Diamondbacks Playoff Odds: Weekly Update
Seven days has passed since the last time we looked at these, so seems an appropriate point to see how things have changed since then. Arizona has gone 3-3, while San Francisco has played an extra game, but lost it, so went 3-4 on the week. This extended the Diamondbacks' lead in the division by half a point, to its current 2.5 game level. However, more importantly, a week came off the schedule, without the Giants making any inroads at all, which makes their task the rest of the way, that much tougher.
We'll look at the same three scenarios as last time, for the Diamondbacks win percentage the rest of the way, and break down what that means the Giants need to do to overtake us.
Scenario 1: Diamondbacks maintain current Win % (.552).
At that pace, we would go 89-73. To finish with 90 wins, the Giants would need to go 23-13 the rest of the way. That's a .639 W% - 11 points up on this time last week, close to the .650 the Phillies have managed in the NL over 2911 In terms of current form, the Giants have won 23 games in their last 48 contests, going 23-25, so they now have a dozen less than that to play with.
Next, assume that the D-backs play .552 baseball over the 31 games against non-Giants. That would give us 17 additional wins, putting us on 86 wins before playing SF. The list below shows what the Giants would need to do in their 30 non-Dbacks games to beat us, based on the result of their games against us.
- If we go 6-0 (92 wins), SF has to go 26-4
- If we go 5-1 (91 wins), SF has to go 24-6
- If we go 4-2 (90 wins), SF has to go 22-8
- If we go 3-3 (89 wins), SF has to go 20-10
- If we go 2-4 (88 wins), SF has to go 18-12
- If we go 1-5 (87 wins), SF has to go 16-14
- If we go 0-6 (86 wins), SF has to go 14-16
The Giants current W% of .532 is 16-14 over 30 games. As last week, if they did that in the match-ups against other teams, we could lose both series, go 2-4, and still win the West. That hasn't changed. But what has, is the path the Giants have if we do any better - it has become a lot steeper. If we split the six games, last week, the Giants needed to go 23-14 elsewhere to beat us, a .622 W%. After an anemic 3-4 record, that number is now 20-10, a 667 W%.
Scenario 2: Diamondbacks maintain current Pythagorean W% (.513).
We may have split our six games, but we were outscored 19-26, so our Pythagorean - the win percentage based on runs scored and allowed - takes a hit, and we are now over-performing it by five games. The Giants, despite losing an extra game, were only outscored by one run overall, 20-21. Let's assume that Arizona drops back to .513 over the next 37 games. That would be 19 wins, giving them 88, the same as last week. To reach 89, the Giants now need to go 22-14. That's a .611 W%, up 30 points on last week, and way ahead of their current .532 real W%, .
Repeating the exercise described above for the Giants series, what do we find? .513 over 31 non-Giants games is a 16-15 record, putting Arizona at 85 wins, plus the games against San Francisco
- If we go 6-0 (91 wins), SF has to go 25-5
- If we go 5-1 (90 wins), SF has to go 23-7
- If we go 4-2 (89 wins), SF has to go 21-9
- If we go 3-3 (88 wins), SF has to go 19-11
- If we go 2-4 (87 wins), SF has to go 17-13
- If we go 1-5 (86 wins), SF has to go 15-15
- If we go 0-6 (85 wins), SF has to go 13-17
As last week, that's one less win than Scenario #1, but doesn't really help the Giants cause. They still really need to beat the Diamondbacks head-to-head. Even a split would leave them with a mountain to climb in their other 30 games.
Scenario 3: Diamondbacks play .500 ball.
As a final estimate, let's say Arizona simply plays even down the stretch, splitting the remaining 37 games. That's 18.5 wins, taking them to 87.5. To reach 88, the Giants still need to go 21-15, which works out at a .583 W%, twenty-five points higher than the .558 when we checked last Saturday. Crunching the numbers as before, for the head-to-head games: 15.5 wins in the 31 non-Giants encounters = 84.5 wins, so:
- If we go 6-0 (90.5 wins), SF has to go 24-6
- If we go 5-1 (89.5 wins), SF has to go 22-8
- If we go 4-2 (88.5 wins), SF has to go 20-10
- If we go 3-3 (87.5 wins), SF has to go 18-12
- If we go 2-4 (86.5 wins), SF has to go 16-14
- If we go 1-5 (85.5 wins), SF has to go 14-26
- If we go 0-6 (84.5 wins), SF has to go 12-18
As we went 3-3, this is the scenario which unfolded over the past week, but San Francisco going 3-4 has, as in the other two hypotheses, hurt them. A split of their contest with us, last week, required a .568 W% in SF's other games. Now, the equivalent number is at .600.
Conclusion
Despite the past three games, it has been a good week for the Diamondbacks, increasing their lead and taking seven games off the schedule for the Giants. That doesn't even take into account the opponents: as previously noted, tomorrow is likely the last time, outside of the contests against San Francisco, that Arizona will see a team above .500. So if we can get through the weekend with the lead at more than two, it'll be like clearing Becher's Brook in the final lap of the Grand National.
CoolStandings.com has us at a 68.0% chance of taking the division, up 5.8% on last week. Even Baseball Prospectus has cut five percent off the Giants' odds, though they still sit at 69.4%. I've got a bottle of champagne in the fridge for when they finally put the Diamondbacks above 50% - I'm thinking that will likely be around game three of the World Series...
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Writer Bill Evans: "if it's the D'backs, don't bother..."
http://www.nj.com/gloucester-sports/index.ssf/2011/08/release_of_mlb_postseason_sche.html
This needs to be up on every single D’back locker.
"The wise writer, I think, writes for the youth of his own generation, the critic of the next and the schoolmasters of ever afterward." F. Scott Fitzgerald.
Honestly though
I doubt anyone would want to face the Phillies or the Giants in the playoffs. People still believe in the maxim “pitching wins the playoffs”.
I don’t think anyone would argue that Tim Lincecum and Matt Cain four times is way scarier than IPK and Hudson four times. And you’d have to face Madison Bumgarner too.
Of course I mean…the same thing could be said about facing the triumvirate of Halladay, Lee, and Hamels.
by blue bulldog on Aug 20, 2011 5:50 PM EDT up reply actions
But I like the thought of those teams facing Bauer
In other words, IPK, Bauer and Hudson, especially since nobody in those two lineups has seen Bauer, tips the scales a little bit.
Don’t be such a pessimist. The games aren’t played on paper or in virtual land. Over confidence breeds poor preparation, and the Phillies might fall victim.
"The wise writer, I think, writes for the youth of his own generation, the critic of the next and the schoolmasters of ever afterward." F. Scott Fitzgerald.
by NASCARbernet on Aug 20, 2011 6:13 PM EDT up reply actions
Don't think so
Baseball Prospectus says there’s only going to be a 36.4% chance there’ll be a game 3 of the World Series.
It's the end of the world!
DROOOOOOOOOOOOO!!! WHHYYYYYYYYY!!!!
by imstillhungry95 on Aug 20, 2011 6:31 PM EDT up reply actions
Uh oh
Baseball Prospectus says there’s a 78.3% chance of a meteor shower tonight… Better get in my lair!
And if anyone’s wondering, I actually have nothing against BP. I love ’em. But these playoff odds look pretty loony.
by CaptainCanuck on Aug 20, 2011 7:07 PM EDT up reply actions
I probably would have gone with 18-19 there
You already had the 19-18 scenario. Going with the 18.5 game scenario makes it less realistic.
This series is great though, and appropriately puts focus where it needs to be…play them one at a time…but the two Giants series are pretty much the whole ball of wax.
The worst major leaguer is better at baseball than I'll ever be at anything I ever do in my life.
Hey Jim,
let me know when you’re going to be pouring that champagne. I’ll be able to leagally drink it, because I’m going to be well over 21 by the time BP actually has us at over 50% chance of winning the division!
DROOOOOOOOOOOOO!!! WHHYYYYYYYYY!!!!
by imstillhungry95 on Aug 20, 2011 6:32 PM EDT reply actions
Hellllooooo There
Long time listener, first time caller. Unfortunately none of my friends are big baseball fans, so I figured I could find some here.
I’m feeling a start to a new win streak tonight…
Sometimes statistics
Are ruined by the Sean Burroughs’ and Cody Ransom’s of the world.
Like, seriously, CAN WE PLEASE STOP STARTING THEM.
Wear your own fur.
Some more clarification on BP's playoff odds
OK, so I’ve spent some more time poking around behind the pay wall, and I’ve figured out exactly whats going on. First of all, of course there is no “bias”. They are not out to diss the D Backs and fawn all over the Giants.
As I mentioned earlier, this is based on their Pecota productions, and then sims they run on those projections over the balance of the schedule.
As of this morning they project the Giants to go 20-15 while scoring 152 Runs and allowing 132. Their projected batting is .262/.319/.395 the rest of the way.
They projection the D Backs to go 17-19, while scoring 171 runs and allowing 181 runs. The D Backs batting is projected to be .260/.326/.426
So I think I know what the problems are.
First of all, thats just entirely too much offense they are projecting. 4.34 R/g for the Giants and 4.75 R/G for the D Backs.
Clearly offense is down this year from last year…(although less so once the summer months came ….run scoring popped back up a bit with the hot weather) Currently the avg NL R/G is 4.15, compared to 4.33 last year. I think EVERY projection model missed the downturn in offense this year. And I don’t think they have made enough adjustment to their “rest of season” model to account for that.
The Giants are scoring just 3.41 RG so far this year, and I don’t think there is any way to reasonably project they will score 4.34 RG from here out…..even with a soft schedule.
The difference for the D Backs is not quite as great. But they have scored 4.48 RG, and it seems unlikely they will suddenly start scoring 4.75 RG.
So clearly this is a failure of their system to adjust for the offensive level, and that glitch in their rest of season model is clearly benefitting the Giants more than the D Backs for whatever reason.
Anyway……there is no conspiracy……just a failure on their Pecota system to project such a severe downturn in offense, and they have not tweaked the system in season to account for it. (Which they should be…since it’s a PAY SITE !)
The worst major leaguer is better at baseball than I'll ever be at anything I ever do in my life.
Giant injuries:
One things to consider is that in the near future Beltran and Wilson will be off the DL and back for the giants. These are arguably the two of the 4 most impactful players on the team. (The others being Lincecum, Cain, Sandoval and Vogelsong). The Giants #2 right hander, from their bullpen, is also hurt.
The giants could make a move and possibly regain 1st place when/if they get these key players back.

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