SnakePitRound Table: Who's the Diamondbacks DH?
The Diamondbacks went 3-4, dropping series at home to both the Giants and the White Sox. However, they actually picked up a sliver of ground on the Giants last week, and sit just half a game back as they enjoy today's off-day, albeit likely heading for Kansas City and interleague play. We discuss that, who our DH might be, the state of the D-backs bullpen and the disappointing homestand.
After outslugging the Marlins 12-9 in the opener, the offense averaged only three runs per game back in Chase, losing four of the six games here. Thoughts on the week?
soco: It’s hard to imagine the Diamondbacks falling on their face any worse; they were only saved by the Giants being equally inadequate. You have to win at home, dropping 4 of 6 in a homestand is not going to cut it. Offense was certainly part of it, but it almost felt like 2009/10 when the bullpen would have an awful inning and put the game out of reach. Maybe the offense hasn’t been good enough, but at the same time we can’t expect them to score 10 runs a game.
Kishi: Our season record against the Giants is just painful to behold, and dropping two games to the (sub-.500) White Sox is just disappointing, especially since we lost both games in such a convincing fashion. We’re probably seeing some normalization after such a hot run over the previous weeks, but it’s frustrating to watch.
Sprankton: We’ve seen a few stretches like this earlier in the season where the offense was vacant so it’s nothing new, especially against weaker teams. Back then, however, the bullpen consisted of Sam Demel and a surprisingly useful Vasquez. Now-a-days we have Bryan Shaw and the not-so-useful Vasquez. I expect the offense to have weeks like this, but it was a bummer to see the bullpen pitch so poorly.
Shoe: Of course a disappointing week. The holds at first base and left field vs. LHP need to be filled quickly.
Jim: I think this is going to be the way the rest of the year. At the moment, it looks like us, Colorado and the Giants will be back and forth, with each occasionally getting hot, then cooling off. But so far in June, the Giants and Rockies have won 10 games, we’ve won nine, which is pretty "meh". The Diamondbacks need to do better in the West: 12-14 against the division won’t cut it, though most of that is the terrible 2-7 against SF.
DbacksSkins: 1-2 against both the Giants and White Sox, with the Giants losing the series against the A’s? I called it.
emily: I took the week off of baseball leading up to SPF. Glad I did. UGH.
The bullpen numbers of late have been sliding back towards the 2010 version. Sam Demel and Juan Gutierrez should be back soon; where will they fit in?
Kishi: Well, I’d say one of them fits in Aaron Heilman’s spot in the bullpen. After that, who do you move? Discounting Bryan Shaw’s two innings pitched, the next highest ERA currently in our bullpen is Esmerling Vasquez, sitting at 4.61 after today’s unfortunate incident. But you can’t send him down for one bad outing, can you? What else would you do?
Sprankton: I’m not so sure Vasquez has had only one bad outing. Since May 18 he’s allowed 7 earned runs (and two inherited) in only 12.1 innings with a 7:8 BB:K rate. That’s excluding what happened on Sunday night. Shaw seems like a no-brainer to go so Heilman and Vasquez are likely candidates for removal. Though, I wish we could find a way to put Collmenter back in the ‘pen.
shoe: The Bullpen has been regressing since May 20th. Over the last 30 games the Bullpen ERA is 5.68, dropping the team to the edge of the lower 3rd in baseball. I don't think that Demel or Gutierrez are going to be large upgrades over anyone else we have been using. But they each may have streaks of effectiveness if healthy.
Jim: It seems likely Demel will be first back, and he will probably replace Kroenke, though I suspect Gibson like the extra flexibility an additional lefty provides. It’ll get more interesting when Gutierrez returns. He should technically replace Owings, but even after Micah’s blow-out at SnakePitFest, his ERA is still below three. I think the team needs a genuine long-relief arm, because on any given day, there’s a significant risk for the majority of our rotation, that they might only last four innings. Heilman’s BABIP is .380, so he has been unlucky. Will that and the fact we’re on the hook for the salary, save him?
emily: I really hope kishi is right and that someone will take Heilman’s spot. Goodness.
Justin Upton has been on a tear, getting his BA up above .300. Will he be on the All-Star team?
soco: I think he’s the obvious choice, if we assume Arizona only has one representative. He’s been an All-Star before, he’s well known outside of the city, and he’s having a very good season so far.
Kishi: If we only get one representative, I’d say it comes down to J-Up or Ian Kennedy. Either one of them would be a great choice, and both have been good against the Giants this year, so hopefully Bochy will keep them in mind when he fills in his roster.
Sprankton: With the game being at Chase and all, I definitely wouldn’t mind a little hometown love. In a perfect world, Kennedy, Upton, Drew, and Putz would all make it in.
shoe: If he keeps this up, yeah, they will put him on the roster as a reserve. Shadow over at the bullpen speculated not only will he be named, but he'll be asked to participate in the HR derby in his home park.
Jim: He certainly should, though there are a great crop of performances in the NL outfield this year. Ryan Braun, Matt Holliday and Lance Berkman probably should start, but I can’t believe Andre Ethier is getting more votes than Matt Kemp, whose OPS is close to 200 points better. Dodger fans must have left the balloting early, around the letter I [hey, it never gets old...] But off the bench, certainly. I imagine MLB would want their official FanFest spokesperson in the game.
emily: I certainly hope so. Not sure how I feel about the Home Run Derby thought, but I do hope he’s in the ASG in some capacity.
We'll be covering this more later today, but what other D-backs deserve consideration, in your mind?
soco: I’d like to believe either/both Ian Kennedy and Daniel Hudson are doing well enough for consideration. JJ Putz has been ridiculous, and certainly deserves to be in the conversation, but will be left off in favor of sexier picks. Stephen Drew is another one that will get crowded out, I think, though it helps that Hanley Ramirez is having an awful year. I think Miguel Montero could be helped by a weakened catcher pool. McCann and Molina are ahead of him, but who else? Of course, I said this last year about Kelly Johnson in regards to second base, but he wasn’t selected.
Kishi: I gotta start checking the next question before I start writing answers. Like I said above, I think Ian Kennedy deserves a spot in the game. Miggy deserves some attention, too, as does David Hernandez, I think. I think Parra and Drew aren’t going to necessarily get a whole lot of love for their bats, but I think the deserve consideration for their defense. I’d be surprised if we get more than one spot in the game, but with Bruce Bochy seeing our players a lot and Kirk Gibson serving as one of the coaches on the team, maybe we’ll be lucky to get two or three.
soco: Drew should get love for his bat, he’s one of the top shortstops in the NL in OPS+ (currently 2nd).
Sprankton: Oops. I got ahead of myself...
soco: Geez, am I the only one who reads all of the questions first?
shoe: Quite a few actually. Hudson and Kennedy, Putz, Montero, and Drew. A case could be made for all of them. My guess is one of these 5 will get to go, and it will just depend on performance over the next two weeks and roster construction that the manager wants.
Jim: Let me give some love to Ryan Roberts, who leads all NL 3B in bWAR, and it’s not even close - he is at 2.1, the second-placed guy is at 1.5. Miguel Montero is in the same spot, and Ian Kennedy sixth among starters. But I think it’ll be Upton and Kennedy.
emily: Drew, please. I’d really like to see Daniel Hudson too, but I know that ain’t happenin’.
It’s on the road in interleague play for Arizona, with Wily Mo Peña as a DH. Thoughts?
Kishi: Interleague play always seems to be a struggle for us, even in the years we’re good- don’t quote me on that, because I haven’t looked up the numbers. Wily Mo’s been solid in Reno, but, like Han Solo almost said, good against AAA is one thing, but good against the majors? That’s something else. (Oh, man, George Lucas’s dialogue has never been good.) I’m relieved to see the Sean Burroughs experiment end- if only so no one has to explain the Naked Lunch reference again- but I’ll retain my skepticism until we see if Pena’s prowess at the plate made the trip up, too.
Sprankton: There’s a reason why Wily Mo hasn’t played on an MLB team in over three years... I’ll just hope for the best and be satisfied with anything more productive than Sean Burroughs and Russell Branyan gave us.
soco: Maybe he’ll come out of the gate hot and help boost an offense that has been seriously scrapping. We can’t keep hoping the Giants will lose everyday, the Diamondbacks have to make their own destiny at some point. But I’m not sure if Willy Month Pena will be the answer
shoe: .They telegraphed that move a week ago.
Jim: It’ll be interesting to see whether Peña’s OPS translates any better to the majors than Burroughs, who was over a thousand in Reno, and barely half that after his promotion. What will be very interesting is what happens at the end of interleague play. If Peña continues to be nuclear-hot, will he stick as a first baseman?
emily: Sean Burroughs was less than impressive, but I’m not expecting much more from Wily Mo (side note: how do you pronounce his first name?)
Random Q: would you rather be the owner, coach, or General Manager of the D-backs, and why?
soco: Owner. I’m not going to pretend I know enough to evaluate or coach talent, but I think I’d do a good job being the boss-man.
Kishi: Coach. I’d prefer to be down on the field, involved in the game and with the players. Though I wouldn’t object to having the resources of the owner.
Sprankton: GM, definitely. Trades, drafts, free agency, winter meetings, lots of stats to look at, it all sounds awesome.
shoe: Owner. That way I could be really rich and meddle all I wanted.
Jim: GM for me. Providing the owner wasn’t a meddling type who insisted on extending outfielder contracts for three years, at least. Though being the owner would be nice, so I could change the name of the park on a weekly basis, just for kicks. What? I care not for your "legally bound naming rights"!
emily: Well, I’d take any of those, but I seriously doubt that an MLB team would hire a female coach, which leaves me with GM or owner. I’ll go with owner.
How will we do in the six games in Kansas City and Detroit?
soco: I expect to be disappointed. Detroit’s a good team, and KC will probably outclass us. I just have a feeling.
Kishi: 4-2. Detroit’s pretty good, but I think we can handle the Royals- except for Frenchy, of course- and I have hopes for a winning road trip.
Sprankton: We’ll break even, 3-3. Jim Leyland will find some way to make his team lose.
shoe: Both teams have good offenses, and will be a challenge for our pitching staff. And both teams have had inconsistency in their pitching staffs. OK: K.C.'s staff is horrible. We should knock them around, and there will be high scoring games. 2-1 series win in KC. But tougher to go in Detroit, as I believe we'll draw Verlander. Not sure if we'll face Max. He's been up and down. To many ex D-backs....besides Max, you have Valverde & Schlereth too. All these hard throwers amped up to kick our ass. We lose that series 1-2.
Jim: I tend to agree with shoe’s analysis. Any road-trip where we go 3-3 is fine by me, especially one with multiple Joe Saunders starts.
emily: Take 2 from each. Mostly so my coworker can’t tell me how much better the Royals are and what a terrible first pick Justin Upton was.
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For Emily's question
His name is pronounced “WILL-ee” like Willie Mays, not “WY-Lee” like Wile E. Coyote.
thank you!
I’m sure I would’ve figured it out eventually, but it was annoying me.
I should have a mfin theme song.
by emilylovesthedbacks on Jun 20, 2011 3:22 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
I'mma re-post my comment from the recap here
WHAT!? THE GIANTS GOT SWEPT BY THE A’S????
Caps do not mean sarcasm, I was honestly surprised by this! Being out of town I barely kept up with the Dbacks, let alone Giants. I thought they’d take at least 2 from the A’s. In the recap, I figured SF would “steamroll” ;) Oakland and so AZ would need to do well against Chicago. Major bummer that we couldn’t do better there, and it obviously could’ve been much worse.
I stopped reading. Now I just write sarcastic, angry comments.. -- soco
They're not even cooking the ice! -- kishi
emily, why'd you take the week off of baseball pre-SPF?
I stopped reading. Now I just write sarcastic, angry comments.. -- soco
They're not even cooking the ice! -- kishi
because
I was bored with baseball in general and I just wanted SPF to be fun times :)
I should have a mfin theme song.
by emilylovesthedbacks on Jun 20, 2011 7:36 PM EDT up reply actions
Also
WHERE ARE THE PHOTOS FROM SPF4.1?!?!?
I stopped reading. Now I just write sarcastic, angry comments.. -- soco
They're not even cooking the ice! -- kishi
That's what happens
when you only visit the snakepit once in 6 days!
I stopped reading. Now I just write sarcastic, angry comments.. -- soco
They're not even cooking the ice! -- kishi
by snakecharmer on Jun 20, 2011 2:27 PM EDT up reply actions
There's some in the article on the topic
I’ll get more uploaded shortly. Busy de-virusing the SnakePitette’s computer. Joy. :-)
Daron "...the D. Baxter fan-club"
Mark: "A non-profit organization."
by Jim McLennan on Jun 20, 2011 2:49 PM EDT up reply actions
I didn't take any
::ashamed::
I should have a mfin theme song.
by emilylovesthedbacks on Jun 20, 2011 7:37 PM EDT up reply actions
I have a feeling we will do well against the Tigers
Even drawing Verlander, were gonna see alot of fast-ball pitchers, and our guys can hit fast balls. I expect Upton to stay hot, and Young will have a good road trip. Also Saunders may surprise some of us, especially if the weathe rgets a bit chilly in KC and Detroit.
Freeze it..and make a popsicle
I'll tell you what I like about Wily Mo
Wily Mo is a gigantic home run power hitter. Even if his BA goes way down to like .250, every time he steps up to the plate he is a threat to hit a home run if he’s given the right pitch. That’s no good in an everyday player like Mark Reynolds, but it’s exactly what you want out of a bench bat — a guy you can bring in for someone like Parra in the 7th inning and have half a chance he will actually clear the bases. I don’t see Wily Mo as an everyday player, but if we’re lucky he’ll make an awfully nice secret weapon for the late innings.
Sounds a lot
like Russell Branyan, doesn’t it?
DFA Melvin Mora and Aaron Heilman. I beg you, Towers.
Bingo
Russell Branyan:
’08: .250/.342/.583
’09: .251/.347/.520
’10: .237/.323/.487
Bottom line: Russell Branyan is a really good hitter who happened to have a really bad 50 or so PA for us. The same can happen with Pena, or, he can hit really well.
Branyan is 35
and doing worse with LA that he did here. Suspect he’s a bit over the hill, while Wily Mo may still have something in the tank.
As a bench bat or DH he should be good, but I’d never have him bat for Parra in the 7th since his defense could easily offset any hitting gain possible. Hitting for a pitcher, or for Parra in the bottom of the 9th with the game on the line would be another story.
"Some speak of the future, My love she speaks softly, She knows there’s no success like failure, And that failure’s no success at all" B. Dylan
That's true
But anything is possible over a 100 PA or so. Kila Ka’ihue destroyed AAA for a couple of years, but couldn’t hit in the majors.
That said, if Pena is hitting anything like he did in AAA, I’d not only have him hit for Parra in the 7th, I’d have him start for Parra against lefties. If his defense is that bad, you could bring in Bloomquist as a defensive replacement late in the game.
It's highly unlikely that
he will hit like he did in Reno, at least for any length of time.
Be nice if it happened, though.
"Some speak of the future, My love she speaks softly, She knows there’s no success like failure, And that failure’s no success at all" B. Dylan
RANDOM Q
In a dream world, I would take the job of home plate umpire. WHY? Best seat in the house.
Second choice: Bat Boy
Yahoo listed four diamondbacks
Upton, Kennedy, Roberts and Montero. I don’t know about Roberts and I think Hudson could also get consideration.
I'd LOVE to see Roberts and Huddy get consideration!
They’ve both had a pretty good season so far…why not get them in the game somehow?
As for Wily Mo Pena, I really hope he isn’t juicing in order to be in the bigs…I mean geez, look at the size of him plus the fact he’s been creaming the ball! There is, however, a vast difference between minor league pitching and major league pitching…he could be up here and totally suck for all we know, which I am hoping is NOT the case. I hope he provides the pep int he bat that we’re lacking right now.
"There are 3 types of baseball players: those who make it happen, those who watch it happen, & those who wonder what happens." -Tommy Lasorda
"When you want to win a game, you have to teach. When you lose a game, you have to learn." ~Tom Landry
by Rockkstarr12 on Jun 20, 2011 7:01 PM EDT up reply actions
Ryro
cooling down at a bad time….don’t see it happening for him
Would love Montero to finally get some love and make the all-star game
no way Hudson makes it in with that ERA. and he doesn’t have the really flashy strikeout numbers to compensate.
by blue bulldog on Jun 21, 2011 1:31 AM EDT up reply actions
who is mo pena?
is he really good? do you guys thinks mo pena will be a super star in the bigs?
He's not an up-and-comer
He’s a veteran trying to make a comeback, hasn’t played since 2008.
I stopped reading. Now I just write sarcastic, angry comments.. -- soco
They're not even cooking the ice! -- kishi
by snakecharmer on Jun 20, 2011 5:16 PM EDT up reply actions
thank you
thanks for the answer hope he help us do well,go dbacks.!
Why I didn't consider Roberts for All Star
Because I don’t think Bochy will. Not enough track record of being good. He’s still viewed as a Utility player that had a really hot month. (Which is pretty much what he is)
Thru April 30th .313/.413/.594 1.007 OPS
Since May 1st .240/.322/.420 .744 OPS
The worst major leaguer is better at baseball than I'll ever be at anything I ever do in my life.
But also true
is that there are no 3Bs having great seasons in the national league this year. Zimmerman and Sandoval are really the only two that have played well consistently, they just don’t have the counting numbers since both missed significant time to injuries.
Not that I think Roberts will make it. Polanco’s going to win the fan vote, but after that there’s a large vortex of suck from the big name 3Bs, but they have the almighty big names. I’d guess Bochy just picks his boy Sandoval as the backup, which isn’t a bad pick considering how well he’s played when he’s actually gotten to play, but Roberts is likely more deserving, so far at least. If it were a true measure of this year’s play, he’s in, but that never actually happens.
There is more to All Star Selection than who has best stats thru mid June
What happened last year and the years before counts too. In this case that doesn’t actually help sandoval, as he sucked last year.
But his manager is the all star manager, so that is probably the biggest factor here.
The worst major leaguer is better at baseball than I'll ever be at anything I ever do in my life.
He could get
Infante’d and make it in there because of versatility. I hope a more deserving player gets in though.
DFA Melvin Mora and Aaron Heilman. I beg you, Towers.
Yeah, it's ok.......for Chase Field.
It’s not really all star level performance though….even in this new lower level offense era.
The worst major leaguer is better at baseball than I'll ever be at anything I ever do in my life.
Yes, it's a very nice performance.......
No disputing that Roberts is having a well timed and extremely enjoyable career year.
But we are talking about the all star game. right ?
The worst major leaguer is better at baseball than I'll ever be at anything I ever do in my life.
Well, I wasn't
But yeah, he’s not an All Star.
He wouldn’t have been an All Star if he was OPSing 1000.
I have to comment about our bench
While I am definitely glad to see Burroughs go and Wily Mo come in, it still doesn’t address a concern that I’ve had throughout the season. Even including if Blum is healthy, we have no one to bring in for pinch running duties. The only way we would is if Chris Young is not in the lineup for some reason. It kind of annoys me, because say we’re down 1 in the ninth and Nady or Miranda or someone like that gets on to lead the inning off. Wouldn’t it be nice to bring on someone with at least SOME speed to run the bases instead of a slow, plodding first baseman? I don’t know much about Cowgill’s speed but I think he would be a better option than any bench guy we have right now, simply because he’s young, and he’s got to have better speed than Mora, Nady, Miranda, and whoever else we might have on the bench.
"First of all, Life Sucks. Alright? Period. Done deal. You got it? There's your lesson. Enjoy it."-Coach McGuirk, Home Movies.
by BulldogsNotZags on Jun 20, 2011 8:52 PM EDT reply actions
And as an addendum....
We should sweep KC, and probably lose 2 of 3 to the Tigers, so I’d say 4-2 on this roadtrip.
"First of all, Life Sucks. Alright? Period. Done deal. You got it? There's your lesson. Enjoy it."-Coach McGuirk, Home Movies.
by BulldogsNotZags on Jun 20, 2011 8:53 PM EDT up reply actions
When/if we ever bring up Cowgill that won't be a problem.
He’s a good runner IIRC
"When Life gives you Lemons give the lemons BACK!"
by BattleMoses on Jun 20, 2011 10:22 PM EDT up reply actions
Traditionally
pinch runners have been off-day starting pitchers…
No, seriously.
"If you give a Russian schoolboy a chart of heavenly bodies, he will make corrections." Dostoevsky
by NASCARbernet on Jun 20, 2011 10:27 PM EDT up reply actions
Don't really think we've got a pinch runner candidate on this staff.
Hudson seems like the best athlete out of them all, Saunders is probably the sveltest. None of them have the speed of a Travis Wood or Mike Leake or somebody like that.
"First of all, Life Sucks. Alright? Period. Done deal. You got it? There's your lesson. Enjoy it."-Coach McGuirk, Home Movies.
by BulldogsNotZags on Jun 21, 2011 1:08 AM EDT up reply actions
Bloomquist
isn’t a speedster, but he’s good enough.
DFA Melvin Mora and Aaron Heilman. I beg you, Towers.
Tough home stand
Stinks to only win 2 at home this week. At least we were mostly in those games against the Giants. But our 2-7 record against them is awful. I sincerely hope this improves later in the season. Awful to lose 2 games to the sub .500 White Sox. And worse to feel like we were never really in those 2 losses. Bullpen is starting to become a problem. I desperately do not want a repeat of Bullpen 2010. Glad the the Giants got swept though, so we are still pretty close.
Hoping Wily Mo can rediscover how to hit in the majors. We really do need some bench help.
I expect to see Upton as our All Star player. Maybe Drew or Kennedy might get some attention.
I write a lot of it off to the ridiculous scheduling
cross country midnight flight, around 10 straight games, et cetera.
"If you give a Russian schoolboy a chart of heavenly bodies, he will make corrections." Dostoevsky
by NASCARbernet on Jun 20, 2011 10:29 PM EDT up reply actions
Shoe, if you become owner
can I become GM?
Sure, as long as you don't mind my meddling :)
The worst major leaguer is better at baseball than I'll ever be at anything I ever do in my life.
If you have to ask his permission to meddle
you can’t be an owner.
"If you give a Russian schoolboy a chart of heavenly bodies, he will make corrections." Dostoevsky
by NASCARbernet on Jun 21, 2011 12:25 PM EDT up reply actions
yeah...well...
i don’t think he’s really asking my permission….
by blue bulldog on Jun 21, 2011 12:38 PM EDT up reply actions
Sure he is...
You asked that should he become an owner if you could become ‘GM.’ He replied in the affirmative on the condition that you allow him to meddle should he permit you to be GM.
"If you give a Russian schoolboy a chart of heavenly bodies, he will make corrections." Dostoevsky
by NASCARbernet on Jun 21, 2011 1:20 PM EDT up reply actions
Lord....just take me now
The worst major leaguer is better at baseball than I'll ever be at anything I ever do in my life.

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