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PLATOON: The 2011 Diamondbacks, Handedness, and last Wednesday's Lineup

NOOO!!! Mora's in the lineup against a lefty AGAIN!!! WHY??

Note: If numbers make your eyes glaze over, feel free to skip down to the conclusions.
I like the idea of platooning Parra

According to baseball reference, Parra’s career OPS+ against RHP is 110, against LHP is 62. As said above, he would still get 75% of the starts. Willy Mo, or Cowgill, get the other starts. If it’s Willy Mo, you can always put Parra in as a defensive replacement late in the game.

It seems that platooning has gone out of fashion in the big leagues. I grew up a Royals fan in Kansas, and they platooned players all the time. They took a lot of mediocre ballplayers and turned them into a decent L/R platoon team.

by Craig from Az on Jun 15, 2011 9:23 AM MST

"Platooning" generally involves switching certain players in or out of the lineup based on a particular split -- usually involving benching left-handed players against a lefty starter, or righty players against RHPs. That's what we're going to be discussing here.

In the case of the Diamondbacks, when does it make sense? And with whom? The answers may shock you -- or not. They may just mildly surprise you. But either way, they surprised me.

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The problem with platooning is that sometimes you have a manager who sits an obviously superior player in favor of some guy who's got a .678 batting average against left-handed pitchers in 13 ABs.

Take the June 8th lineup against the Pirates. We were facing lefty Paul Maholm, so Kirk Gibson sat Gerardo Parra for Xavier Nady; sat Stephen Drew for Willie Bloomquist; sat Miguel Montero for Henry Blanco; sat Kelly Johnson for Ryan Roberts; and played Melvin Mora at 3B. Yet, strangely, he kept Juan Miranda, a lefty, in at first base. The total lineup went:

  1. Willie Bloomquist, SS
  2. Melvin Mora, 3B
  3. Justin Upton, RF
  4. Chris Young, CF
  5. Juan Miranda, 1B
  6. Xavier Nady, LF
  7. Henry Blanco, C
  8. Ryan Roberts, 2B
  9. Zach Duke, P

Think that lineup caused angst among some Dbacks fans? Go back to IHateSouthBend's recap to which I linked above.

 

Nady, Bloomquist, Blanco, and Mora combined for a .435 OPS in the game.

When KJ, Drew, and Parra came into the game, they produced a 1.381 OPS.

KJ, Drew, Miggy, and Parra's overall OPS' this season are .721, .818, .852, and .741 respectively. Their replacements Mora, Bloomquist, Blanco, and Nady are at .522, .611, .847, and .705.

KJ (.721 on season, .565 vs. lefties) was replaced by Mora (.522 season, .650 lefties).
Drew (.818 on season, .737 vs. lefties) was replaced by Bloomquist (.611 on season, .639 lefties).
Miggy (.852 on season, .705 vs. LHP) was replaced by Blanco (.847 season, 1.282 LHP in 24 ABs).
Parra (.741, .631 LHP) was replaced by Nady (.705, .661 LHP).

Using just those numbers, and weighting each player's splits based on the handedness of each actual PA seen, did it make sense?

C (Blanco) saw 2 LHP PAs, 3 RHP PAs.
LF (Nady-Parra) saw 2 LHP PAs, 4 RHP PAs.
SS (Bloomquist-Drew) saw 3 LHP PAs, 4 RHP PAs.
2B-3B (Mora-KJ, since Ryan Roberts plays the other position) saw 3 LHP PAs, 3 RHP PAs.

Remember, of course, that some of these are very small samples, and I'm only using this season's numbers.

Weighing each player's split OPS for actual plate appearances vs. pitchers seen, we get:

C
Blanco: (.4*1.282)+(.6*.296) = .690 OPS
Miggy: (.4*.705)+(.6*.894) = .818 OPS

2B-3B
Mora: (.5*.650)+(.5*.468) = .559 OPS
KJ: (.5*.565)+(.5*.763) = .664 OPS

SS
Bloomquist: (.429*.611)+(.571*.595) = .602 OPS
Drew: (.429*.737)+(.571*.848) = .800 OPS

LF
Nady: (.333*.661)+(.667*.743) = .716 OPS
Parra: (.333*.631)+(.667*.775) = .727 OPS

So, the only platoon that even came close to making sense was putting Nady's bat in for Parra. (Ignoring Parra's defensive advantage)

 

But wait! The test isn't fair, you say, because it was an extra-innings game, and the Diamondbacks had a higher % of plate appearances against righties than they would in a regulation game. To Kirk Gibson's credit, he put Drew, Johnson, and Parra in late. What if we re-weigh each player's split OPS, only including the plate appearances they had in regulation? Assume that the Dbacks don't tie it? (And they wouldn't have, without Drew and KJ.)

C saw a lefty twice and righty twice.
LF saw the same.
2B-3B saw a lefty thrice and righty once.
SS saw a lefty thrice and righty twice.

Recalculating, using the LHP/RHP ratio seen in regulation, we get:

C
Blanco: (.5*1.282)+(.5*.296) = .789 OPS
Miggy: (.5*.705)+(.5*.894) = .796 OPS

2B-3B
Mora: (.75*.650)+(.25*.468) = .605 OPS
KJ: (.75*.565)+(.25*.763) = .615 OPS

SS
Bloomquist: (.6*.611)+(.4*.595) = .605 OPS
Drew: (.6*.737)+(.4*.848) = .781 OPS

LF
Nady: (.5*.661)+(.5*.743) = .702 OPS
Parra: (.5*.631)+(.5*.775) = .703 OPS

What do these numbers tell us? They tell us that, if you assume that each player's platoon split thus far this season represents their true talent, then yes, the platoons at C, LF, and 2B/3B were actually defensible individually. None of those platoons made that position a BETTER hitting spot, but it was extremely close at each position.

  • One final thing these numbers tell us? Willie Bloomquist should NEVER, EVER, EVER replace a healthy Stephen Drew EVER. (We will come back to this, so don't forget that I said it.)

Problems with this analysis? Absolutely. Do you REALLY think Henry Blanco will continue to hammer lefties (1.282 OPS) and run away crying from righties (.296 OPS)? Probably not. That lefty split should drop significantly, and the righty split should rise by quite a bit.

Now, what about going forward? Trying to pick out the best platooned lineup in the future? Well, we can try to do some predictions. These numbers are only through 60+ games and still reflect a fairly small sample size. Additionally, while OPS weighs on base % and slugging % equally, research into team scoring has shown that they are NOT equally valuable in predicting a team's ability to score runs, nor do they reflect the differences across ballparks. Let's use something more advanced.

 

For the predictive part of this story, I switched from OPS to wRC+, a hitting metric from FanGraphs that values on base % more than slugging, compensates for leagues and ballparks, and uses a scale with 100 being a major league average hitter -- that is, above 100 is above average, below 100 is below average, etc.

 

I also made a pretty large assumption, trying to regress each player's platoon splits, by averaging their wRC+ vs. RHP or LHP this year with their career numbers. For Blanco, since his splits are ridiculous, I used his straight career numbers, and for Sean Burroughs (yes, I took EVERY hitter on the roster) I used his career split against LHPs, since he only has two PAs vs. lefties this year. (0-2, in case you were wondering)

 

The numbers still aren't perfect, of course. 39 year old dudes like Melvin Mora are unlikely to hit at their career averages, and much of Xavier Nady's data comes from before he had two Tommy John surgeries. Simply using the mean of Kelly Johnson's splits ends up ignoring the fact that, although he has a regular platoon split this season, his career numbers still show a reverse split -- Kelly traditionally hits lefties better. Juan Miranda is the same way. In Kelly's case, like Burroughs, I used his career split against lefties, because I felt that it was a more reliable predictor of the future than his crappy 2011 numbers. (That number is 117, with a 47 this season. Averaging those would give an 82, and averaging his career number twice as heavily would give a 94. But I digest)

 

That having been said, I took these revised numbers and weighed them for likely plate appearances against different pitchers. The Pittsburgh game had nobody accrue more than 5 plate appearances during regulation, with most only getting 4, but that was a 2-2 pitcher's duel after the end of 9. In weighing each player's platoon split wRC+, I used 6 plate appearances and several different LHP/RHP ratios. Below are the players ranked in descending order of expected wRC+ in that game, and the dudes who should be starters.

 

6 RHPA (righty starter, all righty relievers):

  1. Miggy, C, 123
  2. Drew, SS, 117
  3. Upton, RF, 117
  4. Miranda, 1B, 106
  5. KJ, 2B, 106
  6. RyRo, 3B, 101
  7. Nady, LF, 97
  8. CY, CF, 95
  9. Parra, 93
  10. Burroughs, 85
  11. Mora, 64
  12. Willie B, 59
  13. Blanco, 51

Obviously, this is bat-only, and ignores Parra's awesome defensive advantage over Nady. In reality, you'd probably switch them and have Nady be the first bat off the bench.

 

5 RHPA with a LOOGY (These numbers represent the dudes who are better vs. lefties facing a righty 6x, and the dudes who are better vs. righties facing a righty 5x and a lefty 1x. That assumes, of course, that opposing managers have access to the data and use it accordingly -- not using a LOOGY vs. Miranda or KJ, for example. Nady has a reverse split this year, even after averaging, so he's treated like a lefty):

  1. Miggy, C, 118
  2. Upton, RF, 117
  3. Drew, SS, 112
  4. Miranda, 1B, 106
  5. KJ, 2B, 106
  6. RyRo, 3B, 106
  7. Nady, LF, 96
  8. CY, CF, 95
  9. Parra, 88
  10. Burroughs, 82
  11. Mora, 64
  12. Willie B, 59
  13. Blanco, 51

The only change to the starters is a switch of Drew and Upton.

 

This next scenario is unlikely -- it reflects 4 PAs vs. a righty, and 2 PAs vs. a lefty for everyone on the roster. Either the LHP starter got pulled early, or a team is especially lefty-heavy in its bullpen. Or else it's against the Cardinals, because Tony LaRussa is, of course, a genius. ;-)

  1. Upton, RF, 129
  2. Miranda, 1B, 123
  3. Miggy, C, 112
  4. RyRo, 3B, 110
  5. KJ, 2B, 110
  6. CY, CF, 107
  7. Drew, SS, 106
  8. Nady, LF, 94
  9. Parra, 82
  10. Burroughs, 79
  11. Mora, 72
  12. Willie B, 68
  13. Blanco, 65

Same group of starters, but different order. Miggy is no longer our best hitter, and even facing a lefty twice moves Drew well down the list.

 

3LHPA, 3RHPA: I think this is the most likely scenario when a lefty starts. Either this or the next one.

  1. Upton, RF, 135
  2. Miranda, 1B, 132
  3. RyRo, 3B, 115
  4. CY, CF, 113
  5. KJ, 2B, 112
  6. Miggy, C, 107
  7. Drew, SS, 101
  8. Nady, LF, 93
  9. Parra, 77
  10. Mora, 77
  11. Burroughs, 76
  12. Willie B, 73
  13. Blanco, 73

Starters are still the same, but the right-handed cream is really rising to the top.

 

4LHPAs, 2RHPAs: Lefty starter, righty relievers.

  1. Upton, RF, 140
  2. Miranda, 1B, 140
  3. CY, CF, 119
  4. RyRo, 3B, 119
  5. KJ, 2B, 113
  6. Miggy, C, 102
  7. Drew, SS, 96
  8. Nady, LF, 92
  9. Mora, 81
  10. Blanco, 80
  11. Willie B, 77
  12. Burroughs, 73
  13. Parra, 72

Wow, does Juan Miranda have a helluva reverse split. Moving right along:

 

5LHPAs, 1RHPA: Lefty starter, maybe 1 lefty reliever, righty setup guy and closer. Or something.

  1. Miranda, 1B, 148
  2. Upton, RF, 146
  3. CY, CF, 125
  4. RyRo, 3B, 123
  5. KJ, 2B, 115
  6. Miggy, C, 96
  7. Drew, SS, 90
  8. Nady, LF, 90
  9. Blanco, 87
  10. Mora, 85
  11. Willie B, 81
  12. Burroughs, 70
  13. Parra, 66

Miranda becomes the top hitter using this process. I doubt he's likely to outhit Upton vs. lefties moving forward, but those are the numbers. Finally:

 

6LHPA: This sinister lefty starter pitches complete games every time. Must be Eddie Plank, HOFer who holds the career record for complete games by a lefty, (410) while pitching for the Philadelphia Athletics and St. Louis Browns in the AL and St. Louis Terriers in the Federal League.

  1. Miranda, 1B, 157
  2. Upton, RF, 152
  3. CY, CF, 131
  4. RyRo, 3B, 128
  5. KJ, 2B, 117
  6. Blanco, C, 94
  7. Miggy, 91
  8. Nady, LF, 89
  9. Mora, 89
  10. Willie B, SS, 86
  11. Drew, 85
  12. Burroughs, 67
  13. Parra, 61

NOW we see some real movement. Six plate appearances against a lefty, none against a righty. These are, essentially, just each player's regressed platoon split -- just to reiterate, for most players, these numbers represent [(2011 wRC+ vs. LHP)+(Career wRC+ vs. LHP)]/2, except in the cases of Burroughs, Blanco, and KJ, as noted above.

 

IF you think these provide a decent way to predict each player's future platoon split performance, and that's a HUGE "IF", and you're trying to come up with a bat-only lineup, these are the guys you want starting. When facing ONLY lefties, benching Drew for Willie Bloomquist at SS, benching Parra for Xavier Nady (even with the defensive advantage, Parra is traditionally terrible against lefties), and benching Miguel Montero for Henry Blanco actually makes sense. What about Melvin Mora? Well, remember how we calculated KJ's regressed split differently? Mora's numbers are buoyed by having had a pretty good career, but if we followed the same rule for Kelly Johnson that we did for most other starters, (using a straight average of this season and career, rather than just career) KJ has an 82 wRC+ against 6 LHPAs, and an 86 wRC+ against 5 LHPAs and 1 RHPAs. That still puts him barely above Mora (85) when he faces a righty once, but if all PAs are against lefties, RyRo (128) moves over to 2B, and Mora (89) starts at 3B, leaving KJ's 82 on the bench. In case you're wondering, that gives us a lineup of:

  1. Miranda, 1B, 157
  2. Upton, RF, 152
  3. CY, CF, 131
  4. RyRo, 2B, 128
  5. Blanco, C, 94
  6. Miggy, 91
  7. Nady, LF, 89
  8. Mora, 3B 89
  9. Willie B, SS, 86
  10. Drew, 85
  11. KJ, 82
  12. Burroughs, 67
  13. Parra, 61

Note, also, that Willie B, in this case, would be the better-hitting 2B. Another way of looking at this lineup is that this should be our starting lineup against a lefty starter, with Miggy, KJ, and Drew first off the bench to pinch hit.

Look familiar? That's Kirk Gibson's exact lineup on June 8th against the Pirates. Gibson even followed my advice and used KJ and Drew to pinch hit in the 8th, after Maholm left. They then replaced Mora and Bloomquist in the field, with Roberts moving over from 2B to 3B. Parra came in later and played LF, and Nady moved to 1B, upgrading both positions defensively. While Gibson didn't use Miggy to pinch hit, it's understandable why he didn't: he's the only pure catcher left on the bench, and Blanco is old and rickety.

 

So, now what?

 

This whole thing was a little funky, and the results are quite arbitrary and contrived. There are plenty of issues with it, and it should only be considered an interesting thought experiment. I like to think that, if anything, this proves that there might be method to Kirk Gibson's madness, and that he wasn't just going "by the book" with his lineup against Maholm. Let it be noted that I honestly wasn't expecting anything CLOSE to these results before I started, and I'm just as surprised as you. Maybe even moreso.

 

Problems? Plenty. I think my "regressed splits" gave too much weight to career numbers for some people, (Mora, Burroughs, Parra, Drew, etc) and too much weight to small samples this season for others (Roberts, Miranda, etc). One could even make the argument that both are true in the case of Nady, with his weird reverse split this season being weighed equally with his pre-injury numbers. Kelly Johnson's numbers required a tough judgment call, too, and anyone might choose to do things differently. Also, I took players' overall splits, rather than using specific splits vs. RH starters, LH relievers, etc, and I didn't really touch pinch hitting, which is, of course, an important aspect of NL baseball. Also, again, this is ONLY going by hitting -- I don't even pretend to touch baserunning or fielding.

 

Are there any hard and fast conclusions we can draw? First, the obvious ones:

  • Justin Upton should NEVER SIT IN ANY GAME EVER.
  • Sean Burroughs should NEVER START ANY GAME EVER.
  • Juan Miranda should be our everyday starter at 1B, until he proves otherwise.
  • I spent WAY TOO MUCH TIME on this.

Now, some conclusions that maybe aren't so obvious?

  • Miguel Montero may be our best hitter against right-handed pitching.
  • Some of our lefty hitters really DO have some drastic platoon splits in their career.
  • This is especially true of Parra and Drew.
  • Xavier Nady probably isn't as bad an option in LF as we've all assumed, at least with the bat.
  • Platooning Miggy with "Hector" Blanco against lefties isn't the worst thing in the world.

Finally, and jinnah should be pleased to know this,

  • Willie Bloomquist could MAYBE start at SS instead of a healthy Stephen Drew. Occasionally. Maybe. ;-)

Thoughts? Complaints? Not too crazy about how I went about this? Please include them in your comments.

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You spent way to much time on that, and there are a lot of numbers in this article. Aside from that only one of the conclusions suprised me, and that was Nady being better in left than we thought. It is definatly food for thought.

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by imstillhungry95 on Jun 16, 2011 5:25 PM EDT reply actions  

*definitely

Also, yeah to everything else.

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by jinnah on Jun 16, 2011 5:37 PM EDT up reply actions  

What about picking up a 3B and

platooning RyRo and Drew with RyRo getting additional starting time?

Days until Aug. 18: 135

by Reynolds rapper on Jun 16, 2011 5:29 PM EDT reply actions  

RyRo

has 34 games at SS in his entire professional career, and only 145 chances.

He’s played SS once in the majors, this year, for 3 innings, and didn’t field a single ball.

I suppose it’s an option, if he has the arm to play 3B and the range and mobility to play 2B.

If we want to platoon him somewhere, it may make more sense to put him at LF.

HEY, FRENCHY! STAR TREK OR STAR WARS?

by DbacksSkins on Jun 16, 2011 6:23 PM EDT up reply actions  

You have flexibility where to play him as long as it makes sense to with his bat.

It’s just that I think that if you are in a “win now” mode, you need at least one more bat since the Giants are about par for playoff pitching,

Days until Aug. 18: 135

by Reynolds rapper on Jun 16, 2011 10:52 PM EDT up reply actions  

Montero/Blanco

Factor in that Montero should be given episodic days off as a catcher, so starting Blanco against a tough leftie makes sense at times.

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by pygalgia on Jun 16, 2011 5:34 PM EDT reply actions  

For me it's simple.

Start Nady for Parra or Miranda when a lefty is on the mound. Don’t sit both of them at the same time. The same goes for Johnson and Drew with Bloomquist.

by txzona on Jun 16, 2011 5:42 PM EDT reply actions  

first

the format is off? At least on my computer. Makes it hard to read. Not that I did much more than skim, because the sheer volume of numbers in this is enough to make my eyes roll back into my head.

Second, YAY, you sort of said something nice about Willie B, aka, the most wonderful player ever – comments on this statement will be read and promptly ignored, by the way.

Third – seriously, that Platoon picture is being back awful memories of actually having to watch that movie, and aren’t you supposed to be, ya know, working?

we want frenchy!

by jinnah on Jun 16, 2011 5:42 PM EDT reply actions  

I scheduled it

to be posted. Didn’t write it all today.

HEY, FRENCHY! STAR TREK OR STAR WARS?

by DbacksSkins on Jun 16, 2011 6:08 PM EDT up reply actions  

Also,

ugh… I hate SBN formatting. Never could get the hang of it.

HEY, FRENCHY! STAR TREK OR STAR WARS?

by DbacksSkins on Jun 16, 2011 6:24 PM EDT up reply actions  

What's wrong with the movie Platoon?

I liked it. Barnes and Elias rivalry, Taylor’s coming of age story, Bunny’s brutality, Francis’s cowardice turning to bravery in the last scene, and then back to cowardice after he stabs himself in the leg. And the ending had a nice close to it. One of my favorite war films, I would put only Paths of Glory and Full Metal Jacket above it.

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by BulldogsNotZags on Jun 16, 2011 7:56 PM EDT up reply actions  

Good movie, but overrated.

Also, SPOILER ALERT FOR THE ABOVE POST

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by DbacksSkins on Jun 16, 2011 8:10 PM EDT up reply actions  

Yeah I guess I should have put a spoiler alert in there.

Though I’m not sure people would be worried about me spoiling the part about Francis, he’s an ancillary character at best.

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by BulldogsNotZags on Jun 16, 2011 8:30 PM EDT up reply actions  

Yeah I guess I should have put a spoiler alert in there.

Though I’m not sure people would be worried about me spoiling the part about Francis, he’s an ancillary character at best.

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by BulldogsNotZags on Jun 16, 2011 8:31 PM EDT up reply actions  

Sean Burroughs should NEVER START PLAY IN ANY GAME EVER.

Fixed it for you.

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by kishi on Jun 16, 2011 5:57 PM EDT reply actions  

One thing to note

Some of the platoon numbers this year are based on pretty small sample size. Over his career, Nady’s splits are “normal”, in that he handles righties worse than lefties. Same is true with Miranda, whose minor-league numbers against LHP were less than impressive.

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by Jim McLennan on Jun 16, 2011 5:59 PM EDT reply actions  

I don't

wanna even come CLOSE to calling this definitive, or getting too heavily into projections, and those are a few reasons why.

In case anyone’s wondering, Nady’s career splits are 113 against lefties and 98 against righties.

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by DbacksSkins on Jun 16, 2011 6:33 PM EDT up reply actions  

Those #s are

wRC+, incidentally.

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by DbacksSkins on Jun 16, 2011 6:33 PM EDT up reply actions  

And yeah.

Miranda’s numbers come in just 48 PAs vs. lefties, 36 this year. 198 vs. righties, 116 this season.

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by DbacksSkins on Jun 16, 2011 6:40 PM EDT up reply actions  

Is there a source that has minor league splits

They should be more telling than the handful of PAs he’s had in the majors.

I miss minorleaguesplits.com :(

by paqs on Jun 16, 2011 6:44 PM EDT up reply actions  

I was gonna say...

minorleaguesplits.com was the best, but I’m not sure now. I’m sure there is. BA? BP? Someone’s gotta have ’em.

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by DbacksSkins on Jun 16, 2011 6:51 PM EDT up reply actions  

Miranda's park-adjusted splits

Career Minors:
.371 OBP, .484 slugging, .855 OPS

Career Minors vs. RHP:
.392 OBP, .522 slugging, .914 OPS

Career Minors vs. LHP:
.253 OBP, .335 slugging, .588 OPS

Eeep. That’s what we should expect him to trend towards.

Don’t necessarily look at it as a .588 OPS being bad. Look at it as a .588 OPS being really bad compared to a .914 OPS vs. righties.

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by DbacksSkins on Jun 16, 2011 8:15 PM EDT up reply actions  

.588 Is Bad

bordering on awful, especially since these are minor league numbers.

Noone with an OBP below .300 should ever be allowed to play first base (or any position, except perhaps C and SS and then only if an outstanding defender)

by fjm235 on Jun 16, 2011 8:32 PM EDT up reply actions  

Thanks

Anyway, he can NOT face lefties.

by paqs on Jun 17, 2011 7:26 PM EDT up reply actions  

Platooning only works

When the guy with the platoon advantage hits better than the guy with the platoon disadvantage .. Mora and Bloomquist should only play in emergencies.

Also, if we’re looking for a platoon partner for Parra, we should maybe CHECK OUR AAA TEAM. There’s like 5 viable choices there.

by paqs on Jun 16, 2011 6:39 PM EDT reply actions  

Speaking of Parra

I know he’s a good fielder, but I’d still platoon him against lefties and righties :D

by paqs on Jun 16, 2011 6:49 PM EDT up reply actions  

So…. given all this…… Mora should play every single day, right?

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by GuruB on Jun 16, 2011 6:46 PM EDT reply actions  

A couple other points

- the Dbacks are as LH dominant as any team in the majors. I didn’t go through each team but the DBacks primary starter is LH at 5 of 8 positions. That has to be high.
- the primary starters aren’t going to start every game. They have to sit some time.
- of the 4 LH who have significant playing time, only Kelly Johnson has a reverse career platoon split (Juan Miranda does as well but only 48 PA against lefties so far, however he has flat raked against lefties so far)
- if they’re going to sit, it might as well be against a lefty.

by golfmanthee on Jun 16, 2011 8:06 PM EDT reply actions  

I would suggest a thorough reading of "The Book"

Specifically the chapter on matchups.

The things to take into account in order of importance are

1.) Handedness of the hitter and pitcher: Use league wide split data as your starting point.

2.) Actual record of the hitter and pitcher vs. LH and RH opponent
(Use at least a 3 yr sample, more if available) Be wary of small sample sizes. Very wary in the case of reverse splits. They seldom hold up over a longer period of time.

3.) Balls in play profile*

In general, Fly ball pitchers have more overall sucess against fly ball hitters, as despite the HR possibility, they will get more outs. (Outs per BIP rates on FB are very high……)

And Groundball pitchers OWN groundball hitters.

4.) Actual record of hitters vs. pitcher type i.e. Gb, Neutral, FB. (available at BB-ref splits section) because splits carve up the sample size, bigger is better….but…you have to be aware of trends too…such as an aging hitter trending towards being more of a GB hitter….which is common.

5.) The least likely thing to be predictive of future H2H matchups is past H2H matchup data. This should only be considered as a “tiebreaker” if all else is equal. And even then, it’s better to just go with your gut rather than using H2H data.

I’ve done a lot of work in the past doing matchup grids for pitcher and hitter types based on these factors, and came up with a weighting system. It was pretty involved, and it was pretty accurate too, (as accurate as these things can be from game to game).

In any given game you can look like a genius or an idiot, but over the long haul, taking these factors into account and weighting them properly WILL improve production. The problem is running a team day to day based on this is not always practical. Players are human, with human emotions, and being yanked in and out of the lineup because “the computer gotcha” can create more problems than the advantages may be worth. And at the end of the day, the manager is not going to adhere to this type of system in a stict enough manner for it to show it’s advantage over the long haul, which is the only way it can work……..sticking to it over the long haul.

The worst major leaguer is better at baseball than I'll ever be at anything I ever do in my life.

by shoewizard on Jun 16, 2011 8:13 PM EDT reply actions   3 recs

Hmmm....

lotta good information here. Good stuff.

HEY, FRENCHY! STAR TREK OR STAR WARS?

by DbacksSkins on Jun 16, 2011 8:30 PM EDT up reply actions  

By the way

“The Book” for those not familiar, referes to this:

http://www.insidethebook.com/ee/

The worst major leaguer is better at baseball than I'll ever be at anything I ever do in my life.

by shoewizard on Jun 16, 2011 9:59 PM EDT up reply actions  

I assumed.

Haven’t read it yet, but I do love Tom Tango’s work.

HEY, FRENCHY! STAR TREK OR STAR WARS?

by DbacksSkins on Jun 17, 2011 2:54 PM EDT up reply actions  

great breakdown

i particularly think 3) Balls in play profile

is underused. i know that i almost never look at it, and it’s actually a really important indicator of potential success, and maximizing lineup construction. same type pitchers own same type hitters, i think, is the important lesson here.

by blue bulldog on Jun 17, 2011 2:25 AM EDT up reply actions  

I'm still not convinced

we should ever be sitting Drew just because there is a lefty pitching. As you saw from the next game a lefty pitched in FLA, we played Drew. And he went 3-4. Yeah, feel free to give the guy a day off now and then. Really, the problem is that taking out Drew, KJ, Miggy and Parra all in one game still sounds like lunacy. And until we do it again with totally different results than the Jun 8th game, I will not believe otherwise.*

*This is assuming we still have our current roster of backup players.

by SongBird on Jun 17, 2011 1:35 AM EDT reply actions  

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