Stephen Drew Breaks Ankle, Season Over
by Jim McLennan on Jul 21, 2011 3:03 AM EDT
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A slightly-extended version of SnakeSounds this evening, as we discuss the implications of Stephen Drew's horrific injury this evening. As was already recorded, Drew broke his ankle sliding into home-plate during the fourth inning of this evening's contest against the Milwaukee Brewers at Chase. It was immediately obvious that this was a very serious incident, and the news was every bit as bad as expected - his 2011 season is basically over, with surgery likely. [Though we should remember that his was not the only broken bone suffered in tonight's bizarre contest] What does this mean for the Diamondbacks going forward?
The most likely replacement scenario has Willie Bloomquist becoming the everyday replacement at shortstop, and it seems probably that Cody Ransom will be brought up from Reno to take Drew's spot on the roster. Ransom - whom my fingers keep wanting to call Cody Random - was removed from the Aces game in the top of the fifth inning. He was raking there: in 91 games at Triple-A, he was hitting .330 with a team-leading 25 homeruns and 86 RBI. However, before we get too excited by this, I should mention that the resulting 1.060 OPS puts Ransom slightly below Sean Burroughs (1.067) and slightly above Robbie Hammock (1.038), among Aces hitters.
That said, be nice to have a local kid on the team - he was born in Mesa, and went to Chandler High School, before being picked by the Giants in the 1998 draft. Yeah, he's been around a bit: made his major-league debut in 2001, and has played parts of eight seasons with four different organizations. However, never more than 86 PAs in a single year, and his career line of .227/.311/.391 - an OPS+ of 82 - gives you some idea of roughly what to expect from the 35-year old. Yep: he's close to two years older than Bloomquist.
Drew started off the season on fire, but his output had gone downhill steadily: He hit .321 in April, with a .920 OPS, but in both May and June, he was hitting in the .240's, with an OPS just below .700. July had been unkinder still, even before this evening's disaster: he had managed a mere eight hits, hitting .174. He'll finish the year with a line of .252/.317/.396, which will actually be his lowest OPS since 2007. The injury probably also weakens the team's chances of trading Drew this winter, as had been suggested - 2012 is his last year under contract, before he and agent Scott Boras hit free-agency.
So, the loss of Drew, will obviously not helping the Diamondbacks' chances of winning the division, is probably not as devastating as it would have felt, had the injury happened in early May. Bloomquist and Ransom will likely not bat far off Drew's season average of .251, and he had only five home-runs (just one since June 11), so he wasn't much of a power threat this year. I think his defense might be missed as much as anything: Drew was quietly efficient, and had posted a positive UZR for this campaign and the two prior to it. That said, keeping Bloomquist out of RF is probably a good thing.
Right, on to the audio clippage from tonight's game. Understandably subdued, we have Kirk Gibson, Joe Saunders, Justin Upton, Willie Bloomquist and, before making his (fairly disastrous) debut tonight, Ryan Cook. Maybe Gibson can explain the decision to use his seventh-best reliever, a man with no major-league experience, in a tied game.
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Stephen Drew's season is over that is......
not the Diamondbacks
"When I get sad, I stop getting sad and be AWESOME instead. TRUE STORY."
Yeah, reading the headline
It could easily be taken either way.
I’ll get back to you in a month or so, as to whether or not you’re right…
Daron "...the D. Baxter fan-club"
Mark: "A non-profit organization."
by Jim McLennan on Jul 21, 2011 3:23 AM EDT up reply actions
Lets put it this way
The Giants losing Posey is worse than us losing Drew. It still is going to come down to our pitching.
"When I get sad, I stop getting sad and be AWESOME instead. TRUE STORY."
'deed
Worth noting that, since the start of May – 63 games – Drew had hit .230 with three HR. Really, losing that level of production shouldn’t be much of a problem offensively. As noted, the defense might be as much of a hit.
Daron "...the D. Baxter fan-club"
Mark: "A non-profit organization."
by Jim McLennan on Jul 21, 2011 3:39 AM EDT up reply actions
My first reaction was the loss on defense.
I mean, I know he was struggling offensively, but not that badly. How was he in the mix to be an allstar if that was his numbers since May? O.o
I hope for a speedy recovery for Drew. Bloomquist is now the starting SS….UGH! I hope KT doesn’t sell the farm to get a fill in SS….and I hope he doesn’t sign Khalil Greene….
Per Mare, Per Terras
That's my biggest concern
Despite the fact that The Worldwide Leader in Arizona Hating never talks about him, Drew is probably one of the better defensive SS in baseball. You can’t easily replace that
DROOOOOOOOOOOOO!!! WHHYYYYYYYYY!!!!
by imstillhungry95 on Jul 21, 2011 10:41 AM EDT up reply actions
The tragedy for Stephen
is as a shortstop, he relies on lateral quickness and speed and this injury will impact his speed and mobility after he returns. Just a shame all around.
"A plethora of pinatas..."
+1
cannot imagine that ankle injury being anything but a bad thing for his long-term status as a SS
by blue bulldog on Jul 21, 2011 4:15 AM EDT up reply actions
They won't rush him
And he has the entire off-season. Hopefully it’s not a long-term concern. At the very least, it won’t be for us, with Drew’s deal expiring after 2012, but I know that’s not what we’re talking about (we’re talking about it being unfortunate for Drew). At the very worst, he’s still a plus-bat second baseman – good player.
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by Dan Strittmatter on Jul 21, 2011 4:40 AM EDT up reply actions
I'm sure they won't rush him
I’m also sure he’ll rehab strong, but so much rides on the nature and extent of the injury and how he responds to the surgery. Just a shame all around.
"A plethora of pinatas..."
by NASCARbernet on Jul 21, 2011 6:06 PM EDT up reply actions
The trade part is interesting...
Since we will most likely be contending next year i’m not sure Towers would go that route. You take him off the team i doubt we’re a playoff team next season (unless Upton really ups his production and Bauer or Parker make big impacts right away). He’s the best defender on the team.
My guess is we let him walk after next season unless that mutual option is picked up.
what are you talking about?
"When I get sad, I stop getting sad and be AWESOME instead. TRUE STORY."
One presumes the part of the article
Where I said “The injury probably also weakens the team’s chances of trading Drew this winter, as had been suggested.”
Daron "...the D. Baxter fan-club"
Mark: "A non-profit organization."
by Jim McLennan on Jul 21, 2011 3:41 AM EDT up reply actions
well regardless now
the injury is going to tank Drew’s value. so there’s no way we trade him.
we definitely need to start looking into being sellers though. 4.5 games back and without your starting SS for the remainder of the season. our hopes were a bit bleak to start, but now i just don’t see it happening this year.
by blue bulldog on Jul 21, 2011 4:17 AM EDT up reply actions
Problem is,
who are we going to get to replace Drew? In this day and age, shortstops look like they were plucked from a trash heap… And Drew is one of the few who didn’t fit that description.
We could still improve in other areas to help lessen the severity of Drew’s injury, but this is very unfortunate. Much worse since it happened to our starting shortstop.
by CaptainCanuck on Jul 21, 2011 5:59 AM EDT up reply actions
Get better soon Drew.
Lifelong Arizona Cardinals/Phoenix Suns/Chicago Bears fan [I have always lived in Arizona, dad is from Chicago].
This.
Even "Out of the Park" Wagner Mateo K's a ton.
by Reynolds rapper on Jul 21, 2011 5:02 AM EDT up reply actions
It had to suck witnessing this.
I was there when Ryal took Koroda’s head off and for Orlando Hudson’s season/Dbacks career ending injuries. Not a very good feeling to witness that.
Per Mare, Per Terras
It was really really ugly to watch
Even worse with the belligerently drunk Brewers fan behind me screaming about how Ryan Braun is “from The U!!!” Poor timing and taste all around from the guy, not even recognizing or paying any notice to the fact that Drew was twitching in pain in a heap on the ground.
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by Dan Strittmatter on Jul 21, 2011 4:41 AM EDT up reply actions 2 recs
If that happens again
just turn around and punch the guy. Society will be better the harder you punch
DROOOOOOOOOOOOO!!! WHHYYYYYYYYY!!!!
by imstillhungry95 on Jul 21, 2011 10:43 AM EDT up reply actions 2 recs
Just to clear that up
I mean if you knock him unconcious, the rest of the stadium will thank you
DROOOOOOOOOOOOO!!! WHHYYYYYYYYY!!!!
by imstillhungry95 on Jul 21, 2011 10:44 AM EDT up reply actions
We probably need to move to being sellers now.
There’s no reason not to move Johnson now because:
1) The division isn’t reachable w/o Drew.
2) Johnson is on the last year of his contract
3) The DBacks can’t pay $ for his power surge.
To be a buyer now is to trade prospects for 3B and play Bloomquist or Roberts at SS and keep Johnson. That doesn’t seem to make a lot of sense.
Even "Out of the Park" Wagner Mateo K's a ton.
by Reynolds rapper on Jul 21, 2011 5:09 AM EDT reply actions
It doesn't help
but i think it’s a little early to throw in the towel. Now, if Kennedy, Hudson and Saunders all went down then I’d agree with you (knocking wood on the top of an oak desk).
"A plethora of pinatas..."
by NASCARbernet on Jul 21, 2011 6:09 PM EDT up reply actions
Yech
I just saw the video. Human ankles are not supposed to rotate like that… That sucks. Wish him the best of luck and a speedy recovery. Very unfortunate this happened and hopefully this won’t derail his career in any way.
We have to be careful about what we do at the trade deadline...
If we just trade Johnson and Saunders then that sends a message to the team that the organization has given up on this season. Who knows what kind of baseball we’ll see then. We might go back to 08-10 D’backs baseball.
We have to make subtle moves that will improve us next year. Get a young arm or two in a trade to improve the bullpen. Saunders is still under control for another year, if we get another starter it has to be a fairly young solid #3. A guy like Ricky Nolasco comes to mind. We also need a 7th inning arm that will actually be with us next year (not Wood or Isringhausen).
Now the biggest question is what to do with Kelly Johnson. I’d like for him to play in a D’backs uniform next year, whether we keep him and extend him, or trade him and sign him in the offseason, but that strategy is dangerous. Drew getting hurt put us in a terrible spot in terms of preparing for next year.
The real danger would be sending a message to the fans
that the team has given up this year. Trading for good value to fill an obvious need will work, dumping won’t.
"The kingdoms of Experience, In the precious wind they rot, While paupers change possessions, Each one wishing for what the other has got, And the princess and the prince, Discuss what's real and what is not, It doesn't matter inside the Gates of Eden." B. Dylan
This is the obvious shortcoming of the
Beane/Florida model. If you’re not buying, you have to be selling for prospects. I remember, I think it was FLA or SD was within a game or 2 of the lead a couple years back and they gutted the WHOLE team.
If they’d make more of a commitment to Free agency, you could start moving the “core” farm guys and fill all the holes.
The DBacks only have one “got to move now” piece and that’s Johnson.
Even "Out of the Park" Wagner Mateo K's a ton.
by Reynolds rapper on Jul 21, 2011 7:32 AM EDT up reply actions
and you could maybe move Nady.
Even "Out of the Park" Wagner Mateo K's a ton.
by Reynolds rapper on Jul 21, 2011 7:33 AM EDT up reply actions
You're funny
DROOOOOOOOOOOOO!!! WHHYYYYYYYYY!!!!
by imstillhungry95 on Jul 21, 2011 10:46 AM EDT up reply actions
Note, I said "maybe".
Maybe someone wants an outfielder who can’t run after fly balls.
Even "Out of the Park" Wagner Mateo K's a ton.
by Reynolds rapper on Jul 21, 2011 11:28 AM EDT up reply actions
Call Kenny Williams!
Founder of the 'Foundation for the Advancement of Clefoing' a 501C3
"I'm like if it fits in the oven, play ball." - soco
Promised Colin Cowgill fifteen sandwiches on 7/6/2011
I'm saying
I doubt it ;)
DROOOOOOOOOOOOO!!! WHHYYYYYYYYY!!!!
by imstillhungry95 on Jul 21, 2011 11:41 AM EDT up reply actions
So you're saying there's a chance. :)
Even "Out of the Park" Wagner Mateo K's a ton.
by Reynolds rapper on Jul 21, 2011 11:43 AM EDT up reply actions
Oh yeah
Hey Big Gulps! All right!….. Well, seeya later
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"I'm like if it fits in the oven, play ball." - soco
Promised Colin Cowgill fifteen sandwiches on 7/6/2011
Given the level
of gnashing I’ve seen, it almost feels like the fans have given up for this year. Not that they’ll stop watching, but that they don’t necessarily think the team is going to be able to get it done.
122'.
I think
all the people who are gnashing their teeth need to take a few deep breaths and realize that while Drew was a big part of our team, he was just that, part of the team. Upton, Johnson, and everyone else need to come in and pick up the slack. That’s what teams are supposed to do.
DROOOOOOOOOOOOO!!! WHHYYYYYYYYY!!!!
by imstillhungry95 on Jul 21, 2011 11:25 AM EDT up reply actions
Well
The knee jerk reaction is always the most visible one. I think the point that Drew’s plate production this year wasn’t really up to bar, and could be easily matched by Bloomquist/Random/Abreu/whoever is a good one. But we will miss him being a rock at short.
But, life goes on. Still plenty of games left.
Founder of the 'Foundation for the Advancement of Clefoing' a 501C3
"I'm like if it fits in the oven, play ball." - soco
Promised Colin Cowgill fifteen sandwiches on 7/6/2011
I am troubled on how we lost the game yesterday,
Come on, Upton on 3rd with NO outs in the bottom of the 9th and we still lose the game? Absolutely pathetic.
by Backin'the'Backs on Jul 21, 2011 11:31 AM EDT up reply actions
I thought they were going to need a bat before the injury.
So obviously when they say they want to keep prospects, I’m assuming they can’t be buyers with 3 holes.
Even "Out of the Park" Wagner Mateo K's a ton.
by Reynolds rapper on Jul 21, 2011 11:49 AM EDT up reply actions
Couldn't disagree more
The REAL danger is letting your fanbase run your front office. If we slide for the next couple weeks, do what’s best for the future of the team. Trade Johnson and Saunders for the best packages available and build for 2012.
Founder and Chairman of the Hire A Body Double For David Hernandez's Right Arm Commission. A non-profit organization.
by Dan Strittmatter on Jul 21, 2011 11:57 AM EDT via mobile up reply actions 1 recs
what are you talking about?
isn’t this country founded on the principle that as long as most people believe something to be right, then it is actually right
by blue bulldog on Jul 21, 2011 7:23 PM EDT up reply actions
This is sarcasm, right?.....
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by Dan Strittmatter on Jul 21, 2011 7:49 PM EDT up reply actions
Right
Another thing I didn’t think about: how are we supposed to trade Saunders when we only have four viable starters right now anyway? We honestly can’t get by without him for the rest of the year. Just because we’re not going to make a run at the division doesn’t mean we should start playing like the Astros.
Miley, Corbin, Owings.
Joe Saunders, who is doomed to regress anyways, is not an integral cornerstone of this team. His value has never been higher IMO. Time to cash in.
Founder and Chairman of the Hire A Body Double For David Hernandez's Right Arm Commission. A non-profit organization.
by Dan Strittmatter on Jul 21, 2011 12:00 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
Will be a disaster if the others don't produce.
Kennedy and Hudson can’t do it alone, and Collmenter still has to prove he can produce consistently.
"The kingdoms of Experience, In the precious wind they rot, While paupers change possessions, Each one wishing for what the other has got, And the princess and the prince, Discuss what's real and what is not, It doesn't matter inside the Gates of Eden." B. Dylan
It'd be such a long-term disaster...
If Saunders goes and his replacements are replacement-level or slightly below. We’d lose, like, a whole one win! How on Earth could we deal with that??!!
Disaster is losing your Ace after one start. Disaster is not trading Joe Freaking Saunders if you think you’re out of a playoff hunt. He’s been a #4 his entire career, and peripherals say he’ll be a #4 from here on out. Not a huge loss in any way.
Founder and Chairman of the Hire A Body Double For David Hernandez's Right Arm Commission. A non-profit organization.
by Dan Strittmatter on Jul 21, 2011 12:48 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
Disaster is not being able to win games, period.
Do you really think the difference between Saunders and an untested AA or AAA pitcher is 1 win? Or is it more like one win per week?
What happened to Enright the other day is exactly what can happen when AAA pitchers pitch in the majors. Do you really think the others would do much better? If so, why did they call up Enright?
"The kingdoms of Experience, In the precious wind they rot, While paupers change possessions, Each one wishing for what the other has got, And the princess and the prince, Discuss what's real and what is not, It doesn't matter inside the Gates of Eden." B. Dylan
Considering that Saunders is consistently a 2 WAR (or below) pitcher
And we’re well over halfway through the year, I think the difference between Saunders and someone who we can find for around replacement-level performance is AT MOST one win. Sorry if your random, subjective, and baseless opinions disagree with the numbers. I’m confident that one of Miley or Corbin could at least manage replacement-level production for us.
They called up Enright because they a) had experience with him, b) didn’t have to make a 40-man roster move (this is a biggie you failed to notice), and c) his numbers were good at Triple-A. The reality is that he’s like Mulvey or Buckner – ability to get AAA hitters out with bad stuff and location, getting away with the occasional mistake, but can’t pull it off in the majors because the mistakes are deposited into the outfield bleachers. That is not the kind of pitcher that either Miley or Corbin would be. They have much better stuff and can, in my opinion, be replacement-level guys. Thus, one win. Big freaking deal.
Founder and Chairman of the Hire A Body Double For David Hernandez's Right Arm Commission. A non-profit organization.
by Dan Strittmatter on Jul 21, 2011 1:46 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
Not so sure why your down on Saunders.
The guy has been hot lately and to say he will not continue or be better than a AAA replacement are crazy. No way you trade Saunders right now. Maybe in the off season.
by DiamondbacksWIn on Jul 21, 2011 2:32 PM EDT up reply actions
He's wildly over-performing his peripherals
His “hot” streak is smoke and mirrors. Which is exactly why you trade him now.
I also didn’t say that he wouldn’t be better – one extra WAR is solid value for a contender. I just don’t see why we really need it at this point.
Founder and Chairman of the Hire A Body Double For David Hernandez's Right Arm Commission. A non-profit organization.
by Dan Strittmatter on Jul 21, 2011 2:41 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
OR...
he’s figured out how to pitch and win.
"A plethora of pinatas..."
by NASCARbernet on Jul 21, 2011 6:10 PM EDT up reply actions
You mean the numbers don't
tell all?
"The kingdoms of Experience, In the precious wind they rot, While paupers change possessions, Each one wishing for what the other has got, And the princess and the prince, Discuss what's real and what is not, It doesn't matter inside the Gates of Eden." B. Dylan
If they did, I'd be very wealthy
‘cause I’d be applying the method to as many markets as I could grab. But alas, although the application of finance statistics seem to work at a rate slightly above random, there still seems to be no replacement for tried and truth finance investment methods. To think it would be any different in baseball, or in dating for that matter, would still entail great disappointment in the long term.
"A plethora of pinatas..."
by NASCARbernet on Jul 21, 2011 6:19 PM EDT up reply actions
lol
i’m beginning to actually wonder if you actually were a mathematics guy back in the day
do you realize what you are even saying? “application of finance statistics seem to work at a rate slightly above random”. this means that in the long run, the application of whatever mathematical algorithm you come up with to model financial markets gets you positive expected value. which means if you apply the algorithm over and over again you will accumulate a lot of money.
the reason you’re not very wealthy has nothing to do with the fact that the numbers don’t work. it has everything to do with the fact that you don’t know how to use those numbers to your advantage.
by blue bulldog on Jul 21, 2011 7:29 PM EDT up reply actions
Congrats on your excellent use
Of missing the point. “Telling all” isn’t what the numbers do, what they do is tell how to explain random fluctuations and understand which way players will regress, if it is determined that they are due to regress. In Saunders’ case, a career-long history says he’s a mediocre pitcher, and he isn’t doing anything differently this year. He’s just getting better results. Good for him, but it isn’t going to last.
Founder and Chairman of the Hire A Body Double For David Hernandez's Right Arm Commission. A non-profit organization.
by Dan Strittmatter on Jul 21, 2011 7:37 PM EDT up reply actions
Just like he did in 2008, right??!!
When he posted a 3.41 ERA and had 17 winzzz in spite of a 4.36 FIP. He must have learned how to pitch and win that year!!!
Which is exactly why he posted a 4.60 ERA/5.17 FIP the following year, and a 4.47 ERA/4.57 FIP the year after that. He must have un-learned or something.
Or, the correct explanation, is that his 3.82 ERA is smoke-and-mirrors and his true talent levels lies around his 4.89 FIP, which is very close to replacement-level.
This whole history of general sabermetric accuracy and statistical regression are a real thorn in the side of these lovely learning-how-to-pitch and intangibles theories, aren’t they?
Founder and Chairman of the Hire A Body Double For David Hernandez's Right Arm Commission. A non-profit organization.
by Dan Strittmatter on Jul 21, 2011 7:35 PM EDT up reply actions
Not to mention
That Saunders is headed to his last year of arbitration this winter, and will be scheduled to make around $8MM, which is somewhere around what he’s worth, but too much for us to pay with so much young pitching in the minors. This makes him a non-tender candidate, which greatly reduces our trade leverage.
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by Dan Strittmatter on Jul 21, 2011 2:48 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
I'd apologize for my random, subjective, and baseless opinions,
except that in many cases your confidence in numbers seems to have been misplaced. A minor failing would be your defense of the Duke and Galarraga acquisitions, which I questioned from day one. I’m sure I could dig deep and find a lot more, but that would be a complete waste of my time, and most likely you would try to distort or dance around the facts.
If you want to keep throwing rocks, I suggest you find a target less likely to throw one back.
"The kingdoms of Experience, In the precious wind they rot, While paupers change possessions, Each one wishing for what the other has got, And the princess and the prince, Discuss what's real and what is not, It doesn't matter inside the Gates of Eden." B. Dylan
Right, because I expect nobody to ever respond to me in debates...
If Galarraga had put up numbers similar to what he did a year ago in Detroit (and the more difficult league), it would have been fine. But his fastball command collapsed and he exploded. Yeah, I got it wrong, pardon me for not foretelling a total meltdown, but so did an entire front office who are employed to make these decisions. Everybody is wrong about things like this at various points, particularly when it comes to projecting someone’s numbers for a season that hasn’t started yet.
Suggesting that you’re somehow better than me because of two moves that I supported – and I’ll give you a better one than the Duke move, which I was largely ambivalent about as a worthwhile risk rather than a spectacular steal: the Mora move – going awry is laughable. Not sure what you’re trying to do with this, oh ye avid defender of retaining Aaron Heilman. How did your projections work out there, you hypocrite?
That’s also completely beside the fact that you’re citing remarkably different uses of the numbers… I’m using current data of what Saunders’ peripherals ARE and formulas developed by much smarter people than either you or I, so you counter by saying my faith in those WAR totals is unfounded because I’ve inaccurately predicted the WAR totals others MIGHT put up? How are those at all related??!! There is no bridge there, despite your trying to walk across it.
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by Dan Strittmatter on Jul 21, 2011 5:43 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
toes in the water...
KT’s approach was massively parallel – grab as many people with some big league experience and let them duke it out, with the expectation that at least some will be able to perform at a plus level. In other words, its a work in process. As a reminder, I don’ t think he was given a huge budget to work with to begin with. In that massively parallel approach, I’m sure it was expected that a number of people would disappoint, but enough would survive the process to make a contribution going into the final stretch. The ideal approach? Of course not. Practical? Yes.
"A plethora of pinatas..."
by NASCARbernet on Jul 21, 2011 6:15 PM EDT up reply actions
It was a reasonable way to handle things
He had plenty of money to throw around, but was scared by the starting pitching free agent market. With as much young pitching as the D-backs have on the farm, I would have been reluctant to give someone 3-years and $30MM, too. Hence, Duke and Galarraga. Neither worked out, but at least we’re done with them next year and in the years following when we’re going to have an exceptionally cheap and effective rotation from the Byrnes Era and our current farm. So you’re right, that’s a big reason why the moves weren’t an absolute travesty.
I’d argue that his position player signings were less reasonable because he signed too many position players that filled similar, even flat-out identical, roles to players he had already signed or who were already under the team’s control.
In spite of the fact that the Duke and Galarraga moves have turned out horribly thus far, they’ve turned out horribly in a proportion relative to how much they players have cost the team. Even though those moves were awful, there’s a reason why Towers’ “GM GPA” was still in C- territory when I wrote my piece – it’s because the moves he spent the most money on were generally successful, and he didn’t have a $30MM contract blow up in his face like, for instance, the Russ Ortiz contract once did.
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by Dan Strittmatter on Jul 21, 2011 7:45 PM EDT up reply actions
The big problem is that you are now 2 bats and another starter
from winning the division. If using the Beane/Florida model is really what we are doing, you just can’t be buyers. You would have to move Bloomquist to SS full time, pick up an OF and pick up a 3B and pick up a starter to go with Hudson, Kennedy and Saunders. How are you going to do this without touching Parker, Goldschmidt, Broxton, Wheeler etc.? With 3 trades having to be executed in 10 days against bidders how are you going to pick up a Cuddyer or a Ludwick or any other candidate without moving the guys most don’t want to move?
If you truly have no intention of re-signing Johnson, you HAVE to trade him unless he is going to be a type B or A. Saunders doesn’t have to move and can be kept another year.since he’s not going to be a free agent.
Even "Out of the Park" Wagner Mateo K's a ton.
by Reynolds rapper on Jul 21, 2011 7:24 AM EDT up reply actions
Don't buy, don't sell
At least not in a big way.
Stand pat and see what you have in the minors.
The worst major leaguer is better at baseball than I'll ever be at anything I ever do in my life.
The answer to that is, apparently, "Cody Ransom"
:-(
But I agree with the basic sentiment. We probably weren’t going to win the division before the injury, and chasing that rainbow should not involve any sacrifice of the future. We have cash room, so something like the Adam Dunn trade from a couple of years back should be about the limit of it.
Daron "...the D. Baxter fan-club"
Mark: "A non-profit organization."
by Jim McLennan on Jul 21, 2011 12:46 PM EDT up reply actions
This sucks
Who should suffer for this outrage ?
If you'd have been a dog.....
They would of drowned you at birth.
Scott Cousins
DROOOOOOOOOOOOO!!! WHHYYYYYYYYY!!!!
by imstillhungry95 on Jul 21, 2011 10:46 AM EDT up reply actions
BURN HIM
BUUUURRRRRNNNN HIM
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"I'm like if it fits in the oven, play ball." - soco
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He's a witch!
He turned me into a newt!
"Never ignore a coincidence. Unless you're busy, in which case always ignore a coincidence."
A newt?
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"I'm like if it fits in the oven, play ball." - soco
Promised Colin Cowgill fifteen sandwiches on 7/6/2011
….I got better.
"Never ignore a coincidence. Unless you're busy, in which case always ignore a coincidence."
Freakin' ducks.
"A plethora of pinatas..."
by NASCARbernet on Jul 21, 2011 6:20 PM EDT up reply actions
When Whiteside was in for one of the SF trips
I yelled “He’s not heavy, he’s my Cousins.”
Even "Out of the Park" Wagner Mateo K's a ton.
by Reynolds rapper on Jul 21, 2011 11:45 AM EDT up reply actions
Hope Droooo makes a full recovery
And while he’s always been a sort of silent bad ass, he popped his freaking foot into place after that. O_O
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"I'm like if it fits in the oven, play ball." - soco
Promised Colin Cowgill fifteen sandwiches on 7/6/2011
0_o
wut.
I can’t make myself watch the video.
I should have a mfin theme song.
by emilylovesthedbacks on Jul 21, 2011 10:44 AM EDT up reply actions
Let's just say
that feet/ankles aren’t supposed to be at a perpendicular angle from the rest of your leg….
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They're not even cooking the ice! -- kishi
by snakecharmer on Jul 21, 2011 1:53 PM EDT up reply actions
Not at all
Hope he makes a full recovery
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by imstillhungry95 on Jul 21, 2011 1:57 PM EDT up reply actions
Ow
thankfully, I can’t tell you from personal experience how badly that would hurt, but I could take a guess…
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by imstillhungry95 on Jul 21, 2011 10:47 AM EDT up reply actions
I can
It hurts
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"I'm like if it fits in the oven, play ball." - soco
Promised Colin Cowgill fifteen sandwiches on 7/6/2011
That was my guess
I really hope I never find out personally, however
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by imstillhungry95 on Jul 21, 2011 11:12 AM EDT up reply actions
It
wasn’t a bad break, but it still had to be popped into place somewhat, that still hurt. My left foot is still pretty weird (ankle and foot injuries) and I still wear a brace sometimes. Those injuries suck
Founder of the 'Foundation for the Advancement of Clefoing' a 501C3
"I'm like if it fits in the oven, play ball." - soco
Promised Colin Cowgill fifteen sandwiches on 7/6/2011
I tore/sprained some tendons & ligiments
in my Left ankle 3 years ago. i play LF, and SS. In Lf i can still do just fine, but when i play SS, going to my right is now even more of a weak spot. i just can pivot and push off as hard. Same with leading off bases. granted drew will get the best treatment out there, but it will be hard to adjust for him.
Freeze it..and make a popsicle
The Next week will show alot
About what this team, Front office and Kirk Gibson truly is. The Giants lost a major part and they are in 1st. If we dont let that drive us, then the season is lost.
NOw if Bloomquist steps up and just plays good solid D and gets on base. you never know. i think Towers needs to make a move, and make a move soon to show the fans and the teams that we can still hang in there and win this thing. Dont break the bank, but get a Arm and a Bat.
Gibson needs to sit the whole club down (hopefully he already has) and tell them o use this just like SF did. Go out and win it for Drew, and to make his hard play trying to score the tone for the rest of the season.
Also, It’s time for Kelly Johnson to step up and lead the infield. Extra BP, more drills, He needs to make those on his left and right look better just as Drew did for him. As much as this sucks, cause drew is my personal fav. after Special K left, im very interested to see how the team and Org. responds to this. Go out tonight and smash Greinke, make a statement your still here, and not going away.
Freeze it..and make a popsicle
I'm not sure if
KT and Hall were included in ‘the whole club’ but they should be. It might not be a bad thing to remind them that we aren’t out of it yet, so they refrain from selling off the whole team
DROOOOOOOOOOOOO!!! WHHYYYYYYYYY!!!!
by imstillhungry95 on Jul 21, 2011 11:48 AM EDT up reply actions
Too bad about Drew.
I’ve always like him and held out hope that somehow he would be on the Giants. Also, if you need a SS you can have Miguel Tejada. No seriously, please take him.
Proud parent of SD-born Shane Loux.
If Cain is with us, who can be against us? - atxgiantsfan
*liked him
Proud parent of SD-born Shane Loux.
If Cain is with us, who can be against us? - atxgiantsfan
Only if
You guys take Sean Burroughs
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"I'm like if it fits in the oven, play ball." - soco
Promised Colin Cowgill fifteen sandwiches on 7/6/2011
Although
I think someone here posted seriously that we might want to take a look at Tejada
Founder of the 'Foundation for the Advancement of Clefoing' a 501C3
"I'm like if it fits in the oven, play ball." - soco
Promised Colin Cowgill fifteen sandwiches on 7/6/2011
Uribe may be a possible buy low candidate for you guys. Sadly, I don’t think the Giants would consider parting ways with Miggy right now.
Proud parent of SD-born Shane Loux.
If Cain is with us, who can be against us? - atxgiantsfan
Well
It seems the “Over the hill old dudes” strategy is very alive and well amongst a good portion of the NL West.
But I think we are probably going to look within the system. As mentioned above, Ransom is there, Bloomquist can play some short, and that’s probably the best way to go.
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"I'm like if it fits in the oven, play ball." - soco
Promised Colin Cowgill fifteen sandwiches on 7/6/2011
Within the system is probably a cheaper bet but I’ll be those guys are replacement level at best. Seems like the SS options in MLB are slim to none these days.
Proud parent of SD-born Shane Loux.
If Cain is with us, who can be against us? - atxgiantsfan
You're probably right
On both counts. We’re also, technically, still in a rebuilding phase (just one that’s gone rather well so far), so who knows how anxious the FO would be to pull the trigger on a deal
Founder of the 'Foundation for the Advancement of Clefoing' a 501C3
"I'm like if it fits in the oven, play ball." - soco
Promised Colin Cowgill fifteen sandwiches on 7/6/2011
Except that Uribe
Is signed to an absurdly-long and expensive contract…
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by Dan Strittmatter on Jul 21, 2011 12:05 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
LOLMcCourt
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"I'm like if it fits in the oven, play ball." - soco
Promised Colin Cowgill fifteen sandwiches on 7/6/2011
Yeah, obviously the Dodgers would have to eat a lot of that money to move him at this point.
Proud parent of SD-born Shane Loux.
If Cain is with us, who can be against us? - atxgiantsfan
Like $17MM worth...
Not worth it for them.
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by Dan Strittmatter on Jul 21, 2011 1:01 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
Me
As a minor-league deal invite for next year as a maybe platoon guy, hoping for regression… :-P
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by Dan Strittmatter on Jul 21, 2011 12:03 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
The only team that
might actually consider taking Naked Lunch off our hands is the White Sox, and what are the odds of lightening striking twice in the same place?
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by imstillhungry95 on Jul 21, 2011 12:05 PM EDT up reply actions
Wellllll
Hudson, Allen, CY
It’s struck three times at least
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"I'm like if it fits in the oven, play ball." - soco
Promised Colin Cowgill fifteen sandwiches on 7/6/2011
I had forgotten
that we got BA and CY from the White Sox. Maybe there is hope
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by imstillhungry95 on Jul 21, 2011 12:07 PM EDT up reply actions
Can we at least agree now is the perfect time
to trade Baxter?
Even "Out of the Park" Wagner Mateo K's a ton.
by Reynolds rapper on Jul 21, 2011 11:58 AM EDT reply actions
Can
we actually do that?
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by imstillhungry95 on Jul 21, 2011 12:06 PM EDT up reply actions
We wouldn't
get much for him. Maybe we can call up a mascot; I bet Sparky or Wilbur could do better.
122'.
I can only
really think of one mascot that wouldn’t do better. Dinger
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by imstillhungry95 on Jul 21, 2011 12:07 PM EDT up reply actions
The Rockies would have to throw in Tulo and eat most of his contract to make that deal worth while.
Proud parent of SD-born Shane Loux.
If Cain is with us, who can be against us? - atxgiantsfan
They'd
have to throw in their entire team
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by imstillhungry95 on Jul 21, 2011 12:21 PM EDT up reply actions
At least we can all agree what Dinger is an affront to all that is good.
Proud parent of SD-born Shane Loux.
If Cain is with us, who can be against us? - atxgiantsfan
There
must always be common ground. Even if it is just hatred of another teams mascot.
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by imstillhungry95 on Jul 21, 2011 12:27 PM EDT up reply actions
we need the gorilla.
he can pull double duty.
I see you driving
'round town with the girl I love
And I'm like, Haiku.
I like Dinger.
Even "Out of the Park" Wagner Mateo K's a ton.
by Reynolds rapper on Jul 21, 2011 1:21 PM EDT up reply actions
Time for someone to be banned
me thinks ;)
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by imstillhungry95 on Jul 21, 2011 1:30 PM EDT up reply actions
I also like TC and Raymond.
Funny story: I watched the Mascot HR Derby and TC did terrible. The next day, I bummed TC out by saying “Hey TC, tough loss man.” A ticket taker gave him a hug of consolation.
Even "Out of the Park" Wagner Mateo K's a ton.
by Reynolds rapper on Jul 21, 2011 2:35 PM EDT up reply actions
I can see the Headline
“Both the University of Arizona and Arizona State University were banned from postseason play in all sports because of their working for the Arizona Diamondbacks. Ohio State, meanwhile, has received double-secret probation.”
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"I'm like if it fits in the oven, play ball." - soco
Promised Colin Cowgill fifteen sandwiches on 7/6/2011
Let's do it
Three way trade- Baxter and Dinger to the surface of the sun, the DBacks and Rockies get sunlight and a player to be named later in return.
"Never ignore a coincidence. Unless you're busy, in which case always ignore a coincidence."
Sounds good to me!
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by imstillhungry95 on Jul 21, 2011 5:12 PM EDT up reply actions
No trade
Just DFA. Does the Democrat Party need another mascot?
"A plethora of pinatas..."
by NASCARbernet on Jul 21, 2011 6:22 PM EDT up reply actions
Not seeing any takers
shucks
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by imstillhungry95 on Jul 21, 2011 12:06 PM EDT up reply actions
Well
as there seems to be no more takers, I have a life to get to. Talk to you all later
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by imstillhungry95 on Jul 21, 2011 12:08 PM EDT up reply actions
Dammit
I miss all the fun.
Daron "...the D. Baxter fan-club"
Mark: "A non-profit organization."
by Jim McLennan on Jul 21, 2011 12:15 PM EDT up reply actions
Don't worry
we took care of it for you. As Sutton put it earlier this season, we’re your Snakepit Army!
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by imstillhungry95 on Jul 21, 2011 12:21 PM EDT up reply actions
Eh
Some people don’t learn, you’ll get your share of fun before all is said and done
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"I'm like if it fits in the oven, play ball." - soco
Promised Colin Cowgill fifteen sandwiches on 7/6/2011
ECW! ECW!
Even "Out of the Park" Wagner Mateo K's a ton.
by Reynolds rapper on Jul 21, 2011 2:37 PM EDT up reply actions
#13
That’s where Stephen ranked among SS’s in WAR terms, according to Fangraph’s. That kind of production should not be that expensive to replace. Right ahead of him at #12 is Clint Barmes of the ‘Stros. Gotta believe they’d be willing to let him go for a mid-level prospect. The numbers are almost identical: Barmes – .253/.321/.384, Drew – .252/.317/.396. In wOBA terms, it’s .314 to .313. And C.B. is supposedly the better fielder, 4.6 to 3.0.
Right. Number 13.
Twelve major league shortstops are better than Drew? I really don’t think so.
"A plethora of pinatas..."
by NASCARbernet on Jul 21, 2011 6:23 PM EDT up reply actions
I actually was given a remarkable piece of statistical insight from Gambo & Ash...
Believe it or not. I’m still stunned, but it’s true. Here are Drew’s career wRC+ splits by month:
Mar/Apr: 104
May: 79
June: 80
July: 96
August: 108
Sep/Oct: 111
Sounds an awful lot like what we’ve seen from Drew so far this year. Scorching start, struggles from May to early July, breaks out and rakes for the rest of the year. Depressingly, it seems that we’re going to miss the best part of Drew’s season.
In other words, my money would have been on Drew finishing strong, if he were okay. :-(((((
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by Dan Strittmatter on Jul 21, 2011 7:49 PM EDT up reply actions
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