Diamondbacks Farm Round-Up 8/23: Heck of a Day Edition
Over the last few years, there has been an ongoing struggle between catching prospects and second base prospects as to which composes biggest hole in the D-backs farm system. Ever since David Nick started raking at Visalia this year, it seemed that catching prospects were "winning" the war, but with Zach Walters headed out of town in the Jason Marquis trade, it's become very much open for debate again, particularly with the early successes of the D-backs' newest minor-league catching project:
Snakelet of the Day:
Michael Perez (Low-Rookie): 2-3, HR, 3 R, RBI, 2 BB, SB
Of course, as much as I wanted to mention Perez because of the excitement of a catching prospect with everyday player upside, I can't simply ignore this... Just another ho-hum day.
Snakelet of the Day:
Tyler Skaggs (Double-A): 9 IP, 2 H, 1 R (1 ER), 7:2 K:BB, 5:11 GO:AO, HR
Okay, just two more from Visalia... after all, it was a heck of a day on the farm.
Snakelet of the Day:
Matt Davidson (Hi-A): 3-4, 2B, HR, 2 R, 3 RBI, HBP
Keon Broxton (Hi-A): 2-2, 2B, HR, 3 R, 6 RBI, 2 BB, SF
Triple-A: Reno 5, Tacoma 4. (72-58) Starter Wes Roemer had an effective outing, giving up seven hits and three runs in 7.1 innings, posting a solid 5:1 K:BB ratio but surrendering a pair of home runs - the same issue that hampered him a year ago with the Aces. At the plate, Evan Frey and Cole Gillespie each tripled, while Andy Tracy added a double. Frey's triple came at the best time possible, driving in Mark Hallberg from first base in the bottom of the ninth to score the walk-off run.
Double-A (10 innings): Mobile 2, Jackson 1. (77-50) Remember that solid Jackson lineup that Jarrod Parker dealt with handily last night? Well, Tyler Skaggs did one better, putting up perhaps the best outing of his already-awesome career, throwing nine innings of one-run ball, with a 7:2 K:BB ratio and a solo home run allowed. Skaggs seems like he'll be a fairly fly-ball-oriented guy, and posted a 5:11 GO:AO ratio on Tuesday night, but with his power lefty arsenal, I don't think anybody is concerned. Without a doubt, he is the safest prospect in the D-backs system in my opinion, and I believe he, like Trevor Bauer, could be an above-average starter in the major leagues tomorrow if the team were to abandon its forward thinking and innings limits (which I would not support, of course).
Offensively, A.J. Pollock led the way a double and a walk, although he was picked off of first base in an unusual baserunning gaffe. Pollock refused to strike out even once for the fifth straight game, and now has struck out just three times over his last ten games, a span in which he's hit .318. His double on Tuesday was his 36th of the year. Ed Easley also had a big game, collecting two singles, including the game-winning base hit in the bottom of the tenth inning to secure the walk-off win after Mike DeMark worked a scoreless top of the tenth to keep the game locked at one apiece.
Hi-A: Visalia 14, High Desert 8. (59-68) The big bats in Visalia's lineup went bananas, led by Matt Davidson and Keon Broxton. Davidson fell a triple short of the cycle, driving in three runs, also getting hit by a pitch. Broxton, on the other hand, led off the game with a home run, added a double, hit a sacrifice fly, and walked twice to cap off what was probably the best game of his minor-league career. After Broxton's OPS sat well below .700 for most of the season, Broxton has proceeded to post an OPS on the awesome side of .900 in 21 games in August. After striking out 172 times in 2010 with South Bend, he has whiffed a combined 153 games so far in 2011 between South Bend and Visalia, and has actually matched his strikeout total for June or July (29) this month. So while that line has been helped by an enormous BABIP in August, his secondary skills have still been superb in August.
Also chipping in with power were Bobby Borchering and Alfredo Marte with doubles, with Marte notching a four-hit game. Raoul Torrez also had a great day, singling and walking three times. Right-hander Eric Smith had a rough day, giving up eight runs in six innings, although four were unearned. He posted a solid 7:3 K:BB ratio, but gave up eight hits and a home run, though somehow walked away from the game with a win. On the bright side, Dan Taylor and Evan Marshall were each fantastic in relief. Taylor struck out three in two perfect innings, while Marshall K'd two in his 1-2-3 ninth inning to seal the victory and lower his ERA with the Rawhide to an incredible 1.26.
Low-A: South Bend 2, West Michigan 3. (60-66) Yazy Arbelo hit his 28th home run of the year for the Silver Hawks, a solo shot in the ninth inning, and David Narodowski doubled, but it wasn't quite enough offense to lift South Bend to a victory. Starter Jeffrey Shields had a very good outing, allowing no extra-base hits and three runs in seven innings on the mound, striking out three with one walk and an impressive (as always) 14:5 GO:AO ratio. Shields' best-case scenario is a back-end starter or bullpen arm, but he's one that would likely fit in at Chase well, given his ground ball tendencies (if you believe that's a good thing for the current constitution of the D-backs, of course).
Related note: I'm planning on going to the Silver Hawks game tomorrow, and hope to have a first-hand report tomorrow night sometime.
Short-Season-A (10 innings): Yakima 7, Boise 6. (26-40) Left-hander John Pedrotty turned in another quality start, allowing two runs on nine hits in six innings with a 6:2 K:BB ratio, 4:0 GO:AO ratio, and allowing a home run. Kerry Jenkins had three hits, including a pair of doubles, while Tyler Bream, Carter Bell, and Garrett Weber each doubled once. Westley Moss also chipped in with a single, two walks, and stole his 12th base of the season.
Advanced-Rookie: Missoula 12, Orem 6. (38-23) After scoring just one run in support of Dexter Price on Monday, the Osprey bats came alive in support of starter Raymond Hernandez on Tuesday. Jeremia Gomez, Fidel Pena, and Eric Groff each clubbed home runs for Missoula, Groff added a triple, and Justin Bianco and Tom Belza each doubled. Ryan Court didn't have any extra-base hits, but reached base four times on two singles and a pair of walks. Of course, Hernandez was awesome as well, striking out nine in seven innings of two-run ball, allowing five hits - including a homer - four walks, and hitting a batter. What I imagine started as a PR-friendly 48th-round draft pick may have turned into one of the steals of the draft. Any type of big-league value from the younger Hernandez makes him one of the biggest draft steals ever.
Low-Rookie: D-backs 9, Cubs 8. (19-32) Perez has already made his presence felt in the AZL, hitting two homers in his first ten plate appearances in the D-backs' system. He's young and new to catching, but if he can become passable defensively and harness his impressive bat speed, he could be a force behind the plate. The odds are very slim with Perez, but it was a worthwhile upside gamble with a fifth-round pick, and he's already the best catching prospect in the D-backs' system. Jesus Abreu tripled, Pedro Ruiz added a double, and John Leonard had a four-hit game to help boost the offense. The pitching struggled as a whole, although Cody Geyer's scoreless ninth inning kept the game tied and gave the D-backs the chance to notch the walk-off win in the ninth, as they did.
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Tyler Skaggs
is a filthy beast
that being said, we need to seriously shut this kid down pronto. risk vs. reward…..what’s the point in continuing to throw him out there game after game? he’s thrown 147 innings this year….that’s more than enough. i know it’s one game, but it’s the first time in a REALLY long time that he’s struck out less than 25% of batters faced. i’d bet he’s tiring after the long season…..and we really don’t have a need to keep pushing this kid.
I wouldn't be worried
considering he’s still dealing and hasn’t lost effectiveness. However, there is no way I’d continue to have him throw complete games like that. I’d just monitor his innings and pitch counts very carefully from now on.
by CaptainCanuck on Aug 24, 2011 12:09 PM EDT up reply actions
I'd imagine they're trying to push his innings up there a bit
so that they can feel more comfortable having him in the bigs all year next year. That’s the vibe I’m getting. Up his workload a little more than usual this year so he can be on the same innings count next year, just at a tougher level.
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i would not
under any circumstance, want him up all year next year
he’s soooo young. and while it worked out for Kershaw when he got pulled up that young…..it’d be remiss if i suggested Skaggs is the next Kershaw. and he hasn’t built up the innings counts. i know it isn’t locked in stone, but 30 IP jumps from year to year is a pretty standard rule of thumb. and there’s still stuff he could work on. try to lower that walk rate further. maybe gain even more velo on the fastball.
by blue bulldog on Aug 24, 2011 1:00 PM EDT up reply actions
I agree...
I think Parker and Bauer should be ahead of him on that list for the “all year next year” list. Even Parker would be a stretch for that list as well.
Parker and Bauer
Should have no bearing on how we handle Skaggs next year. If he keeps performing like next to start in AA next year, then I’d absolutely give him a chance in the majors next year. That’s assuming of course that we don’t have any holes in the big league rotation.
by CaptainCanuck on Aug 24, 2011 1:36 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
You think he's going to be in the big leagues at the start of next year?
I doubt it. Where would they put him with realistically only two maybe three rotation spots open. Bauer and Parker are locks to be with the team early next year IMO. I still don’t think Collmenter will stick in the rotation. Then you have Kennedy, Hudson, and Saunders/ or veteran starter if they non tender Saunders. Also there are other guys who need a shot like Miley, Corbin, and Brewer.
My Point is that there’s no need to rush Skaggs, because we don’t need him right now. We have plenty of other options. He’s only going to get better with age(most likely..). Plus the guy is so skinny. Did you see him at the Future’s game? He’s probably going to gain some velocity too, which will be bad news for anyone facing him.
Another question you could ask is, are they going to give him a full year at Reno? That would be great test.
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I don't think that'd be a good idea
AAA really isn’t any different from AA, but with such hostile confines, it can only hurt his confidence seeing balls fly out that should have been outs.
I also think Skaggs will only up when there’s an injury/struggle, which almost always happens, so I guess you can say I expect to see Skaggs up next year.
by CaptainCanuck on Aug 24, 2011 2:09 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
i think you're overanalyzing the confidence issue
most people think the kid has great makeup. and, i mean, he plays at Chase….some flyballs are going to end up getting launched out. let’s acclimate him early.
also….good pitching prospects can dominate in the PCL. even Wade Miley did alright.
by blue bulldog on Aug 24, 2011 3:23 PM EDT up reply actions
Sure, possible
But I’m still pretty far away from being a proponent of make up. I don’t see how putting him in a tough environment with little to no change in quality of hitters will do him much good.
by CaptainCanuck on Aug 24, 2011 11:40 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
I don't necessarily believe that
It is just the vibe I’m getting from the way they use him. Or maybe setting him up to push him to the limit at AAA maybe. Just speculating really
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I actually think he will be with Arizona out of Spring Training in 2012
Saunders gets moved for other pieces (second baseman, please?), we open with a rotation of Kennedy/Hudson/Collmenter and two of Skaggs/Bauer/Miley/Corbin. I think Jarrod Parker gets more time in the minors, Miley ultimately gets moved to the bullpen, Corbin is the initial sixth starter waiting in the wings at Reno (Brewer the 7th man), and Skaggs/Bauer start the year in the rotation.
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by Dan Strittmatter on Aug 24, 2011 4:08 PM EDT up reply actions
Collmenter, Skaggs,and Bauer, man that would be a lot of 5 inning outings.
IMO there is no way KT and Gibson use a rotation of inexperienced guys like that. Even if they would give you better production. You know Kevin Towers is going to sign some journeyman.
Collmenter is destined to be our 7th inning man next year.
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how do you see that?
potentially with Skaggs, but with Bauer, i will seriously be expecting 6-7 IP every time out there…and i think that’s a reasonable expectation
by blue bulldog on Aug 24, 2011 8:56 PM EDT up reply actions
Collmenter?
Since moving to the rotation, Collmenter has thrown six or more innings 12 times in 18 starts. Sure, that pales in comparison to, for example, Saunders’ 22 of 26, but it’s more than acceptable for a back-end starter.
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by Dan Strittmatter on Aug 24, 2011 10:27 PM EDT up reply actions
if this happens i will be so sad
we could use our money in much better ways next year
by blue bulldog on Aug 24, 2011 8:56 PM EDT up reply actions
As much as his recent suck hurts the club
It probably hurts the chances of us tendering him, which is a good thing. Hopefully we can recoup some value.
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by Dan Strittmatter on Aug 24, 2011 10:28 PM EDT up reply actions
Is Parker or Skaggs likely to play in the AFL?
And if they do, does that point to a greater likelyhood of them in the majors out of ST?
Doubt it
I see Charles Brewer, Chase Anderson, and Ortega/Cook/Woodall going for pitchers, and some combination of Marc Krauss, A.J. Pollock, Adam Eaton, and maybe Matt Davidson.
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by Dan Strittmatter on Aug 24, 2011 10:30 PM EDT up reply actions
don't look now...
but some how Matt Davidson has figured out how to not strike out in his last ten games……
i love this kid….still think he has a chance to be an above average regular….especially if he can just have passable defense at 3B (minus half a win….i’d take that)
by blue bulldog on Aug 24, 2011 11:08 PM EDT up reply actions
Davidson = Legit
It’s an interesting bet between him and Pollock for second-best bat in the system (first if Goldie loses eligibility).
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by Dan Strittmatter on Aug 25, 2011 12:32 AM EDT up reply actions
i'd probably say Pollock for now
because he’s got the steals, defense, and contact…and he’s already doing it at AA
ask me again in a year….we’ll see…
by blue bulldog on Aug 25, 2011 12:51 AM EDT up reply actions
You jinxed him!
I survived the 2004 & 2010 seasons.
Bauer is AWESOME
Skaggs is AWESOME
Parker is AWESOME
Really don't see that happening
Something will probably be altered with service time for me to believe it. I love Skaggs but that may be a lot to ask for a 20 year old who’s only had half a season in the upper levels. We have other options to begin with.
by CaptainCanuck on Aug 24, 2011 11:43 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
Agreed.....
Skaggs only threw 87 pitches and only faced 29 batters in 9 innings, a good thing. I agree ,it’s time to back him off. He has proved to them what he can do. I would like to know what his velo was in the 9th. He has had 3 games with streak’s of 19, 12 and 10 batters in a row . the 10 &12 were when he was taken out,
His pitch count was really low
Lots of quick outs, partially due to the lack of aforementioned strikeouts. With the rests between innings, this was probably one of the lower-stress outings he’s had this year. I also wouldn’t freak out about him failing to strike out as many batters as he has throughout the year – remember when Collmenter and IPK had their struggles missing bats for a while? It just happens throughout the course of a reason, guys have substandard outings and the world doesn’t end because of it. The org knows what it’s doing, I hope.
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by Dan Strittmatter on Aug 24, 2011 1:37 PM EDT up reply actions
organizational advocacy!!
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They've been pretty cautious with Parker.
"When I get sad, I stop getting sad and be AWESOME instead. TRUE STORY."
Well of course
He had his elbow reconstructed. Completely different cases.
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by Dan Strittmatter on Aug 24, 2011 4:09 PM EDT up reply actions
Can someone explain
Why Skaggs is pitching better in AA than A+ since it’s the biggest talent jump in the minors? Is he just taking it more seriously or something? I know it’s a small sample size so far but ERA, BB/9, K/BB etc are all improved…
Visalia is considered a hitter's park. Mobile is more for pitchers.
And like you said small sample size.
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Mobile
might have a lousy batter’s eye, too. Skaggs’ pitches will also break more in a more humid environment. The Southern League is generally pitcher-friendly, especially compared to the Cal League. Perhaps, also, scouting in the SL hasn’t yet caught up to him.
That having been said, Paul Goldschmidt didn’t mind the jump much.
Goldschmidt happens.
don't look at the BB/9 etc.
it’s much simpler to look at basic percentages
after his last start, the K% has fractionally dipped lower….but it’s still stellar. he struck out 30.5% of batters faced at Visalia, and walked 9.4% of batters faced. at Mobile, he’s struck out 29.7% of batters faced at Mobile, and walked 7.7%. i don’t have the splits, but i’d imagine his first couple of starts in Visalia really skewed his walk rate. whatever the reason for those first couple of starts, i’d imagine his true talent level (right now) is closer to that 7.7% he’s showing in AA, as opposed to the 9.4% in A+. the other thing to note, is that because it’s so easy to hit in A+, Skaggs may have nibbled more, which leads to a higher BB percentage.
the biggest difference is the drastic increase in flyballs. Skaggs got 50% groundballs at A+, and is now only getting 40% groundballs at AA. really small sample size so far in AA, as has been noted by others, but it’s something to pay attention to in the future.
also…..you shouldn’t take the fact that the percentages for Skaggs to be the same between AA and A+ as something to be granted. in general, many awesome pitching prospects struggle when they get promoted in-season to a higher level (I’m looking at you Jake Odorizzi). the fact that Skaggs hasn’t struggled since the promotion, is a testimony to 1) just how good of a prospect he is; 2) his polish; 3) the fact that he has a true major league plus secondary pitch (curveball). i should somewhat note here, that i’m not too fond of curveball specialists, because i don’t think it’s a great swing and miss pitch in the majors. slider specialists can get a ton of swings and misses, but it’s also supposed to be potentially devastating on their arms. so i guess what i’m trying to say, is that my favorite pitch is the changeup.
have i mentioned yet though, that Tyler Skaggs is freaking awesome?
by blue bulldog on Aug 24, 2011 3:36 PM EDT up reply actions
Tyler, is special! Tyler, is won-der-fulllllllllllllllll
TYYYYYYYYYYLLLLLLLLLERRRRRRRRRRRR
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by BulldogsNotZags on Aug 24, 2011 5:21 PM EDT up reply actions
It is really exciting to see Skaggs pitching so well in AA
He is so young. Amazing to see him have this kind of success. I, too, wonder if they are going to shut him down pretty soon. I take it no one knows what amount of innings they are looking to get from him this year?
I look forward every day to reading these reports about the Mobile pitching staff. So many great young pitchers there. It would be so fun to attend those games in Mobile. Alas.

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