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Diamondbacks 2, Phillies 9: Can't Win 'Em All...

Victorino: "Hahaha! You get to face Cliff Lee today!!"
Ransom: "Hahaha! You have to face Joe Sa... Oh, never mind..."

Record: 69-54. Pace: 91-71. Change on last season: +21

The Diamondbacks couldn't quite pull off another win against a top-ranked pitcher, but it was close. They had the lead in the middle of the second, thanks to Paul Goldschmidt's third home-run, and Joe Saunders fought Cliff Lee to a stalemate through six innings, with the score tied at two. However, Saunders couldn't retire any of the first three batters faced in the seventh, and all three came around to score. Brad Ziegler didn't help things with his eighth inning, and St. Gibby's line-up magic failed to work today, with the offense held to only three hits all night. Which was, by coincidence, the same as the number of Arizona errors.

The Giants won, but overall, we have got past the worst part of the series, with our lead half a game bigger than it was when we finished up against the Mets. That's more than acceptable.

Star-divide

After an RBI single with no outs in the second tied the game up, Joe Saunders faced one batter over the minimum from there through the end of the sixth inning, and looked increasingly good doing so. The problem was what book-ended that spell: It was preceded by the Phillies going 3-for-5 with a home-run and a walk, and followed by them being 2-for-2 with a walk. The overall result was a respectable five hits over six innings, but Saunders walked four and only struck out three, never a good ratio. That led to five earned runs for Joe.

When the end came, it came quickly: Saunders was only at 90 pitches after six frames, but struggled immediately in the seventh, walking the lead-off man on four pitches. Half a dozen more, and he was gone, with back-to-back hits by the Phillies, the key one a two-run tie-breaking double, that put the home team ahead to stay. Joe Paterson allowed the inherited runner to score, but limited the damage. Unfortunately, Ziegler went one better than Saunders, as the first four Phillies reached base against him,. and they all scored as well, though only one was charged to Ziegler as an earned run.

That padded a margin that definitely does not reflect the balance of play over the entire game. After the Phillies took the lead in the bottom of the first, on a Jimmy Rollins lead-off homer, Arizona came back immediately in the top of the second. Chris Young walked, and Goldschmidt then happened, depositing one out of the park to left-center, to five the Diamondbacks the lead. It didn't last long, but I think we'd have settled for being tied after six against Cliff Lee. If he perhaps wasn't as overpowering as Roy Halladay, "only" striking out seven batters, he was hardly less effective.

For Arizona did not have a single at-bat with anyone in scoring position all night. The only time we got runners past first, was when CY and Goldie were rounding the bases, after the latter's homer. Apart from that, the sole times the team really threatened to break the tie, Lee was able to dial up a double-play ball and end the threat. In the sixth, Ryan Roberts singled with one out; in the seventh, Goldschmidt walked with one out. But in both cases, the subsequent play was the same, as Justin Upton and Cody Ransom respectively, hit the ball to an infielder, and the inning came to an abrupt halt.

As noted, St. Kirk's efforts to stack the line-up with right-handed batters didn't work. Collin Cowgill, Henry Blanco and Cody Ransom were a combined 0-for-9 with no walks and two K's. And they didn't even make Lee work particularly hard, those nine outs lasting a total of 25 pitches. Hopefully, we'll see our A-roster out there tomorrow for the series finale, which sees Ian Kennedy seek to put Vance Worley in his place.

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Bugs Bunny: Paul Goldschmidt, +19.8%
My Little Pony: Friendship Is Magic: Joe Saunders, -20.6%
Bronies: Ransom, -12.3%; Upton, -11.3%

Despite the disappointing tone of the game, we approached 1,400 comments over two threads.  imstillhungry95 led with 213, soco had a hundred less, while Clefo and Rockkstarr12 reached exactly 100. Also present: Backin'the'Backs, Bcawz, njjohn, DbacksSkins, Majabe, piratedan7, BulldogsNotZags, Baja F1, SongBird, Juptoncredible, Jim McLennan, 4 Corners Fan, snakecharmer, kishi, asteroid, mrssoco, hotclaws, marionette, BattleMoses, Zavada's Moustache, venomfan, SenSurround, blank_38, txzona, DKuon, NASCARbernet, dbacksfann, Craig from Az, luckycc, Jdub220, Gildo, rfffr, Brian MacKinney, bownesy (welcome!), AZDBACKR, Scott Howard, UofAZGrad, TinySarabia, Augdogs, blue bulldog, YoungCardsFanatic, sonic barracuda, mbarnard11, Conrad Kaczmarek, brian custer, Gibbysdad, Skii, The so-called Beautiful, Turambar and heartpursuer (welcome!).

Even though the Giants won [albeit staving off an epic comeback by the Braves, from six down in the ninth, to having the tying run at the plate!], let's go with something optimistic for Comment of the Night:

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My poor Joe :(

I felt bad for him tonight…I really thought he was going to get a win but the 7th inning doomed him :(

I hope my other pitcher, IPK, redeems us tomorrow!

"I didn't mean to hit the umpire with the dirt, but I did mean to hit that bastard in the stands." -Babe Ruth

by Rockkstarr12 on Aug 17, 2011 11:19 PM EDT reply actions  

6, actually.

All singles.

Goldschmidt happens.

by DbacksSkins on Aug 18, 2011 12:09 AM EDT up reply actions  

this

makes me so sad :(

probably my worst prediction of prospect performance (including other team’s prospects) this year…though admittedly i was a lot more bullish on Cowgill than plenty of others

by blue bulldog on Aug 18, 2011 1:39 AM EDT up reply actions  

It's

also a very small sample yet.

Goldschmidt happens.

by DbacksSkins on Aug 18, 2011 1:01 PM EDT up reply actions  

SSS

And 1st year. If you keep assessing correctness based on dudes’ first months in the majors, you’re going to find yourself disappointed a lot. :P That said, I think Pollock is the better player already.

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by Dan Strittmatter on Aug 18, 2011 4:03 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions  

Yeah

that Justin Upton turned out pretty badly after his 55 wRC+ in 152 PAs in 2007. ;-)

BB knows this, I’m sure. Just disappointed.

Goldschmidt happens.

by DbacksSkins on Aug 18, 2011 6:20 PM EDT up reply actions  

New personal best for most comments on the night

You would have thought it would come on a win, however…

DROOOOOOOOOOOOO!!! WHHYYYYYYYYY!!!!

by imstillhungry95 on Aug 17, 2011 11:32 PM EDT reply actions  

Personal best? I feel so used. ;-D

I thought you were part of the welcoming committee, commenting on my first-ever contribution last night. Now it turns out you were just pumping your numbers. How can I believe in anything anymore. LOL

by heartpursuer on Aug 18, 2011 7:16 PM EDT up reply actions  

Ah well

As you said, can’t win ‘em all. We hung in there against Cliff Lee. That was cool. Goldy’s HR was awesome. The Phillies are a good team. We can’t pitch poorly against good teams and expect to win. The Phillies are not the Astros.

Hey, we’re still in 1st place! And 15 games over .500. This still feels great!

by SongBird on Aug 18, 2011 1:17 AM EDT reply actions  

Me, too.

But I don’t expect it to happen.

Goldschmidt happens.

by DbacksSkins on Aug 18, 2011 1:01 PM EDT up reply actions  

Besides,

there’ll also be a half game in there somewhere.

Goldschmidt happens.

by DbacksSkins on Aug 18, 2011 1:02 PM EDT up reply actions  

and the Joe Saunders regression

continues :(

terrible timing Mr. Saunders….

by blue bulldog on Aug 18, 2011 1:43 AM EDT reply actions  

What are you talking about?

For six plus innings, he was mighty tough. Got gassed a bit in the seventh. Big deal.

"The wise writer, I think, writes for the youth of his own generation, the critic of the next and the schoolmasters of ever afterward." F. Scott Fitzgerald.

by NASCARbernet on Aug 18, 2011 2:50 AM EDT up reply actions  

Yea

He was pretty strong for 6. The strike zone was very small, which is bad for a guy like Saunders.

"When I get sad, I stop getting sad and be AWESOME instead. TRUE STORY."

by txzona on Aug 18, 2011 3:04 AM EDT up reply actions  

Yes!

He matched Lee pitch for pitch for six solid innings, was pulled and the metaphorical roof collapsed.

"The wise writer, I think, writes for the youth of his own generation, the critic of the next and the schoolmasters of ever afterward." F. Scott Fitzgerald.

by NASCARbernet on Aug 18, 2011 10:07 AM EDT up reply actions  

Don't

let your facts get in the way of the narrative!

Tomorrow is another day.

by soco on Aug 18, 2011 9:13 AM EDT up reply actions  

I should have known...

my bad.

"The wise writer, I think, writes for the youth of his own generation, the critic of the next and the schoolmasters of ever afterward." F. Scott Fitzgerald.

by NASCARbernet on Aug 18, 2011 10:06 AM EDT up reply actions  

Shame on you

Tomorrow is another day.

by soco on Aug 18, 2011 10:15 AM EDT up reply actions  

I am acutely

feeling the pain.

Seriously, Joe kept them in the game on a night when the strike zone was acting like a fading worm hole in a Star Trek episode.

"The wise writer, I think, writes for the youth of his own generation, the critic of the next and the schoolmasters of ever afterward." F. Scott Fitzgerald.

by NASCARbernet on Aug 18, 2011 10:59 AM EDT up reply actions  

I didnt watch

but from the radio side, it sounded like not only was the strike zone small, but the ump was inconsistant with it. Any thoughts from those that watched it?

I got nothin'.

by Bcawz on Aug 18, 2011 11:02 AM EDT up reply actions  

that's a pretty accurate description.

It was super small early, then expanded, then small, then expanded again, et. cetera.

"The wise writer, I think, writes for the youth of his own generation, the critic of the next and the schoolmasters of ever afterward." F. Scott Fitzgerald.

by NASCARbernet on Aug 18, 2011 12:16 PM EDT up reply actions  

It kind of

sounded to me like it expanded in the top of each inning, and shrunk in the bottom of each inning from the radio discriptioin

DROOOOOOOOOOOOO!!! WHHYYYYYYYYY!!!!

by imstillhungry95 on Aug 18, 2011 12:36 PM EDT up reply actions  

Wait a second...

whose facts are getting in the way of the narrative now?

Goldschmidt happens.

by DbacksSkins on Aug 18, 2011 1:05 PM EDT up reply actions  

My facts

Tomorrow is another day.

by soco on Aug 18, 2011 4:36 PM EDT up reply actions  

Yeah

He might have been left out too long, but he was solid. Can’t really ask for much more. He just happened to be pitching on a night where the other guy was also pretty good and our b lineup was out there

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by Clefo on Aug 18, 2011 11:03 AM EDT up reply actions  

That's pretty much my view, too.

"The wise writer, I think, writes for the youth of his own generation, the critic of the next and the schoolmasters of ever afterward." F. Scott Fitzgerald.

by NASCARbernet on Aug 18, 2011 12:35 PM EDT up reply actions  

It

was only 90 pitches when Joe started to fall apart. If he’s getting gassed after that many, maybe he should look for another line of work. It’s Joe Saunders we’re talking here, not Jarrod Parker.

If we’re going to celebrate Joe for good sequencing (“clutch” DPs and such) when he’s doing well, you can’t just gloss over it when he’s not. If that 4 pitch leadoff walk happens in the 5th, he doesn’t score. If the following single or double happen in the 6th, they don’t score. Heck, even assuming the walk and single, if Joe gets a ground ball from Valdez (who is TERRIBLE) rather than a flyball that turns into a double (and nearly a homer), maybe the score is now only 3-2 with 2 outs, or even 2-2. But when you go “walk, line drive, flyball” on 9 pitches, usually they’re going to score at least 1 run.

All that having been said, of course, neither the umpire nor his defense helped Joe out much last night, either. (Barring Roberts’ one good play)

Goldschmidt happens.

by DbacksSkins on Aug 18, 2011 1:27 PM EDT up reply actions  

Maybe

But again, it could have been one of those days. Candiotti kept saying how he looked out of it, gassed. Maybe it was the heat. Maybe it was the ump/defense; and thus his frustration. Maybe it was a bunch of high stress innings.

But your point is fair.

I still am not sold on RyRo playing second and anyone else filling in at 3rd. Our defense just seems worse (just my eyes/ears test though).

I got nothin'.

by Bcawz on Aug 18, 2011 2:02 PM EDT up reply actions  

this is partially what the point of regression is

people pitch to their talent-levels over the long run. Joe Saunders is a 4-4.3 ERA guy, talent-level wise. people shouldn’t be expecting him to keep pitching to that dominating two-month level we just saw.

by blue bulldog on Aug 18, 2011 3:54 PM EDT up reply actions  

He may

be better than 4-4.3, but your point remains.

Regression isn’t some magical “force” that suddenly causes players to do badly or do well based on their career numbers. It happens for legitimate non-statistics reasons.

It kinda goes back to the misunderstood causality debate the other day. Probability isn’t predicting that Joe Saunders pitches worse just for probability’s sake, because probability is always right. Probability just says that, usually, legitimate baseball reasons, along with plain luck (difficult to pinpoint reasons, in other words) will cause Joe to stop pitching this well.

In this case, “Joe Saunders is getting tired” might be one of the reasons, for all we know.

Goldschmidt happens.

by DbacksSkins on Aug 18, 2011 6:39 PM EDT up reply actions  

for all we know

it could have been the weather…. how many games do our pitchers toil in an environment with high humidity and high temps? Wasn’t it in the mid 80’s and the east coast usually has humidity levels well into the 70’s and up. Or it could simply be that the Phillies, who have one of the best overall records in the game, simply got to Joe later rather than sooner.

I used to be disgusted, now I try to be amused....

by piratedan7 on Aug 18, 2011 4:13 PM EDT up reply actions  

The postseason will go through Philly

So let’s hope that isn’t what happened.

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by Dan Strittmatter on Aug 18, 2011 4:24 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions  

Greg Schulte even mentioned that Joe looked like the weather was getting to him

"I didn't mean to hit the umpire with the dirt, but I did mean to hit that bastard in the stands." -Babe Ruth

by Rockkstarr12 on Aug 19, 2011 12:08 AM EDT up reply actions  

This

"I didn't mean to hit the umpire with the dirt, but I did mean to hit that bastard in the stands." -Babe Ruth

by Rockkstarr12 on Aug 19, 2011 12:06 AM EDT up reply actions  

I thought Joe did a pretty good job

Yeah, I’m his cheerleader, but still…;)

He was tough but lost his mojo in the 7th :(

"I didn't mean to hit the umpire with the dirt, but I did mean to hit that bastard in the stands." -Babe Ruth

by Rockkstarr12 on Aug 19, 2011 12:07 AM EDT up reply actions  

A couple of nights ago

Weren’t most of us hoping/expecting to take 1 win of the series? We did, and sure, we would be thrilled to get another one (or two), but as Scarett O’Hara once said, “tomorrow is another ball game”

Cheer up!

Baseball Weirdo

by AZDBACKR on Aug 18, 2011 1:55 AM EDT reply actions  

Why yes

she did!

Tomorrow is another day.

by soco on Aug 18, 2011 9:18 AM EDT up reply actions  

Vance Worley vs Ian Kennedy

I like our chances.

"When I get sad, I stop getting sad and be AWESOME instead. TRUE STORY."

by txzona on Aug 18, 2011 2:32 AM EDT reply actions  

Not so sure.

Better ERA than IPK, although I haven’t checked the underlying peripherals.

Goldschmidt happens.

by DbacksSkins on Aug 18, 2011 1:04 PM EDT up reply actions  

Last start:
Vance Worley didn’t factor into the decision on Wednesday after yielding six runs and seven hits in four innings with three walks and six strikeouts against the Dodgers.

So who knows.

I got nothin'.

by Bcawz on Aug 18, 2011 1:19 PM EDT up reply actions  

Yup.

(Of course, the Phillies still won 9-8, but still)

Maybe he’s got young pitcher deadarm. I’m certainly hoping that happens again. (The Worley stuff. Not the 9-8 Philly win stuff)

Goldschmidt happens.

by DbacksSkins on Aug 18, 2011 1:31 PM EDT up reply actions  

Yeah

I want the series now. IPK pitching the rubber match. Lets take it.

I got nothin'.

by Bcawz on Aug 18, 2011 2:03 PM EDT up reply actions  

Let's CRUSH

them in this game. I think IPK is going to go out there and just shut them down, and our offense will do the rest.

DROOOOOOOOOOOOO!!! WHHYYYYYYYYY!!!!

by imstillhungry95 on Aug 18, 2011 2:25 PM EDT up reply actions  

Hopefully.

IPK shut them out and beat Cliff Lee last time.

Goldschmidt happens.

by DbacksSkins on Aug 18, 2011 6:21 PM EDT up reply actions  

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