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Diamondbacks Farm Round-Up 7/26: Padres Lose Edition

Man, a lot of people are really getting into the Dominican Summer League.  There's a full-on game recap of the DSL Diamondbacks' game against the DSL Padres on the front page of the 'Pit - this is great!  What's that?  The Arizona Diamondbacks beat the San Diego Padres?  What's that again?  This isn't funny, clever, or witty in the slightest and I should stop writing these Farm Round-Up intros at 12:21 a.m.?  Fair enough...

Snakelet of the Day:

Paul Goldschmidt (Double-A): 1-2, HR, 3 R, 3 RBI, 3 BB

Star-divide

Triple-A: Reno 10, Las Vegas 5.  (62-41)  After an all-around awful performance on Monday, the Aces showed up in a big way on Tuesday, demonstrating that their offense might be down without the AAAA-All-Stars, but it certainly isn't out.  Juan Miranda whacked a first-inning grand slam, and Robby Hammock added a three-run shot in the third to give Reno a lead they wouldn't give up.  Cole Gillespie and Mark Hallberg added doubles to the offensive effort, and even lefty Zach Kroenke couldn't squander away this lead.  Don't get me wrong, Kroenke was horrible once again, posting a 1:5 K:BB ratio in five innings of work and allowing five earned runs, but Reno's bullpen tandem of Randy Hamrick, Jordan Norberto, and Kam Mickolio shut the door.

For Hamrick, this was his third straight scoreless appearance for Reno since being called up from Yakima because the Aces needed an extra reliever, posting a 3:1 K:BB ratio in 4.2 innings - even in such a small sample, how he's pulling this off is beyond me considering his 5.74 ERA as a starter for the Bears.  Norberto struck out three in 1.2 innings of shutdown relief to lower his ERA to 4.25, and the still-24-year-old reliever shouldn't be counted out - although the progress in control appears minimal, he's striking out well over a batter per inning and has time to iron out the kinks.  Meanwhile, Mickolio's ERA now sits at an impressive 3.94 mark with the Triple-A club this year.

Double-A: Mobile 14, Mississippi 6.  (61-40)  This game was a no-doubter early, as Mobile was up 11-2 by the middle of the third inning.  The Big Four were plenty busy: leadoff man Adam Eaton went 2-5 with one of his signature hit-by-pitches, A.J. Pollock doubled and walked in his six plate appearances, and Ryan Wheeler went 2-6 with a double.  Best of all, however, was the Double-A baseball monster that is Paul Goldschmidt.  Paul went 1-2 with a two-run first-inning homer off of Braves' right-handed elite pitching prospect Randall Delgado - who was out of the game after giving up 10 runs, six earned, in just 2.2 innings due to six hits, four walks, and a HBP - and three walks.  The guy is going to be just fine.

Speaking of going to be just fine, lefty Tyler Skaggs got the start for the BayBears and turned in his best Double-A outing, throwing six innings and allowing just a single unearned run, striking out six and walking one with a 7:2 GO:AO ratio.  Not a bad outing at the Double-A level for someone who just had his 20th birthday two weeks ago.  A trio of relievers - Kyler Newby, Yonata Ortega, and Jose Ellis - each allowed an earned run in their single innings of work, with Ortega also allowing a pair of unearned runs for good measure.

Hi-A:  Off-day for the Rawhide, who resume action Wednesday.

Low-A: The Silver Hawks also had a day off on Tuesday.

Short-Season-A: Yakima 3, Tri-City 6.  (13-26)  Kerry Jenkins, Carter Bell, and Steven Rodriguez had two-hit games, with Jenkins adding a double, while Marc Bourgeois singled and walked to lead the offense.  However, the bats arrived too late, as a great starting pitching effort from Tri-City's Tyler Gagnon and a so-so effort from Yakima starter Alex Capaul put the Bears in an early hole.  Capaul didn't walk or strike out a single batter in six innings, but gave up three runs on seven hits before being chased, and relieve Adam Osteen gave up three runs while recording just two outs, putting the game well out of reach.

Advanced-Rookie: Missoula 4, Idaho Falls 3.  (23-12)  Starter Dexter Price was roughed up a little, serving up a three-run homer in the fifth inning, his last inning of work.  Price struck out just one, but didn't walk anybody and only allowed those three runs.  Reliever Raymond Hernandez came on and dominated in relief, striking out four in three perfect innings.  Think there's some pitching skill in that family?  Even with the impressive performance on the mound, Missoula went into the bottom of the ninth down 3-1, but strung together four singles and a RBOE to stage a comeback and walk it off.  Eric Groff doubled for the Osprey, while Ty Linton flashed his combination of power and speed by whacking a triple.

Low-Rookie: Another off-day in the system.

DSL: D-backs 6, Padres 3.  (19-30)  Another much-anticipated essentially-neglected game in the DSL saw 19-year-old right-hander Juan Valdez turn in a solid outing, striking out nine allowing two runs in five innings on six hits and three walks.  The outing raised Valdez's ERA for the DSL D-backs to 2.90 on the year in 49.2 innings, with a mighty-impressive 51:17 K:BB ratio.  The slight 6'1", 160-pound (according to his MiLB page) likely has plenty of room for projection, and is even young enough to add a few inches onto his frame, though I have little else to go by with Valdez in terms of scouting reports.

The awesomely-named Jose Jose struck out one in his two scoreless innings of relief, and I'm beginning to wonder why Jose's 1.73 ERA and 31:13 K:BB ratio in 26 innings have yet to at least earn him a chance to get some state-side exposure.  Having recently turned 21-years-old, the power-armed lefty is never going to be young for his league, but that doesn't change his substantial upside.  Samuel Valdez collected a double and three walks to lead the DSL bats, while Jesse Liriano tripled and Wilmer Santana had two singles and a walk.

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So how much longer

do we put up with the Brandon Juan Xavier Miranda Allen Nady fiasco at first base? Miranda can’t hit big league pitching, Nady is a singles hitter in the post-steroids era (and a below average one at that) and Allen can’t hit big-league pitching (something we already knew.)

by sonic barracuda on Jul 27, 2011 12:16 PM EDT up reply actions  

There's no hurry.

Goldschmidt probably needs a AAA year (something we didn’t do with Reynolds) and there’s no way he helps in a division race. He should have had that AAA year this year but we had the darn Nady/Allen/Miranda saga.

The question is whether they can stifle the urge to bring him up next spring.

Even "Out of the Park" Wagner Mateo K's a ton.

by Reynolds rapper on Jul 27, 2011 2:11 PM EDT up reply actions  

Well...

he certainly doesn’t need a year.

HEY, FRENCHY! STAR TREK OR STAR WARS?

by DbacksSkins on Jul 27, 2011 3:02 PM EDT up reply actions  

If you want Goldschmidt spelled with a "K" then bring him up

he could probably do .260-280 MLB with 20-25 HR. But he would put up a Reynoldsian amount of K’s. So the conversation would then go to “Let’s trade Goldschmidt for Coffey and Jo-Jo Reyes”.

I just think he should get some approximation of weak big league pitching 1st.

Even "Out of the Park" Wagner Mateo K's a ton.

by Reynolds rapper on Jul 27, 2011 3:41 PM EDT up reply actions  

Such an absurd argument...

One guy with ridiculous strikeout tendencies comes up straight from Double-A and people all of a sudden think it irrepairably (sp?) ruins prospects. Just like it ruined Justin Upton, Mike Stanton, and Jason Heyward, to give three quick examples.

Triple-A is becoming less and less necessary for development.

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by Dan Strittmatter on Jul 27, 2011 4:41 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions  

Why

would he have been at AAA this year? The jump from High-A to Double-A is almost universally seen as the hardest, especially when it’s a hitter transitioning from the Cal League to the Southern League.

And Goldschmidt wasn’t hitting THIS well last year. If he HAD been, it’d be more likely, but I still don’t like the idea of skipping the SL.

HEY, FRENCHY! STAR TREK OR STAR WARS?

by DbacksSkins on Jul 27, 2011 3:03 PM EDT up reply actions  

He's 24 Years Old!!

What the heck are they waiting for? He has 30 home runs in July in a pitcher’s league! All the top pitching prospects are in AA. The pitcher he hit his HR against last night is one of the Braves top prospects and a right hander. He’s also shown he can deal with his mini-slump as he’s now killing the ball again. Half of his hits are for extra bases.
Instead we have to sit and watch Allen go 0 for 4 every night with the occasional “look what I found” homer or Nady’s occasional clutch hit which buys him another 3 weeks in the show. In the meantime Goldschmidt can be a possible game-changer. And the longer you wait to bring him up the greater the pressure on him to perform. He could have been up here for the last month getting acclimated, learning pitchers and pitch sequences and done every bit as much as Allen and Nady. And then he’d truly be ready for the stretch run. But NOOOOOO. We have to suffer through the 1B fiasco night after night. It boggles my mind.

by sonic barracuda on Jul 27, 2011 3:25 PM EDT up reply actions  

I meant

coming into the season. And I agree on Nady, though not on Allen.

But I think the reason he hasn’t been called up yet is because the FO wants to make darned sure that Allen doesn’t have a future with this franchise. He’s never been given really consistent PT in the bigs. If we end up dealing Allen and he turns into a league-average everyday 1B for some team that took a flier on him, we’re gonna be kicking ourselves.

Goldschmidt almost certainly doesn’t do much for us this year, anyway. There’s no reason to rush him.

HEY, FRENCHY! STAR TREK OR STAR WARS?

by DbacksSkins on Jul 27, 2011 3:36 PM EDT up reply actions  

I myself argued in favor of Allen

being given his final shot. At the time I said give him 3 weeks, no more. Other argued it should be longer. But how much longer do we tolerate a .125 BA. I watch his at bats. He’s clearly overmatched. He swings and misses the ball by a mile routinely. If he was at least dinking and dunking around the Mendoza line and hitting the ball right at people once in a while, then okay, maybe you stick with him. But it doesn’t take a genius to see he’s not good enough.
And I disagree completely with the idea that Goldie can’t help us this year. That would be the whole argument for making the move, that he CAN help us. If he can’t help us then you might as well unload him to some unsuspecting fool of a club that will play him. The Orioles will take him and be glad when he posts a similar .813 OPS as Reynolds.

by sonic barracuda on Jul 27, 2011 3:50 PM EDT up reply actions  

Dude has

a .083 BABIP this season through 28 plate appearances, and you wanna give up on him? MLB average is .293.

We tolerate a .125 BA until we have more than 30 plate appearances, at least. You can’t give up on a guy whose freaking BA is higher than his BABIP.

And I said that Goldschmidt doesn’t help us much THIS YEAR. We have 59 games left, the Giants have a 3 game lead, and they’re the better team. Do you think Goldschmidt personally posts a full 1 or 2 WAR over his first 60 games in the majors??

Just because a guy can’t help you much immediately doesn’t mean you trade him. That’s the worst kind of short-sighted thinking. It’s not as if this is our last chance forever to win a title. The team will almost certainly be better next year.

HEY, FRENCHY! STAR TREK OR STAR WARS?

by DbacksSkins on Jul 27, 2011 4:12 PM EDT up reply actions  

This

So so so many times this. In what universe has Allen been over-matched? How is a kid just up from Double-A with do-so scouting reports going to play like Albert Pujols in his first two months in the bigs? Who truly believes and sees any good argument for us catching San Fran post-Beltran?

Too little to gain with Goldschmidt coming up now.

Founder and Chairman of the Hire A Body Double For David Hernandez's Right Arm Commission. A non-profit organization.

by Dan Strittmatter on Jul 27, 2011 4:34 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions  

+1

at this point, it’s better to let Goldschmidt become a starter in spring.

it all depends on when the cutoff for a year of qualification is. we can call him up, when we can guarantee we have club control of him between 2012-2017.

by blue bulldog on Jul 27, 2011 6:40 PM EDT up reply actions  

You can tout all the stats you want

but he couldn’t hit big league pitching last year and he can’t hit it this year. Those aren’t line drives he’s hitting right at guys. He’s striking out at a 37% clip, almost exactly the same as last year. It’s not a stretch of the imagination to think that Goldie can do that.

by sonic barracuda on Jul 27, 2011 4:36 PM EDT up reply actions  

We have a 200 AB sample size on Allen

How many more do you need. Projects to about 15 homers,60-70 RBI, 200Ks, .200 avg. I have never said I expect Pujols or anything remotely close to that. Will he improve on that? maybe. History suggests otherwise. I am expecting something better than those projections though. Aren’t you?

by sonic barracuda on Jul 27, 2011 4:42 PM EDT up reply actions  

2 players:

Player A:
104 ABs, .669 OPS, 72 OPS+, 65 wRC+ his first season in the majors
45 ABs, .793 OPS, 112 OPS+, 111 wRC+ his second season in the majors

Player B:
140 ABs, .647 OPS, 62 OPS+, 55 wRC+ his first season in the majors
356 ABs, .816 OPS, 109 OPS+, 103 wRC+ his second season in the majors

Which one is Brandon Allen? Which one is Justin Upton? And did you judge him based on his first 173 ABs?

HEY, FRENCHY! STAR TREK OR STAR WARS?

by DbacksSkins on Jul 27, 2011 4:53 PM EDT up reply actions  

Of course.

And I’m not saying Brandon Allen is Justin Upton, either.

But what I AM saying is that you can’t judge a guy based on his first 173 major league ABs, especially when they come over 3 seasons, and when he’s only 25, 4 years younger than league average.

HEY, FRENCHY! STAR TREK OR STAR WARS?

by DbacksSkins on Jul 27, 2011 5:10 PM EDT up reply actions  

And

he posted a .793 OPS in limited time last year. That’s a 112 OPS+ and a 111 wRC+. That’s not exactly “not able to hit” material. His OBP last year was .393.

If you “personally argued in favor of Allen” this year, how does a 9 game sample change that??

HEY, FRENCHY! STAR TREK OR STAR WARS?

by DbacksSkins on Jul 27, 2011 4:43 PM EDT up reply actions  

I hear you

I want to patient, I really do. But it’s frustrating to watch the collar day after day and the ks day after day while knowing we might have something special waiting in the wings.

by sonic barracuda on Jul 27, 2011 4:44 PM EDT up reply actions  

And

you don’t think that “something special” will take any time to adjust?

I actually almost wonder whether Allen has been hurt by spending so much time in AAA. In the Majors, you don’t get to tee off on lousy fastballs and mediocre breaking stuff nearly as often.

HEY, FRENCHY! STAR TREK OR STAR WARS?

by DbacksSkins on Jul 27, 2011 4:58 PM EDT up reply actions  

Allen's numbers

climbing the ladder do not compare to Goldie’s. They’re good but still a notch below Goldie’s.

by sonic barracuda on Jul 27, 2011 5:07 PM EDT up reply actions  

Of course not.

But an .882 OPS in the Southern League isn’t anything to sneeze at, either. And Allen put up a .973 over his first taste of AA.

The only other league they’ve both played is the Pioneer League, and Goldy’s 1.045 is better than Allen’s .838, but Goldy was also 2 years older.

HEY, FRENCHY! STAR TREK OR STAR WARS?

by DbacksSkins on Jul 27, 2011 5:16 PM EDT up reply actions  

I'm sure it will take time to adjust

that’s why I’m arguing that it might have been nice for him to have been adjusting in July as his adjustment period would have ben no worse than what we’re already getting.

by sonic barracuda on Jul 27, 2011 5:08 PM EDT up reply actions  

That's

10 strikeouts.

You want to give up on him based on 10 strikeouts?

HEY, FRENCHY! STAR TREK OR STAR WARS?

by DbacksSkins on Jul 27, 2011 4:44 PM EDT up reply actions  

Then, like I said,

why’d you argue in favor of him 9 games ago?

HEY, FRENCHY! STAR TREK OR STAR WARS?

by DbacksSkins on Jul 27, 2011 4:55 PM EDT up reply actions  

For some of the same reasons as you

but a contributing factor was Goldie was hitting a mini-slump and it seemed a good time to give Allen another shot, who was playing well in Reno. And I am willing to wait a little longer, but Goldie’s coming out of his slump, Allen is in his own slump, and considering that Goldie really is the future at the position (maybe others disagree with that) I don’t see the point in waiting unless you’re just trying to get something for Allen.

by sonic barracuda on Jul 27, 2011 5:01 PM EDT up reply actions  

I think

Brandon Allen will give us more this year, at the big league level, than Paul Goldschmidt would, and isn’t that your primary concern?

I think Goldy is our 1B of the future, but Allen could either be trade bait or our LF of the future.

At the very least, we give Allen AT LEAST the 3 weeks you mentioned.

HEY, FRENCHY! STAR TREK OR STAR WARS?

by DbacksSkins on Jul 27, 2011 5:08 PM EDT up reply actions  

I also think you're misdirecting your ire here.

This team has room for both Allen and Goldschmidt. It doesn’t, however, have room for Allen, Goldschmidt, Miranda, Nady, Blum, Bloomquist, etc.

HEY, FRENCHY! STAR TREK OR STAR WARS?

by DbacksSkins on Jul 27, 2011 5:25 PM EDT up reply actions  

I'm inclined to agre with this

They seem afraid to put Goldie in a platoon as they want him playing every day I guess. But lots of guys platoon and he’d see plenty of at bats in a platoon. More finger pointing can be directed at Nady who we know KT has a man crush on. Is Nady a valuable locker-room guy that we’re not giving him credit for?

by sonic barracuda on Jul 27, 2011 5:31 PM EDT up reply actions  

If

by “locker room” you mean “mrssoco’s house”, then yes.

Platooning Allen and Goldschmidt wouldn’t be a bad idea to start. Allen sees the majority of the PT for now, but we can slowly transition towards Goldy most of the time.

HEY, FRENCHY! STAR TREK OR STAR WARS?

by DbacksSkins on Jul 27, 2011 5:36 PM EDT up reply actions  

Haha

I do like that plan. It would still give Allen more time and at bats against righties. Any ABs against lefties for him are almost a total waste.

by sonic barracuda on Jul 27, 2011 5:45 PM EDT up reply actions  

But he better not go

4 for 30 with 12 Ks on this road trip or I’ll never be talked into him. He needs to start doing something to say, “Hey, I deserve a chance to stick here.” His K totals throughout his career are way worse than Goldie’s and that’s what scares me more than anything.

by sonic barracuda on Jul 27, 2011 5:22 PM EDT up reply actions  

Ummmm, dude...

Take a quick peek at Goldschmidt’s 2010 strikeout total with the Rawhide… yeeeeeeeah.

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by Dan Strittmatter on Jul 27, 2011 6:12 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions  

Isn't

Miranda in the minors right now, and therefore, not playing in the bigs

DROOOOOOOOOOOOO!!! WHHYYYYYYYYY!!!!

by imstillhungry95 on Jul 27, 2011 3:32 PM EDT up reply actions  

Reno’s bullpen tandem of Randy Hamrick, Jordan Norberto, and Kam Mickolio shut the door.

I always feel odd when I read “tandem” followed by more than two objects.

HEY, FRENCHY! STAR TREK OR STAR WARS?

by DbacksSkins on Jul 27, 2011 1:34 PM EDT reply actions  

Hmmmmm...

Now that you mention it……

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by Dan Strittmatter on Jul 27, 2011 4:36 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions  

Goldy is ready,

i agree AAA is not needed, everyone down in AAA is hitting about .400.
When players are called up from Reno i look at their AA numbers, better prospects and better pitchers are down there, AAA is for players who couldn’t make it in the bigs (Burroughs, Allen, Ransom, Yhency, Abreu, Berroa, Miranda..) the list can go on and on just look at the roster!
I was pulling for Allen when he got the call again this year but he’s looking like one of those Minor League career players.. remember whitesell? I say we bring up Goldy in September or sooner he could be what we need.

by dbacksfann on Jul 27, 2011 4:55 PM EDT reply actions  

Josh Whitesell

also posted a career Triple-A OPS 30 points lower than Brandon Allen’s, even though he spent his age 26, 27, and 28 seasons in AAA, compared to Allen’s age 23, 24, and 25.

HEY, FRENCHY! STAR TREK OR STAR WARS?

by DbacksSkins on Jul 27, 2011 5:04 PM EDT up reply actions  

Goldschmidt isn't ready

If he were called up today, he’d probably struggle just as much as Anthony Rizzo did. There are definitely still flaws in his game.

Keep him in AA for now (yes, right now, the pitching talent in AA is a lot better than the pitching talent in AAA). Let him keep working on his game without the added pressure of a pennant race. Call him for a September tuneup if necessary, but look at him more as our 1B for the future beginning in 2012, as opposed to our savior this year.

Right now, i’d call it a tremendous success if Goldschmidt could be a 2-3 WAR 1B. Let’s not forget, this guy was a nobody when he was drafted, and he was still a nobody with gaudy stats up until spring training this year. He really isn’t all that special of a prospect. But I mean, you don’t really have to be all that special to be better than basically every 1B that’s played for us this past decade.

by blue bulldog on Jul 27, 2011 8:23 PM EDT up reply actions  

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