Diamondbacks Acquire Jason Marquis
by snakecharmer on Jul 30, 2011 5:02 PM EDT
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It is being reported that the Diamondbacks have completed a trade with the Washington Nationals for right handed starter Jason Marquis. They have sent Washington A-level (South Bend) short stop Zach Walters in return.
Jason Marquis was drafted by the Atlanta Braves and played four years for them followed by three in St. Louis, where he won the Silver Slugger award in 2005. Marquis also pitched for the Cubs and Rockies. He had a rough 2010 with Washington, undergoing elbow surgery in April and only making 13 starts on the year and amassing a 6.60 ERA. He has turned it around this year, with an 8-5 record and 3.95 ERA in 20 starts.
Marquis also has good career numbers against the NL West and in particular the San Francisco Giants. It is suspected he might pitch in the upcoming series at AT&T Park, possibly taking Josh Collmenter's start directly or being slotted in and sliding down Ian Kennedy or Daniel Hudson by a day. Edited: This is now confirmed, he will start Wednesday afternoon's game instead of Collmenter, but no word on whether that will be a permanent spot for him in the rotation.
Marquis is at the end of a 2-year contract with the Nationals and is making $7.5 million this season. The Diamondbacks will take on all of the $2.47 million owed to Marquis for the last two months.
It's also worth noting that because we only gave up a minor leaguer in this deal, someone on the big league team will have to be sent down (or traded). My guess is Alberto Castillo, particularly after last night's performance against the Dodgers with Kevin Towers sitting right behind home plate. The Marquis move also puts the Diamondbacks' 40-man roster at 40. Edited: Well, Ryan Cook was called up for tonight and Alberto Castillo was placed on the disabled list with shoulder tendonitis. Marquis will not join the team until Monday in San Francisco, so no move needs to me made until then.
So now we have a Duke and a Marquis. Oh the possibilities for recap titles....
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Zach Walters
If that’s the only piece we gave up, it’s a good move. I didn’t want to give a top-15 prospect.
I survived the 2004 & 2010 seasons.
Goldschmidt is AWESOME
Damn, my calculations
were off. Thanks.
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by snakecharmer on Jul 30, 2011 5:05 PM EDT up reply actions
I think it's a good pick up
We didn’t give up much to get him.
by DiamondbacksWIn on Jul 30, 2011 5:07 PM EDT reply actions
Same here
A low level shortstop for two months of a rebounding Marquis? I’m fine with this.
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by snakecharmer on Jul 30, 2011 5:11 PM EDT up reply actions
Wasn't Marquis
the main pitcher behind the Upton beanball war when they were in AZ?
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by snakecharmer on Jul 30, 2011 5:11 PM EDT up reply actions
He is gonna get a garbage can thrown at him now
Lifelong Arizona Cardinals/Phoenix Suns/Chicago Bears fan [I have always lived in Arizona, dad is from Chicago].
Nope, I was mistaken, he didn’t pitch in the series…….
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Sounds good
Lifelong Arizona Cardinals/Phoenix Suns/Chicago Bears fan [I have always lived in Arizona, dad is from Chicago].
Meh
A 32-year old rental with a career ERA+ of 97. Not exactly locking up the NL West, is it?
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I hope it's not the only move...
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by snakecharmer on Jul 30, 2011 5:14 PM EDT up reply actions
I am thinking he is probably better than Micah
and allow Micah to go back to the bullpen where he has been solid
by DiamondbacksWIn on Jul 30, 2011 5:15 PM EDT up reply actions
People are always throwing Micah under the bus...
just see how it plays out. The guy whom I think is on the bubble is Duke.
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by NASCARbernet on Jul 30, 2011 5:18 PM EDT up reply actions
I like Micah just don't think he's a long term starter
I can’t see him being reliable for 7 innings per outing. I think he is a bullpen guy
by DiamondbacksWIn on Jul 30, 2011 5:22 PM EDT up reply actions
If anyone is going to the pen its Collmenter
That is if Owings pitches well today, I figure the two will be interchangable with Duke for the last rotation spot depending on who pitches better for the rest of the season.
It allows Micah to pitch out of the pen where we need him
by sonic barracuda on Jul 30, 2011 5:28 PM EDT up reply actions
That's my thinking too
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by snakecharmer on Jul 30, 2011 5:28 PM EDT up reply actions
If depends on what we want in the 'pen
If we want a long relief guy, that’s Micah – it’s what he’s been doing most of the year and it’s what he’s best at. I’m not buying Micah as a starter who can give you any more than five quality innings on any given day.
However, if we want a single-inning relief guy, i.e. an eighth-inning guy to give Hernandez some rest, then the guy to move is Collmenter, who could be shortened up to be a quality eighth-inning reliever and give us a very nice 7-8-9 tandem of Collmenter-Hernandez-Putz, or if the starter goes 7 innings it allows us to rest either Hernandez or Putz.
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by Dan Strittmatter on Jul 31, 2011 3:05 AM EDT up reply actions
Here is
Marquis stats vs NL west teams. 27 IP, 6 ER, 2.00 ERA, 15 k’s, 11 walks, 18 hits
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by Cfarris on Jul 30, 2011 5:15 PM EDT reply actions 1 recs
Probably a good reason behind the acquisition
with so many NL West games left.
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by snakecharmer on Jul 30, 2011 5:16 PM EDT up reply actions
That doesnt include the 5 1/3 shutout innings against AZ either.
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On the other hand
Winless in eight career starts at Chase…
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by Jim McLennan on Jul 30, 2011 5:20 PM EDT up reply actions
That'll probably change soon.
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by NASCARbernet on Jul 30, 2011 5:22 PM EDT up reply actions
Hmmm....
9 home runs in 9 games… that gives me a bit of worry…
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by snakecharmer on Jul 30, 2011 5:22 PM EDT up reply actions
The point isn't to beat the West. The point is to beat the Giants
Here’s what someone on twitter said, which I haven’t verified because I am at work and also lazy: 5-3, 2.47 ERA in 11 career starts vs. the Giants.
How much of that is a fluke? Overall he seems like an average pitcher, a #4 or #5 guy. Sure we need one but we need to win games too. I don’t want to hope this guy can still win against the Giants after being in this division for one season two years ago.
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Well, I assume he won't be pitching this series
Only six games left against SF after that, so odds are he’ll pitch just once against them.
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by Jim McLennan on Jul 30, 2011 5:22 PM EDT up reply actions
Though Jack M tweets Saunders is
Certain to pitch one of M-T-W at AT&T.
Hmmm. Marquis may be an upgrade on Owings or Collmenter, but very hard to argue he has a better chance than Saunders, Hudson or Kennedy of beating the Giants.
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by Jim McLennan on Jul 30, 2011 5:43 PM EDT up reply actions
But that's not the rotation for that series
Collmenter is scheduled for Wednesday’s day game.
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by snakecharmer on Jul 30, 2011 5:46 PM EDT up reply actions
Ah, my bad. One assumes that will be the move.
Especially after Collmenter got lit up like a Mexican police informant last night.
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by Jim McLennan on Jul 30, 2011 6:00 PM EDT up reply actions
Interesting.
Sat – Owings
Sun – Marquis
M – Kennedy
T – Hudson
W – Saunders
Th – Collmenter
F – Marquis?
by Brian MacKinney on Jul 30, 2011 6:30 PM EDT up reply actions
They have to beat the West
in order the beat the Giants. Last night’s fiasco is a case in point.
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by NASCARbernet on Jul 30, 2011 5:22 PM EDT up reply actions
Only because we happened to be playing the Dodgers
It could have been any other team. Doesn’t matter it was in the divison, we just needed to win.
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But the point is
a LOT of our remaining games are AGAINST NL West opponents, so we’ll be “just needing to win” against those opponents Marquis has proven he can beat.
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by snakecharmer on Jul 30, 2011 5:25 PM EDT up reply actions
But he hasn't played regularly in the division since 2009
My reaction is just “Meh, not sure how this helps but it didn’t cost much so I guess I’ll hope for the best.” He just seems to me to be just a kind of okay pitcher.
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He is, but I don't see
what’s wrong with being an okay pitcher…
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by snakecharmer on Jul 30, 2011 5:34 PM EDT up reply actions
Especially...
considering the role he’s being asked to play and what was paid for him. I’m fine with giving up a marginal-at-best minor leaguer and a couple million for an “okay pitcher.” If the cost had been more, I wouldn’t be fine with it.
by azshadowwalker on Jul 30, 2011 6:49 PM EDT up reply actions
15:11 K:BB?
Yeah, stellar….
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by Dan Strittmatter on Jul 31, 2011 3:05 AM EDT up reply actions
This is a solid acquisition
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Nice move
Any move, even a low cost/low reward one like this, is what I was hoping for. I would have been terribly disappointed if we just handed the Giants the division this year. And the players should know that their good play will be rewarded by the FO.
another hitting pitcher
whoever posted that fanpost wins.
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The D'Backs STILL need a major league shortstop
given that whirling vortex in the lineup.
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Not that i want them to
but I am surprised Furcal hasnt been an discussion point for AZ. Not a fan of him still being owed 4 Mil the rest of the seson….
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He has been
but it looks like the Cardinals have made a better offer.
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by snakecharmer on Jul 30, 2011 5:29 PM EDT up reply actions
I have to take it back
Willie B has been playing solid short and hitting fairly well. My bad.
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by NASCARbernet on Jul 30, 2011 5:32 PM EDT up reply actions
I agree
I am good with Willie B at SS
by DiamondbacksWIn on Jul 30, 2011 5:48 PM EDT up reply actions
Solid?
I disagree. His range is subpar, as is his arm. I would look up his UZR, but I know it is – something. We need a SS.
by Brian MacKinney on Jul 30, 2011 6:23 PM EDT up reply actions
6.7
pretty nice for a replacement.
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by Dan Strittmatter on Jul 31, 2011 3:08 AM EDT up reply actions
Don't understand this trade....
who goes to the pen? Micah? Collmenter? do we keep duke on? Juan Gut coming back soon?
Haven't heard about Guti in quite a while
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by snakecharmer on Jul 30, 2011 5:26 PM EDT up reply actions
he had a set-back
and i bet he’ll be shutdown pretty soon.
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Another one?
He was shut down beginning of the month, another setback recently?
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by snakecharmer on Jul 30, 2011 5:27 PM EDT up reply actions
oh thats what i was talking about.
but still, any setback in july means trouble. maybe he’d be back in september but would we want him if we’re in the stretch run?
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Right...
that’s what I meant by “hadn’t heard in several weeks”…..
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by snakecharmer on Jul 30, 2011 5:30 PM EDT up reply actions
Which means we need to use him soon...
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by snakecharmer on Jul 30, 2011 5:30 PM EDT up reply actions
A Marquis and a Duke
could a Prince be in the D’Backs future?
by azjazzman on Jul 30, 2011 5:29 PM EDT reply actions 1 recs
UGH
Don’t want FIELDER here
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by Rockkstarr12 on Jul 30, 2011 5:34 PM EDT up reply actions
... Why on earth would you not want Prince Fielder?
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by Dan Strittmatter on Jul 31, 2011 3:08 AM EDT up reply actions
$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$4
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That would be
ironic
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It Serves to Upgrade the Bullpen
It would have been nice to have Micah for a couple of innings last night during our attempted comeback.
by sonic barracuda on Jul 30, 2011 5:31 PM EDT reply actions
That's my initial thought as well
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by snakecharmer on Jul 30, 2011 5:31 PM EDT up reply actions
We
certainly needed help in the rotation, so Marquis could be decent in the back-end. It doesn’t seem like a game changer, but we’ll see.
122'.
I don't think KT is done
The fact that he has taken on a rental means he is going to try to make small deals like this to make a run this year. No blockbuster, sure, but him getting a 2-month starter is a good sign.
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by snakecharmer on Jul 30, 2011 5:33 PM EDT up reply actions
Not a total game changer
But it does send a signal to the squad that we still want to compete. I like it.
by sonic barracuda on Jul 30, 2011 5:33 PM EDT up reply actions
Exactly
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by snakecharmer on Jul 30, 2011 5:34 PM EDT up reply actions
wow texas traded
Chris Davis and Tommy Hunter for Orioles Uehara…makes me wonder what price for Gregg is
Yeah, Uehara is good
but 2-for-1, that’s pretty big.
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by snakecharmer on Jul 30, 2011 5:35 PM EDT up reply actions
they will get a massive salary relief check
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Wow
Makes it easy to understand why KT hasn’t pulled many triggers yet
by sonic barracuda on Jul 30, 2011 5:35 PM EDT up reply actions
Waiting for the price tags to go down..
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by snakecharmer on Jul 30, 2011 5:36 PM EDT up reply actions
That doesn't smell like the tags are going down
by sonic barracuda on Jul 30, 2011 5:36 PM EDT up reply actions
But after the moves today
Things’ll change tomorrow..
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by snakecharmer on Jul 30, 2011 5:37 PM EDT up reply actions
I think Tommy Hunter for Uehara is too much
and Chris Davis is not half bad. So that is kind of a puzzling deal.
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Texas needs reliable relief pitching.
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Jason Marquis is decent
in 09 he had a pretty good year in Colorado. Which is a good sign.
"When I get sad, I stop getting sad and be AWESOME instead. TRUE STORY."
Yeah, All-Star that year
He’s had pretty good years and really bad years…. hoping the rest of this year finds him on an upswing!
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by snakecharmer on Jul 30, 2011 5:55 PM EDT up reply actions
I'm with Jim
Not impressed at all. The price tag alone isn’t worth it. Look at that hideous WHIP. Yikes.
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I'm sorry this doesn't meet your approval
but the Giants want too much for Lincecum….
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by NASCARbernet on Jul 30, 2011 6:04 PM EDT up reply actions
Yeah... I'm not sure people realize
that trades are a two-way street…. we have candidates we’re willing to give up but the other team has to accept them, and if they’re not something they need (apparently WAS needed a low-level utility man), then they’re not going to make the trade.
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by snakecharmer on Jul 30, 2011 6:06 PM EDT up reply actions
ha. The point here isn’t that I think we should’ve aimed for some high price tag FA, but that we should’ve passed altogether. Marquis is basically Saunders light. Is it worth it to pay Saunders light $2.5M for approximately 10 starts? I don’t think so.
"Baseball fans are junkies, and their heroin is the statistic." Robert S. Wieder
Right now, anyone displaying any Saunders' like ability
is going to grab my attention. Frankly, if we had a pitching staff made up entirely of Joe Saunders, from number one right throw the last guy in the bullpen, I’d say we’d be in pretty good shape. But okay, I know you didn’t mean it as a compliment for Joe S.
Pitchers generally play better and over themselves in pennant races. It might have something to do with motivation.
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by NASCARbernet on Jul 30, 2011 6:20 PM EDT up reply actions
The raw building blocks are there
a good fastball, strong two seamer, pennant and post season experience, all for a minor leaguer? No brainer. If he burns up some innings, it was a good deal. If he wins six games over the next two months, a great deal.
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by NASCARbernet on Jul 30, 2011 6:28 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
+1000
And it improves the bullpen, by allowing a marginal starter (your pick) to be an effective reliever.
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As stated previously
It’s not a game changer. Are we better with marquis? Yes. Are we a lot better? No. But better nonetheless.
by sonic barracuda on Jul 30, 2011 6:09 PM EDT up reply actions
To me, it’s a pathetic little nod to the fan base to make them think we’re really going for it this year when we’re really not. As with Duke, Gallaraga, Mora, Blum, etc, I find these sorts of expensive nods to be an irritating way to waste our money.
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You should
switch to decaf, then
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Well
If you’re getting overly strung out over a minor move that may not be our last one before tomorrow, then SOMETHING might do some good.
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overly strung out? lol. alright, whatever you say.
i think you’re just reacting to the fact that i’m one of the few naysayers here. i’m not worked up about it.
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I'll admit
Maybe “Strung out” wasn’t the right phrase.
But “Pathetic Little Nod” is a tad harsh. Any game of chess needs a few extra pawns to be won.
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Taken by itself, it doesn’t bother me. Taken with KT’s history it becomes irritating. KT seems to think that a few million here, a few million there doesn’t make a difference, but he costs us the chance at legitimate difference makers with his collection of mediocrity.
"Baseball fans are junkies, and their heroin is the statistic." Robert S. Wieder
So you prefer the
save every dime you can and when the moment arrives go all in for one big shot in one season.
by sonic barracuda on Jul 30, 2011 6:20 PM EDT up reply actions
Generally, yes. Say what you want, but the Marlins are one of the most successful franchises in the past 15 years. And have one of the lowest payrolls.
"Baseball fans are junkies, and their heroin is the statistic." Robert S. Wieder
That's a legit argument
Not everyone will agree but for teams with salary restrictions that’s not necessarily a bad way to go.
by sonic barracuda on Jul 30, 2011 6:25 PM EDT up reply actions
Fair enough
I do think this is better, in a vacuum, than some of the other moves. Marquis has pitched decently, if not spectacularly, this season, and I’m a firm believer that rotational depth is something you should horde.
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I don't think you can include the word "spectacularly"
in Marquis’ pitching performances. Good? Okay. Spectacular? Mmmmm, no.
by sonic barracuda on Jul 30, 2011 6:30 PM EDT up reply actions
Erm
Meant to say *but instead of *if there.
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I'll buy that, haha
You were making me wonder.
by sonic barracuda on Jul 30, 2011 6:31 PM EDT up reply actions
I knew what I MEANT
But sometimes the words on the keyboard get all confused and zorked.
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Dragon needs to perfect their digital voice technology
so we can stop typing.
by sonic barracuda on Jul 30, 2011 6:33 PM EDT up reply actions
I’m confused that 1.45 WHIP means that that sub 4 ERA ain’t gonna last long. xFIP isn’t too down on him, though. So maybe not.
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He's always had a pretty high WHIP
And I must confess I’ve never been enamored with him. When I would look at an upcoming matchup and he was the opposing pitcher, I never thought, “Oh, no! it’s Marquis.” So we’ll see what he brings us. The thing it does specifically as has been mentioned elsewhere is it’s a roundabout way to improve the front half of the bullpen, which clearly needs help.
by sonic barracuda on Jul 30, 2011 7:09 PM EDT up reply actions
Ground ball guys like Marquis
Generally have higher WHIPs. Grounders get through a hole for singles more often, but can also be GIDPs and are rarely extra-base hits.
Another reason why WHIP is very inaccurate.
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by Dan Strittmatter on Jul 31, 2011 12:50 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
"inaccurate"?
WHIP can’t be “inaccurate”. It’s simply a ratio of walks and hits to innings pitched. ;-)
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And so you think they should do what?
by sonic barracuda on Jul 30, 2011 6:15 PM EDT up reply actions
I don't necessarily disagree with that
But it didn’t cost much and there is always the outside chance he wins a couple of key games and the team gets hot. It’s not a total lock the Giants will win the division yet. I don’t see the harm in this move.
by sonic barracuda on Jul 30, 2011 6:18 PM EDT up reply actions
ok. to me, if we’re going to try to make a move i’d rather see us make a move that would represent a significant betterment of the team, say Rafael Furcal or Aramis Ramirez. Now, neither may be available at the right price, so my point may be moot. But I see those as better upgrades than Marquis.
"Baseball fans are junkies, and their heroin is the statistic." Robert S. Wieder
Your arguments have merit
but you at least have to admit there are arguments that Marquis could mean as much as either of them. We’re getting into a matter of opinion on who is worth more to the team at this moment.
by sonic barracuda on Jul 30, 2011 6:22 PM EDT up reply actions
How about Derrick Lee, that we’ve been rumored to be interested in….
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there really wasn't much out there without giving up good prospects
Marquis is better than Duke or Micah Owings and he will save the bullpen. This also allows them to move Collmenter to the pen and call up Miley or Corbin.
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More likely they move Micah to the pen
by sonic barracuda on Jul 30, 2011 6:11 PM EDT up reply actions
that's a given
but if Collmenter starts to struggle
"When I get sad, I stop getting sad and be AWESOME instead. TRUE STORY."
If anyone starts to struggle
I have my eye on Daniel Hudson, actually. He’s underperforming in my view given his level of talent.
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by NASCARbernet on Jul 30, 2011 6:23 PM EDT up reply actions
And yet,
Hudson “underperforming in your view” (which means you have reeeally high expectations, because he’s been great this year) still makes him our second best pitcher. So don’t worry.
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We were contenders, now throwin' the fight
I just wanna believe, I just wanna believe in us."
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by Jdub220 on Jul 30, 2011 10:04 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
he is underperforming a little given his stuff though
in my opinion as well
his stuff is wicked good at times. so i’m more inclined to believe that while some of his ERA is probably attributable to luck, a part of it is probably also attributable to command
by blue bulldog on Jul 31, 2011 6:19 AM EDT up reply actions
Part if the trade-off of throwing strikes constantly
And not walking guys is that you’ll get more contact and fewer strikeouts. There’s a reason Z-Swing and O-Swing rates are so different. That’s all Hudson’s K drop is – more strikes.
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by Dan Strittmatter on Jul 31, 2011 12:43 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
I think they'll leave Collmenter where he is
by sonic barracuda on Jul 30, 2011 6:11 PM EDT up reply actions
Same here, but if he starts giving up six runs a game over two or three starts, then yeah
move him. But if ANYBODY in the rotation starts giving up six runs a game over two or three starts in a pennant race, then serious consideration should be made regarding that pitcher’s ability to perform in this pennant race.
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Caesar Augustus
by NASCARbernet on Jul 30, 2011 6:24 PM EDT up reply actions
I don't mind
Considering the lack of price, and our rotational depth gets better. It has a good beat and I can dance to it, I give it 4 stars.
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***** considering
that KT did it.
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Pujols
For Esmerling Vasquez and Tony Abreu. That’s totally fair.
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If we throw in Gallaraga
we’d have to throw in Parker too.
by sonic barracuda on Jul 30, 2011 6:23 PM EDT up reply actions
Armando Galarraga
Too many L’s, too many G’s, but not enough R’s when typed on the Snakepit ;)
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I wouldn't mind trading Galarraga
for a bowl of fresh chips and some guacamole.
"I found Rome a city of bricks and left it a city of marble."
Caesar Augustus
by NASCARbernet on Jul 30, 2011 6:26 PM EDT up reply actions
You're providing the chips and guac right?
by sonic barracuda on Jul 30, 2011 6:28 PM EDT up reply actions
No!
the trade terms are clear. We give up Galarraga in EXCHANGE for a bowl of FRESH chips and guacamole. I will not budge on this.
"I found Rome a city of bricks and left it a city of marble."
Caesar Augustus
by NASCARbernet on Jul 30, 2011 6:29 PM EDT up reply actions
I dunno
If I would trust St. Louis’ “Chips and Guac” scouting department, though.
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You're telling me
that Galarraga is worth more than a bowl of fresh chips AND guacamole? I think you’re in the minority here at The Snake Pit…
"I found Rome a city of bricks and left it a city of marble."
Caesar Augustus
by NASCARbernet on Jul 30, 2011 6:31 PM EDT up reply actions
Okay, let's get the trade terms straight
we have a certain Armando Galarraga someplace under contract. St. Louis has to have a Mexican restaurant someplace. We will give up our Armando Galarraga in exchange for St. Louis Mexican restaurant FRESH chips and guacamole. Got it?
"I found Rome a city of bricks and left it a city of marble."
Caesar Augustus
by NASCARbernet on Jul 30, 2011 6:35 PM EDT up reply actions
Cool.
"I found Rome a city of bricks and left it a city of marble."
Caesar Augustus
by NASCARbernet on Jul 30, 2011 6:37 PM EDT up reply actions
I think the problem in this trade is the line
St. Louis has to have a Mexican restaurant someplace.
Yes. It’s called “Taco Bell”… :-)
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by Jim McLennan on Jul 30, 2011 6:37 PM EDT up reply actions
My, you're picky
its Galarraga we’re talking about.
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Caesar Augustus
by NASCARbernet on Jul 30, 2011 6:38 PM EDT up reply actions
They might
Have a Rubio’s or two
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My point all along was
St. Louis ain’t doing it. They’re going to pass.
by sonic barracuda on Jul 30, 2011 6:43 PM EDT up reply actions
But, but, but
near perfect! Fabulous character! What could go wrong?
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by NASCARbernet on Jul 30, 2011 6:45 PM EDT up reply actions
Well now I'm hungry, thanks....
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by snakecharmer on Jul 30, 2011 8:28 PM EDT up reply actions
Twitter from Gilbert: Alberto Castillo to DL, Ryan Cook recalled
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I like seeing Cook get another shot
He got put into a tough spot right out of the chute and it kind of overwhelmed him. Hopefully they’ll find a softer spot for him to get his feet wet.
by sonic barracuda on Jul 30, 2011 7:12 PM EDT up reply actions
But then again
Pennant races don’t offer a lot of soft spots.
by sonic barracuda on Jul 30, 2011 7:14 PM EDT up reply actions
He's not ready for three levels yet
"I found Rome a city of bricks and left it a city of marble."
Caesar Augustus
by NASCARbernet on Jul 31, 2011 11:23 AM EDT up reply actions
The dreaded "left shoulder tendinitis"
Daron "...the D. Baxter fan-club"
Mark: "A non-profit organization."
by Jim McLennan on Jul 30, 2011 7:24 PM EDT up reply actions
I wonder if that's the only bullpen move we make
"When I get sad, I stop getting sad and be AWESOME instead. TRUE STORY."
Still doesn't tell us
the move we make to bring on Marquis… need one more move.
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by snakecharmer on Jul 30, 2011 8:28 PM EDT up reply actions
don’t have to officially make a move for that until he reports
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Oh I know
but my guess was we move Castillo. Now, we need another move…. do we send Cook right back down?
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by snakecharmer on Jul 30, 2011 8:31 PM EDT up reply actions
I'm betting Duke.
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by Dan Strittmatter on Jul 31, 2011 3:14 AM EDT up reply actions
going to the game tonight with my dad
Dbacks are 11-2 when I go and see them
"When I get sad, I stop getting sad and be AWESOME instead. TRUE STORY."
granted most of that
is from the 01-02 season
"When I get sad, I stop getting sad and be AWESOME instead. TRUE STORY."
Nice.
Wish I had kept track of that stat for myself.
We had season tickets from 98-01 probably saw close to 250 games back then. Probably been to 50 games since, and 0 this year :(
by Brian MacKinney on Jul 30, 2011 8:18 PM EDT up reply actions
Ubaldo is with the Tribe!!!!!!
shocking! not sure how I feel about this though
"When I get sad, I stop getting sad and be AWESOME instead. TRUE STORY."
*If* it all pans out
If both those arms don’t turn into top of the rotation guys…
Daron "...the D. Baxter fan-club"
Mark: "A non-profit organization."
by Jim McLennan on Jul 30, 2011 8:13 PM EDT up reply actions
My heart would positively bleed for them
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From laughing so hard?
"Never ignore a coincidence. Unless you're busy, in which case always ignore a coincidence."
Oh yes
Which would be indicative of far FAR worse medical problems, but it’s TOTALLY WORTH IT!
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I don't get it
How are you Colorado and think “yeah, I’ll trade my best pitcher, someone who has miraculously become an ace in this cold-weather climate… and just get pitchers in return, continuing to test our luck by throwing these guys’ elbows into the frozen Rockies.”
I don’t get how you make that move without asking for Kipnis.
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by Dan Strittmatter on Jul 31, 2011 3:16 AM EDT up reply actions
+1
They should have gotten Kipnis and Pomeranz instead of White and Pomeranz
I feel like Cleveland would probably prefer keeping White instead of Kipnis anyway…considering how long they let him languish in AAA
by blue bulldog on Jul 31, 2011 6:20 AM EDT up reply actions
Well
He’s still under contract for a few years, no? So the Tribe get more than a rental out of him
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And
The Yankees whiff again on getting a pitcher… again, so there’s a lot of good here.
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2013 I think I saw
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by snakecharmer on Jul 30, 2011 8:29 PM EDT up reply actions
Jimenez starting for Colorado tonight…so deal isn’t official yet
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I was gonna say,
someone said he’s still warming in the ’pen…
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by snakecharmer on Jul 30, 2011 8:32 PM EDT up reply actions
Top of the 1st in SD
0 outs… so, 3 outs to decide whether to pull him…….. no word on anybody else warming up.
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by snakecharmer on Jul 30, 2011 8:39 PM EDT up reply actions
He's not with them yet
He’s pitching in the Rockies game right now
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by Rockkstarr12 on Jul 30, 2011 8:45 PM EDT up reply actions
That is quite a haul
But there are a few lingering questions regarding Pomeranz. He got hit around in the futures game. Could still be a TOR guy but not a lock.
by sonic barracuda on Jul 30, 2011 8:13 PM EDT reply actions
I don't really think
Pomeranz and White are TOR guys
it amazes me how quick scouts fall in love with some guys who just never pitch to the ability their “stuff” would indicate.
they probably will end up as MOR guys, but that’s still a decent haul for the Rockies. and they needed it. they definitely sold high on Ubaldo, who is a risk they can’t afford to take imo
by blue bulldog on Jul 30, 2011 8:59 PM EDT up reply actions
#2 guys
They’re not projecting most likely outcome, they’re projecting best-case scenario outcome based on what’s presently there. It would be pretty stupid if every prospect in the game “projected” somewhere between a #3 and a swingman…
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by Dan Strittmatter on Jul 31, 2011 3:17 AM EDT up reply actions
yes scouts project Pomeranz and White as #2 starters
but that’s just because scouts think they have two plus pitches. which, i’m not sure is even true. what are Pomeranz’s two plus pitches? i don’t know enough about White to comment on his stuff.
and i just hate the whole rigid mentality that two-plus pitches = #2 projection mentality. it’s really misleading to the masses, who don’t understand why the scouts project a #2 starter upside, as opposed to a #3 starter upside or a #1 starter upside.
by blue bulldog on Jul 31, 2011 6:24 AM EDT up reply actions
Pomeranz
Has the second-best lefty FB/CB combo in the minors, behind Matt Moore. Yes, better than Skaggs. Don’t know a ton about White, either.
I dunno, it makes sense to me. Not something I’d go ballistic over.
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by Dan Strittmatter on Jul 31, 2011 12:37 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
Nobody is really up or down on anybody
Based on one inning in the Future’s Game…
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by Dan Strittmatter on Jul 31, 2011 12:39 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
Jimenez pulled from the Rockies game
Deal’s done.
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Yes, now it's official :'(
I hate Dan O’Dowd!
"I didn't mean to hit the umpire with the dirt, but I did mean to hit that bastard in the stands." -Babe Ruth
its ok trade because its an upgrade over galargagaraga
porty99
by porty99 on Jul 30, 2011 9:26 PM EDT via mobile reply actions
What?
"I didn't mean to hit the umpire with the dirt, but I did mean to hit that bastard in the stands." -Babe Ruth
by Rockkstarr12 on Jul 30, 2011 9:34 PM EDT up reply actions
Oh ok
"I didn't mean to hit the umpire with the dirt, but I did mean to hit that bastard in the stands." -Babe Ruth
by Rockkstarr12 on Jul 31, 2011 2:11 AM EDT up reply actions
Zach Walters is a pretty darn good hitter for a SS
He’s 8th in the midwest league in OPS, (.861) and has a 140 RC+
Did I mention he’s a shortstop ?
I find it hard to believe Marquis is going to be the difference between making the playoffs or not. Walters may not have been ranked in our top 10 prospects, but all he’s done since being draft is hit.
Dan Uggla says hello
The worst major leaguer is better at baseball than I'll ever be at anything I ever do in my life.
Not that worried
It seems to be agreed that Walters doesn’t have the range to play SS in the Majors. He’s been playing a lot of 2B and 3B this year, along with 17 Games at DH. Even with the lack of range, he has made 40 errors in his first 160 pro games.
He has hit well, but he strikes out way too much for a non-power hitter – 96K in 361 AB.
Uggla had an .880 OPS in AA; Walters is only in Low A ball, and is a college player playing with a lot of younger kids. Hopefully he won’t come back to haunt us.
Walters is younger for his levels than Uggla
His performance far exceeded Uggla’s at the same level, which he’s played a year younger,
And Walters has a lot of extra base hits (42 in 361 at bats) and an ISO of .183
I think you are underselling his power potential and making him sound like a guy who is very old for his level.
I realize defensively he’s probably destined fr 2b or 3b, but his bat is better than you think, IMO
The worst major leaguer is better at baseball than I'll ever be at anything I ever do in my life.
Zach Walters is no shortstop
Watched him up close and personal about five times when I was still at school – that glove will play well at second base or third base, but his range isn’t sufficient for short. He’s got holes in his swing, and in spite of the nice pop, no tool really stands out. Best case scenario is his bat exceeds all expectations and he becomes Kelly Johnson-lite. Utility guy.
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by Dan Strittmatter on Jul 31, 2011 3:19 AM EDT up reply actions
+1
ditto on the strikeout rate. not exactly young for the Midwest League (though can’t really say he’s that old for the league either). and the fact that he probably can’t stick at SS for defense means this is a third-tier prospect.
by blue bulldog on Jul 31, 2011 6:25 AM EDT up reply actions
What is the logic in trading away a SS, when that is our weakest area depth wise?
(AFAIK anyway, I don’t follow the minor league system like IHSB, Blue Bulldog or Wes.)
FWIW, a freind of mine knew Marquis in college. His sister (or some female) was a roomate of my friends friend. My friend told me that Marquis is a total asshole and has major entitlement issues. I am not sure we want that in our clubhouse.
(inb4 old joke, no not the shadow).
Per Mare, Per Terras
Marquis was drafted out of high school
And started in the Minors right away at age 17. I don’t think he even went to college.
Ok, maybe it was high school then.
Or a friend that was in college. I dunno. I am not making it up.
Per Mare, Per Terras
How many big-time athletes weren't total assholes in high school?
I’m not going to be freaked out about a 15-year-old makeup concern.
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by Dan Strittmatter on Jul 31, 2011 3:22 AM EDT up reply actions
I actually regret putting that in.
I apologize. The main purpose of my post was to get an answer to my question. I looked into it myself. Thanks.
Per Mare, Per Terras
No need to apologize to me.
I get the concern – this clubhouse has been excellent, and for those who believe that’s been a key to our success, it’d be important to look into.
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by Dan Strittmatter on Jul 31, 2011 3:32 AM EDT up reply actions
I was scared half to death when the move was first announced
And I didn’t know who was going back to the Nats. With all the talk of “trading from the strengths in the system,” I couldn’t help but fear a Borchering-for-Marquis disaster trade. As soon as that crisis was averted (I honestly should never have expected such an awful trade to be made), I started to warm up to this.
1) It’s nice to see that we’re willing to take on extra salary in lieu of paying a higher prospect price. Considering our low payroll this year (imagine how much lower it’d be without the dead weight we’ve acquired…), another $2.7MM down the stretch isn’t going to kill us.
2) I do like Walters as a prospect. He has a nice swing with no major absurd timing movements or hitches to it, and can hit for some impressive power given his size and position. However, his bat has holes, and I doubt he’d ever hit enough to be an everyday second baseman (or third baseman, if we didn’t already have a million of them). Add in the fact that he doesn’t have nearly enough range for an everyday shortstop gig, and he’s an infield tweener, something more commonly referred to as a utility infielder.
3) I think the pseudo-emergence of David Nick helped us depart with Walters. Those two were the contenders for the best second base prospect in the system, and with Nick hitting well at Hi-A despite being the same age as Walters, it seemed obvious which one was expendable.
4) Walters wasn’t a top-30 prospect for us, in my opinion. I do think he was a top-15 position player in the system (i.e. most of the reason he’s not in the top-30 is excellent system pitching depth), but I don’t see him as a C+ type prospect (Sickels mentioned the possibility that he could earn that grade). He simply didn’t have the upside of many of the other bats and arms I have ranked ahead of him. I think he’d have probably gone right in front of Mike Belfiore for me, around #36, including 2011 draft picks.
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by Dan Strittmatter on Jul 31, 2011 3:33 AM EDT reply actions
this pretty much sums it up
i’d add that i like how this tricks the masses into thinking that we are making an effort at competing, without actually having to give up anything in terms of prospects, or be committed to a lot of money for a long time
by blue bulldog on Jul 31, 2011 6:28 AM EDT up reply actions
And it does improve the bullpen,
no trick involved.
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I am OK with the trade
Because it appears the price is low, and I am terrified Towers is going to give up Bauer, Parker, Skaggs, and Miley for a couple of washed up veterans for the “stretch drive”. And I agree with most of the posts above – Marquis should be an upgrade over Owings/Collmenter, and allow us to put one/both of those guys in the pen. I don’t think it is unreasonable that we might get an extra win or maybe even two out of this trade (compared to pre-trade).
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