Diamondbacks Farm Round-Up 6/9: Fleeing From Pittsburgh Edition
The D-backs finally get to leave Pittsburgh after a rough three-game set against the Pirates, but at least we salvaged the last game of the series. There's more good news down on the farm today, as the team's best prospects continue playing spectacularly, particularly at the talent hotbed of Double-A Mobile. Yet another SotD comes from the BayBears today, courtesy of this delightful pitching line:
Snakelet of the Day:
Patrick Corbin (Double-A): 8 IP, 4 H, 1 ER, 10:1 K:BB, 6:5 GO:AO
But there was another stellar performance in the late-night game in Rancho Cucamonga tonight, and I really can't determine which effort is more impressive. So I'm going to have to give another one to:
Snakelet of the Day:
David Nick (Hi-A): 4-5, 2B, HR
Triple-A: Reno 6, Colorado Springs 13. (36-25) A solid day on the mound from Matt Torra was spoiled by Torra being sent back out for a seventh inning after giving up just three runs through six innings. Torra finished the seventh inning, but gave up three more runs in doing so giving him the unsightly line of seven innings pitched and six runs allowed on nine hits and two homers, although with a nice 5:0 K:BB ratio. Granted, the bullpen didn't fare much better, as Rafael Rodriguez gave up two runs and put a runner on second before recording the first out of the eighth inning, and five runs in the 2/3 of an inning he worked, putting the game out of reach. At the plate, Wily Mo Pena hit his 18th home run of the year, Brandon Allen added two doubles and a walk, and Collin Cowgill went 4-5 with a double of his own.
Double-A: Mobile 4, Birmingham 1. (36-25) The star of the day was Corbin, whose work on the pitcher's mound has been absolutely dominant since a rough outing on May 19. Since that start, Corbin has now pitched 27.2 shutout innings over four starts, with an incredible 30:6 K:BB ratio in that span. With this latest start, Corbin lowered his ERA below 4 to 3.96 in 12 starts, with a 66:16 K:BB ratio on the year in 72.2 innings pitched. With Charles Brewer out with a broken hand and Jarrod Parker on strict innings limits, Corbin may be seventh on the organization's starting pitching depth chart behind the current starting five and Micah Owings. Your Daily Goldschmidt: Goldschmidt Happened yet again, with Paul clobbering his 21st home run of the season in the top of the first inning to give Mobile a quick 2-0 lead that Corbin would never relinquish. Goldschmidt also bothered to steal a base while he was at it as part of a double steal in the fifth inning. Paul finished the night 1-2 with that homer and a pair of walks, one of which was intentional. A.J. Pollock, Jacob Elmore, and Ed Easley each had doubles, and Easley chipped in a pair of singles to boot.
Hi-A: Visalia 3, Rancho Cucamonga 4. (27-32) The star of the night for the Rawhide was the second baseman Nick, who was responsible for two of the three runs scored by the Rawhide. Jon Mark Owings also added a solo homer on the same night that his brother Micah notched a key base hit in the bigs. Unfortunately, starter Eric Smith only went five innings, somehow surrendering just two runs (one earned) in spite of a 2:4 K:BB ratio and allowing a home run. His saving grace was his 9:1 GO:AO ratio, but relievers Victor Capellan and Taylor Sinclair eached allowed a run in 1.1 and 1.2 innings of work, respectively, to give the Quakes the win.
Low-A: South Bend 5, Burlington 0. (31-29) Another fantastic start from left-hander David Holmberg, who gave up just two hits in six shutout innings with six strikeouts and no walks. Holmberg lowered his ERA to an incredible 2.87 with this start, and has officially proved just about all he can in Low-A ball. I'd be shocked if he wasn't at Hi-A after the minor-league all-star break. The Silver Hawks also got a rare offensive outburst, as Zach Walters went 1-3 with a double - his 16th of the year - and a walk, Ramon Castillo hit his fourth home run of the year and stole a base, and Raywilly Gomez went 2-3 with a walk and a stolen base.
DSL: D-backs 6, Cubs1 3. (3-5) 19-year-old second baseman Jesse Liriano went 3-4 with a double to lead the DSL-backs offensive punch, and the bullpen worked 5.2 scoreless innings of relief.
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Nice........
Gotta love many of the individual performances we’re seeing this summer at the minor league levels. Corbin, Holmberg, Schuster, Goldsmith, Cowgill, Skaggs, Roemer, Eaton……….it’s a long summer but some very impressive progress being made by several prospects. Will be interesting to see who gets moved around based on performance and with the new crop of signees. Nice to see our minor league teams winning games which was not necessarily the case last year.
how on earth
is Cowgill not on the ML roster?
what will it take to get this guy playing time?
But where do they play him?
The outfield is pretty good right now. He’s not tall enough for first base, either.
"If you give a Russian schoolboy a chart of heavenly bodies, he will make corrections." Dostoevsky
by NASCARbernet on Jun 10, 2011 12:21 PM EDT up reply actions
bench
to be used as a fourth outfielder
by blue bulldog on Jun 10, 2011 12:33 PM EDT up reply actions
And that is why he's not on the ballclub
he benefits more from playing regularly than sitting on the bench waiting for a pinch hit appearance. Heaven forbid an injury, but that would be the only way he’s called up. The bench pinch hitter is usually a crafty veteran, sorry to say.
"If you give a Russian schoolboy a chart of heavenly bodies, he will make corrections." Dostoevsky
by NASCARbernet on Jun 10, 2011 1:23 PM EDT up reply actions
What is there to benefit from
from tearing up AAA at age 25?
he’s done. there’s nothing left to learn.
and if by crafty you had a typo and meant crappy, then yes i agree
by blue bulldog on Jun 10, 2011 1:41 PM EDT up reply actions
Take it up with KT
who is obviously a lot worse than JB is, in the view of some Pit regulars.
"If you give a Russian schoolboy a chart of heavenly bodies, he will make corrections." Dostoevsky
by NASCARbernet on Jun 10, 2011 1:42 PM EDT up reply actions
Does he really benefit from coming up to be the 4th outfielder?
Roberts and Nady seem to have that covered pretty well and he’s not gonna take a whole lot of time away from Parra who ESPN has ranked as the best defending outfielder in baseball right now.
I don’t see how calling him up helps us right now.
That's my sense, too
"If you give a Russian schoolboy a chart of heavenly bodies, he will make corrections." Dostoevsky
by NASCARbernet on Jun 10, 2011 1:48 PM EDT up reply actions
Only thing I can see coming out of a callup now is...
We’d be possibly showcasing him to other teams as a possible trading chip for some more bullpen help.
So, who is most likely to be The Trade Bait
Wily Mo or Cowgill?
"If you give a Russian schoolboy a chart of heavenly bodies, he will make corrections." Dostoevsky
by NASCARbernet on Jun 10, 2011 1:55 PM EDT up reply actions
Wily Mo has been to the bigs and hasn't really done anything.
I think there some teams out there that would be interested in seeing if Cowgil could do something up here.
okay
1) if he doesn’t benefit from being in AAA (unless someone can show me that he actually does benefit from being in AAA) then calling him up isn’t going to hurt his development
2) our bench sucks. Nady is not good. Roberts is our starter. Bloomquist is not good. Neither is Mora. Cowgill would be a huge boost off the bench relative to these other guys.
by blue bulldog on Jun 10, 2011 2:03 PM EDT up reply actions
OR
he could tank against major league pitching, thus killing any trade value he may have.
"If you give a Russian schoolboy a chart of heavenly bodies, he will make corrections." Dostoevsky
by NASCARbernet on Jun 10, 2011 2:05 PM EDT up reply actions
only KW
would let 50-100 PA affect the way he thought about a batter
most GM’s aren’t that stupid
by blue bulldog on Jun 10, 2011 2:07 PM EDT up reply actions
Who is KW?
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by NASCARbernet on Jun 10, 2011 2:10 PM EDT up reply actions
Ah, thanks.
I need to go, see at you gametime?
"If you give a Russian schoolboy a chart of heavenly bodies, he will make corrections." Dostoevsky
by NASCARbernet on Jun 10, 2011 2:15 PM EDT up reply actions
if i can wake up in time...
wish me luck
by blue bulldog on Jun 10, 2011 2:20 PM EDT up reply actions
Good luck!
and see you then!
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by imstillhungry95 on Jun 10, 2011 2:28 PM EDT up reply actions
I don't think
He’s really that big of a trade chip for us.
He belongs in the major leagues.
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by Dan Strittmatter on Jun 10, 2011 4:58 PM EDT up reply actions
We benefit
Roberts isn’t an outfielder, and Nady isn’t as good in my opinion.
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by Dan Strittmatter on Jun 10, 2011 4:56 PM EDT up reply actions
I would
almost rather promote Wily Mo Peña before Cowgill. See if he’s worth anything, showcase him as possible trade bait,
HEY, FRENCHY! STAR TREK OR STAR WARS?
i agree with pyro
don’t think anybody buys Wily Mo anymore
but Cowgill is a legit prospect. a starting CF on a bad team, a damn good 4th outfielder on a good team
i’d like to believe we’re one of the latters
by blue bulldog on Jun 10, 2011 2:21 PM EDT up reply actions
Goldschmidt's Current Stats
61 games
77 hits
21 HRs
.350/.471/.705/1.176
He’s 23 years old. Played college ball before he went to the minors. Bring the kid up, already!!!
Kevin Towers was saying that when he comes up he is going to play
So unless they release Nady or Miranda gets injured then there is really no reason to call him up.
How about
To play INSTEAD of Nady or Miranda?
by Craig from Az on Jun 10, 2011 1:35 PM EDT up reply actions
We could
get rid of Nady and Mora and call up Cowgill as the RH platoon OF and Goldschmidt as the RH platoon 1B.
I hope we don’t, though.
HEY, FRENCHY! STAR TREK OR STAR WARS?
If we're going to just platoon him
Then I’d just as soon wait until the September call-ups. Not sure what you have to do in the minors to convince people you deserve an every day shot in the majors, though…
by Craig from Az on Jun 10, 2011 4:15 PM EDT up reply actions
Honestly cannot wait to see Goldy
face off against the likes of Bumgarner, Kershaw, etc…….
real test of legitimacy
Goldy has just been killing lefties this year
by blue bulldog on Jun 10, 2011 6:56 PM EDT up reply actions
This
I think he could be toxic to Bumgarner. The quality of Kershaw’s FB is a bit worrying, but I think Goldie can certainly hold his own against Kershaw as much as anyone else.
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by Dan Strittmatter on Jun 10, 2011 7:02 PM EDT up reply actions
Miranda is good?
http://hasthelargehadroncolliderdestroyedtheworldyet.com/
by Dan Strittmatter on Jun 10, 2011 4:58 PM EDT up reply actions
When are they gonna start thinking about moving Goldy up to AAA?
Seems like he’s proved he can hit in AA… Time to move him up.
That's a really good question
is there a substantial improvement in pitching from AA to AAA? There certainly is from AA to the Big Leagues.
"If you give a Russian schoolboy a chart of heavenly bodies, he will make corrections." Dostoevsky
by NASCARbernet on Jun 10, 2011 1:41 PM EDT up reply actions
I would think so...but not entirely sure.
I think it would hurt a bit cause our AAA is a hitters league but he’d be seeing more major league ready pitchers than he is right now.
Well, from what I understood
AA is for the talented up and comers, and AAA is for ‘on the shelf with nowhere to go’ veterans.
"If you give a Russian schoolboy a chart of heavenly bodies, he will make corrections." Dostoevsky
by NASCARbernet on Jun 10, 2011 1:58 PM EDT up reply actions
That's a good point too.
Maybe he benefits more from playing where he is at now. Most pitchers he’d be facing there are going to be more of the professional minor leaguer types.
i think that sense is overrated
there are some talented pitchers in AAA. there are some talented pitchers in AA.
by blue bulldog on Jun 10, 2011 2:04 PM EDT up reply actions
Well, it would seem to me that the optimal placement
would be the one that best mirrors big league pitching, defense and conditions. I’m not sure which one that would be.
"If you give a Russian schoolboy a chart of heavenly bodies, he will make corrections." Dostoevsky
by NASCARbernet on Jun 10, 2011 2:06 PM EDT up reply actions
not entirely....
yes to defense and pitching…..conditions don’t matter as much because the major leagues have such a diverse set of ballparks
defense is almost assuredly better at AAA than at AA. there are a lot of talented pitchers at both levels. at this point, some of the talent at AAA is diluted because a lot of would-be AAA pitchers have been promoted.
i think the whole sentiment that AA pitchers is where people stash their best prospects is a little overexaggerated. if you look at most prospects, they still get some AAA time before being promoted to the bigs. all of KC’s top prospects that have been promoted to the bigs have gone through AAA (Duffy, Hosmer, Moose). Rizzo went through AAA. Julio Teheran is at AAA. Michael Pineda didn’t skip AAA either (though he was there last year).
the death of AAA prospects has definitely been a myth imo.
by blue bulldog on Jun 10, 2011 2:12 PM EDT up reply actions
"...death," or "...dearth..."?
"If you give a Russian schoolboy a chart of heavenly bodies, he will make corrections." Dostoevsky
by NASCARbernet on Jun 10, 2011 2:16 PM EDT up reply actions
I feel like
AAA has more soft tossing crafty pitchers while AA pitchers would have better raw pitches but do not know how to pitch per say
Interesting, thanks.
"If you give a Russian schoolboy a chart of heavenly bodies, he will make corrections." Dostoevsky
by NASCARbernet on Jun 10, 2011 2:16 PM EDT up reply actions
no AAA pitching prospect i just listed above
is a soft tossing crafty pitcher
okay. one problem is that right now the minor leagues just don’t have that many talented pitching prospects still around. a lot of the talent in the minors have just graduated. this is especially true for the PCL, where the best pitching prospects (KC’s) are either injured, graduated (this also includes Jordan Lyles), or just plain sucking for some reason.
but really the Southern League doesn’t have too many amazing prospects either. it’s really just Matt Moore (who should be in AAA, except he pitches for the Rays, and will be in AAA next year) and Randall Delgado. i mean, there’s also Jarrod Parker, but it’s not like we really face him ever.
by blue bulldog on Jun 10, 2011 2:20 PM EDT up reply actions
A lot of talent
in general has just been called up, simply to keep them from being Super-2s.
HEY, FRENCHY! STAR TREK OR STAR WARS?
The consensus seems to be
that the toughest jump of all is from Hi-A to Double-A, and he’s actually IMPROVED on his season last year.
HEY, FRENCHY! STAR TREK OR STAR WARS?
I think it'll happen
After the minor-league all-star break.
http://hasthelargehadroncolliderdestroyedtheworldyet.com/
by Dan Strittmatter on Jun 10, 2011 5:00 PM EDT up reply actions
ARE YOU F'ING MAD
WHAT THE 1#$%&* IS WRONG WITH YOU
GO BECOME A CUBS FAN NOW
by blue bulldog on Jun 10, 2011 2:23 PM EDT up reply actions
was going to say something along the lines of "go kill yourself" or something
but thought “become a cubs fan” might actually be worse…
by blue bulldog on Jun 10, 2011 2:23 PM EDT up reply actions
It is
much more insulting. If someone told me to do that, I might just kill myself anyway
Bryan J. Boltik is the future of baseball!
by imstillhungry95 on Jun 10, 2011 2:28 PM EDT up reply actions
Hmmm...
Barry Enright wasn’t kidding, I guess, when he tweeted that pitching at Colorado Springs isn’t fun.
HEY, FRENCHY! STAR TREK OR STAR WARS?
Also
is Jon Mark Owings really Micah’s brother? I think Fisher was asking me about that.
HEY, FRENCHY! STAR TREK OR STAR WARS?
i know one of the Owings
in our system is related, not sure which
Any video highlights of Goldie?
Looked around youtube and it’s mostly interviews. I want to see some game film of him in action. Besides the ST homerun there’s nothing.
Yeah, there's nothing
It’s pretty depressing.
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by Dan Strittmatter on Jun 10, 2011 5:02 PM EDT up reply actions
http://arizona.diamondbacks.mlb.com/video/play.jsp?content_id=13126493
Is the only one with the camera angle from behind the mound. It looks like he barely swings with 1 arm and it goes 400+
Not sure where his power scale ranks but it looks on par with Reynolds…
His raw power
Has to be either a 75 or 80 on the 20-80 scale.
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by Dan Strittmatter on Jun 10, 2011 6:02 PM EDT up reply actions
really rare to ever give an 80
Harper supposedly has a future 80 power on the scouting scale….
gotta imagine Goldy’s AT LEAST a 70 though
by blue bulldog on Jun 10, 2011 6:58 PM EDT up reply actions
Yeah, it's really rare, also see: Stanton, Mike.
I’d be inclined to say 75. Goldie is a really rare power hitting prospect… and that’s raw power, not game power. Heck, though, C.J. Freaking Cron has 80 raw power. Who knows?
http://hasthelargehadroncolliderdestroyedtheworldyet.com/
by Dan Strittmatter on Jun 10, 2011 7:02 PM EDT up reply actions
I have a short video of him hitting a HR in ST (not the one Jim recorded)
I will see if I can find it.
Per Mare, Per Terras
Nope.
Videos of Parker and of Skaggs. I thought I had one of Goldy doubling or HRing.
Per Mare, Per Terras
Camera angle.
http://hasthelargehadroncolliderdestroyedtheworldyet.com/
by Dan Strittmatter on Jun 10, 2011 6:43 PM EDT up reply actions
If you mean where I was sitting,
for the Skaggs ones at least I was upper deck at TEP right above home plate.
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