Diamondbacks send down Miranda, Pena for Allen and Blum
by snakecharmer on Jul 14, 2011 7:04 PM EDT
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PrintWith a hat-tip for rfffr for his fanpost this morning, the Diamondbacks news outlets are reporting that Wily Mo Pena (designated for assignment) and Juan Miranda (outrighted to AAA Reno) have been sent down to make room for Geoff Blum, returning from the disabled list, and Brandon Allen. This is the first of what one would hope would be several moves by the Diamondbacks front office before the trade deadline.
Juan Miranda was acquired from the New York Yankees for minor league pitcher Scott Allen. Throughout spring training, Kevin Towers assured the fans that "Miranda is our first baseman", but he struggled offensively ended up in a platoon role with Russell Branyan and Xavier Nady. Miranda hit only .213 in 202 plate appearances with 7 home runs and had some defensive miscues as well.
The return of Brandon Allen is a move long desired by the Diamondbacks faithful. He was acquired mid-season 2009 from the White Sox and put up great numbers in AAA as a power hitter, but the numbers haven't yet translated to success in the big leagues. He was a late August/September call-up in both 2009 (.202 AVG) and 2010 (.267). He had a rough start to the year with the Reno Aces but those numbers have rebounded lately and he's hitting .306 AVG/.427 OBP/.579 SLG. Welcome back, Brandon Allen!
Wily Mo Pena was signed to a minor league contract this winter and tore up the PCL hitting 21 home runs and a .363 average. Wily Mo hit some monster home runs, and his second deck shot in Milwaukee on the 4th of July sparked a comeback win. But he's never been a terribly good defensive player, and was only brought up to the big league Diamondbacks when interleague play began to be a Designated Hitter. Now that interleague play is over and Geoff Blum is healthy, it's his turn to go. He can still opt to take the assignment and stay with the Diamondbacks in Reno.
Geoff Blum signed a 2-year, $2.7M contract with Arizona in the off season. He was injured in Spring Training and this will be the first we've seen of him in months. He had a good rehab outing with the Reno Aces before the All-Star Break. Blum is a utility infielder/outfielder.
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and according to Gambo...
Arizona is interested in trading for Ricky Nolasco, James Shields, Wandy Rodriguez and Jeremy Guthrie.
All good guys
They asked for Nolasco in Upton talks (with Logan Morrison)
Shields
Would take a boatload of good stuff to get, and I don’t see that happening. The Rays tend to do well in these deals. Wandy or Nolasco could probably had for the right cash and lesser prospects, just by dealing with the Astros and Marlins.
I'd rather give the money to Wandy
Than toss a little less at a group like Duke/Gallaraga/Heilman and hope some of the crap sticks to the wall. It’s not a bargain nor a gross overpay,and it isn’t unreasonable given what FA veteran starters get on the open market.
Wandy's consistent
And that’s not super easy to find. It would also hopefully drive down the cost of trading for him.
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by Dan Strittmatter on Jul 14, 2011 8:42 PM EDT up reply actions
Agreed on Shields
The Rays can afford to move an arm because of Matt Moore, but goodness they’d be asking for a lot. That said, I think Shields would dominate the NL West.
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by Dan Strittmatter on Jul 14, 2011 8:42 PM EDT up reply actions
I think he'll go somewhere else
I don’t know what we could give for him…
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by snakecharmer on Jul 14, 2011 8:49 PM EDT up reply actions
We have a loaded farm
But I wouldn’t want to give up enough from it to get Shields. We could totally come up with one of the best packages, but I’d have no interest in doing so.
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by Dan Strittmatter on Jul 14, 2011 8:50 PM EDT up reply actions
Well, how long would we have Shields for?
That’s what I mean, we HAVE a lot, but would we be willing to give up what they’d be asking…
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by snakecharmer on Jul 14, 2011 8:53 PM EDT up reply actions
He has three no-brainer club options coming up
$28MM over three years. They’d want two top-10 prospects at least.
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by Dan Strittmatter on Jul 14, 2011 8:58 PM EDT up reply actions
Eeek.......
but then again, don’t we also need a replacement for Saunders coming up?
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by snakecharmer on Jul 14, 2011 9:00 PM EDT up reply actions
Yeah
But why commit to someone so expensive for so long when we have so many prospects coming?
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by Dan Strittmatter on Jul 14, 2011 9:02 PM EDT up reply actions
Or cost $44MM
Found out that his options could elevate in cost with various performance triggers.
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by Dan Strittmatter on Jul 15, 2011 12:12 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
Would have been cheaper to
keep Haren.
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Couldn't agree more
Oh, hindsight.
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by Dan Strittmatter on Jul 15, 2011 7:56 PM EDT up reply actions
A 15-win pitcher over three years for $44MM
Or a 7-win pitcher (thinking Corbin here? Definitely Skaggs at the least) over three years for $1.2MM? Are 8 wins worth $42.8MM? Seems slightly above market rate, and that’s just one-for-one. Sure, that estimate is probably high for Corbin, but the idea stands.
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by Dan Strittmatter on Jul 15, 2011 7:58 PM EDT up reply actions
Well
a) it’s not 3 years, $44M, $44M is the possible value of the ENTIRE deal. The 3 options are worth $28M and the maximum bonus he can get if he wins the Cy Young every year is another $6M. I think a realistic estimate is 3/30, give or take.
b) that said, I don’t think he’s a 5 win guy, I think 11 WAR over three years is a reasonable estimate
c) Corbin is NOT a 7 WAR guy, not even close.
at least
this is one of those “do you want Matt Davidson and AJ Pollock” deals where they hang up the phone laughing
by blue bulldog on Jul 14, 2011 11:15 PM EDT up reply actions
We could send them Davidson and Enright
Davidson moves to first. Enright is having a good year in AAA.
Enright??!!
He’s maybe a #5 starter in the NL. In the AL, he’s a fringe-swingman. They’d laugh us off the phone.
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by Dan Strittmatter on Jul 14, 2011 9:16 PM EDT up reply actions
Maybe Holmberg then
Corbin, Parker and Skaggs are too valuable. They might ask us to take Justin’s brother from them though.
If we acquire him.
We would have the only two Melvins in baseball on a roster at some point in the year.
in a trade
most of the time when you’re not dealing with an idiot (and trust me, the Rays are not idiots when it comes to trades) you have to shade towards the assumption “if i’m willing to do this trade, then they probably aren’t”
Shields is controlled, cheap, and good. Remember when we said we were fielding offers for Justin Upton earlier this year? And most non-AZCentral Dbacks fans realized that we’d want the three top prospects in a stacked system (so like, Royals, Rays, Braves preseason) in order to part with Upton?
Shields is close to the same boat. except he’s a pitcher, so there’s a risk premium, and he’s not as good as Upton, and also one year less control I believe. so instead of our top 3, we’d probably have to give two of our top five.
so now ask yourself, if I need to give the Rays Skaggs and Goldschmidt for James Shields, do you still pull the trigger?
by blue bulldog on Jul 14, 2011 11:21 PM EDT up reply actions
That last question would probably depend...
on how high we are on Corbin (to give up Skaggs). James Shields is dominant, i would do it.
I would pretty much take Skaggs off the table
And have them pick any two guys they want. Still an amazing deal for us.
Corbin is not too valuable.
When the return is James Shields.
I’d take B.J. Upton if we have to.
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by Dan Strittmatter on Jul 15, 2011 1:08 AM EDT up reply actions
I dunno either...
But if they wanted to get rid of him, I’d gladly oblige. :)
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by Dan Strittmatter on Jul 15, 2011 12:14 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
Irrelevant
These moves will prove to be totally irrelevant to making the team any better. BA is a Miranda clone. watch the number Miranda puts up in Reno and the numbers BA puts up in Phoenix. They will be identical.
by sonic barracuda on Jul 14, 2011 7:26 PM EDT reply actions
i unfortunately agree with this
i think a lot of us will be disappointed by Allen’s performance in the majors this year.
by blue bulldog on Jul 14, 2011 11:22 PM EDT up reply actions
+1
I’m not sure how high our expectations are for Miranda. Mine are pretty contained. My only hope is that his OPS is closer to 800 than 700 (Miranda was sitting at 714).
"Baseball fans are junkies, and their heroin is the statistic." Robert S. Wieder
Very sorry to see Wily Mo DFA'd
Honestly, I thought he was building up some trade value as a backup DH in the AL. Hopefully he takes the assignment and we can get some value for him.
when you can't get on base
it’s hard to be a useful DH even if you’re the backup
by blue bulldog on Jul 14, 2011 11:22 PM EDT up reply actions
Wow
I never thought this day would come, that being the day that Brandon Allen was called up before september. That said, I don’t think these moves will mean much by the end of the season. I have a feeling that this is mostly just to build up some trade value for Allen, and after he missed the first half of the season, I don’t really have much hope that Blum will come out and be that pinch hitter we’ve been wanting. Prove me wrong you two
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by imstillhungry95 on Jul 14, 2011 7:40 PM EDT reply actions
I was unaware Miranda had options
must be his last.
He doesn't
Should be ‘outrighted’. Fixed.
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by Jim McLennan on Jul 14, 2011 7:53 PM EDT up reply actions
I believe so...
But don’t other teams also have a chance to claim him? He’s being moved off the 40-man, so if someone else wants him for their 40-man, don’t we have to expose him?
Oh, annoying rules.
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by Dan Strittmatter on Jul 14, 2011 8:00 PM EDT up reply actions
Yeah, I was confused about that
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by snakecharmer on Jul 14, 2011 8:04 PM EDT up reply actions
In other news the Yankees are getting pounded
8-0 at the end of the first.
Does Burroughs have to beat a drifter with a tire iron to get sent down again?
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Promised Colin Cowgill fifteen sandwiches on 7/6/2011
He wasn't playing terrible just before the break.
I believe a .272 average with pretty good defense.
Hollow average.
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by Dan Strittmatter on Jul 14, 2011 8:00 PM EDT up reply actions
Yeah
Small-ish sample size, not a whole lot shown for power…
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Promised Colin Cowgill fifteen sandwiches on 7/6/2011
Wow, that's depressing.
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by Dan Strittmatter on Jul 15, 2011 12:16 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
well first it has to be caught
on camera, you know the old “pics or it didn’t happen requirement”.
I used to be disgusted, now I try to be amused....
Jeff Keppinger would be an interesting acquistion.
Hits for a good average and doesn’t strike out.
You want another infielder?
No, correction, another infielder with a hollow batting average?
I don’t understand this at all.
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by Dan Strittmatter on Jul 14, 2011 8:03 PM EDT up reply actions
I'm excited
to find out how much I’m going to hate Geoff Blum.
122'.
by soco on Jul 14, 2011 8:07 PM EDT reply actions 6 recs
The New Melvin Mora?
Wagner Mateo's 2011 Stats: 17 Games, .167 AVG, 2 HRs, 4 RBIs, 9 Runs Scored, 10 BBs, 32 Ks...I'm seriously considering getting a new signature
by Bryan J. Boltik on Jul 14, 2011 9:06 PM EDT up reply actions
I'm excited
to see how much alcohol watching Geoff Blum forces me to drink.
by Augie's Army on Jul 15, 2011 1:26 AM EDT up reply actions
I wonder if Goldschmidt gets called up to Reno soon
I also would have liked to see Burroughs or Nady go before Pena.
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no way KT releases those guys
they are “HIS men”
to quote…crap….was it ’Skins?
by blue bulldog on Jul 14, 2011 11:25 PM EDT up reply actions
I was wholly unimpressed with the mighty Goldschmidt
the pressure was on him during the Futures game, and he choked under it. He’s not ready for prime time.
"Fangorn Forest. What madness drove them in there?"
by NASCARbernet on Jul 15, 2011 12:01 PM EDT up reply actions
It was one game
With a bunch of top arms snows up and throwing harder than they ever would as starters. Entirely unfair to judge based on that game.
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by Dan Strittmatter on Jul 15, 2011 12:18 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
Stupid phone
Amped up.*
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by Dan Strittmatter on Jul 15, 2011 12:18 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
Bryce Harper says hello
He also went 0-for-4. Maybe we can trade Miranda to the Nationals for him since Harper is clearly equally useless.
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by Jim McLennan on Jul 15, 2011 3:27 PM EDT up reply actions
To be fair...
There’s like a five-year age gap there. :-P
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by Dan Strittmatter on Jul 15, 2011 7:58 PM EDT up reply actions
Will Brandon Allen start every day? that is the real question here.
Nady will add 0 wins. We know that already. Let BA prove what he can do given the everyday job.
by Brian MacKinney on Jul 14, 2011 8:19 PM EDT reply actions
That was initially the plan with Miranda, too
but that didn’t work…….
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by snakecharmer on Jul 14, 2011 8:27 PM EDT up reply actions
Didn't work or wasn't followed through with?
by Brian MacKinney on Jul 14, 2011 8:36 PM EDT up reply actions
Both
Initially it was a platoon when it wasn’t supposed to be, then Miranda got regular playing time and hit alright, but then he scuffled again offensively. And as I said in the article, his defense wasn’t impressive either, no more so than an average fielder and he hurt us a few times.
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by snakecharmer on Jul 14, 2011 8:38 PM EDT up reply actions
Well, we now have a new best LHB off the bench
Too bad he’s in his late-30’s and signed to a two-year deal for non-minimum salary. Also don’t get Pena leaving – dude may be replacement-level, but he strikes fear into the hearts of left-handed relievers, and that makes managers make bad decisions.
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by Dan Strittmatter on Jul 14, 2011 8:49 PM EDT reply actions
I am not surprised he was the odd man out
but I certainly wish he could’ve stayed on. He hit some big home runs off the bench in NL parks, the walk-off and the pinch-hit blast in Milwaukee that started our comeback. But as an every-day hitter, his big league power may not have been enough.
I hope he chooses to stay in the system. Who knows, he may have been enjoying hitting all those home runs in Reno…
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by snakecharmer on Jul 14, 2011 8:55 PM EDT up reply actions
I wouldn't be surprised to see called up at the end of august.
He would be a nice piece on the postseason roster.
I agree with the Pena assessment
if not purely practical reasons, he is a psychological weapon.
"Fangorn Forest. What madness drove them in there?"
by NASCARbernet on Jul 15, 2011 12:03 PM EDT up reply actions
Well
Wily Mo’s homers were fun while it lasted. I’m not surprised that he was the one chosen to be sent. He was…well…bad for the most part.
And Jenny, I have reconsidered some proposals that we need to discuss sometime.
Wagner Mateo's 2011 Stats: 17 Games, .167 AVG, 2 HRs, 4 RBIs, 9 Runs Scored, 10 BBs, 32 Ks...I'm seriously considering getting a new signature
by Bryan J. Boltik on Jul 14, 2011 9:04 PM EDT reply actions
Haha
Okay…
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by snakecharmer on Jul 14, 2011 9:46 PM EDT up reply actions
I agree with this though
"Fangorn Forest. What madness drove them in there?"
by NASCARbernet on Jul 15, 2011 12:03 PM EDT up reply actions
Gonna Miss Wily Mo.
Pena gave us a late inning game changer off the bench. He proved one thing, he has parking lot power. We don’t really need Blum IMO, we have RyRo/Bloom for everything he could potentially provide. BA at 1st will be a step up, but as a PH Pena>Blum.
Here's to the return of "Anybody Anytime"
by jryanwalters on Jul 14, 2011 9:26 PM EDT via mobile reply actions
We had to call Blum up.
His rehab assignment was over.
This is BA's Last Shot
I’m thinking the only reason they called up BA rather than Goldie was to give him his final shot to show he can hit big league pitching. I’m not convinced he can, but I won’t be upset if I’m wrong. I figure they’ll give him about a month (maybe less) to show what he can do. I can’t say I totally disagree with that logic from a “It’s only fair” perspective. It shows a little bit of class by the organization. It also gives them a chance to watch Goldie to see how he handles the mini-slump he’s been in the last month. His average has been sliding south for a while now while his Ks have been up. If BA doesn’t “show up” and Goldie makes some adjustments to get back on track, he’ll be up by mid-August at the latest.
by sonic barracuda on Jul 15, 2011 4:00 AM EDT reply actions
+1
Except, I agree with paqs and bulldog — they need to give him more than just a month.
"Baseball fans are junkies, and their heroin is the statistic." Robert S. Wieder
If he starts every day
I think a month is fair to show what he can do. Remember, this is his 3rd call up, and he hasn’t shown much yet. I have been yelling for Allen all year, but just because the other options were so bad. Time to put up or shut up for Brandon.
by Craig from Az on Jul 17, 2011 11:55 AM EDT up reply actions
It's unlikey that he will start every day, and even if he did
the sample size would be too small for a realistic evaluation.
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So much for starting every day
X Nady the destroyer of lefties to the rescue!!
Facts:
Nady vs LHP in 2010: .242/.290/.359 in 132 PA
Nady vs LHP in 2011: .253/.305/.402 in 95 PA
And a special bonus point for Gibby: Nady has almost as many PA against RHP (87) as he does against LHP.
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