Diamondbacks Trade for Reliever Brad Ziegler, Send Norberto, Allen to Oakland
by snakecharmer on Jul 31, 2011 1:26 PM EDT
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In a move to shore up the bullpen, the Diamondbacks have acquired Brad Ziegler from the Oakland Athletics for Jordan Norberto and big league first baseman Brandon Allen.
Ziegler is a side arm right handed pitcher who first came to the big leagues in 2008. He shattered the record for most scoreless innings by a reliever to start a career, pitching 39 innings in two and a half months. (The previous AL record was 22 innings held by Dave Ferriss in 1945; the previous ML record was 25 innings by George McQuillan in 1907.) That year he ended with a 1.06 ERA in 47 games with 11 saves. In 2011, he is 3-2 with a 2.39 ERA and one save. He has 29 strikeouts, 13 walks and no home runs in 43 games.
Jordan Norberto appeared in 33 Diamondbacks games in 2010 and posted a 5.85 ERA with 22 walks. This season in Reno, he has a 4.25 ERA in 41 games with 22 walks.
Brandon Allen is the latest victim of a roving door at first base ever since Mark Grace left. He put up fairly solid minor league numbers (hitting .306 this season in Reno with 18 home runs) but struggled in the big leagues. Many say he was not given a fair chance to take over 1B on a permanent basis. He was acquired by the Diamondbacks when Tony Pena was sent to the Chicago White Sox and called up in August of 2009 (hit .202) and September of 2010 (hit .267). This season he's had three towering home runs but is hitting .172 in only 11 games.
This is a solid move by Kevin Towers to shore up the Diamondbacks bullpen heading into the home stretch. Not only that, but Ziegler is only owed $405K the rest of this season and is said to be under team control through 2014. He has one more year of arbitration eligibility.
Brad Ziegler is also on Twitter and is very good about interacting with his fans, participating in a Tweetup just last week. He's also very active with children's charities and the military in his community.
This begs the question of who is going to be our everyday first baseman. Paul Goldschmidt has put up monster numbers in AA, but is it worth bringing him up this soon? Do we recall Juan Miranda? We may not even be done with trades, perhaps there's still a first baseman coming...
[Jim] This move will require quite some re-arrangement of the roster and roles. Firstly, the bullpen. With Putz as closer, and Hernandez performing extremely well as an eighth-inning guy, it seems that Ziegler will likely join Joe Paterson in the seventh-inning, though will be able to spell Hernandez too [that sound you hear is Dan S dancing a jig for joy]. With Micah Owings likely also moving to the bullpen as a result of the arrival of Jason Marquis, this seems to give Arizona a bullpen of: Putz, Hernandez, Ziegler, Paterson, Owings, Sam Demel and Zach Duke, with Ryan Cook and Bryan Shaw going back to Reno.
Ziegler has a career OPS against of .687, which is very good, and with a BABIP of .307, that is certainly not luck-driven. He has heavy ground-ball tendencies, with a career GB/FB rate of 1.64, more than twice MLB average of 0.80. That shows up in a home-run rate of about one every 29 innings, so that should play well in Chase. He has been particularly hard on right-handers, who have a line of .224/.276/.274, with only two long-balls allowed over 536 at-bats and a 119:36 K:BB ratio. Might do well to keep him away from lefties, however, as they hit Ziegler at a .325 clip with an OPS over .900, and fewer strikeouts than walks (35:55).
Nick Piecoro just tweeted that he "Just heard from someone in Mobile who tells me Goldschmidt is getting promoted." If so, that would resolve the 1B issue instantly: Goldschmidt should be starting every-day, over and above Xavier Nady. Of course, it's a roll of the dice by the Diamondbacks, but the first-base position has continued to be a black-hole of offense all year, with neither Nady, Allen nor Juan Miranda producing. All told, Arizona's 1B have a collective line of .239/.316/.404. That's a .720 OPS, well below league-average for the position (.788), even with Chase factoring in. Goldschmidt won't really have to be very good, to be an improvement on that.
We are still waiting confirmation that the promotion mentioned by Piecoro is to the majors. It is possible that Juan Miranda is returned to the big club, with Goldie moving up to Reno. That might make some sense: he has nothing left to prove in Double-A, and I'd be amused to see what kind of insane, video-game numbers he could post in Reno, where even Sean Burroughs could post an OPS over a thousand. On the other hand, it would be perfect if he could give us a Beltran equivalent, without having to trade away a top pitching prospect [though with Beltran currently 1-for-16 since coming to SF...]
Jack Magruder just said that Kirk Gibson told them they have not yet decided whether or not to call up Paul Goldschmidt. Hmm, the intrigue grows...
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Send Demel down call up Goldschmidt
I think Cook has more potential
I don’t mind too much if that’s the case, but really, do we need a longer look at Juan?
"Baseball fans are junkies, and their heroin is the statistic." Robert S. Wieder
No Miranda
What has he done to deserve a call-up?
I survived the 2004 & 2010 seasons.
Goldschmidt is AWESOME
i don't think
it’s necessarily what’s he’s done to deserve it, i just think they want someone who can play 1B ‘till September.
I don’t know, we’ll see.
I could see Goldy getting the call now.
Isn’t Miranda off the 40 man?
Yeah I know.
All I meant by that is that it may show that Miranda isn’t getting another shot this season.
Apparently
The rule appears to be first in, first out…
Daron "...the D. Baxter fan-club"
Mark: "A non-profit organization."
by Jim McLennan on Jul 31, 2011 1:45 PM EDT up reply actions
Zito being Zito.
Jim McLennan is right!
by Coach Cleats on Jul 31, 2011 1:36 PM EDT up reply actions
Nady will get the start today
We’re up against Cain, Lincecum, and Vogelsong is SF. Schmidt of Gold will be tested.
I Love This
Finally clearing room for Goldie. He can at least do what our other 1B have done while learning the ropes. And Ziegler is perfect for those tough righties that have been killing us.
by sonic barracuda on Jul 31, 2011 1:35 PM EDT reply actions
Great trade for D-Backs.
Ziggy has been awesome this year with the A’s. My take is that he is going to dominate the next two months and into the playoffs because NL batters are not familiar with his funky delivery.
Jim McLennan is right!
He can be a setup type guy or a situational guy
Depends on who’s due up for the other side.
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A's fan here
Looks like things are being finalized with all the details but if this holds true (considering the on, then off Harden-to-Boston deal last night), you’re getting a solid pitcher and a great person as well. I know some people don’t really care about the person so long as the player performs, but he really is a class act.
I’ve known Ziegler since he was pitching for the A’s in Sacramento back in early 2008 and he’s as good a person as you could ask for. Before being brought up for the first time, he even used to keep a blog on Athletics Nation in which he communicated with people about his path through the minors and answered a lot of questions, so his story is pretty well-known.
Of course he’s also known for the (admittedly obscure) scoreless innings streak to start his career, but you’re getting someone who’s extremely good against right-handers, someone who keeps the ball down for a lot of grounders, and doesn’t give up a lot of homers. If Gibson is careful not to send him out there against too many lefties (good ways of using him include an inning against two or three righties with a lefty mixed in), he should be just fine for you. He’ll lose his location occasionally but for the most part he’s very consistent.
I’ll continue to keep an eye on Ziggy’s career and I hope he helps you guys pass the Giants. I’m sure he’ll be happy going to a team in contention, but I’ll still miss him pitching for the A’s.
Brandon Allen sounds like a decent piece for the A’s to get in exchange, so hopefully he’s able to contribute along with whatever they can get from Norberto.
Oh yeah – and high socks!
(Speaking of that Tweetup, I went to it: http://www.athleticsnation.com/2011/7/27/2296936/a-few-pics-from-the-game-and-tweetup)
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by Flashfire on Jul 31, 2011 1:37 PM EDT reply actions 1 recs
What he said.
This is a great addition for the D-Backs.
Jim McLennan is right!
by Coach Cleats on Jul 31, 2011 1:39 PM EDT up reply actions
I'm looking forward to seeing what Brad can do for our team.
He seems like a really cool guy too. I’ve seen a lot of interviews with him and read his blog on Athletics Nation. And hey, this chick digs the high socks ;)
"I didn't mean to hit the umpire with the dirt, but I did mean to hit that bastard in the stands." -Babe Ruth
by Rockkstarr12 on Jul 31, 2011 1:40 PM EDT up reply actions
It'll be weird seeing the red sleeves and socks, plus black shoes
That’s the right combo, isn’t it?
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I believe so
"I didn't mean to hit the umpire with the dirt, but I did mean to hit that bastard in the stands." -Babe Ruth
by Rockkstarr12 on Jul 31, 2011 1:52 PM EDT up reply actions
Thanks for the insight!
You guys also get a guy who has been inconsistant, but will occasionally do this
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A few of those wouldn't hurt for us
I know about Reno being a big hitter’s park (and have been there a few times) but his Triple-A numbers on the road were still quite respectable as well.
Looks like he’s got the kind of power where it won’t matter what ballpark he’s hitting in.
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Thanks for your perspective.
We do care about the person as well as the player, so it’s good to know that he’s a class guy.
It's the stuff that dreams are made of
It's the slow and steady fire
by 4 Corners Fan on Jul 31, 2011 3:10 PM EDT up reply actions
He's on twitter! He's nice, like Barry!
And yes, I remember reading his blogs from Sac and wishing we could do the same here….
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by snakecharmer on Jul 31, 2011 3:11 PM EDT up reply actions
Possibly not.
We pretty much gave up nothing in this trade, all things considered.
Hall said
they were still looking in the IF positions
I survived the 2004 & 2010 seasons.
Goldschmidt is AWESOME
I'd LOVE to have Barmes here
"I didn't mean to hit the umpire with the dirt, but I did mean to hit that bastard in the stands." -Babe Ruth
by Rockkstarr12 on Jul 31, 2011 1:53 PM EDT up reply actions
Jack Wilson also wouldn't hurt.
Just need someone with more range that we can bring in late in the games.
Having to watch Miranda every other day
could be the worst thing to come out of this trade. Great job KT. I’m surprised the A’s did this. I was expecting the Dbacks to get Balfour.
I don't wanna see Miranda back!
he seems like a good guy and all but he’s bad, Towers gave him a shot and he didn’t produce, the only good game i remember from him is his 2 HR’s in Houston.
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Spectacular! Spectacular! No words in the vernacular…
by Plumawesome on Jul 31, 2011 1:49 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
Ziegler is a little overrated because of his rookie season.
Fact is, like almost all Right Handed submariners, Left Hand Batters ROCK his ass in his career to the tune of .325 BA and .909 OPS, and it’s been worse the last two years. Also , check out the walks to strikeouts vs. lefties !
Remember Gibby: DON’T LET ZIEGLER FACE LEFTIES IN ANY KEY SITUATION
D Backs under Towers never liked Allen. KT and his scouts think he has a hole in his swing. They are probably right. But even with that hole, he brings value as a TTO (Three True Outcomes…BB/K/HR) hitter. But better pitching, especially left hand pitching, will probably always abuse him badly. We’ll see. He’ll get to play every day in Oakland.
The worst major leaguer is better at baseball than I'll ever be at anything I ever do in my life.
oops...missing link
The worst major leaguer is better at baseball than I'll ever be at anything I ever do in my life.
Someone had
to fill in Gutierrez’s spot as ROOGY.
"We're concentrating on fallin' apart
We were contenders, now throwin' the fight
I just wanna believe, I just wanna believe in us."
-Brand New, probably singing about the Diamondbacks
GOLDY GOLDY GOLDY!
It has to be Goldshmidt.. this is just a tease from the FO to all the fans if they don’t bring him up. First it was the failed Branyan experiment then Nady keeps sticking around.. Miranda is a AAAA player, we FREED Brandon Allen he wasmt spectacular.. Its only fair to give Goldy a shot.
Believe it or not.. I PISS SEDONA RED!
But why would we want to rush him?
"I didn't mean to hit the umpire with the dirt, but I did mean to hit that bastard in the stands." -Babe Ruth
by Rockkstarr12 on Jul 31, 2011 1:59 PM EDT up reply actions
Sure it is
Didn’t he start the season in A ball? Have you ever watched the movie “Major League: back To The Minors”? They rushed a hot prospect up to the bigs in that movie and the result? He sucked. Not saying that happens to every player but it seems it happens a lot when a guy is brought up so fast
"I didn't mean to hit the umpire with the dirt, but I did mean to hit that bastard in the stands." -Babe Ruth
by Rockkstarr12 on Jul 31, 2011 2:01 PM EDT up reply actions
Okay, I wasn't sure which it was
I knew he was in AA but didn’t know if that was where he started
"I didn't mean to hit the umpire with the dirt, but I did mean to hit that bastard in the stands." -Babe Ruth
by Rockkstarr12 on Jul 31, 2011 2:04 PM EDT up reply actions
I'm not sure
I would rely on ‘Major League: Back to the Minors’ as being especially predictive with regard to Paul Goldschmidt’s future…
Mark Reynolds says “Hi”…
Daron "...the D. Baxter fan-club"
Mark: "A non-profit organization."
by Jim McLennan on Jul 31, 2011 2:04 PM EDT up reply actions
Well no
Just sayin’ I as much as anyone want Goldy up here. I just hope that it doesn’t come back to bite the organization in the butt. I would, however, like to see how he’ll do here
"I didn't mean to hit the umpire with the dirt, but I did mean to hit that bastard in the stands." -Babe Ruth
by Rockkstarr12 on Jul 31, 2011 2:08 PM EDT up reply actions
Two words for a perfect example for what you mean Jim…. Anthony Rizzo, SD
Professional Lurker... if you see this, there may be a problem..
Well
Now Anthony Rizzo, Tucson
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It wasn't a documentary?
It's the stuff that dreams are made of
It's the slow and steady fire
by 4 Corners Fan on Jul 31, 2011 3:12 PM EDT up reply actions
Well
I do remember the part when Scott Bakula went to the future and became the least well known starship captain
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CAN I GET SOME BROKEN CONTINUITY UP IN THIS BITCH!
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by Clefo on Jul 31, 2011 3:14 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
He's 23 years old
Smashing the ball in AA in a friendly-pitcher league, doesn’t need to go to AAA, the real test was AA and he did more than fine. He “could’ve been” here at the start of the second half as KT said. His time is now.
I survived the 2004 & 2010 seasons.
Goldschmidt is AWESOME
I hope Paul does well
"I didn't mean to hit the umpire with the dirt, but I did mean to hit that bastard in the stands." -Babe Ruth
by Rockkstarr12 on Jul 31, 2011 2:14 PM EDT up reply actions
Sounds nice
an entire league staffed with friendly pitchers. Maybe Goldy just doesn’t want to leave. :)
by Counsellmember on Jul 31, 2011 3:18 PM EDT up reply actions
Too many walks
He’s getting bored. :)
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by snakecharmer on Jul 31, 2011 3:18 PM EDT up reply actions
If he fails...which he wont..
We can always send him back down.. you can’t tell me its worth a shot? Or he owe it to him to give him a chance..
Believe it or not.. I PISS SEDONA RED!
by DeDxDbacKxJroK on Jul 31, 2011 2:25 PM EDT up reply actions
Nick Piecoro says he just talked to someone in Mobile
Who said that Goldschmidt is getting promoted.
"Never ignore a coincidence. Unless you're busy, in which case always ignore a coincidence."
Things are looking up
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Updated story
With Piecoro’s tweet. I’m assuming for the moment that it’s to the majors.
Daron "...the D. Baxter fan-club"
Mark: "A non-profit organization."
yea it has to be
Calling him up to Reno would be pointless
"When I get sad, I stop getting sad and be AWESOME instead. TRUE STORY."
I can't wait to see Ziegler vs Kemp!
"When I get sad, I stop getting sad and be AWESOME instead. TRUE STORY."
Brad Ziegler hasn't been told anything yet
says the A’s beat writer. Probably waiting on physicals results, like the Harden-to-Boston deal last night.
I stopped reading. Now I just write sarcastic, angry comments.. -- soco
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I noticed that and was surprised
When he struggled in ’09 i thought he was put on the DL?
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by snakecharmer on Jul 31, 2011 2:10 PM EDT up reply actions
Might've been shut down
a few days here & there with rest? 4-5 days off?
I stopped reading. Now I just write sarcastic, angry comments.. -- soco
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by snakecharmer on Jul 31, 2011 2:12 PM EDT up reply actions
It might've been last year you're thinking of
His workload looked pretty consistent in 2009 but in July/Aug last year he was only used a combined 13.1 innings in 15 appearances.
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According to what I read earlier
Ziegler had a bout of mono last season.
"Never ignore a coincidence. Unless you're busy, in which case always ignore a coincidence."
Correct
And this year he also found out a few things about some dietary allergies that he’s corrected, and that probably played into past stuff.
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Maybe he caught it from CoJack ;)
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by snakecharmer on Jul 31, 2011 2:16 PM EDT up reply actions
(That was Valley Fever)
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(I know)
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by snakecharmer on Jul 31, 2011 2:18 PM EDT up reply actions
(Okay cool. Parenthesis are also cool)
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(Yes they are. We are cool.)
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by snakecharmer on Jul 31, 2011 2:21 PM EDT up reply actions
(Ohhh yeeeeeah)
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Yeah I don't remember when
(since I don’t pay as close attention to the A’s as I do my boys ;))
but I thought there were a few injury concerns and that they just rested him rather than DL’ing him but that it was a consideration.
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by snakecharmer on Jul 31, 2011 2:15 PM EDT up reply actions
Harden is made out of glass
"When I get sad, I stop getting sad and be AWESOME instead. TRUE STORY."
I know, poor baby :(
Nice guy, one of my favorites….
I stopped reading. Now I just write sarcastic, angry comments.. -- soco
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by snakecharmer on Jul 31, 2011 2:11 PM EDT up reply actions
Apparently the Red Sox balked on the PTBNL when they saw Harden's medicals - like they're a surprise at this point?
Rumor is they wanted a contingency that if Harden made it through the rest of the year the A’s would get the PTBNL, but if he didn’t the PTBNL would be removed from the deal.
Forget that. If you want Harden, you should know what you’re getting into and you take that risk.
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What?! Yeah, that's not a mystery
That’s crazy, I know of incentives in contracts but I’ve never heard of (many?) contingencies in trades….
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by snakecharmer on Jul 31, 2011 2:13 PM EDT up reply actions
Laars Anderson is overrated anyways
"When I get sad, I stop getting sad and be AWESOME instead. TRUE STORY."
Sure, but that still would've been more than I expected for Harden in any trade
And at least Anderson had a chance to get something back over his career.
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Poor Richie, he gets one month of pitching
with the A’s and then he’s done again? I can’t imagine he feels terribly much love for Beane right now…
I stopped reading. Now I just write sarcastic, angry comments.. -- soco
They're not even cooking the ice! -- kishi
by snakecharmer on Jul 31, 2011 2:17 PM EDT up reply actions
He's not done
That’s Boston acting like he’ll fall apart at any moment.
Which, of course, he IS prone to doing.
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Well I meant done in Oakland
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by snakecharmer on Jul 31, 2011 2:18 PM EDT up reply actions
(Harden actually wants to stay in Oakland anyway, from the quotes I read last night)
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I hope so...
I think he’s a pretty good fit in Oakland but with Beane always trading him….
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by snakecharmer on Jul 31, 2011 2:21 PM EDT up reply actions
Truth is, if I could get someone decent for him I'd trade him too
Just the nature of the business along with his injury history.
One of the best pitchers you’ll see when healthy, but he’s hardly ever healthy for an extended period of time.
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But why would Oakland have gotten him back, then
if they just wanted him gone again?
I stopped reading. Now I just write sarcastic, angry comments.. -- soco
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by snakecharmer on Jul 31, 2011 2:24 PM EDT up reply actions
It's not so much them wanting him gone as much as it's someone else wanting him and being willing to offer something decent
And I think the “decent” thing from Boston was in the PTBNL. Anderson is blocked as long as Adrian Gonzalez is in a Red Sox uniform, and he may never live up to his potential.
If the rumor’s true about them being reluctant to include the PBTNL without an injury contingency, that tells me the value was more in who the PTBNL might be.
Harden did want to come back to the A’s and the A’s had a spot for him, but they also expected to contend for the division this year. Now that they aren’t, certain people become available.
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Yeah, that's true, it's just sad for Harden
although I’m sure he’d be happy to pitch in a pennant race..
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by snakecharmer on Jul 31, 2011 2:31 PM EDT up reply actions
Though I dunno how overrated Anderson is any more
Most people seem to know he’s not reached his potential.
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So is Mark Prior
"I didn't mean to hit the umpire with the dirt, but I did mean to hit that bastard in the stands." -Babe Ruth
by Rockkstarr12 on Jul 31, 2011 2:17 PM EDT up reply actions
He's Canadian
A Canadian’s arm tends to rip off easily… (please get the reference)
by CaptainCanuck on Jul 31, 2011 10:42 PM EDT up reply actions
I know I'm one of the "NOT GOLDSCHMIDT" vocalists
especially since non of our minor leaguer thus far (save Paterson) have made a huge impact on the club this year. But seeing the production we’ve had out of first base this year, as Jim said it’s not like he has to do a whole lot to be better than that…
I stopped reading. Now I just write sarcastic, angry comments.. -- soco
They're not even cooking the ice! -- kishi
Okay, there's one
That’s true.
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by snakecharmer on Jul 31, 2011 2:10 PM EDT up reply actions
last night at the game Shaw was hitting 96-97 mph on the scoreboard
not sure if that’s legit though
"When I get sad, I stop getting sad and be AWESOME instead. TRUE STORY."
Speed is good
Needs to have control too.
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by snakecharmer on Jul 31, 2011 2:17 PM EDT up reply actions
Aside from those throw-away high pitches
(what the heck were they anyway?) he looked good last night.
Good point, Jenny!
"I didn't mean to hit the umpire with the dirt, but I did mean to hit that bastard in the stands." -Babe Ruth
by Rockkstarr12 on Jul 31, 2011 2:14 PM EDT up reply actions
Great trade!
Nice young dependable reliever we’ll have for a few years for some parts we didn’t really have a use for. I hope Allen takes off in the AL, where he can’t hurt us too bad.
I don’t know how it wouldnt be Goldy at this point, since he’s not even getting pitched to in AA. And im scared at this point that reno does nothing but screw up our prospects, and id rather keep home out of there.
by SenSurround on Jul 31, 2011 2:11 PM EDT via mobile reply actions
So, if Allen's done today
and Ziegler’s not joining us till tomorrow when we head up HERE to the ‘Bay… we’re down a position player today?
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Are you going to any of the games?
Jim McLennan is right!
by Coach Cleats on Jul 31, 2011 2:20 PM EDT up reply actions
Tuesday and Wednesday
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by snakecharmer on Jul 31, 2011 2:22 PM EDT up reply actions
Nice! I wish I could be there for the D-Back sweep on Wednesday.
Jim McLennan is right!
by Coach Cleats on Jul 31, 2011 2:23 PM EDT up reply actions
I'm tempted to ask Ziggy if it's possible to get a ticket to one of the games
Because I don’t like paying to see a Giants game. Ahem.
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Do it!
We’ll meet up!
Though I’m not sure he’s met Roger Riley yet, awkward (for him) to ask for tickets from a new team from a guy you’ve never met? ;)
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by snakecharmer on Jul 31, 2011 2:25 PM EDT up reply actions
Do it!
Yeah, I am only going if I get a free ticket. I refuse to give them any of my dough.
Jim McLennan is right!
by Coach Cleats on Jul 31, 2011 2:26 PM EDT up reply actions
Will we see you on TV again?
It's the stuff that dreams are made of
It's the slow and steady fire
by 4 Corners Fan on Jul 31, 2011 3:15 PM EDT up reply actions
I'll do my best
but it’s not my birthday anymore… :)
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by snakecharmer on Jul 31, 2011 3:15 PM EDT up reply actions
There's no real justification
for keeping him in the minors. Let him come up, struggle for a couple of weeks, then get into a groove going into late August and September. No brainer, in my estimation.
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by NASCARbernet on Jul 31, 2011 2:17 PM EDT up reply actions
We saw that, it's in the story
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by snakecharmer on Jul 31, 2011 2:17 PM EDT up reply actions
Sorry :)
You ESP me you’re thinking about posting, and I’ll ESP you back to hit F5.
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by snakecharmer on Jul 31, 2011 2:26 PM EDT up reply actions
All i have to say about the rumour of goldy being promoted is
by C. Wesley Baier on Jul 31, 2011 2:18 PM EDT reply actions
Cold water
Remember, he’s nobody until he produces. There’s been a fairly long line of ’can’t miss’ pheenoms that produced monster numbers in the minors only to stumble miserably in The Show.
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by NASCARbernet on Jul 31, 2011 2:29 PM EDT up reply actions
Exaaaaaactly
I’m nervous but hopeful.
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by snakecharmer on Jul 31, 2011 2:31 PM EDT up reply actions
Agreed.
If it is callup day for him, the timing works because he’ll have a few weeks to adjust before the pressure really hits in September.
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by NASCARbernet on Jul 31, 2011 2:33 PM EDT up reply actions
That kid
Scares me
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the last two posts were pretty much my reaction
"When I get sad, I stop getting sad and be AWESOME instead. TRUE STORY."
Here's the thing, we still need to make pitching moves...
IN
- Marquis
- Ziegler
- Goldschmidt
OUT
- Allen
Plus, Marquis filled our 40-man roster. Allen and Norberto coming off means two slots open up but we need three…
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Well
Someone will probably get bumped from the bullpen for Ziegler, I’d imagine.
"Never ignore a coincidence. Unless you're busy, in which case always ignore a coincidence."
Cook is my guess
since Castillo (my first guess) was DL’d with “bad pitching”.
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by snakecharmer on Jul 31, 2011 2:32 PM EDT up reply actions
And KT said
that the starter bumped out for Marquis would go to the ’pen, so the starter (Collmenter/Owings) will NOT be sent away-away-o. So another bullpen arm has to go…
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by snakecharmer on Jul 31, 2011 2:33 PM EDT up reply actions
Sheesh. I guess no-one reads the updated story...
With Micah Owings likely also moving to the bullpen as a result of the arrival of Jason Marquis, this seems to give Arizona a bullpen of: Putz, Hernandez, Ziegler, Paterson, Owings, Sam Demel and Bryan Shaw, with Ryan Cook going back to Reno.
Daron "...the D. Baxter fan-club"
Mark: "A non-profit organization."
by Jim McLennan on Jul 31, 2011 2:42 PM EDT up reply actions
Exactly. That's yesterday's news
and I said that Cook was my guess, since Castillo was my first guess, but it hasn’t been announced yet.
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by snakecharmer on Jul 31, 2011 2:44 PM EDT up reply actions
If "yesterday's news" had Ziegler in the AZ bullpen
I’d like a copy of the lottery numbers from it, please….
Daron "...the D. Baxter fan-club"
Mark: "A non-profit organization."
by Jim McLennan on Jul 31, 2011 2:50 PM EDT up reply actions
You're one man down
You forgot Duke.
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by snakecharmer on Jul 31, 2011 2:56 PM EDT up reply actions
Ah, thought it seemed light
Presumably Shaw and Cook down then. Maybe Demel, I suppose.
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Mark: "A non-profit organization."
by Jim McLennan on Jul 31, 2011 2:59 PM EDT up reply actions
Think they give up on Demel this soon?
I’m not sure. I would think Shaw too…
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by snakecharmer on Jul 31, 2011 3:02 PM EDT up reply actions
Still got options I think
This is only Demel’s second year in the majors.
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Mark: "A non-profit organization."
by Jim McLennan on Jul 31, 2011 3:04 PM EDT up reply actions
Demel needs some work on his mechanics
before anything else.
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by NASCARbernet on Jul 31, 2011 3:26 PM EDT up reply actions
Nady
Dear Lord I hope it’s Nady.
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by Dan Strittmatter on Jul 31, 2011 7:11 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
I'm watching it. It's great!
Cueto is dealing.
Jim McLennan is right!
by Coach Cleats on Jul 31, 2011 2:22 PM EDT up reply actions
As I read this article I kept hearing
Mark Grace’s Voice of him Saying GOOOOOLLLLDDDSHIDMT
Random Thought/Question
Is it me, or does it seem like 75% of our trades in the past few years have been with the A’s?
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Well, Beane trades with everybody
Who else did we get from them?
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by snakecharmer on Jul 31, 2011 2:23 PM EDT up reply actions
Well
I’m thinking the Haren trade and the CoJack/Demel trade
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OH. Duh, Haren!
That was a good trade. CoJack/Demel seemed pretty good on our end too but CoJack’s dealing right now. Heard his name in other trade rumors.
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by snakecharmer on Jul 31, 2011 2:26 PM EDT up reply actions
Naw, Beane likes to trade with NL West teams to stick it to the Giants.
Look at the history going back to 2006, and you’ll see what I mean.
Jim McLennan is right!
by Coach Cleats on Jul 31, 2011 2:29 PM EDT up reply actions
Yeah, Colorado's a big trade partner too
but if I recall, he’s very careful about no inter-division trades.
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by snakecharmer on Jul 31, 2011 2:33 PM EDT up reply actions
But
Colorado and AZ qualify as “inter”-division trades for Oakland :P
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INTRA :P
SORRY!
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by snakecharmer on Jul 31, 2011 2:38 PM EDT up reply actions
And in not surprising news
Verlander has a no-no through 5.
I survived the 2004 & 2010 seasons.
Goldschmidt is AWESOME
Yesssssssssssss
my fantasy team appreciates that.
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by snakecharmer on Jul 31, 2011 2:27 PM EDT up reply actions
Meh. I started pitchers
needing the wins, they messed up my ERA. Shouldn’t have sacrificed ERA and WHIP for Wins.
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by snakecharmer on Jul 31, 2011 2:29 PM EDT up reply actions
looks like Bell to the Rangers
not to surprised
"When I get sad, I stop getting sad and be AWESOME instead. TRUE STORY."
WOW, not surprised but I want to see
what the Pads will get.
I survived the 2004 & 2010 seasons.
Goldschmidt is AWESOME
A box of chocolates?
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by NASCARbernet on Jul 31, 2011 2:30 PM EDT up reply actions
Rusty Greer and Juan Gonzalez
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I'm hearing that
George Bush and Nolan Ryan are not in included. Who knows…
I survived the 2004 & 2010 seasons.
Goldschmidt is AWESOME
Not sure if Ryan can pass the medical
and Bush is booked in September to do personal appearances in New York…
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by NASCARbernet on Jul 31, 2011 2:39 PM EDT up reply actions
Heart condition and all
I bet Ryan could probably show up in better shape than, say, Pablo Sandoval.
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My guess is he was very upset with the sad death of the fan in Texas
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by NASCARbernet on Jul 31, 2011 2:43 PM EDT up reply actions
Ehhhhhhh
Oh well.
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by snakecharmer on Jul 31, 2011 2:27 PM EDT up reply actions
the deal might be for Adams
not Bell
"When I get sad, I stop getting sad and be AWESOME instead. TRUE STORY."
WTH!!!!!!
THIS IS RIDICULOUS
how the hell did Adams net Weiland AND Erlin for the Padres?
Arms race indeed in the NL West. Originally the Padres were way behind in the arms race in my last post. With Weiland and Erlin they just picked up two very legit pitching prospects. Most likely will end up as MOR guys, but scouts always underrate prospects like Weiland and Erlin. Leave it to Jed Hoyer to make such an awesome sabr-oriented trade like this.
This trade pisses me off so much.
by blue bulldog on Jul 31, 2011 6:54 PM EDT up reply actions
Yikes, huh?
Makes our trade for Ziegler look that much better. Look at what the Rangers gave up for Uehara and Adams. Holy cow.
"Baseball fans are junkies, and their heroin is the statistic." Robert S. Wieder
seriously
what on Earth are the Rangers doing? they are completely overpaying in terms of prospects for relievers……
they had a top 3 farm system and a stacked major league roster and money to boot. you can’t ask for a better situation than the Rangers. now they are just wasting all of their assets. and for relievers???
by blue bulldog on Jul 31, 2011 7:52 PM EDT up reply actions
they are attempting to win now
and perhaps bring a championship to their fans. They have the hitting and starting pitching to compete, what they don’t have is a bullpen, hence they are selling off their future to try and buy a “right now”. Namely, because no one ever sits back and says, yeah those Rangers were okay, but they never won anything. This means that they’re not relevant, so lets watch some more Yankees-Red Sox highlights. A championship supposedly changes all of that. These windows of opportunity aren’t perpetual outside of Boston or New York or Philly where the money floods the payrolls so liberally and when you need someone, you can just go out and get them, so you have to seize your moment when you think you have the best chance to do so. NY’s starting pitching doesn’t scare anyone, Boston’s has been inconsistent from time to time, when will Texas see this window again? Next year, Boston and NY will simply buy the best available again.
I used to be disgusted, now I try to be amused....
this doesn't explain
why they couldn’t have said “Yo, Robbie Erlin is freaking amazing, easily a top 50 prospect in baseball, hand me over a cost-controlled awesome reliever or two non cost-controlled awesome relievers.”
nobody is forcing them to give up two of their best young arms for one reliever. you don’t think the Reds would have easily said “Holy shit, I’ll trade you Tyler Clippard for Robbie Erlin” when the Reds desperately need starting pitching?
the trade screams not conducting due diligence/making enough phone calls. they appeared desperate and the Padres took advantage.
+1
although Clippard is on the Nats.
"Baseball fans are junkies, and their heroin is the statistic." Robert S. Wieder
lol
my bad…should have fact checked
but i mean, Nats could use starting pitching prospects too…..hell most teams could always use starting pitching prospects
Good to know they caught up with the morning ;)
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by snakecharmer on Jul 31, 2011 2:34 PM EDT up reply actions
Heh
With the rumors that fly around it was just a matter of waiting for the details to be taken care of before it was official, that’s all.
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I'm always amazed
and how many people KNOW these things! They must leak them on purpose to mess up other teams’ deals or try to raise/lower the price. Because if only the front office people know, and the players know last, who tells the reporters?
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by snakecharmer on Jul 31, 2011 2:36 PM EDT up reply actions
True
But last night it was noted that everybody BUT the A’s and Red Sox seemed to be confirming the Harden trade as a done deal, only for the news on it falling apart coming out before the night was over. When the teams confirm things, then you know it’s done.
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Oh of course, that I get
but so many have been true… and they all must’ve known it was supposed to happen….
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by snakecharmer on Jul 31, 2011 2:39 PM EDT up reply actions
So, is Goldschmidt coming up TODAY
since we have the roster space? Where is Mobile, can he get to LA in time? Must’ve been told last night…
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Alabama and depends on the timing
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So, 3-4 hour flight
plus an hour at least from LAX on a Sunday afternoon….
He would’ve had to have been told by 7am, 10am his time.
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by snakecharmer on Jul 31, 2011 2:37 PM EDT up reply actions
I'm liking the Reds a lot now this weekend
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by NASCARbernet on Jul 31, 2011 2:41 PM EDT up reply actions
That's the one I'm going to watch
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by snakecharmer on Jul 31, 2011 2:38 PM EDT up reply actions
Have it on the Ipad right now.
Jim McLennan is right!
by Coach Cleats on Jul 31, 2011 2:40 PM EDT up reply actions
If we're not supposed to talk
about on-going no-hitters, how come MLBNetwork is talking talking talking about it? Don’t they know the superstition? Sheesh.
It's the stuff that dreams are made of
It's the slow and steady fire
by 4 Corners Fan on Jul 31, 2011 3:19 PM EDT up reply actions
Well, if it was OUR no-hitter
I’d delete you all. ;)
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by snakecharmer on Jul 31, 2011 3:20 PM EDT up reply actions
I'd be okay.
I was speaking about “a” no-hitter, not the one that was happening.
It's the stuff that dreams are made of
It's the slow and steady fire
by 4 Corners Fan on Jul 31, 2011 3:25 PM EDT up reply actions
Well, yes
but I’d have deleted me too…
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by snakecharmer on Jul 31, 2011 3:26 PM EDT up reply actions
@JackMagruder #Dbacks have not made decision of whether to recall Goldschmidt, Gibby just said.
I survived the 2004 & 2010 seasons.
Goldschmidt is AWESOME
Hmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm
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by snakecharmer on Jul 31, 2011 2:40 PM EDT up reply actions
BS
"I found Rome a city of bricks and left it a city of marble."
Caesar Augustus
by NASCARbernet on Jul 31, 2011 2:41 PM EDT up reply actions
Horsecrap.
They just don’t want to tell anyone.
I should have a mfin theme song.
by emilylovesthedbacks on Jul 31, 2011 2:42 PM EDT up reply actions
I suspect so
This has the scent of the Ryan Cook (I think) thing, where the “unofficial” word was right, just a little ahead of the official one. I’m pretty sure Goldschmidt will be promoted, but where too is the question…
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by Jim McLennan on Jul 31, 2011 2:44 PM EDT up reply actions
Yahoo! Sports has it
as “it’s being reported that Paul Goldschmidt will be promoted”
I should have a mfin theme song.
by emilylovesthedbacks on Jul 31, 2011 2:46 PM EDT up reply actions
Their source is probably Nick Piecoro as well
NBCSports is reporting the same thing, but with the same source.
You're probably right.
I should have a mfin theme song.
by emilylovesthedbacks on Jul 31, 2011 2:48 PM EDT up reply actions
There's no real point to sending him to Reno
other than seeing how far his fly balls will travel in thin air…
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by NASCARbernet on Jul 31, 2011 2:48 PM EDT up reply actions
You know
Norberto sucked and Brandon Allen just could not get playing time. I’m fine with this, approaching pleased.
This is not going to be pretty. We're talking violence, strong language, adult content...
Yeah, VERY excited about this
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by snakecharmer on Jul 31, 2011 2:42 PM EDT up reply actions
I really am liking this
We needed a stronger bullpen arm and we’re not exactly using Brandon Allen for anything, hopefully he can see some major playing time in Oakland.
This is not going to be pretty. We're talking violence, strong language, adult content...
I am happier with BA for Ziegler
than Cowgill for Ziegler, as was proposed last night. Cowgill’s still a prospect, happy to keep him.
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by snakecharmer on Jul 31, 2011 2:46 PM EDT up reply actions
This
Cowgill is going to do very good things in his career.
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by NASCARbernet on Jul 31, 2011 2:47 PM EDT up reply actions
Goldy Gopher Ball in the near future?
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That is awesome!
Jim McLennan is right!
by Coach Cleats on Jul 31, 2011 2:48 PM EDT up reply actions
why does it say Seattle/ Minnesota?
"When I get sad, I stop getting sad and be AWESOME instead. TRUE STORY."
I'm guessing
Halftime Show
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It's good to have unlimited texts
getting a lot of twitter updates.
I survived the 2004 & 2010 seasons.
Goldschmidt is AWESOME
Wandy might be on his way to Cleveland...
I survived the 2004 & 2010 seasons.
Goldschmidt is AWESOME
With Ubaldo?
Holy Jeebus…
I should have a mfin theme song.
by emilylovesthedbacks on Jul 31, 2011 2:50 PM EDT up reply actions
And maybe to Toronto
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by snakecharmer on Jul 31, 2011 2:51 PM EDT up reply actions
Listening to the Gibson conference
He doesn’t think Ziegler is “exciting.” Pbbbbbbbbt. The rest of us think so!
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Gibby is about playing things down
staying on an even keel, no big heads, et cetera. But deep inside, you know he’s doing backflips….
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by NASCARbernet on Jul 31, 2011 2:51 PM EDT up reply actions
Well yeah
but he could show some enthusiasm.. “Yeah I’m happy about it, it’s a great move to shore up the bullpen.” Not “… I’m absorbing… you’ve done your research.. you can never have enough pitching….”
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by snakecharmer on Jul 31, 2011 2:53 PM EDT up reply actions
Its old school baseball psychology
like it or not, it has it’s utility.
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by NASCARbernet on Jul 31, 2011 2:54 PM EDT up reply actions
That's just his way.
His post-game news conferences could be marketed as a cure for for insomnia.
It's the stuff that dreams are made of
It's the slow and steady fire
by 4 Corners Fan on Jul 31, 2011 3:21 PM EDT up reply actions
Breaking News!
Jon Heyman is reporting Justin Verlander is good.
"When I get sad, I stop getting sad and be AWESOME instead. TRUE STORY."
The funny thing is
for all his ‘good-ness,’ he still doesn’t have the same level of stuff that Nolan Ryan had. Ryan could have just thrown curve balls and be effective. We don’t hear about it today, but Ryan threw a 90 mph curve ball that would start at a batter’s shoulders and wind up right below the knees, with pinpoint accuracy.
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by NASCARbernet on Jul 31, 2011 2:57 PM EDT up reply actions
If the
Biggest gripe about Verlander is “He’s not Nolan Ryan”, then he’s in a good place right now.
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Shame he didn't use that pinpoint accuracy more
Ryan might have walked less than 4.7 per nine innings, and led the league eight times in BBs…
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Mark: "A non-profit organization."
by Jim McLennan on Jul 31, 2011 3:01 PM EDT up reply actions
It was a different age
the strike zone was much tighter.
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by NASCARbernet on Jul 31, 2011 3:08 PM EDT up reply actions
Not really
1972-78, walk rates in the AL were between 3.1-3.4 per nine IP all but one year. And the last three seasons have been 3.4, 3.2 and 3.1, so basically unchanged.
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by Jim McLennan on Jul 31, 2011 3:41 PM EDT up reply actions
Doesn't matter
Verlander has a long, long way to go before any real comparisons can be made.
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by NASCARbernet on Jul 31, 2011 3:44 PM EDT up reply actions
Besides
he really didn’t care all that much about walks – he was ‘creatively wild.’ IOW, scare the living daylights out of opposing batters.
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by NASCARbernet on Jul 31, 2011 3:27 PM EDT up reply actions
What's the point of comparing him to Nolan Ryan?
Ryan’s not playing so Verlander doesn’t exactly have to better than he was.
This is not going to be pretty. We're talking violence, strong language, adult content...
So far
there is no comparison, but the press and some fans have already begun to make those comparison (good luck on that one).
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by NASCARbernet on Jul 31, 2011 3:45 PM EDT up reply actions
Heard that the Astros are relocating
to the PCL….(via Buster Olney)
I survived the 2004 & 2010 seasons.
Goldschmidt is AWESOME
Hehe
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by snakecharmer on Jul 31, 2011 2:56 PM EDT up reply actions
? about Goldy
Does bringing him up now vs September result in a service time/salary problem in the future? Sorry, just not familiar on how that all works out. Thanks
I'm not sure either
I think we have to keep him up the rest of the year or else we use up an “option” year (players get 3?). If we start his clock, we have to keep it going. It’s way too late for him to be “Super 2” anyway so that’s not a problem.
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by snakecharmer on Jul 31, 2011 2:57 PM EDT up reply actions
Thanks
Will August and September cost the team a year of control down the line? I remember that being an issue with upton.
Yes, it would be considered his first year
but if we’re going to use him, better to use him in August & September instead of just September.
I think. I’m honestly not sure. Maybe just being called up in September as opposed to August does something different. (I don’t think so.) But I think he’d better stay with the team the rest of the year…
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by snakecharmer on Jul 31, 2011 3:09 PM EDT up reply actions
You're welcome but don't hold me to it! :)
I’m not very knowledgeable in this area!
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by snakecharmer on Jul 31, 2011 3:11 PM EDT up reply actions
It will start his service clock
But it’s not like options where it’s either 1 or 0. He’ll just have 0.3 service years going in to next year. It’s at the end of the year where you accumulate six service years that you become a free agent, so it shouldn’t “cost” us a season. Even if he stays in the majors forever, he’s ours until the end of 2017, when he’d have 6.3 service years.
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Mark: "A non-profit organization."
by Jim McLennan on Jul 31, 2011 3:16 PM EDT up reply actions
Haha, Weaver thrown out of the game
That was expected. Guillen watched the HR, both teams warned, threw at Avila’s head anyway.
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It is
A interesting experiment into what happens when you gut an awful team completely of any talent it had.
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Going for the fewest amount of wins
Is kind of fun to watch, a la South park.
Wear your own fur.
by Marc Fournier on Jul 31, 2011 3:13 PM EDT up reply actions
Handed?
I thought it was another 4-for-1?
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by snakecharmer on Jul 31, 2011 3:06 PM EDT up reply actions
None of the three pitchers
Houston received in the trade were ranked in the top 25 in the Braves farm system. The fourth player, Schafer, used to be a high-end prospect but was suspended for HGH and had a wrist surgery and has been fairly crappy ever since.
Wear your own fur.
by Marc Fournier on Jul 31, 2011 3:12 PM EDT up reply actions
Ahh, gotcha...
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by snakecharmer on Jul 31, 2011 3:13 PM EDT up reply actions
Jimenez deal not done?!
Just received more confirmation, #Indians minor leaguer Matt McBride in an Akron hospital with eye fracture. May hold up Jimenez deal.
Um, ouch. This is why players are pulled from games…..
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crazy things happening in Detroit
I hate Guillen and now Weaver is going to be suspended.
"When I get sad, I stop getting sad and be AWESOME instead. TRUE STORY."
Rightfully so
He did that on purpose.
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by snakecharmer on Jul 31, 2011 3:09 PM EDT up reply actions
you can't watch a homerun like that and expect otherwise
and they watched two homeruns already
"When I get sad, I stop getting sad and be AWESOME instead. TRUE STORY."
Verlander with a no hitter
and the Tigers are showboating excessively. Weaver got pissed and threw over a guy’s head.
"When I get sad, I stop getting sad and be AWESOME instead. TRUE STORY."
50 minutes left till the trade deadline
Think we do anything else?
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Sean Burroughs for Heath Bell
:P
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Yesssssssss do it
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by snakecharmer on Jul 31, 2011 3:12 PM EDT up reply actions
Yes please.
I should have a mfin theme song.
by emilylovesthedbacks on Jul 31, 2011 3:14 PM EDT up reply actions
Who would you send down instead?
I think Putz, Hernandez, Paterson/Ziegler, Duke, Owings, and Demel…
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by snakecharmer on Jul 31, 2011 3:12 PM EDT up reply actions
We're paying Duke a lot of money
My guess is IF we do (and I doubt we do), Owings would be that odd man out….
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by snakecharmer on Jul 31, 2011 3:15 PM EDT up reply actions
I hope they just release Duke
Owings has earned a spot
"When I get sad, I stop getting sad and be AWESOME instead. TRUE STORY."
And eat the $1.4m left plus $750k buyout?
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by snakecharmer on Jul 31, 2011 3:17 PM EDT up reply actions
Or trade him for someone who sucks as much
But is paid a little less.
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by BulldogsNotZags on Jul 31, 2011 3:18 PM EDT up reply actions
What's the incentive
For the other team?
Wear your own fur.
by Marc Fournier on Jul 31, 2011 3:18 PM EDT up reply actions
Duke has potential
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by snakecharmer on Jul 31, 2011 3:19 PM EDT up reply actions
No sane team
Buying for a push for the playoffs would bite for that potential. The other teams selling won’t take on that salary either.
Wear your own fur.
by Marc Fournier on Jul 31, 2011 3:24 PM EDT up reply actions
Yeah, and I don't think
he’s got a rotation spot next year… $5.5m club option….
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by snakecharmer on Jul 31, 2011 3:25 PM EDT up reply actions
We throw in
Some candy
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Or the chips and guac
we got in the Gallaraga deal
by sonic barracuda on Jul 31, 2011 3:21 PM EDT up reply actions
Only works
If it’s Sour Patch Kids.
Wear your own fur.
by Marc Fournier on Jul 31, 2011 3:23 PM EDT up reply actions
Someone
Can run to Walgreens and pick up some for KT before he makes that trade
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White Sox suddenly decided
their rotation was a bit thin…
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by snakecharmer on Jul 31, 2011 3:19 PM EDT up reply actions
Yeah apparently some people actually think Duke could be good.
I’ve never seen it.
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by BulldogsNotZags on Jul 31, 2011 3:19 PM EDT up reply actions
7 shutout innings
in Houston?
Oh, wait, it wasn’t on TV….
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by snakecharmer on Jul 31, 2011 3:20 PM EDT up reply actions
And also was against Houston
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by BulldogsNotZags on Jul 31, 2011 3:20 PM EDT up reply actions
he's probably gonna do more harm than good
"When I get sad, I stop getting sad and be AWESOME instead. TRUE STORY."
Aaaand they just tried to bunt for a base hit
Luckily, they decided it was an error.
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Crap. There's a game today. :-)
Better get on the GDT!
Daron "...the D. Baxter fan-club"
Mark: "A non-profit organization."
And that's how you could, potentially,
lose a no-hitter. Still technically a no-hitter for Verlander…
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Base hit
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DFA!
We’ll pick him up on waivers ;)
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Hellllls yeah
I like your thinking! :)
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by snakecharmer on Jul 31, 2011 3:22 PM EDT up reply actions
A base hit *over* the third baseman's head
is not bad.
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by snakecharmer on Jul 31, 2011 3:23 PM EDT up reply actions
It was an error
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by snakecharmer on Jul 31, 2011 3:25 PM EDT up reply actions
Wasn't there an error that could have ended the inning?
Erego he may not have had to pitch to Izturis this inning.
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by BulldogsNotZags on Jul 31, 2011 3:24 PM EDT up reply actions
Error started off the inning
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by snakecharmer on Jul 31, 2011 3:25 PM EDT up reply actions
So the Kendrick K would've ended it then, right?
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by BulldogsNotZags on Jul 31, 2011 3:26 PM EDT up reply actions
Yes,
so it might be two unearned runs.
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by snakecharmer on Jul 31, 2011 3:26 PM EDT up reply actions
So
In actual things playing news, CY apparently has the day off
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Or in actual things not playing.
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by BulldogsNotZags on Jul 31, 2011 3:27 PM EDT up reply actions
Well... day off as a starter ;)
Yeah, saw that, Parra LF Cowgill CF.
Cowgill better have speed, Dodger Stadium’s CF is pretty big…
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by snakecharmer on Jul 31, 2011 3:28 PM EDT up reply actions
"Cowgill better have speed"
Is like saying “The Pacific Ocean better be damp”
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So, he's got speed? :P
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by snakecharmer on Jul 31, 2011 3:29 PM EDT up reply actions
From Nick Piecoro
Nick Piecoro
Just because it’s not “official” — by which I mean announced — doesn’t mean it’s not happening. I’m positive Goldschmidt is coming up.
5 minutes ago
"When I get sad, I stop getting sad and be AWESOME instead. TRUE STORY."
Hmmm, so, eating might be good...
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You need to be ready for the lunch roll call.
It's the stuff that dreams are made of
It's the slow and steady fire
by 4 Corners Fan on Jul 31, 2011 3:35 PM EDT up reply actions
I do need to be ready....
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by snakecharmer on Jul 31, 2011 3:36 PM EDT up reply actions
Yes. Like this!
It's the stuff that dreams are made of
It's the slow and steady fire
by 4 Corners Fan on Jul 31, 2011 3:35 PM EDT up reply actions
Hmm...
Hopefully he doesn’t pull a Colin Cowgill
by CardsForTheWin on Jul 31, 2011 3:36 PM EDT up reply actions
Yeah I think so too.
I felt sorry for him when he was struggling. He just has to get comfortable.
by CardsForTheWin on Jul 31, 2011 3:41 PM EDT up reply actions
Cowgill is going to be a fine major league player
but don’t expect miracles from anyone right out of the shoot. For example, major league pitching is like calculus, the minor leagues are like basic algebra. It’s a fairly large leap going from algebra to calculus.
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by NASCARbernet on Jul 31, 2011 3:51 PM EDT up reply actions
SF now losing 8-0 in the 8th
Time to get a win, boys.
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So they go 2-1 against the Phillies
But are about to get swept by Cincy?
by CardsForTheWin on Jul 31, 2011 3:34 PM EDT up reply actions
Back end of their starting rotation
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by snakecharmer on Jul 31, 2011 3:35 PM EDT up reply actions
At times, yes :)
Bumgarner’s not perfect….
AH. They started ZITO today. That explains it.
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by snakecharmer on Jul 31, 2011 3:38 PM EDT up reply actions
Mhm...
A 30 mph curveball can’t always get it done.
by CardsForTheWin on Jul 31, 2011 3:38 PM EDT up reply actions
Livan laughs at this comment.
I got nothin'.
by Bcawz on Jul 31, 2011 3:39 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
They scratched Lincecum earlier
so he could pitch against us
by sonic barracuda on Jul 31, 2011 3:38 PM EDT up reply actions
And he had the stomach flu
He was legitimately sick. But it is also inconvenient. :(
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by snakecharmer on Jul 31, 2011 3:39 PM EDT up reply actions
that's a mighty convenient
stomach flu right there.
I should have a mfin theme song.
by emilylovesthedbacks on Jul 31, 2011 3:41 PM EDT up reply actions
lol Verlander
just shouted at Aybar from the dugout that he was going to get one right here. He pointed to his back. lol that was a great shot.
"When I get sad, I stop getting sad and be AWESOME instead. TRUE STORY."
I missed that
Damn, that would hurt coming from Valverde..
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by snakecharmer on Jul 31, 2011 3:35 PM EDT up reply actions
yea, it was on the dugout cam
he hit himself on the back
"When I get sad, I stop getting sad and be AWESOME instead. TRUE STORY."
I don't think he'll do it
1-run game, Valverde needs to close it. But the threat of it might get in his head!
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by snakecharmer on Jul 31, 2011 3:37 PM EDT up reply actions
So the Giants get Beltran
And we get Goldschmidt. TAKE THAT, SAN FRANCISCO!
Wear your own fur.
by Marc Fournier on Jul 31, 2011 3:36 PM EDT reply actions 2 recs
Oh look, a gameday thread...
http://www.azsnakepit.com/2011/7/31/2307714/gameday-thread-108-7-31-vs-dodgers#storyjump
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I'd love to go into Frisco
with only a 2-game deficit
by sonic barracuda on Jul 31, 2011 3:43 PM EDT reply actions
Yes!
We really need to win two games in that series though.
by CardsForTheWin on Jul 31, 2011 3:44 PM EDT up reply actions
I think we can
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by snakecharmer on Jul 31, 2011 3:45 PM EDT up reply actions
That's the spirit.
"I found Rome a city of bricks and left it a city of marble."
Caesar Augustus
by NASCARbernet on Jul 31, 2011 3:46 PM EDT up reply actions
I think we need to win at least one for sure
two would be nice
"When I get sad, I stop getting sad and be AWESOME instead. TRUE STORY."
15 minutes left to make moves...
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And I'm going to move right now out this door
and buy some groceries…
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by NASCARbernet on Jul 31, 2011 3:46 PM EDT up reply actions
I'm firing up the radio in the pool
and hope I don’t get lightning again!
by sonic barracuda on Jul 31, 2011 3:51 PM EDT reply actions
I think it was inevitable that Brandon Allen would be traded
I just didn’t think it was going to be today
"When I get sad, I stop getting sad and be AWESOME instead. TRUE STORY."
Some people argued he was called up to play
in the hopes of attracting some interest as a trade chip. I guess they were right.
by sonic barracuda on Jul 31, 2011 3:56 PM EDT up reply actions
I wasn’t sure we were going to be able to get anything from him.
"Baseball fans are junkies, and their heroin is the statistic." Robert S. Wieder
And I can't believe
someone wanted Norberto…
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by snakecharmer on Jul 31, 2011 4:10 PM EDT up reply actions
Ziegler and Collmenter back2back
These two funky deliveries should really compliment each other. Now where did B. Kim get off to?
Ziegler/Paterson back to back...
for righties/lefties.
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by snakecharmer on Jul 31, 2011 4:10 PM EDT up reply actions
then throw in Collmenter..
who one could argue that he is neither righty or lefty since its just over the top
GOLDY?!
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We were contenders, now throwin' the fight
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by Jdub220 on Jul 31, 2011 4:13 PM EDT reply actions 3 recs
Funny but I don't understand it
kind of like “Todd Margaret”.
Even "Out of the Park" Wagner Mateo K's a ton.
by Reynolds rapper on Aug 1, 2011 4:47 AM EDT up reply actions
Not gonna lie
Trading a dude with a sub-100 BABIP is pretty much the definition of selling low.
For a ROOGY, this is a lot to surrender… good ‘ol Billy Beane just got himself a new DH if Carter can’t stick.
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by Dan Strittmatter on Jul 31, 2011 7:16 PM EDT via mobile reply actions
well
if he’s a DH then he’s not that much of an asset to us
and sub-100 BABIP aside, he’s also not going to hit for a 300+ ISO or maintain an 18-19% walk rate
this is a decent pickup for Brandon Allen. at least we have multiple years of control for Ziegler.
by blue bulldog on Jul 31, 2011 7:55 PM EDT up reply actions
The walk rate doesn't seem absurd
And a .200 ISO is reasonable.
He just wasn’t ever going to get a chance. I think he’d have made an excellent bench bat, particularly with plenty of scouts still calling Goldschmidt a platoon bat.
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by Dan Strittmatter on Jul 31, 2011 11:19 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
yeah
i have allen pegged as a bench bat too
but i think ziegler is a pretty good pickup for a bench bat
I think he could be more
i.e. a very good platoon 1B or LF, but we just had those holes plugged already. I just don’t get why he never got a chance. It’s frustrating, and will be particularly frustrating if he subsequently plays well for the A’s, because I’m betting he gets a chance there.
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by Dan Strittmatter on Aug 1, 2011 3:49 AM EDT up reply actions
not as frustrating
as when the A’s mysteriously decide to trade him back to the Rockies to be their 1B of the future, for a half-season’s worth of some decent bat
:(
Maaaaan...
Now I has a sad. :(
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by Dan Strittmatter on Aug 1, 2011 11:56 AM EDT via mobile up reply actions
Also
He doesn’t need to be a DH, it’s just that the A’s don’t have any…
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by Dan Strittmatter on Aug 1, 2011 3:50 AM EDT up reply actions
Getting a reliever
Who has 2.9 WAR since 2008 and filling the hole at 1B with a prospect everyone’s oozing about (and probably won’t be any worse than Allen) sounds like a deal to me.
Wear your own fur.
by Marc Fournier on Jul 31, 2011 8:01 PM EDT up reply actions
well
the 1B hole would have been filled regardless of the return on Brandon Allen
so basically Dan is saying that we didn’t maximize the return on BA. but yeah, i dunno. i think Ziegler is pretty good. remember, the last time BA got traded he only got Tony Pena in return. and it’s not like Pena was worth anything after the trade.
by blue bulldog on Jul 31, 2011 8:25 PM EDT up reply actions
Exactly what I was thinking
The fact that he’s been flipped for a relief pitcher twice kind of shows me how our organization and others view Allen’s value, both potentially and currently. It’s still premature to write him off but I think it was pretty clear that Allen’s high K% was going to be the death of him anyway. STRIKEOUTZ R BAD.
I just think it’s weird to say we sold low on a guy who we traded Tony Pena for. He hasn’t exactly shown us that much to get excited about either. I’d rather have a solid reliever, one who gives Hernandez some breathing room, in a potential playoff push rather than a 1B who was bound to be sent away for Goldschmidt anyway.
Wear your own fur.
by Marc Fournier on Jul 31, 2011 10:05 PM EDT up reply actions
All this said
It gives Hernandez breathing room, which is great, and Ziegler is death on righties.
I also think that we shouldn’t expect Goldschmidt to tear the league apart right away. If it means less Nady, though (lack of stupid platoon reasoning), it’ll be a huge win immediately.
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by Dan Strittmatter on Jul 31, 2011 11:25 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
It is true
That Ziegler is a better return than Pena was. Still is a guy who has to be used really carefully, and I’d think Allen would have a tad more value than the last time HR was traded.
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by Dan Strittmatter on Jul 31, 2011 11:22 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
+1
Agree completely. This won’t be terrible if Goldschmidt hits like expected and Ziegler is used correctly (i e almost never facing left handed pitching). But we could have held on to Allen then flipped him. Patience is a virtue.
by C. Wesley Baier on Jul 31, 2011 9:36 PM EDT up reply actions
Goldschmidt up? Confirmed?
But anyways, I really like Allen and I still think he can be an above average first baseman, but I was okay with dealing him to shore up the bullpen. I’m just not sure if I like that he’s been dealt for a ROOGY though. Bleh, at least Ziegler’s cost controlled, and he complements Patterson well.
no mention of Noberto?
Lefties that throw 96 mph dont grow on trees, he has obvious control issues though
Apparently A’s asked for Collin Cowgill 2 weeks ago and again today, but dbacks declined. Wonder if breslow or balfour were in the deal, maybe more willing to trade cowgill
He throws hard
but he’s pretty bad. Walks EVERYONE.
"We're concentrating on fallin' apart
We were contenders, now throwin' the fight
I just wanna believe, I just wanna believe in us."
-Brand New, probably singing about the Diamondbacks
Lefties that throw 96 mph
Might not grow on trees, but lefties with control issues do and Norberto’s one of them. He has a career walk rate of nearly 15%. That’s not just bad, that’s Dontrelle Willis bad.
Wear your own fur.
by Marc Fournier on Aug 1, 2011 12:28 AM EDT up reply actions
Seriously
I don’t even know why I planted that “lefties with control issues” orchard.
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by kishi on Aug 1, 2011 12:32 AM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
It seemed
Like a good idea at the time.
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by Marc Fournier on Aug 1, 2011 12:35 AM EDT up reply actions
who knew
that the demand would drop like this, curse you supply side economics!
I used to be disgusted, now I try to be amused....
I was also pretty sure
that there were subsidies available for this.
"Never ignore a coincidence. Unless you're busy, in which case always ignore a coincidence."
He "could" be a good reliever. That's a big if.
and when he finally decides to take off some of that velocity for control, he’ll probably be topping out in the low 90s.
"When I get sad, I stop getting sad and be AWESOME instead. TRUE STORY."
Norberto is what he is:
A lottery ticket. On the one-in-a-hundred chance he solves his control woes, the A’s score with a cheap lefty set-up type, which will easily return them more than Ziegler ever could when they inevitably re-sell him. 99 out of a hundred times, though, Norberto flames out as a September call-up up-and-down guy.
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by Dan Strittmatter on Aug 1, 2011 3:48 AM EDT up reply actions
Interesting to read some of these comments as an A's fan...
…. still, I laugh a little when Zona fans claim they ‘fleeced’ Oakland…. really, they didn’t Because Zeigler isn’t worth that much. His numbers are masked by how much we protect him from hitters we know will bust him (lefties)
Also, he is prone to give up runners already on base, something that obviously doesn’t show up in the stats.
Bullpen is a position of strength for us so Norberto is in no rush. If he can work on his control issues and maybe bring down the velocity then he can contribute.
Decent trade for both squads I would say.
I liked ziegler
A guy who went from independent leagues, took several yrs to rework submarine delivery, became a solid, healthy (pretty rare for A’s players) reliever but he was overrused and exposed by lefties. Great situational reliever.
Ctrl + F
the word “fleeced”. You are the only one to use it. We don’t need Allen, and Norberto is terrible. So, good trade.
And we will use him as a ROOGY too, and he will be very effective at it. Hell, if he shuts down Matt Kemp one damn time, I’ll be happy about it.
"We're concentrating on fallin' apart
We were contenders, now throwin' the fight
I just wanna believe, I just wanna believe in us."
-Brand New, probably singing about the Diamondbacks
unless he's referring to Zona fans at AZCentral :P
we probably shouldn’t bring him in with runners in scoring position though. groundball guys scare me like that.
Relief pitchers are 'terrible'
… then they are not… you know who was ‘terrible’ a while back?
Ziegler, when he was a nobody in the independent league.
Nobody said ‘fleeced’ on this site, I saw it from some Zona fans on ESPN.
Relief pitchers are 'terrible'
Jordan Noberto doubly so
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His numbers are awful but the A's take project arms all the time and straighten them out.
He’s a lefty who throws high 90s and we have so many arms it really doesn’t matter.
on his best days he might touch 95-96, he's mostly 92-93
not high 90s
"When I get sad, I stop getting sad and be AWESOME instead. TRUE STORY."
He's almost 25-years-old
And he still has tons of control issues. He’s not a project arm anymore, he’s just a pitcher who throws lots of ball fours.
Wear your own fur.
by Marc Fournier on Aug 1, 2011 2:51 PM EDT up reply actions
I never said he was done
I just said he was terrible :P
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Promised Colin Cowgill fifteen sandwiches on 7/6/2011
Some
relievers get better, most don’t. Norberto is probably in the “don’t” category. So good luck with that…
"We're concentrating on fallin' apart
We were contenders, now throwin' the fight
I just wanna believe, I just wanna believe in us."
-Brand New, probably singing about the Diamondbacks
Like Sprankton said,
he’s 25 already. He’s not really a prospect anymore.
"We're concentrating on fallin' apart
We were contenders, now throwin' the fight
I just wanna believe, I just wanna believe in us."
-Brand New, probably singing about the Diamondbacks
He's the guy you use when the Dodgers go L-L-R
when you want to pull Paterson.
Even "Out of the Park" Wagner Mateo K's a ton.
by Reynolds rapper on Aug 2, 2011 5:33 PM EDT up reply actions
This is one of my big concerns.
Arizona went into the deadline looking to get another set-up guy to compliment Hernandez. Ziegler, despite being good at what he does, is not that guy because he’s so easy to platoon against. I’m worried that Arizona might try to over-use him against lefties in order to make the claim that we nabbed a true set-up guy when we most certainly did not.
If Ziegler is used properly, this looks like it’ll be a solid, fair move all-around. Despite both being out of favor in AZ, Allen and Norberto are both solid pieces with a lot of upside.
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by Dan Strittmatter on Aug 1, 2011 4:26 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
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