Henderson). We have the coach to teach someone we just have to find the batter.

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by SnakebitForever on Aug 4, 2011 4:53 AM EDT reply actions  

Cowgill could be a good leadoff hitter

those other guys seems quite a ways away.

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by txzona on Aug 4, 2011 5:13 AM EDT up reply actions  

This.

’m really high on Cowgill. I think he could possibly end up being a better Parra

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by BattleMoses on Aug 4, 2011 10:55 PM EDT up reply actions  

Unless we can get someone who can actually successfully steal

At like an 80% clip, we should just go with the highest OBP guys. 11-19 is a TERRIBLE stolen base success rate, and would sap a ton of value out of the team off the basepaths. Ellison’s 13-18 has negative value too.

There’s also the fact that neither guy can hit a lick and both are non-prospects.

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by Dan Strittmatter on Aug 4, 2011 11:43 AM EDT via mobile up reply actions  

Miggy is not a 2 hitter

The guy has never had a situational at-bat in his life, that is the job of the 2 hitter. He swings as hard as he can at everything and seemingly tries to drop a bomb everytime. The 2 hitter needs to be a guy comfortable swinging with 2 strikes and be a player who is willing to give himself up for the team. Montero while a good hitter, drives in runs but should not be relied on for producing them. Ergo, my lineup:

1) Roberts
2) Bloomquist
3) Upton
4) Montero
5) Johnson
6) Goldschmidt
7) Young
8) Parra
9) Pitcher

Young needs to get the message about his wasted ABs and should see more fastballs in that spot. Johnson in the 5 hole represents a guy who can drive in runs that are left over from Montero and Upton but also start something ahead of Goldy and Young. If only we had Drew to make it more balanced…..

by rapdawg on Aug 4, 2011 1:37 PM EDT reply actions  

admittedly my strategy is small ball

I see Bloomquist as a guy useful for putting the ball in play on hit&runs with RyRo, SACing baserunners over so Upton can drive them in, and if RyRo gets out we know he can provide a single at a decent rate ahead of Upton unlike what KJ has been doing lately. Even if he gets thrown out a ton, having Bloomquists propensity to run will help Upton see a few more fastballs.

by rapdawg on Aug 4, 2011 1:40 PM EDT up reply actions  

do you honestly think

Johnson is a better hitter than Young?

by blue bulldog on Aug 4, 2011 4:39 PM EDT up reply actions  

at this point I don't think either is all that good

When Young starts to hit and put good at bats together again I would flip them, but this is the lineup based on how we are playing right now.

by rapdawg on Aug 4, 2011 6:02 PM EDT up reply actions  

If we're going by The Book,

Which is different from going by the book, we’d probably end up with something like this:

1. Parra
2. Upton
3. Young
4. Montero
5. Young
6. Goldschimdt
7. Johnson
8. Bloomquist
9. Pitcher

But if you factor in the effects that this lineup would have on the psyche of Upton and others, it might actually be more beneficial to have a less avant-garde lineup. And I think Dan’s lineup (as well as others in the comments) would be a good compromise between what the stats say and what the dancing fairies in Kirk Gibson’s head say.

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by Zavada's Moustache on Aug 4, 2011 2:28 PM EDT reply actions  

Cloning Chris Young

Hadn’t thought of that.

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by Clefo on Aug 4, 2011 2:34 PM EDT up reply actions  

No, actually

I was proposing that we pick up Evil Chris Young and bat him in the three hole.

But seriously, that was supposed to be Young/Montero/Roberts. LineupFAIL

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by Zavada's Moustache on Aug 4, 2011 2:41 PM EDT up reply actions  

Next year's lineup

1.Young
2.Drew
3.Upton
4.Goldschmidt
5.Montero
6.Roberts
7.Parra
8.2B
You put Young at the top because he’s the fastest guy on the team. Plus he seems to put up great ABs. If you think the 2 hole is the most important, than Drew is a great choice there. Goldschmidt will protect Upton, and I predict a 30+ HR season next year from him. I still like the righty/lefty lineup, because it protects against a Javier Lopez type coming in and destroying left handed hitters.
 I would love to have Kelly back next year, but if not we could use a defensive heavy 2B such as Jack Wilson or Omar Infante and put them in the 8th slot.

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by txzona on Aug 4, 2011 4:13 PM EDT reply actions  

i think Young batting up top is just a pipe dream

he will never have the OBP for that, because of his flyball (and infield flyball) tendencies

by blue bulldog on Aug 4, 2011 4:40 PM EDT up reply actions  

Just when I thought the CY at lead-off buffoonery had died...

Put Roberts there, knock Young down to sixth. I’d also swap Drew and Montero, because I couldn’t give less of a crap about having a speedy 2-guy, but I’d understand keeping Drew in that slot if it would appease Gibby.

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by Dan Strittmatter on Aug 4, 2011 8:28 PM EDT up reply actions  

I think we pick up a middle infielder off of waivers

Ransom is not nearly as good defensively as Roberts, and someone needs to spell Bloomquist/Johnson every now and then, like yesterday. Keep Ransom as a PHer maybe, Drop Burroughs, but we need someone else for 2B/SS so we can keep Roberts at 3B.

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by snakecharmer on Aug 4, 2011 4:24 PM EDT reply actions  

I agree

But we also do have Blum coming back. That should not only take care of Ransom, but Burroughs as well.

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by Dan Strittmatter on Aug 4, 2011 8:28 PM EDT up reply actions  

Platooning

in the leadoff spot is a radical idea. Yet I think it makes sense here. But why stop there? Miggy would be a good choice at #2 but only against RHP. Almost any right-handed hitter would be a better choice against a lefty.

by fjm235 on Aug 4, 2011 5:16 PM EDT reply actions  

Back-to-back platoons

Screams for a specialist.

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by Dan Strittmatter on Aug 4, 2011 8:29 PM EDT up reply actions  

More or less sabr friendly

On an emoitonal level, this would be a hard sell. BUT keep this in mind:

Justin Upton has 478 PA’s. The AVERAGE MLB hitter with 478 PA’s should come to bat with 288 runners on base. But Justin has had just 250. Thats a 38 baserunner deficit, and he’s the NUMBER 3 HITTER ! You would think most teams would like to get more OBP out of the top 2 spots in front of their best hitter right ?

Also, how many times in the first inning has Justin come up with two men on base ? Really……I can probably count on one hand how many times that has happened. I’m absolutely sure it’s less than ten times. So for THIS team, with no obvious leadoff candidate vs. both LHP and RHP, it makes especially good sense to go with a Sabr lineup, which includes batting pitcher 8th.

I like the idea of putting the maximum possible pressure on the opposing team’s starter right out of the gate too. I think that would give us a mental edge, and would help make us a little less reliant on late inning surges.

Vs.RHP

Parra
Upton
Johnson
Goldschmidt
Montero
Young
Roberts
Pitcher
Bloomquist

Vs. LHP (assuming Johnsom,Miggy & Parra get the day off)
Young
Upton
Cowgill (LF)
Roberts (2b
GoldSchmidt
Blanco
Bloomquist
Pitcher
Ransom (3b)

Unfortunately if we bench Johnson then you have a pretty big hole at either 2b or 3b, depending on where you play Roberts. But Johnson is just terrible against lefties this year and the trend seems to be sticking. So I guess Ransom at 3rd is better than Burroughs ???

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by shoewizard on Aug 4, 2011 6:50 PM EDT reply actions  

OR

You just take the better defense, bat Johnson 9th against lefties and play Roberts at 3b.
That probably makes the most sense overall.

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by shoewizard on Aug 4, 2011 6:52 PM EDT up reply actions  

If I'm doing this right

J-Up’s had 11 plate appearances this year in the first inning with two runners on. (Oddly, he managed it twice in one game against the Cubs in April.)

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by kishi on Aug 4, 2011 7:22 PM EDT up reply actions  

oh well.....

11 is still too few.

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by shoewizard on Aug 4, 2011 7:35 PM EDT up reply actions  

yes

but Upton can only hit solo HR. having runners on base in front of him is meaningless.

by blue bulldog on Aug 4, 2011 9:21 PM EDT up reply actions  

Did you make the lineup against LHP while on shrooms? JK

and I think it has been proven time and time again that batting the pitcher 8th leads to fewer runs. Tony La Russa just over thinks things.

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by txzona on Aug 4, 2011 9:28 PM EDT up reply actions  

Where has that been proven ?

I don’t advocate this in all situations by the way.

But on a team with no enough leadoff/2nd spot high OBP options, moving Upton to 2nd spot in the order makes sense. BUT…then you don’t want the pitcher just two spots in front of him as the lineup turns over.

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by shoewizard on Aug 4, 2011 10:01 PM EDT up reply actions  

Well I'm too lazy to go and look at the sabermetrics of batting the pitcher 8th/9th

I most recently heard Kevin Millar and Chris Rose talking about it. They went on to say that they thought it was pointless. Probably not the best example, but off the top of my head that’s all I got. I’m pretty sure I read somewhere that the Cardinals average slightly less runs when they do so.
Tony La Russa’s reasoning behind it is that he wants to get Pujols more chances with men on base. In the past their lineup has been pretty bad after Pujols ,so it probably didn’t make that big of a difference anyways.
With our team it’s a deeper lineup and we don’t rely on one guy like that Cardinals used to. You also have to consider that the pitcher usually is pinch hit for around the 6th inning, and if he bats 8th he is more likely to take away scoring opportunities for the bottom of the lineup. So why not just bat him 9th if he is going to be pinch hit for anyways?

There is a book that came out a short while ago it’s all about these things, but once again I’m too lazy to look up such things.

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by txzona on Aug 5, 2011 1:22 AM EDT up reply actions  

Kevin Millar and Chris Rose....

Hrrrrrrrrrmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm.

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by Dan Strittmatter on Aug 5, 2011 2:06 AM EDT up reply actions  

Hey! I said off the top of my head man!

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by txzona on Aug 5, 2011 2:28 AM EDT up reply actions  

:-P

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by Dan Strittmatter on Aug 5, 2011 3:54 AM EDT up reply actions  

I think you have the anatomy backwards there ;)

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by shoewizard on Aug 6, 2011 1:30 AM EDT up reply actions  

my lineup

is closest to yours, shoe.

Vs.RHP
 
Parra
 Upton
 Johnson
 Montero
 Goldschmidt
 Young
 Roberts
 Bloomquist
 Pitcher

Vs. LHP (assuming Johnsom,Miggy & Parra get the day off)
 Roberts (3B)
 Upton
 Young
 Cowgill (LF)
 GoldSchmidt
 Blanco
 Bloomquist
 Ransom (2B)
 Pitcher

We really are a lot weaker against LHP. I think having Upton in the 2 hold is the key. It’s puts him in the optimal lineup slot and then you can slot Montero in the 3 hold against LHP and Young in that slot against RHP.

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by njjohn on Aug 5, 2011 9:59 AM EDT up reply actions  

I thought this should be known

Stephen Colbert talked about Craig Counsell on his show last night!

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by Bryan J. Boltik on Aug 5, 2011 2:50 AM EDT reply actions  

And Stephen Colbert has taken over the MLB twitter feed

I know it has nothing to do with this topic. But I had to find someplace to let y’all know

Jarrod Parker 2011 Watch: 20 Starts, 9-6, 3.92 ERA, 98.2 IP, 89 Ks, 45 BBs, 1.318 WHIP, 1.98 K/BB, 8.1 Ks/9

by Bryan J. Boltik on Aug 5, 2011 2:53 AM EDT up reply actions  

What did he say about Counsell?

"I didn't mean to hit the umpire with the dirt, but I did mean to hit that bastard in the stands." -Babe Ruth

by Rockkstarr12 on Aug 5, 2011 12:55 PM EDT up reply actions  

Johnson fits much better at 4th than 2nd

Remember he was a corner outfielder coming up but blew his arm out (IIRC) and had to move to second base. He has a natural power-hitter’s swing with a nice uppercut. My lineup would be:

RHP
Roberts 3B
Parra LF
Upton RF
Johnson 2B
Young CF
Montero C
Goldschmidt 1B
Bloomquist SS

and if the current trends continue much longer I would switch Young and Goldie until Young snaps out of it. I think the LRLR lineup makes a huge difference in the final three innings to force at least some good matchups and not give up innings to lefty specialists.

LHP
Roberts 2B
Cowgill LF
Upton RF
Goldschmidt 1B
Young CF
Blum 3B (Ransom in the meantime)
Montero
Bloomquist

by sonic barracuda on Aug 5, 2011 2:56 AM EDT reply actions  

I'll take a crack at this

vs R

Parra
Upton
Johnson
Young
Montero
Goldie
Roberts
Bloomquist

vs L

Roberts
Upton
Johnson
Young
Goldie
Montero
Bloomquist
Pitcher
Parra

by paqs on Aug 5, 2011 4:57 PM EDT reply actions  

I don't mind either of these...

mostly because I’m not convinced that yanking Parra from the line-up every time Arizona faces a lefty is really paying off. Against righties, I’m just pulling my hair out that Gibby insists on putting him 8th. I just don’t get it.

by azshadowwalker on Aug 6, 2011 6:18 PM EDT up reply actions  

This.

Founder and Chairman of the Hire A Body Double For David Hernandez's Right Arm Commission. A non-profit organization.

by Dan Strittmatter on Aug 6, 2011 7:11 PM EDT up reply actions  

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