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Diamondbacks 3, Phillies 2: The Lyle Overbay Show

I am become Lyle Overbay, the destroyer of Halladays.

Record: 69-53 Pace: 92-70 Change on last season: +21

It's a shame that SBN doesn't allow formatting in its story titles, otherwise the title of this recap would be: The Roy Halladay Lyle Overbay Show. Seriously. I was all ready to call this "The Roy Halladay Show", until the Dbacks came back to shock the baseball world in the top of the 9th.

Obviously, you've seen the score, so I'm not spoiling anything by telling you upfront that the Diamondbacks won. What's fascinating is not only THAT they did it, but HOW they did it.

Details after the jump!

Star-divide

As noted, originally, this recap was going to be called The Roy Halladay Show, and it was going to involve me copying and pasting inning descriptions. Something like this:

First Justin Upton struck out looking, then Miguel Montero grounded out, then Chris Young struck out swinging.

No, seriously. That's actually what happened in the top of the 6th inning, and nobody would have faulted you for believing it. Until the 9th, that is.

Before we get there, let's briefly go over what happened over the rest of the game.

Nothing against Roy Halladay. He may not have been at his very sharpest, but he WAS fantastic. He scattered 8 hits and an intentional walk over a 9 inning complete game, 7 of those being singles, and struck out 14. Yes, 14. That's ridiculous. Doc used 122 pitches to do it. Josh Collmenter, for his part, probably had one of the best outings of his young career, too. Last time out, you may recall, Collmenter won by throwing 7 innings of 2 run ball against the Astros, with 4 hits, 5 strikeouts and a walk. This time out, he didn't get the decision, but went 6 2/3 innings, gave up 2 runs against a much stronger offense, allowing 8 hits and 2 walks, 3 for extra bases. Josh beat his previous career high for Ks, however, striking out 8 Phillies. (Previous high: 7 against the Brewers)

In the top of the 2nd, Chris Young singled and stole second, before Lyle Overbay, in his 2nd plate appearance of the year with the team, laced a line drive single to RF to put the Dbacks on top 1-0, but then Sean Burroughs happened, (Seriously...seemed like Burroughs happened RIGHT AFTER Overbay every single time...hmmm) and that was all the scoring success the Diamondbacks would have until the 9th.

Not only did Roy Halladay pitch a pretty impressive game from the mound, but he also reached base twice on a double and a single. The latter led off the bottom of the 3rd, and after a Jimmy Rollins strikeout and Shane Victorino flyout, the always-dangerous Chase Utley (3 hits tonight) doubled, while Ryan Howard walked to load the bases. Unfazed, Collmenter struck out Hunter Pence on 11 pitches to end the threat. Despite running up Josh's pitch count during that appearance, Pence was particularly tormented by Collmenter tonight, with 3 of his 8 strikeouts. Combined with Collmenter's start against the Astros on May 29th, Pence is now 1-6 with 4 Ks against Josh this year.

Josh wasn't as lucky in the 5th. After Doc grounded out, Rollins squared him up for a line drive single before Victorino hit one out of the park to give the Phillies a 2-1 lead. The way Halladay was pitching, it might as well have been a 10-1 lead.

That's because Halladay was in the midst of setting down 12 straight Diamondbacks, 8 of them via strikeout. After a Gerardo Parra leadoff single in the 5th, Halladay didn't yield another baserunner until the 9th, striking out the side in the 5th and 8th. This included a Kelly Johnson pinch hit appearance, coming in place of Joe Paterson, who relieved Collmenter to get Chase Utley out with 2 down, after Halladay's leadoff double. Truly a LOOGY, that Joe Paterson, though one expects Gibson would've kept him in to face Howard had Utley reached.

Instead, after KJ's PK, Bryan Shaw came in to face the Phillies in the 8th. Howard grounded out, but Hunter Pence, glad to finally be facing Not Josh Collmenter, singled. No matter, Raul Ibanez did a very Raul Ibanez thing and grounded into a double play.

Having thrown 100 pitches, with a 2-1 lead, and without having allowed a baserunner since the first batter in the 5th, Charlie Manuel gave Halladay his full confidence, and let him go for the complete game. FanGraphs gave the Phillies an 84.2% win chance. More damning, not only had the Phillies not lost a Halladay start at home since April 29th, but they were exactly 66-1 when leading after 8 innings, and had gone 22-11 in 1 run games. The Dbacks, on the other hand, despite a propensity for comeback victories, came in with a 2-47 record when down after 8 innings.

Make those 66-2, 22-12, and 3-47. You see, along comes the 9th, and a funny thing happens as "Halladay goes for 16", as the SportsCenter headline still read after the game. MVP candidate Justin Upton led off with a single, his only hit of the game, and running his current streak to seven games. Upton's single came on an opposite-field bloop to right field on a pitch on the outside part of the plate. After him, Miguel Montero did the same, singling to right field to bring up. Chris Young was asked to bunt, which was a little odd with nobody out, since he may be slumping, but he rarely hits into double plays. CY bunted foul three straight times for a frustrating strike out. After CY's K, Gibson sent in Collin Cowgill to pinch run for Miggy, and up came, once again, Lyle Overbay.

Despite having closer Ryan Madson up in the bullpen, but more importantly, lefty Antonio Bastardo, Manuel opted, instead, to trust his ace, despite Overbay already having an two singles in the game against his former Blue Jays teammate. Overbay didn't mess around, shooting a line drive to right center on the first pitch he saw, over the head of Victorino.

Oh, the joy! Upton came flying around to score easily, while Cowgill had to dive for the plate around the reach of Carlos Ruiz, reaching home at about the same time as the ball. BOOM! 2-1, Diamondbacks.

Though Sean Burroughs happened, (a popup to Howard with Overbay still at 3rd and 1 out) Gerardo Parra was intentionally walked and stole 2nd, but Paul Goldschmidt pinch struck out looking, Halladay's 14th and final victim of the day.

So, a 3-2 lead over the probable Cy Young winner, in his home park, in the bottom of the 9th. Time for The Easy Button. JJ Putz came on to close it out, luckily facing the bottom of the Phillies' order. Carlos Ruiz worked a leadoff walk, and Michael Martinez bunted to send him to 2nd. Putz was done putzing around, though, striking out pinch hitter Ross Gload (who was 1-2 with 2 walks vs. Putz in his career) and Rollins to end the game and seal the shocking comeback victory.

Not that comeback victories should be much of a shock anymore with this team. This was their 35th, which is good for first in the Major Leagues by 3. The Diamondbacks are also now 3-1 against the Phillies this year, and a season split at worst is nothing to be ashamed of against the team with the best record in baseball. It may be a small sample anomaly, of course, but there are only two teams in the NL against whom the Phillies have only won a single game this year: The Dbacks and the Brewers, both of whom might face the Phillies in the postseason.

Halladay's 7th complete game of the year also came with some shenanigans on the basepaths. CY snatched a pivotal base ahead of Overbay's first RBI, and Parra stole two as well. Halladay was also called for a balk in the 4th.

In Lyle Overbay's 100th game for the team that originally drafted him in 1999, he also had his 73rd, 74th, and 75th hits, his 21st double, and just his 30th, 31st and 32nd RBI. I think he'd tell you these were easily the biggest. He's also now 6 for 14 in his career against Roy Halladay.

 

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Superman: Lyle Overbay, +67.0%

Batman: JJ Putz, +19.4%

The Green Lantern: Miguel Montero, +15.8%

Lex Luthor: Chris Young, -16.9%

Sean Burroughs: Sean Burroughs, -14.6%

The Riddler: Willie Bloomquist, -10.5%

 

One of the biggest wins of the year came complete with one of the biggest gameday threads of the year. In what must be near-records, 64 total commenters combined for 1612 total comments. Leading all was imstillhungry with 172, with SongBird in second place at 112. BulldogsNotZags did not join them in the century club but his 98 comments was good for 3rd. Also present were Clefo, diamondfacts, andrewryno, Bcawz, Zavada's Moustache, kishi, Juptoncredible, Backin'the'Backs, blank_38, iTalk2Cornfields, JoeStock, asteroid, Jim, venomfan, Baja F1, SenSurround, AZDBACKR, txzona, me, Jdub220, njjohn, Gildo, CaptainCanuck, blue bulldog, Rockkstarr12, hotclaws, The so-called Beautiful, TinySarabia, Craig from Az, Brian MacKinney, JuicyJuice, emilylovesthedbacks, NASCARbernet, 4 Corners Fan, Turambar, luckycc, marionette, sonic barracuda, dbacks25, Muu, LiamNeeson, rfffr, BattleMoses, Baseballdad, Scottyyy, DiamondbacksWIn, Skii, GuruB, iheartdbacks, YoungCardsFanatic, The Goat, oldspartan, Husk, Torpedosneak, Wailord, snakecharmer, Coach Cleats, themysticalone, mrssoco, Stile4aly, bbtng. Welcome to the Snakepit to bbtng, Juptoncredible, JuicyJuice, and anyone else I might've missed!

 

Two comments of the night. This one:

a good day?

A good day involves a trip to Baskin Robbins for a single dip. We just dunked our heads in the fudge vat.

"Baseball fans are junkies, and their heroin is the statistic." Robert S. Wieder

by njjohn on Aug 16, 2011 7:13 PM MST

 

...for doing an excellent job expressing how most of us felt. That, students, is a good example of a metaphor.

This one by kishi for being prophetic (referring to a post being delayed in the GDT):

Eh

Still faster than a DBacksSkins recap.

"Never ignore a coincidence. Unless you're busy, in which case always ignore a coincidence."

by kishi on Aug 16, 2011 5:21 PM MST 

 

I trust no explanation is needed.

The Giants lost to the Braves tonight, 2-1 in the 11th, so our lead in the NL West is now up to 3.5 games. In fact, Baseball Prospectus has gone so far as to lower the Giants' odds at winning the division to 71%. Yay progress!

As Jim pointed out in the Gameday Thread (and Eric Stephen on Twitter before him), tonight was only the second time in the last 5 years that a pitcher had struck out 14+ and lost. The first was Cliff Lee, who fanned 16 Braves in May but lost 5-0. Cliff Lee happens to be our opponent tomorrow. 12-7 with a 2.83 ERA are good marks, but one of those 7 came against the Diamondbacks in a 4-0 decision on April 25th. Will the team repeat their performance and win again tomorrow night? Find out tomorrow! Or don't. It's no skin off my nose.

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Winning,

You are doing it right.

I survived the 2004 & 2010 seasons.
Goldschmidt is AWESOME

by dbacks25 on Aug 17, 2011 2:04 AM EDT reply actions   2 recs

LOL and Sportscenter's highlight title on the sidescreen rundown is

“Halladay Career High”

Also the Sean Burroughs: Sean Burroughs (-14.6%) made me laugh out loud.

"First of all, Life Sucks. Alright? Period. Done deal. You got it? There's your lesson. Enjoy it."-Coach McGuirk, Home Movies.

by BulldogsNotZags on Aug 17, 2011 2:05 AM EDT reply actions   1 recs

The second part

IS yes.

Founder and Chairman of the Hire A Body Double For David Hernandez's Right Arm Commission. A non-profit organization.

by Dan Strittmatter on Aug 17, 2011 2:05 AM EDT up reply actions   1 recs

Yes, Sean Burroughs! He did make me crack up with the clawing back visual against the Mets and it went unspoken. He looked like a Vegas mime I saw a couple years ago spray painted in silver.

by Augdogs on Aug 17, 2011 4:57 AM EDT via mobile up reply actions  

Sean Burroughs: Sean Burroughs = hilarious

"Baseball fans are junkies, and their heroin is the statistic." Robert S. Wieder

by njjohn on Aug 17, 2011 10:00 AM EDT up reply actions  

Sorry for taking so long, folks.

You probably expected this recap to be SUPER AWESOME ZOMG WIN, but nope.

Goldschmidt happens.

by DbacksSkins on Aug 17, 2011 2:05 AM EDT reply actions  

No prob

Luckily, I got SnakeSounds up before decamping for the movie and mango sorbet, so that gave the chatterers somewhere. There’s 50 comments in there instead. ;-)

Daron "...the D. Baxter fan-club"
Mark: "A non-profit organization."

by Jim McLennan on Aug 17, 2011 2:19 AM EDT up reply actions  

Thank you!

it gave me something to do for awhile

DROOOOOOOOOOOOO!!! WHHYYYYYYYYY!!!!

by imstillhungry95 on Aug 17, 2011 2:21 AM EDT up reply actions  

I think Collmenter's efforts need to be hi-lighted

Dude was killer.

Founder and Chairman of the Hire A Body Double For David Hernandez's Right Arm Commission. A non-profit organization.

by Dan Strittmatter on Aug 17, 2011 2:06 AM EDT reply actions  

I mentioned it

as being “probably the best of his young career”, but it kinda got lost in the Vietnam Memorial-sized wall of text that is this recap.

Goldschmidt happens.

by DbacksSkins on Aug 17, 2011 2:07 AM EDT up reply actions  

I understand

It’s what the comments section is for. :-)

For a guy whose job was supposedly “on the line” two starts ago (haw hee haw hee haw), he’s turned up aces since.

Founder and Chairman of the Hire A Body Double For David Hernandez's Right Arm Commission. A non-profit organization.

by Dan Strittmatter on Aug 17, 2011 2:08 AM EDT up reply actions  

He's still not showing me enough

The differences between the 2nd and 3rd time through the order still seem a lot more pronounced for him than for other starting pitchers. Again, he can probably be an alright back-end starter, but is that the best use of our resources? Particularly with high-upside arms in the system coming up in the near future?

by blue bulldog on Aug 17, 2011 2:35 AM EDT up reply actions  

I'm not looking that far ahead

I just want a guy we can rely on this year. 8:1 K:BB ratio is plenty good.

Founder and Chairman of the Hire A Body Double For David Hernandez's Right Arm Commission. A non-profit organization.

by Dan Strittmatter on Aug 17, 2011 11:17 AM EDT via mobile up reply actions  

One game,

though.

Goldschmidt happens.

by DbacksSkins on Aug 17, 2011 12:24 PM EDT up reply actions  

Well,

His overall K:BB this season has been pretty good as well.

"Not a whit. We defy augury"
-Hamlet (Act V, Sc. II)

by Zavada's Moustache on Aug 17, 2011 2:22 PM EDT up reply actions  

True.

That’s the way he needs to pitch to be successful.

The K totals in general aren’t fantastic, but if he keeps refusing to walk people…

Counterpoint: Zach Duke

Goldschmidt happens.

by DbacksSkins on Aug 17, 2011 2:33 PM EDT up reply actions  

So, Collmenter MUST strike out people

but Daniel Hudson gets a pass? I don’t know.

Collmenter was very effective yesterday. I know this business about second and third time through the lineup, but Halladay was subject to the same effect, and I don’t hear anyone whining about what a sucky pitcher he is, et cetera.

"The wise writer, I think, writes for the youth of his own generation, the critic of the next and the schoolmasters of ever afterward." F. Scott Fitzgerald.

by NASCARbernet on Aug 17, 2011 4:53 PM EDT up reply actions  

well

Halladay was lights out third time through the lineup

by blue bulldog on Aug 17, 2011 5:19 PM EDT up reply actions  

This

See other thread.

Goldschmidt happens.

by DbacksSkins on Aug 17, 2011 7:18 PM EDT up reply actions  

You mean

the same Daniel Hudson with a 5% higher K rate already?

Goldschmidt happens.

by DbacksSkins on Aug 17, 2011 7:28 PM EDT up reply actions  

He was pretty great

Ran into some trouble early on, but worked out of it, and if it weren’t for one pitch that Victorino jumped on, we might not have needed a ninth inning comeback.

"Never ignore a coincidence. Unless you're busy, in which case always ignore a coincidence."

by kishi on Aug 17, 2011 2:12 AM EDT up reply actions  

From Nick P's recap:
Taking the blame: Right-hander Josh Collmenter said he was rushing when he threw a change-up to Shane Victorino in the fifth inning, a pitch that stayed up and that Victorino slammed into the right-field seats.

“I’ll take some responsibility for the home run to Victorino,” manager Kirk Gibson said. “I was making him throw over a lot.”

Gibson was trying to keep Jimmy Rollins close at first base.

“I was trying to be a little too quick with the change-up, and I just floated it up there,” Collmenter said. “I have to be better at getting that ball down.”

http://www.azcentral.com/sports/diamondbacks/articles/2011/08/16/20110816arizona-diamondbacks-philadelphia-phillies-816.html#ixzz1VGRYXyvt

Goldschmidt happens.

by DbacksSkins on Aug 17, 2011 2:16 AM EDT up reply actions  

I didn't get to listen to much of the game.....

damn work.

But I listened to the Pence at bat. I was shocked when I saw just how off balance and out front Pence was on the changeup that got the K when I saw the highlight.

And I listened to the 9th. So I got the best parts of the game.

As I said at the bullpen……….


I BELIEVE!! I BELIEVE !!

The worst major leaguer is better at baseball than I'll ever be at anything I ever do in my life.

by shoewizard on Aug 17, 2011 2:43 AM EDT up reply actions   1 recs

still think Pence

just messed up himself on that strikeout. he had fouled off plenty of better changeups, and it looked a lot more to me like after the count ran 3-2, he just got excited and forgot about plate discipline

by blue bulldog on Aug 17, 2011 12:59 PM EDT up reply actions  

He sure did.

That curve ball on 3-2 didn’t even start in the zone, and ended several feet out of the zone.

"Baseball fans are junkies, and their heroin is the statistic." Robert S. Wieder

by njjohn on Aug 17, 2011 1:03 PM EDT up reply actions  

Wanted

to be a hero to impress his new team?

I dunno, I was still at work then.

Goldschmidt happens.

by DbacksSkins on Aug 17, 2011 2:34 PM EDT up reply actions  

But

Superman sucks. It’s all about Batman, sucker!

Tomorrow is another day.

by soco on Aug 17, 2011 2:06 AM EDT reply actions  

I actually

thought about making one of the negative dudes be “Aquaman”. Or else someone who was basically neutral.

Goldschmidt happens.

by DbacksSkins on Aug 17, 2011 2:09 AM EDT up reply actions  

Aquaman

is truly awful.

Tomorrow is another day.

by soco on Aug 17, 2011 2:10 AM EDT up reply actions  

Eh...

probably still better than “Random-ass Politically Correct Apache Chief”.

Think that was his name, anyway.

Goldschmidt happens.

by DbacksSkins on Aug 17, 2011 2:10 AM EDT up reply actions  

Thank you

for quoting from the Baseballavad Gita…

"The wise writer, I think, writes for the youth of his own generation, the critic of the next and the schoolmasters of ever afterward." F. Scott Fitzgerald.

by NASCARbernet on Aug 17, 2011 2:07 AM EDT reply actions  

First time I looked at the graph

I thought it said “LOLverbay Double”.

I think I’m spending too much time on the internet.

"Never ignore a coincidence. Unless you're busy, in which case always ignore a coincidence."

by kishi on Aug 17, 2011 2:14 AM EDT reply actions   1 recs

I almost saw it too

Arizona Cardinals/Phoenix Suns/ Arizona Diamondbacks/Phoenix Coyotes/ Arizona Rattlers/Chicago Bears fan

[I have always lived in Arizona, dad is from Chicago].

by JoeCB1991 on Aug 17, 2011 2:48 AM EDT up reply actions  

I have three letters for Lyle Overbay tonight:

M. V. P.

Fine, that maybe be a bit of over kill, but he had a great night tonight, and once again proved why we should never, ever doubt one of Gibby’s lineups. Ever. I think he must have St. Penelope fill out the lineups for him, because thats the only way I can think of that these things actually work most of the time. Can’t argue with SEVEN in a row. Going for a season high tommorow on the Worldwide Leader in Arizona Hating. Should be fun!

DROOOOOOOOOOOOO!!! WHHYYYYYYYYY!!!!

by imstillhungry95 on Aug 17, 2011 2:18 AM EDT reply actions  

Just saw this intro for Buster Onley's blog

Buster Olney writes that the Giants will have to draw on last year’s experience to turn things around and win the NL West. It won’t be easy, however, with the Diamondbacks playing as well as they are.

I like how that sounds

DROOOOOOOOOOOOO!!! WHHYYYYYYYYY!!!!

by imstillhungry95 on Aug 17, 2011 2:20 AM EDT reply actions  

Unfortunately for them,

“experience” is no substitute for “luck”.

Goldschmidt happens.

by DbacksSkins on Aug 17, 2011 2:21 AM EDT up reply actions   3 recs

I know

that’s one of the things I like about those two sentances

DROOOOOOOOOOOOO!!! WHHYYYYYYYYY!!!!

by imstillhungry95 on Aug 17, 2011 2:22 AM EDT up reply actions  

+1

"Baseball fans are junkies, and their heroin is the statistic." Robert S. Wieder

by njjohn on Aug 17, 2011 10:02 AM EDT up reply actions  

Never, Never, Never Count this team out!!!!

This was the most impressive victory of the season! They had absolutely no business winning this game! That Philly crowd was SHOCKED to see us steal another game! If they can come back and beat Halladay at his best at home they can beat anyone. This team makes big plays when they need to just like their manager. They are Amazing!!!

by Gilbertsportsfan on Aug 17, 2011 2:22 AM EDT reply actions  

It was so cool

Up until the ninth inning, the crowed at CBP was so loud, and then it went silent. I didn’t know that a sell-out could sound so much like a cemetary. I liked it

DROOOOOOOOOOOOO!!! WHHYYYYYYYYY!!!!

by imstillhungry95 on Aug 17, 2011 2:24 AM EDT up reply actions  

What I'm finding to be particularly impressive

is how quickly the Giants have found themselves four games back in the loss column.

"The wise writer, I think, writes for the youth of his own generation, the critic of the next and the schoolmasters of ever afterward." F. Scott Fitzgerald.

by NASCARbernet on Aug 17, 2011 2:25 AM EDT up reply actions  

It is

impressive in a 2008 Dbacks kind of way. Hope we never get to find out what that’s like again

DROOOOOOOOOOOOO!!! WHHYYYYYYYYY!!!!

by imstillhungry95 on Aug 17, 2011 2:26 AM EDT up reply actions  

2007 and 2008 we did not have as good of an offense as we have now and we didn't

have the MVP candidate Justin Upton that we have now. This team lives for big moments and produces when it counts.

by Gilbertsportsfan on Aug 17, 2011 2:34 AM EDT up reply actions  

The d-backs have definitely provided themselves with some breathing room but they

will need this breathing room because they have 5 tough games left against Philly and the Braves and the Giants have a very easy schedule after their done with the Braves. Hopefully, the Braves can take at least 1 more from the Giants.

by Gilbertsportsfan on Aug 17, 2011 2:30 AM EDT up reply actions  

I almost feel sorry for them

The amount of injuries is amazing. Amazing that they are even still in the hunt for the playoffs. That is what good pitching will do for you.

by SongBird on Aug 17, 2011 2:34 AM EDT up reply actions  

Injuries are part of the game, just look at the D-backs. But the difference is when

the D-backs have an injured player they find someone like Overbay that immediately produces when the Giants don’t.

by Gilbertsportsfan on Aug 17, 2011 2:37 AM EDT up reply actions  

Another difference is

one of our injuries happened to a useless player. :)

by CaptainCanuck on Aug 17, 2011 2:42 AM EDT up reply actions  

Yup

Just saying why injuries haven’t really taken a big hit on us.

by CaptainCanuck on Aug 17, 2011 2:47 AM EDT up reply actions  

well the organizational depth

may have something to do with it, lets be honest, look at the steady stream of folks that have been getting their shots from the minors for the club. We don’t take 1B into account because it wasn’t producing much for us to begin with, but its not for lack of trying to find a piece that will work offensively and defensively. Look at the bullpen and the back end of the rotation, how many guys have started for us? Collmenter, Duke, Enright, Gallaraga, Owings and now Miley. Look at all of the bp arms that have been test driven….While not every move has been great (Veteran Presence!), at least they try something, give it a chance and if not, move on to the next option.

I used to be disgusted, now I try to be amused....

by piratedan7 on Aug 17, 2011 3:44 AM EDT up reply actions  

i think it'd be hard to argue

that Drew → Bloomquist downgrade

is worse than Posey → Whiteside downgrade

and like i’ve said previously….injury to Nady somewhat makes our team better haha. on the other hand, the Giants have had Pablo on the DL for an extended period of time, they’ve had Freddy Sanchez injured for like…forever…..they now have Beltran injured….

by blue bulldog on Aug 17, 2011 1:02 PM EDT up reply actions  

+1

"Baseball fans are junkies, and their heroin is the statistic." Robert S. Wieder

by njjohn on Aug 17, 2011 1:04 PM EDT up reply actions  

By the numbers at the plate

Bloomquist → Whiteside is a downgrade this year…

"Never ignore a coincidence. Unless you're busy, in which case always ignore a coincidence."

by kishi on Aug 17, 2011 1:45 PM EDT up reply actions  

You

kinda expect that with backup catchers, though.

Goldschmidt happens.

by DbacksSkins on Aug 17, 2011 3:21 PM EDT up reply actions  

Drew

still wasn’t really performing as desired when he went down, though.

Would be nice to have another decent lefty, however.

Goldschmidt happens.

by DbacksSkins on Aug 17, 2011 3:22 PM EDT up reply actions  

This

the Giants were definitely the team to beat in the NL West preseason.

Through a combination of bad luck (injuries to star players), bad management (the Brandon Belt situation), and regression (Huff and Torres falling back down to Earth) and overperformance from us, they’ve managed to completely lose their advantage.

Their pitching is still unfairly good though :(

by blue bulldog on Aug 17, 2011 2:38 AM EDT up reply actions  

It'll be their turn to whine about pitching unfairness

in pretty darned short order. Enjoy.

"The wise writer, I think, writes for the youth of his own generation, the critic of the next and the schoolmasters of ever afterward." F. Scott Fitzgerald.

by NASCARbernet on Aug 17, 2011 4:54 PM EDT up reply actions  

They

were actually talking briefly about how much Bauer and Skaggs scares them on MCC yesterday I think it was

DROOOOOOOOOOOOO!!! WHHYYYYYYYYY!!!!

by imstillhungry95 on Aug 17, 2011 5:19 PM EDT up reply actions  

i would be really surprised

if by year’s end, Bauer and Skaggs were not both Top 15 prospects in baseball

by blue bulldog on Aug 17, 2011 5:34 PM EDT up reply actions  

When they

give back their 2010 World Series trophy that came about through luck, then they can have my pity for their unluck.

Time to pay the piper. They’d been living off borrowed time since the beginning of 2010.

Goldschmidt happens.

by DbacksSkins on Aug 17, 2011 2:43 AM EDT up reply actions  

NO PITY

FOR THE KITTY CITY

BY THE BAY

?

Tomorrow is another day.

by soco on Aug 17, 2011 2:50 AM EDT up reply actions  

blame their FO

they’ve had ample time to address their woes, they did virtually nothing about their C situation, they’ve had their best position prospect garnering frequent flier miles between AAA and the bigs and are only just now inserting him into the lineup on a daily basis. They could have flipped Baum or ZOMGSanchez for some quality help for the IF or the OF and called up Wheeler but instead they traded him to rent Beltran for a couple of months. Maybe that will all work out for them, but their crisis management has been woeful in comparison to our FO imho.

I used to be disgusted, now I try to be amused....

by piratedan7 on Aug 17, 2011 2:51 AM EDT up reply actions  

Also about Beltran

they traded a top pitching prospect to get a rental player who has been notorious the past couple years for never being healthy. What did they think was going to happen?

Tomorrow is another day.

by soco on Aug 17, 2011 2:53 AM EDT up reply actions  

That's

his point, yes.

Goldschmidt happens.

by DbacksSkins on Aug 17, 2011 10:34 AM EDT up reply actions  

was just validating...

i heard an announcer mention it but never saw anything that said otherwise. is he on the 15 day?

by Gildo on Aug 17, 2011 12:09 PM EDT up reply actions  

Yup.

I don’t believe he’d played over the last 7 or 8 days, though, so he could be back in a week at the soonest.

Goldschmidt happens.

by DbacksSkins on Aug 17, 2011 12:26 PM EDT up reply actions  

Yup.

It was retroactive to August 7th, so he could be back on the 22nd, if he’s better.

Goldschmidt happens.

by DbacksSkins on Aug 17, 2011 12:26 PM EDT up reply actions  

I have no idea WTF they have been doing with Belt

That hasn’t made any sense to me.

And the Wheeler for Beltran thing seemed kind of suspect to me when it happened. However, if getting Beltran had actually helped them….. Shrug. I don’t know. I know I am very glad our team didn’t trade away its top prospects for this kind of deal. I would never have wanted to see Skaggs or Parker get dealt for the likes of Beltran.

by SongBird on Aug 17, 2011 2:57 AM EDT up reply actions  

Giants fans/people

claim they gave up Wheeler for Beltran because ZOMG, when you have a chance to repeat, you have to go all in!!!!!!!!

But, they really didn’t? They just sort of traded away the future and got middling returns, without reliably addressing their biggest holes?

Goldschmidt happens.

by DbacksSkins on Aug 17, 2011 3:13 AM EDT up reply actions  

Brewers

went all in. They’re the example of trading the future for the present, and it’s paying off so far.

Tomorrow is another day.

by soco on Aug 17, 2011 4:45 AM EDT up reply actions  

That was

my thought, yeah. The team that REALLY went all in was the Brewers.

Goldschmidt happens.

by DbacksSkins on Aug 17, 2011 10:30 AM EDT up reply actions  

i disagree with this assessment

the Brewers are dumb

basically, you should go “all-in” (whatever that means in this context) when you have the highest probability of success. the Giants had an over 50% chance at making the playoffs at the time of the Beltran trade. the Brewers traded away all of their future pieces when they had at best a 30% chance preseason.

by blue bulldog on Aug 17, 2011 1:05 PM EDT up reply actions  

I think you're both right.

I think they both went all in. I understand why the Brewers did it with Fielder about to leave town. I understand why the Giants did it with such a high probability of the playoffs.

"Baseball fans are junkies, and their heroin is the statistic." Robert S. Wieder

by njjohn on Aug 17, 2011 1:08 PM EDT up reply actions  

The Giants

really didn’t, though. They simply overpaid.

It’s their fans who claim they went all in.

Goldschmidt happens.

by DbacksSkins on Aug 17, 2011 2:43 PM EDT up reply actions  

Okay.

"Baseball fans are junkies, and their heroin is the statistic." Robert S. Wieder

by njjohn on Aug 17, 2011 3:44 PM EDT up reply actions  

Um

we’re talking about the action of going all-in, not whether it should happen or not. We’re describing an action, not making a value statement.

Tomorrow is another day.

by soco on Aug 17, 2011 1:12 PM EDT up reply actions  

it was more in response to your post

“They’re the example of trading the future for the present, and it’s paying off so far” makes it seem like you were making a value statement that what the Brewers did made rational-choice sense at the time.

Just providing the counter-argument to that.

On the other hand, if you just meant literally, they traded for the future, and it is paying off so far, well…isn’t that exactly what the Giants did? except it hasn’t paid off yet?

by blue bulldog on Aug 17, 2011 1:20 PM EDT up reply actions  

The Giants

made one move, so it’s barely “all-in.”

The Brewers made quite a few moves not only before the season, but also before the trade deadline. That’s all-in.

I also believe it’s paying off so far, but the key part is “so far.” We won’t know how well unless they win it all. But my point wasn’t necessarily to talk about whether I think it’s a good strategy.

Tomorrow is another day.

by soco on Aug 17, 2011 1:28 PM EDT up reply actions  

+1

Describing their actions and explaining their reasoning isn’t the same as justifying it. Having been burned by the lack of post-2007 success, I understand the risks of going all in…

Goldschmidt happens.

by DbacksSkins on Aug 17, 2011 2:45 PM EDT up reply actions  

fair enough

i would like to point out, that rigorously speaking, it’s not that the Giants only made one move, and that the Brewers made a lot of moves. i assume by “all-in” you just mean they gave up a lot of expected future value in order to benefit from present value.

arguably, the Brewers gave up more expected future value than the Giants did (Brewers essentially gave up Alcides Escobar, and Jake Odorizzi….notice I didn’t include Brett Lawrie, because Brett Lawrie doesn’t have a position on that roster so he doesn’t have future value aside from future trade value….on the other hand the Giants “only” gave up Wheeler). but i think there’s a fair argument to be made that the Giants were also simply more limited by the market. winter trade market is a lot more expansive (more supply and more demand) than the summer trade market. that is pretty much an inherent constraint on their ability to go “all-in”.

by blue bulldog on Aug 17, 2011 3:40 PM EDT up reply actions  

I think

at this point you’re just arguing for arguing’s sake.

Tomorrow is another day.

by soco on Aug 18, 2011 9:55 AM EDT up reply actions  

I does

kinda seem like that, BB.

Goldschmidt happens.

by DbacksSkins on Aug 18, 2011 10:54 AM EDT up reply actions  

30% chance preseason?

Based on what?

Brewers figured this was the best shot they’d have in awhile. They’re probably losing Fielder this offseason, so they figured to put all their eggs in this season.

Goldschmidt happens.

by DbacksSkins on Aug 17, 2011 2:42 PM EDT up reply actions  

Exactly

this ain’t poker.

Tomorrow is another day.

by soco on Aug 17, 2011 3:32 PM EDT up reply actions  

30% chance

based on the fact that AFTER the moves, they were only about as equally likely as the Reds and Cardinals to make the playoffs

i don’t think it’s really that much of a debatable point that the Giants had better odds of making the postseason at the trade deadline this year, than the Brewers had at making it preseason

on the other hand, it’s possible to make the argument, that you seem to be suggesting, that the 30% chance is the best chance within the foreseeable future, for the Brewers to make the playoffs. i dunno. it’s debatable.

by blue bulldog on Aug 17, 2011 3:35 PM EDT up reply actions  

I'd

definitely say that this was the best chance they’d have HAD for awhile, but I’m also not so sure they only had a 30% chance after the moves.

Goldschmidt happens.

by DbacksSkins on Aug 17, 2011 3:45 PM EDT up reply actions  

the 30% chance is the best chance within the foreseeable future, for the Brewers to make the playoffs.

this.

"Baseball fans are junkies, and their heroin is the statistic." Robert S. Wieder

by njjohn on Aug 17, 2011 3:46 PM EDT up reply actions  

i also think we're taking a hindsight view of this too much

Beltran isn’t a middling return. he was hitting like Justin Upton before the trade happened. it just hasn’t happened in the small sample size since they made the trade.

their biggest hole is simply just offense. i’m not sure they would be able to trade for Catcher A who is X amount better than Posey, and X amount is greater than or equal to Beltran minus previous right fielder (I guess, Cody Ross?)

by blue bulldog on Aug 17, 2011 1:07 PM EDT up reply actions  

It should be

Beltran knocking Rowand or someone out of the lineup, but it hadn’t been, yet.

The thing is, do you REALLY think a 34 year old Beltran is going to KEEP posting what’s more or less equal to the best season of his career with his age 29 season? Even ignoring the injury concerns. And trading for Beltran doesn’t mean they couldn’t have ALSO traded for a catcher, as most people expected.

Goldschmidt happens.

by DbacksSkins on Aug 17, 2011 2:57 PM EDT up reply actions  

you're setting up a strawman

i don’t need to think that Beltran is going to keep posting up those numbers. i just have to believe that the expected value of what Beltran is going to post up is much greater than the opportunity cost of who he is replacing, whereas whatever catcher they presumably could have traded for would have a lower expected value over the opportunity cost that is Eli Whiteside

by blue bulldog on Aug 17, 2011 3:37 PM EDT up reply actions  

How

is it a straw man? You made the claim that Beltran had been hitting like Upton before the trade. My point was that he wasn’t going to KEEP hitting like that, even WITHOUT injury, but that they still paid like he was going to. It’s like giving up a Dan Haren-type package for Ryan Vogelsong over the offseason.

And that still doesn’t mean they couldn’t have done both.

Goldschmidt happens.

by DbacksSkins on Aug 17, 2011 3:49 PM EDT up reply actions  

my argument was this
their biggest hole is simply just offense. i’m not sure they would be able to trade for Catcher A who is X amount better than Posey, and X amount is greater than or equal to Beltran minus previous right fielder (I guess, Cody Ross?)

it was in response to your argument that they didn’t reliably address their biggest holes. also, i just realized that i mistyped my argument, and meant Whiteside when i wrote Posey.

i probably didn’t make it clear enough in the original argument, but i tried to expound, that all you really have to care about (to the extent that you only care about, and are arguing about, filling holes on the SF roster) is what you think expected value of Beltran minus worst SF outfielder is

as for whether the deal was a good one you would have to consider how much Beltran increases your probability of making it to the playoffs/how much he increases your probability of going deep into the playoffs…..how much added revenue that means to the club….how much pure utility you get from making it to the postseason and winning postseason games. i think i was among the first of the loud voices that said this deal was great for the Dbacks because it was a huge overpay by the Giants.

but all of that doesn’t mean the Giants didn’t attempt to fill their holes to the best of their abilities.

And trading for Beltran doesn’t mean they couldn’t have ALSO traded for a catcher, as most people expected.

i should have answered this previously, but didn’t. actually, trading for Beltran heavily limits their ability to trade for a catcher. who would you propose they go after? and who would they give up to go after him? and don’t say Ramon Hernandez, because the Giants DID go after him, and the Reds ended up just saying they didn’t feel like trading Ramon Hernandez…..to anyone…..

by blue bulldog on Aug 17, 2011 5:33 PM EDT up reply actions  

well there were options

perhaps the Giants made some overtures and maybe they didn’t, yet guys like Soto, Suzuki, Barajas, Navarro, Posada, Quintero, Bard, or Olivo all spring to mind, outside of Hernandez. They could have kept Wheeler and perhaps offered Sanchez or one of their plethora of relievers or both depending upon the player or the team, not to mention what else may have been available in their minor league system as potential trade chits. Some of those guys, are not exactly defensive Juggernauts, but hell, neither is Whiteside and would also offer some offensive replacement value.

I used to be disgusted, now I try to be amused....

by piratedan7 on Aug 17, 2011 6:13 PM EDT up reply actions  

Wheeler

wasn’t really that close to the Majors, and MadBum is young and cost-controlled. Sanchez would’ve made sense — they’ve got a 5th/6th starter in Barry Zito pitching out of the bullpen that they could’ve used in his place. Or, since Sanchez has the longer track record of pitching decency, they could’ve sold high on Vogelsong before he turns back into a pumpkin.

What I REALLY don’t understand is moving Belt to the outfield to play freaking Aubrey Huff at 1B.

Goldschmidt happens.

by DbacksSkins on Aug 17, 2011 3:11 AM EDT up reply actions  

yeah I remember all of those condolences

that the franchise received when The Injury went down for two years in a row….

I used to be disgusted, now I try to be amused....

by piratedan7 on Aug 17, 2011 3:45 AM EDT up reply actions  

I do.

Although nobody realized it was gonna be forever.

Goldschmidt happens.

by DbacksSkins on Aug 17, 2011 10:34 AM EDT up reply actions  

Huge win for us....

it’s great that we can start out most difficult stretch of remaining games, and close the day up 3.5

by blue bulldog on Aug 17, 2011 2:41 AM EDT reply actions  

Really impressed we will not have a losing record vs. the Phillies this year

Hmmm, looking that info up, seems the only teams that can claim that are: DBacks, Braves, Brewers and Cardinals. All playoff contenders. At least 2 of these teams will be making the playoffs. So, maybe the Phillies will be even more vulnerable in the playoffs than I thought.

by SongBird on Aug 17, 2011 2:42 AM EDT reply actions  

It would seem

that the Phillies have somewhat gotten fat off beating shitty teams. Not that they’re a BAD team, but they’re not particularly impressive against other good teams.

Maybe if they played in a tougher division, like the NL West… ;-)

Goldschmidt happens.

by DbacksSkins on Aug 17, 2011 2:49 AM EDT up reply actions   1 recs

LOL

Well, our losing records are against Pittsburgh, the Cubs, Cardinals and the Giants. And we are tied with the Mets and Padres, and, for now, Washington.

So far, have winning records against the Brewers, Phillies and Braves. Though, we shall see how the rest of this week goes, obviously.

by SongBird on Aug 17, 2011 2:53 AM EDT up reply actions  

The Phillies are now 8-11

Against the teams they would currently face in the playoffs, the Braves, Brewers and us.

They’re good, but far from unbeatable.

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Mark: "A non-profit organization."

by Jim McLennan on Aug 17, 2011 12:29 PM EDT up reply actions  

Oh, but by all means,

they’d rather face the Dbacks than the Giants…

Goldschmidt happens.

by DbacksSkins on Aug 17, 2011 12:35 PM EDT up reply actions  

By

the end of this series they might be rethinking that.

Tomorrow is another day.

by soco on Aug 17, 2011 12:38 PM EDT up reply actions  

Which series?

the Aug. 16-18 series, or the NLDS?

DROOOOOOOOOOOOO!!! WHHYYYYYYYYY!!!!

by imstillhungry95 on Aug 17, 2011 1:49 PM EDT up reply actions  

Well

This series implies, you know, this series, so…

"Never ignore a coincidence. Unless you're busy, in which case always ignore a coincidence."

by kishi on Aug 17, 2011 2:56 PM EDT up reply actions  

I don't know

It’s pretty easy to beat a team that can’t score any runs

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by txzona on Aug 17, 2011 1:59 PM EDT up reply actions  

But

if you can’t ever get a runner to second, then It’s going to be pretty hard

DROOOOOOOOOOOOO!!! WHHYYYYYYYYY!!!!

by imstillhungry95 on Aug 17, 2011 2:02 PM EDT up reply actions  

They've won 66 games so far

So, it isn’t as easy as it would appear

by SongBird on Aug 17, 2011 2:05 PM EDT up reply actions  

::facepalm::

You’re all kinda missing the point…

Goldschmidt happens.

by DbacksSkins on Aug 17, 2011 2:58 PM EDT up reply actions  

Liked the Sean Burroughs: Sean Burroughs part...

I liked the D-Backs absolutely trollfacing Halladay and seeing the Giants lose in extra innings as well.

Arizona Cardinals/Phoenix Suns/ Arizona Diamondbacks/Phoenix Coyotes/ Arizona Rattlers/Chicago Bears fan

[I have always lived in Arizona, dad is from Chicago].

by JoeCB1991 on Aug 17, 2011 2:46 AM EDT reply actions  

I guess seeing Collmenter the 2nd time didn't really help Pence

Forgot that he had already faced Collmenter back in May.

You know, Halladay pitched 9 innings, gave up 3 runs and struck out 14. It is a real credit to our pitchers that they kept us in this game.

by SongBird on Aug 17, 2011 2:47 AM EDT reply actions  

Did Upton kinda go at Ruiz after we took the lead?

They must have had words earlier in the game. I’ve seen Ruiz get under opponents skin before…

by Husk on Aug 17, 2011 3:02 AM EDT reply actions  

Ruiz

and Pricktorino…

Goldschmidt happens.

by DbacksSkins on Aug 17, 2011 3:14 AM EDT up reply actions  

Apparently

All I need to crack the top commenters list is to be so ill that I don’t even have the energy to leave my couch.

by SongBird on Aug 17, 2011 3:07 AM EDT reply actions  

Or just have

nothing better to do with your life. It works for me…

DROOOOOOOOOOOOO!!! WHHYYYYYYYYY!!!!

by imstillhungry95 on Aug 17, 2011 11:14 AM EDT up reply actions  

Are you feeling any better today?

It's the stuff that dreams are made of
It's the slow and steady fire

by 4 Corners Fan on Aug 17, 2011 12:38 PM EDT up reply actions  

Still running a fever, though not as high

Called out of my morning job. Hoping to shake this before I am scheduled in at my other job at 3pm.

by SongBird on Aug 17, 2011 2:06 PM EDT up reply actions  

We're going to have 10 games left with a 6 game lead

And Baseball Prospectus will still have the Giants as a 65% favorite to win the division.

Don't blink; blink and you're dead. Don't turn your back, don't look away, and don't blink. Good luck!

by Stile4aly on Aug 17, 2011 3:33 AM EDT reply actions  

But...DUDE!!

It makes perfect sense!! Their PECOTA projections predict a .900 win % for the Giants and only a .200 win % for the Diamondbacks over those last 10 games!

Goldschmidt happens.

by DbacksSkins on Aug 17, 2011 3:37 AM EDT up reply actions  

not to mention

they have better nicknames and everything…..

I used to be disgusted, now I try to be amused....

by piratedan7 on Aug 17, 2011 3:38 AM EDT up reply actions  

Stat of the Night.... the 'Road Warrior Diamondbacks'

There are only 4 teams in MLB that have fewer Losses on the Road than the Diamondbacks (33-27) (2 with same)

They are… the 2 teams featured on ESPN all the time (34-22 and 36-24), Philadelphia (36-22), and one that will surprise you…. Florida (33-26).

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by GuruB on Aug 17, 2011 4:55 AM EDT reply actions  

Florida

has just been awful at home, which I guess isn’t surprising given the stadium and lack of fan support. Hopefully they’ll be able to turn things around next year when their new ballpark opens.

Tomorrow is another day.

by soco on Aug 17, 2011 5:06 AM EDT up reply actions  

Well,

all but one of those teams has also played fewer road games than the Diamondbacks.

Goldschmidt happens.

by DbacksSkins on Aug 17, 2011 12:30 PM EDT up reply actions  

Like Songbird

I’m glad I struggled with illness to stick with this game ;my suffering was worth the ginormous win.

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DO IT FOR DREW

by hotclaws on Aug 17, 2011 4:57 AM EDT reply actions  

I've found...

when I’m not feeling well, a victory has wondrous health benefits.

"The wise writer, I think, writes for the youth of his own generation, the critic of the next and the schoolmasters of ever afterward." F. Scott Fitzgerald.

by NASCARbernet on Aug 17, 2011 10:06 AM EDT up reply actions  

And are YOU feeling better today?

It's the stuff that dreams are made of
It's the slow and steady fire

by 4 Corners Fan on Aug 17, 2011 12:39 PM EDT up reply actions  

I feel like

Upton’s single in the ninth was a pretty solid line drive toward center, far from a bloop. And the pitch was almost down the middle, which the broadcast booth correctly noted that Halladay was pissed at himself for doing.

Still, it’s picking nits for what was one of the best games of the year.

by Azreous on Aug 17, 2011 5:22 AM EDT reply actions  

It's was a cross between a line drive and a bloop

But definitely was hit to center.

"Baseball fans are junkies, and their heroin is the statistic." Robert S. Wieder

by njjohn on Aug 17, 2011 10:12 AM EDT up reply actions  

I couldn't recall the exact details,

which is why I rely on the FanGraphs play-by-play. And for that matter, I think Overbay’s double might’ve been over Pence’s head, not Victorino’s.

Goldschmidt happens.

by DbacksSkins on Aug 17, 2011 10:39 AM EDT up reply actions  

It's not a big deal

And yes, it was over Pence’s head.

"Baseball fans are junkies, and their heroin is the statistic." Robert S. Wieder

by njjohn on Aug 17, 2011 11:14 AM EDT up reply actions  

Wow...

he really did have a bad game.

Goldschmidt happens.

by DbacksSkins on Aug 17, 2011 12:17 PM EDT up reply actions  

It wasn't catchable.

"Baseball fans are junkies, and their heroin is the statistic." Robert S. Wieder

by njjohn on Aug 17, 2011 12:22 PM EDT up reply actions  

No kidding,

but it’s still gotta be a lousy feeling.

You’re 0-3 with 3 Ks, including one with the bases juiced, and then you watch the go-ahead double go over you…

Goldschmidt happens.

by DbacksSkins on Aug 17, 2011 12:31 PM EDT up reply actions  

Actually, I take it back.

He was already 1-4 at that point. I was thinking his hit came in the 9th.

Goldschmidt happens.

by DbacksSkins on Aug 17, 2011 12:32 PM EDT up reply actions  

ahhh...

I see your point. Yes.

"Baseball fans are junkies, and their heroin is the statistic." Robert S. Wieder

by njjohn on Aug 17, 2011 12:41 PM EDT up reply actions  

I suppose

it was a smash hit compared to everything else Halladay had been giving up up to that point.

Still an oppo job off the end of the bat, though, that Upton was late on.

Goldschmidt happens.

by DbacksSkins on Aug 17, 2011 10:38 AM EDT up reply actions  

I remember

Halladay being mad at the umpire for not calling the previous pitch as the 3rd strike.

I got nothin'.

by Bcawz on Aug 17, 2011 11:31 AM EDT up reply actions  

He was

but it wasn’t a strike. Close, but not a strike.

"Baseball fans are junkies, and their heroin is the statistic." Robert S. Wieder

by njjohn on Aug 17, 2011 12:23 PM EDT up reply actions  

Seemed

like plenty wide a zone, though. Even if Putz didn’t get the same benefit in the 9th…

Goldschmidt happens.

by DbacksSkins on Aug 17, 2011 12:32 PM EDT up reply actions  

Halladay seemed to get a little rattled at a few points yesterday

He wasn’t happy when they called that balk.

"Never ignore a coincidence. Unless you're busy, in which case always ignore a coincidence."

by kishi on Aug 17, 2011 1:47 PM EDT up reply actions  

rattled...

frysquintinghiseyes.jpg

Tomorrow is another day.

by soco on Aug 17, 2011 3:33 PM EDT up reply actions  

Also

As much as I love Gibby he continues to do things that baffle me. I understand bunting with CY on pitch one and two in that AB, but having him attempt that bunt with two strikes is inexcusable.

"Baseball fans are junkies, and their heroin is the statistic." Robert S. Wieder

by njjohn on Aug 17, 2011 10:13 AM EDT reply actions  

Were the runners going on the third pitch?

Because the third was high and tight and he still tried to get it down.

My imagination is greater than your nay-say.

by Jargamus Prime on Aug 17, 2011 10:20 AM EDT up reply actions  

Don't think so.

But yeah, the third pitch was up and in and he still went after it. Dunno whether that was his decision or he missed a sign or what.

Goldschmidt happens.

by DbacksSkins on Aug 17, 2011 10:41 AM EDT up reply actions  

That,

and, y’know, starting Sean Burroughs EVER.

I would include starting Overbay here, but…

Goldschmidt happens.

by DbacksSkins on Aug 17, 2011 10:42 AM EDT up reply actions  

Oh, yeah.

And Parra still batting 8th… although that may kinda have a similar effect to Tony La Russa batting his pitchers 8th. You’ve got a decent OBP guy in front of the top of the order.

Buuut, if that’s the case, why not just bat him at the top of the order?? As Nick Piecoro pointed out, he’s also now 9-10 on stolen base attempts this year…

Goldschmidt happens.

by DbacksSkins on Aug 17, 2011 10:44 AM EDT up reply actions  

agreed on both.

"Baseball fans are junkies, and their heroin is the statistic." Robert S. Wieder

by njjohn on Aug 17, 2011 11:15 AM EDT up reply actions  

While I agree

with you on the bunting with two strikes at least Gibby had the foresight to pinch run miggy. Without the Cowgill pinch run who knows what happens that game.

Does Pop-Pop get a treat?

by Juptoncredible on Aug 17, 2011 12:37 PM EDT up reply actions  

Yes

I should have given him the credit for that. Although, why did he wait until after CY’s AB to do that?

"Baseball fans are junkies, and their heroin is the statistic." Robert S. Wieder

by njjohn on Aug 17, 2011 12:42 PM EDT up reply actions  

Cause

Montero should be able to make it to 2nd on a bunt.

I got nothin'.

by Bcawz on Aug 17, 2011 12:42 PM EDT up reply actions  

If it's a good bunt.

But why risk it. If CY slaps it too hard back to Halladay, he could go to 2nd for the out.

"Baseball fans are junkies, and their heroin is the statistic." Robert S. Wieder

by njjohn on Aug 17, 2011 12:44 PM EDT up reply actions  

Why ever bunt?

Ida know, but it worked in the end.

I got nothin'.

by Bcawz on Aug 17, 2011 12:45 PM EDT up reply actions  

You're missing what I'm saying.

If you want to bunt there, which I’m perfectly fine with, then why don’t you put in Cowgill to make sure the baserunner isn’t thrown out on a poor bunt?

"Baseball fans are junkies, and their heroin is the statistic." Robert S. Wieder

by njjohn on Aug 17, 2011 12:55 PM EDT up reply actions  

Okay, I get you.

It just makes sense to me (somehow), to only pinch run for Montero if the bunt attempt fails.

I got nothin'.

by Bcawz on Aug 17, 2011 12:58 PM EDT up reply actions  

I think a lot of managers do this...

…but I’m arguing that it isn’t logical.

"Baseball fans are junkies, and their heroin is the statistic." Robert S. Wieder

by njjohn on Aug 17, 2011 12:59 PM EDT up reply actions  

honestly

i bet he just forgot to have Cowgill pinch run for Montero

and only remembered after CY’s bunt failed

by blue bulldog on Aug 17, 2011 1:12 PM EDT up reply actions  

That's

my thought, too.

He didn’t think of it until then.

Goldschmidt happens.

by DbacksSkins on Aug 17, 2011 3:03 PM EDT up reply actions  

That instills a lot of confidence.

"Baseball fans are junkies, and their heroin is the statistic." Robert S. Wieder

by njjohn on Aug 17, 2011 3:47 PM EDT up reply actions  

If Young

gets the bunt down. Then Upton is on 3rd and Miggy is on 2nd. Then he may not pinch run his catcher.

Does Pop-Pop get a treat?

by Juptoncredible on Aug 17, 2011 12:43 PM EDT up reply actions  

Why wouldn't he?

With Cowgill you can score on a ball hit to the OF even if directly at an OF, if it’s Montero, you need a gapper.

"Baseball fans are junkies, and their heroin is the statistic." Robert S. Wieder

by njjohn on Aug 17, 2011 12:45 PM EDT up reply actions  

Well he still

may have in this parallel universe where Young can get a sac bunt down.

Does Pop-Pop get a treat?

by Juptoncredible on Aug 17, 2011 12:48 PM EDT up reply actions  

I just don't get this

I guess I understand trying it on the first or second pitch. But with 2 strikes?

Grace said this is probably what kept Halladay in the game. LOL. So, a strange decision by Gibby allows Halladay to make an out, which convinces Manuel to leave Halladay in. So, um, it was good that Young struck out trying to bunt? Sure, why not?

by SongBird on Aug 17, 2011 2:16 PM EDT up reply actions  

we out-dumbed

their dumb manager….

i like it

Gibson = craziest smartest reverse psychology person alive

by blue bulldog on Aug 17, 2011 3:42 PM EDT up reply actions  

Because

he only has one backup catcher, and Miggy’s a lefty breaking up two righties?

Goldschmidt happens.

by DbacksSkins on Aug 17, 2011 12:51 PM EDT up reply actions  

That explains why you wouldn't want to pull Miggy for a pinch runner.

But if you decide you want to go with a pinch runner, why not get all the ‘value’ out of that runner you can. If CY lays down a sac and you have Cowgill at second, there are as many opportunities where Cowgill could score from second over Montero are there are opportunities where the bunt isn’t laid down and he could score from first instead of Montero.

"Baseball fans are junkies, and their heroin is the statistic." Robert S. Wieder

by njjohn on Aug 17, 2011 12:57 PM EDT up reply actions  

Absolutely true.

However, if Gibby also has the foresight to not play Sean Burroughs, who proceeded to pop up with Overbay on 3rd and 1 out, we might’ve scored the run anyway: Miggy would’ve still been on 3rd with an out, and if someone else puts it in play, the run likely scores.

Goldschmidt happens.

by DbacksSkins on Aug 17, 2011 12:49 PM EDT up reply actions  

Driving home yesterday

I was trying to figure out why Burroughs was in the lineup and the only reason I could come up with was that Halladay does not walk people and Burroughs refuses to walk. Therefore….something something…still trying to make sense of it.

Does Pop-Pop get a treat?

by Juptoncredible on Aug 17, 2011 12:55 PM EDT up reply actions  

Because KT

and/or KGB are in love with Sean Burroughs, and KGB insists on following platoon splits.

Goldschmidt happens.

by DbacksSkins on Aug 17, 2011 3:04 PM EDT up reply actions  

if Gibby also has the foresight common sense to not play Sean Burroughs

Fixed it for you.

"Baseball fans are junkies, and their heroin is the statistic." Robert S. Wieder

by njjohn on Aug 17, 2011 12:58 PM EDT up reply actions   2 recs

Totally

That decision won the game

by SongBird on Aug 17, 2011 2:13 PM EDT up reply actions  

Yes

As soon as Young squared to bunt the second time I was ready to come on here and rail about it. I guess I trust Gibby mostly, since the results have been so good, but that bunt call angered me as I listened.

The issue I had was not only with Young being one of the worst contact hitters on the team, but more with Overbay (previous at bats not withstanding) and Burroughs coming up. I wouldn’t normally trust either of those guys to get a man home from third against Roy.

by Counsellmember on Aug 17, 2011 1:51 PM EDT up reply actions  

Don't confuse

good results with good process.

Goldschmidt happens.

by DbacksSkins on Aug 17, 2011 3:15 PM EDT up reply actions  

in this case

the results of CY’s bunt were….well…not good lol

by blue bulldog on Aug 17, 2011 3:43 PM EDT up reply actions  

Bad for my Fantasy team.

I’ve got Marmol.

I’d much prefer they do it against Jenny’s fantasy team. (Wilson)

Goldschmidt happens.

by DbacksSkins on Aug 17, 2011 11:39 AM EDT up reply actions  

Think of it this way

Earlier in the week, it was Wilson. Now it’s your turn!

DROOOOOOOOOOOOO!!! WHHYYYYYYYYY!!!!

by imstillhungry95 on Aug 17, 2011 11:48 AM EDT up reply actions  

But

my turn doesn’t help the Diamondbacks at all?

And the Cubs play the Giants soon…

Goldschmidt happens.

by DbacksSkins on Aug 17, 2011 12:17 PM EDT up reply actions  

Well

I was putting it purely from a fantasy baseball standpoint, but if you put it like that…

DROOOOOOOOOOOOO!!! WHHYYYYYYYYY!!!!

by imstillhungry95 on Aug 17, 2011 1:53 PM EDT up reply actions  

I guess

I’m perfectly willing to have my fantasy team lose any chance at ERA, WHIP, or saves this week, if it means Marmol dominates the Giants later?

Goldschmidt happens.

by DbacksSkins on Aug 17, 2011 3:16 PM EDT up reply actions  

That was great!

Ah, I remember watching a AAA team play as the DBacks back in 2004. How fun something like this would have been.

by SongBird on Aug 17, 2011 2:19 PM EDT up reply actions  

In case

anyone was curious, BP says the average games lost due to Beltran’s injury is 25.

Goldschmidt happens.

by DbacksSkins on Aug 17, 2011 11:39 AM EDT reply actions  

I'm sorry

for Beltran, as that’ll hurt his contract leverage next season, but I’m not particularly sorry for the Giants.

Yes, I’m a bad person.

Tomorrow is another day.

by soco on Aug 17, 2011 12:03 PM EDT up reply actions  

I just assumed

the Gnats would resign him for 5 years, $80 million … or something like that.

I got nothin'.

by Bcawz on Aug 17, 2011 12:15 PM EDT up reply actions  

gonna happen right after

they trade Brandon Belt to Texas for the rights to Brandon Webb

I used to be disgusted, now I try to be amused....

by piratedan7 on Aug 17, 2011 12:19 PM EDT up reply actions   1 recs

Oh man

I want that too much.

Tomorrow is another day.

by soco on Aug 17, 2011 12:39 PM EDT up reply actions  

It would

make me sad. :(

Even if he never pitched for them. (Which he probably wouldn’t)

Goldschmidt happens.

by DbacksSkins on Aug 17, 2011 12:40 PM EDT up reply actions  

Yeah, I was thinking

it would not be fun to see The Injury in a Gnats uni.

I got nothin'.

by Bcawz on Aug 17, 2011 12:41 PM EDT up reply actions  

Bad enough

seeing RJ ACTUALLY pitch.

Goldschmidt happens.

by DbacksSkins on Aug 17, 2011 12:52 PM EDT up reply actions  

Oh yeah

What a sellout.

I got nothin'.

by Bcawz on Aug 17, 2011 12:53 PM EDT up reply actions  

Oh, c'mon.

Don’t you think they could top Barry Zito’s 7 years, $126 million?

Goldschmidt happens.

by DbacksSkins on Aug 17, 2011 12:23 PM EDT up reply actions  

Not for a position player.

Another pitcher maybe.

I got nothin'.

by Bcawz on Aug 17, 2011 12:32 PM EDT up reply actions  

Won't

Rich Harden be a free agent? Sabeanomics!!

Goldschmidt happens.

by DbacksSkins on Aug 17, 2011 12:35 PM EDT up reply actions  

I think you are on to something.

See, its easy being a GM.

I got nothin'.

by Bcawz on Aug 17, 2011 12:36 PM EDT up reply actions  

lol

If I was a GM, Harden is exactly the kind of guy who’d be my achilles heel.

"Baseball fans are junkies, and their heroin is the statistic." Robert S. Wieder

by njjohn on Aug 17, 2011 12:43 PM EDT up reply actions  

Sooo tempting...

I would’ve signed Rich Harden, Mark Prior, Brandon Webb, and Scott Kazmir this offseason, and hoped for an OMG AWESOME ROTATION IF NOBODY’S INJURED!!!!!

Goldschmidt happens.

by DbacksSkins on Aug 17, 2011 12:53 PM EDT up reply actions  

Don't forget

My second main mancrush: Erik Bedard.

"Baseball fans are junkies, and their heroin is the statistic." Robert S. Wieder

by njjohn on Aug 17, 2011 1:00 PM EDT up reply actions  

It's also the reason

I was so wrong on the IPK-Schlereth/Scherzer trade. I am such a sucker for upside and devalue health and consistency. I’m trying to learn it, but you watch someone who flashes that kind of potential and it’s hard not to fall in love.

"Baseball fans are junkies, and their heroin is the statistic." Robert S. Wieder

by njjohn on Aug 17, 2011 1:02 PM EDT up reply actions  

Scherzer's injury concerns

haven’t really manifested themselves, though…

Goldschmidt happens.

by DbacksSkins on Aug 17, 2011 3:17 PM EDT up reply actions  

yes

Not yet. But his inconsistency has.

"Baseball fans are junkies, and their heroin is the statistic." Robert S. Wieder

by njjohn on Aug 17, 2011 3:49 PM EDT up reply actions  

Also,

I think the Giants agree with you. After all, they traded for Beltran…

Goldschmidt happens.

by DbacksSkins on Aug 17, 2011 3:18 PM EDT up reply actions  

LOLSabean

Can’t wait until they lock up him and Bochy for a long time and they ruin that team (even more).

Goldy Watch: 12 games, .268/.318/.463

by Jdub220 on Aug 17, 2011 12:38 PM EDT up reply actions  

...that having been said,

they DID win a WS in spite of themselves.

Goldschmidt happens.

by DbacksSkins on Aug 17, 2011 12:40 PM EDT up reply actions  

Well

that’s why I assumed they’d be locked up. Once their payroll goes way up in the next few years, there will be some lulz had. They’ll either have to trade away an expensive core player or two, or they have a huge payroll and can’t fill the holes on that team.

Goldy Watch: 12 games, .268/.318/.463

by Jdub220 on Aug 17, 2011 5:41 PM EDT up reply actions  

Be careful

what you wish for. We wouldn’t want it to be that easy to run away from the Gnats would we ;)

DROOOOOOOOOOOOO!!! WHHYYYYYYYYY!!!!

by imstillhungry95 on Aug 17, 2011 1:54 PM EDT up reply actions  

I think a few commenters last night were awful hard on Collmenter.

I don’t remember who they were, but as soon as he had a rough inning their opinion of him took a 180. He got out of the jam when he loaded the bases with an epic dual against Pence, getting an 11 pitch strikeout. Besides one errant throw that cost him, he did post an 8:1 strikeout/walk ratio with only 2 earned runs. If IPK or Huddy put up a very similar performance, I don’t think we would’ve seen ANY negative comments… I still don’t ever really know what to expect from Collmenter, but he definitely threw really well last night and kept the dbacks close with his time on the mound.

by Gildo on Aug 17, 2011 12:30 PM EDT reply actions  

Collmenter

doesn’t have the track record of those guys, though.

Also, I have a feeling that Collmenter’s 8 Ks were partly helped out by the same umpire that gave Roy Halladay 14 Ks.

That having been said, I DID mention that it was one of the best starts of his career.

Goldschmidt happens.

by DbacksSkins on Aug 17, 2011 12:38 PM EDT up reply actions  

next year

I will be fine with Collmenter in the 5 spot

by Majabe on Aug 17, 2011 1:47 PM EDT up reply actions  

I doubt he wins it

But as a long reliever he’d be killer. Have him take Duke’s spot on the team.

"Baseball fans are junkies, and their heroin is the statistic." Robert S. Wieder

by njjohn on Aug 17, 2011 2:26 PM EDT up reply actions  

he'd be a killer at any bp role

long man doesn’t have the effect that the other roles do, though.

i want to see him as the 8th or 9th inning man, if he’s not in the starting rotation.

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by marionette on Aug 17, 2011 5:53 PM EDT up reply actions  

Perhaps

But I think his strength is in long relief. He has the stamina to do so. He also doesn’t quite have the stuff you’d want out of an 8th/9th inning guy. But maybe he does.

"Baseball fans are junkies, and their heroin is the statistic." Robert S. Wieder

by njjohn on Aug 17, 2011 6:09 PM EDT up reply actions  

yeah...

he doesn’t have the prototypical 8th/9th inning stuff

but i mean…can’t really argue with the 1st time through the order results can you?

by blue bulldog on Aug 17, 2011 6:41 PM EDT up reply actions  

no you can't!

"Baseball fans are junkies, and their heroin is the statistic." Robert S. Wieder

by njjohn on Aug 17, 2011 9:05 PM EDT up reply actions  

That's

how some people roll.

Tomorrow is another day.

by soco on Aug 17, 2011 12:40 PM EDT up reply actions  

I hope my boy Saunders has a great game today to beat these Philthies!

GO DBACKS and GO JOE!!!

Great game last night…I love spectacular finishes like that!

"I didn't mean to hit the umpire with the dirt, but I did mean to hit that bastard in the stands." -Babe Ruth

by Rockkstarr12 on Aug 17, 2011 12:35 PM EDT reply actions  

A laugher

Like if Burroughs actually contributes in a positive way?

by Backin'the'Backs on Aug 17, 2011 12:57 PM EDT up reply actions  

Not sure

I am ready to rely on Burroughs for anything.

I got nothin'.

by Bcawz on Aug 17, 2011 1:03 PM EDT up reply actions  

You can rely him on

having a name that sounds like a word that is a synonym for ’Townships."

"Baseball fans are junkies, and their heroin is the statistic." Robert S. Wieder

by njjohn on Aug 17, 2011 1:06 PM EDT up reply actions  

Anything is possible...

Anybody, Anytime, remember? :)

"I didn't mean to hit the umpire with the dirt, but I did mean to hit that bastard in the stands." -Babe Ruth

by Rockkstarr12 on Aug 17, 2011 1:06 PM EDT up reply actions  

This makes

me laugh just thinking about it

DROOOOOOOOOOOOO!!! WHHYYYYYYYYY!!!!

by imstillhungry95 on Aug 17, 2011 1:55 PM EDT up reply actions  

A laugher game?

Like the Phillies making error after error and Joe Saunders shines at the end?

"I didn't mean to hit the umpire with the dirt, but I did mean to hit that bastard in the stands." -Babe Ruth

by Rockkstarr12 on Aug 17, 2011 12:56 PM EDT reply actions  

Did anyone already mention that the broadcast caught Gibby giving the signs to Williams to have Young bunt… while he was actually saying it…. Kinda defeats the purpose of the signs…

My imagination is greater than your nay-say.

by Jargamus Prime on Aug 17, 2011 1:05 PM EDT reply actions  

I think he meant he saw Gibson giving CY signs and he inferred that they were to bunt.

"Baseball fans are junkies, and their heroin is the statistic." Robert S. Wieder

by njjohn on Aug 17, 2011 1:07 PM EDT up reply actions  

no

the Phillies announcers noted that Gibby mouthed to Williams “Bunt!”

lol

apparently Matt Williams was looking confused at Gibby like….why the hell are we bunting with two strikes?

by blue bulldog on Aug 17, 2011 1:14 PM EDT up reply actions  

lol

That’s too funny.

"Baseball fans are junkies, and their heroin is the statistic." Robert S. Wieder

by njjohn on Aug 17, 2011 2:26 PM EDT up reply actions  

and

Good for Williams for having common sense.

"Baseball fans are junkies, and their heroin is the statistic." Robert S. Wieder

by njjohn on Aug 17, 2011 2:27 PM EDT up reply actions  

Yes!

This is what I was remembering when I posted about it above. Seems pretty clear that the bunt was definitely on. Not that CY missed a sign.

by SongBird on Aug 17, 2011 2:23 PM EDT up reply actions  

what's interesting is

His decision to sit Kelly against a righty. He is either lost complete confidence in him or is driving home a message to start producing or risk being an everyday player

by Majabe on Aug 17, 2011 1:20 PM EDT reply actions  

Or

He knows what we do: Kelly’s splits are weird

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by Clefo on Aug 17, 2011 1:35 PM EDT up reply actions  

No

Gibby doing something that almost makes sense to us? Never!

DROOOOOOOOOOOOO!!! WHHYYYYYYYYY!!!!

by imstillhungry95 on Aug 17, 2011 1:57 PM EDT up reply actions  

Possibly,

but if that were the case, you’d also think he’d know what we do about Burroughs.

Goldschmidt happens.

by DbacksSkins on Aug 17, 2011 3:19 PM EDT up reply actions  

I think the problem is

we don’t know something about Burroughs that Gibby does…

by blue bulldog on Aug 17, 2011 3:45 PM EDT up reply actions  

Or, the difference between the two.

We don’t know something about Burroughs that Gibby THINKS he does.

Goldschmidt happens.

by DbacksSkins on Aug 17, 2011 3:52 PM EDT up reply actions  

I'm not sure if this was

mentioned anywhere, but it’s an interesting tidbit. This was Halladay’s 13 complete loss in his last five seasons. C. C. Sabathia is in second with 5 CG losses over the same period

DROOOOOOOOOOOOO!!! WHHYYYYYYYYY!!!!

by imstillhungry95 on Aug 17, 2011 2:05 PM EDT reply actions  

Halladay's

a rock.

Goldschmidt happens.

by DbacksSkins on Aug 17, 2011 3:20 PM EDT up reply actions  

yes

But is he an island?

"Baseball fans are junkies, and their heroin is the statistic." Robert S. Wieder

by njjohn on Aug 17, 2011 3:50 PM EDT up reply actions  

Fun with playoff odds

In all seriousness, CoolStandings now has our division win odds at 73.6%, with the Giants at 25.7%.

Baseball Prospectus, after yesterday, still has the freaking Giants at 62.8% for the division, with us at 37.1%. In fact, the Dbacks-Phillies game, coupled with the Giants-Braves game, knocked their Phillies’ overall playoff odds from 100.0% down to 99.9%. Wowzers!

But what’s really weird is that, although our overall odds increased to BP because of our record, our expected win % moving forward in their eyes still went down, from .478 to .470. Not really sure how this makes any sense, unless they expected us to win yesterday’s game — or else, they’re penalizing our expected offense for only scoring 3 runs (Against Roy Halladay!!) despite giving up 2. So, our pythag and record have gone up, but our average win margin has gone down. (At the same time, they’re still predicting outscored San Francisco to play .555 ball)

Before yday, our .478 expected win % over 41 games would translate to going 19.6-21.4. Now, going .470 over 40 games would be going 18.8-21.2.

Sooo, I guess they figure going 1-0 used up one of our 20 wins left. Crap. ;-)

Goldschmidt happens.

by DbacksSkins on Aug 17, 2011 4:09 PM EDT reply actions  

Are these the same people who said the odds of a Space Shuttle calamity

was one in fifty thousand? Those were the odds prior to the first disaster.

"The wise writer, I think, writes for the youth of his own generation, the critic of the next and the schoolmasters of ever afterward." F. Scott Fitzgerald.

by NASCARbernet on Aug 17, 2011 4:58 PM EDT up reply actions  

I can guarantee

with out a doubt that there will be no more Space Shuttle disasters. Just sayin’

DROOOOOOOOOOOOO!!! WHHYYYYYYYYY!!!!

by imstillhungry95 on Aug 17, 2011 5:22 PM EDT up reply actions  

Although

it could be argued that this, in and of itself, is a disaster.

I got nothin'.

by Bcawz on Aug 17, 2011 5:35 PM EDT up reply actions  

Agreed.

It's the stuff that dreams are made of
It's the slow and steady fire

by 4 Corners Fan on Aug 17, 2011 6:13 PM EDT up reply actions  

Too true

But that’s a political disaster, not a Shuttle disaster

DROOOOOOOOOOOOO!!! WHHYYYYYYYYY!!!!

by imstillhungry95 on Aug 17, 2011 6:27 PM EDT up reply actions  

TBH,

the shuttle doesn’t really do much hard science that can’t be done better robotically. It’s mostly a massive PR thing.

Granted, I’m just as sorry as you that it’s gone… :(

Goldschmidt happens.

by DbacksSkins on Aug 17, 2011 7:41 PM EDT up reply actions  

And

I never DID get a chance to watch a launch. :(

Goldschmidt happens.

by DbacksSkins on Aug 18, 2011 10:57 AM EDT up reply actions  

if their projection system

is heavily determined by a discrete number of previous games….then it could have been affected by whatever game just dropped off on the other end of the projection (in order to make room for the previous game against Halladay)

so maybe the game that was dropped off, we won like 8-0 or something

by blue bulldog on Aug 17, 2011 5:36 PM EDT up reply actions  

Rob Neyer

posted a piece today agreeing that their odds are all funky.

Goldschmidt happens.

by DbacksSkins on Aug 17, 2011 7:42 PM EDT up reply actions  

The Flash: Colin Cowgill

♫ i've entered a snake of pits with knives in the back of me ♫ can't call you or on you no more when they're attacking me ♫

by marionette on Aug 17, 2011 6:08 PM EDT reply actions  

Unfortunately,

FG doesn’t give him any credit for non-PAs.

Goldschmidt happens.

by DbacksSkins on Aug 17, 2011 7:19 PM EDT up reply actions  

??

isn’t this what BSR is for?

by blue bulldog on Aug 18, 2011 1:37 AM EDT up reply actions  

I dunno

whether he gets BSR runs for that, although I’d assume he does, yes.

But we’re not talking about RAR. We’re talking about WPA. Overbay gets credit for everything that happens during his PA.

Goldschmidt happens.

by DbacksSkins on Aug 18, 2011 10:56 AM EDT up reply actions  

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