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The Talking Schtick: Diamondbacks Bullpen Roles

Starter? Closer? You decide...

One of the things which will be sorted out over the next four weeks are the roles to be played by the Diamondbacks relief corps - and, hopefully, those roles won't be the "comic relief" ones played in 2010. Well, I'm sure opposing fans found them highly amusing - personally, I'd rather sit through an Adam Sandler/Robin Williams marathon. This year, I'm looking for something more like The Expendables, with a host of hard-nosed mofos coming out of the bullpen to chew bubblegum and kick ass. And if they're all out of bubblegum, that's entirely fine by me.

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I was going to do whole thing, comparing each member of the 'pen to a cast member of The Expendables, but it just never gelled. I don't think we have a Jason Statham or a Dolph Lundgren rattling around down there. Though J.J. Putz does have something of a Mickey Rourke about him, a grizzled veteran who has been through adversity and come out the other side. Though I don't recall Rourke having a fondness for delivering shaving-cream pies to the faces of his co-actors. Yeah, this is one of those ideas which, in the cold light of day, will be quietly consigned to the SnakePit garbage-can.

Putz, however, has been notable by his absence from games this season, and is not scheduled to appear in one until next week. He's in camp, throwing bullpen sessions, and there's no apparent health issues: Putz just doesn't need that much work to get ready, telling Nick Piecoro that he needs only eight or nine innings to be ready. Kirk Gibson doesn't mind: "He knows what he has to do, he's throwing the ball great, he's lights-out. He's going to do bullpens and he likes to do a lot of long toss. He wants to build his arm strength. Different people like to do it different ways."

No such ease for those hoping to precede Putz in the seventh and eighth innings. So far, the most impressive veru early performances appear to have come from David Hernandez, who has pitched three innings, with a single and a walk the only things between him and perfection. He has been looking to add a change-up to his repertoire, to go with his fastball and slider. "Right now, I feel like I have a grip that’s going to be comfortable to throw and have confidence in... It’s going to be a key pitch if I can get that pitch over during the season." Actually, if his third pitch blossoms, turn him back into a starter, which he was in 27 of his first 28 major-league games, up until last May.

Maybe we can just abandon the concept of a relief corps, and go with a 12-man rotation instead? For the quest of Aaron Heilman to become a starter has started off very impressively, with just one hit and no walks allowed in five innings of work, including three perfect innings yesterday against the Mariners. And the hit was subsequently erased on a double-play, so Aaron has faced the minimum 15 to date. Yeah, I know - beating up on the Mariners offense is like defeating your kid sister at arm wrestling, but if Heilman keeps up this level of performance, it's going to be hard to argue against him getting a rotation spot in April. Here's what he told Jack Magruder:

I still think of myself as a starter. I still feel like I have the stuff to do, am physically able to do it and can handle the workload. It's been a while, but things feel good. Sometimes how you would like to be used doesn't always fit in to the needs of the team. You keep working on the things that you want to do and where you want to get to. At the end on the day, you go out there and compete. That's what it's all about and that's why we're all here...  By no means is it going to be easy, but I feel like I have just as good of a shot as the next guy. That's all I've ever wanted, to have a legitimate shot, and see if I can go out and win a job

Things haven't gone so smoothly for Juan Gutierrez, whose two appearances to date have resulted in three hits, two walks and four earned runs. A small plus is, he hasn't allowed any homers, which were the bane of his existence in the first half of last year. An article at the start of spring credited the improvement shown later in the year to a move to the third-base side of the rubber, suggested by former pitching coach Mel Stottlemyre Jr. Whether that will carry forward to this season, remains to be seen - however, at this point, he seems to have fallen behind Hernandez as our eighth-inning guy.

At the back end of the bullpen, rumblings that we may be unhappy with the southpaw options available. Nick reports "Folks with other clubs are saying the Diamondbacks are looking around for some left-handed relief help, though its unclear whether this is to add to the 'pen, or replace one of the current candidates. Joe Paterson, our Rule 5 pick, had a solid frame against the Mariners yesterday, giving him two scoreless innings, with a walk and two K's. Mike Hampton has been a bit up and down: while also putting up two zeroes, and fanning three, he has allowed three hits, two walks and hit a batter. Jordan Norberto has walked three in his two innings - so business as usual there.

Piecoro also mentions the club may be looking to trade Carlos Rosa [Tony Abreu is mentioned as available too], saying "You can understand both why scouts would like him – and why the Diamondbacks would be willing to move him. He was throwing 93-94 mph yesterday and is often up to 95-96 mph. But his slider is notoriously inconsistent – nasty one day, flat the next." I think 33 walks in 60 innings, between the major- and minor-league levels last year, are likely a significant factor in his availability. Still, easy come, easy go: to get Rosa, we traded a shortstop (Rey Navarro), who had a .599 OPS at the High-A level last year. If we get better than that, we're ahead on the deal.

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Where should Aaron Heilman work?
Seventh inning
30 votes
Eighth inning
20 votes
Ninth inning
0 votes
The rotation
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I must admit, I was very wary about Heilman being a starter after 5 years of being a relief guy,

but if he continues to be good and doesn’t break down by the end of the month I say we give him the shot.

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by justin1985 on Mar 3, 2011 11:09 AM EST reply actions  

The key will come

As I think it was Greg Salvatore who noted, when Heilman has to face the same line-up more than once. He’s a career reliever: he should be able to get a batter out once. But does he have the armory to get them out once they’ve seen him? That’s the acid test.

"While Mrs. SnakePit watched one of the most highly acclaimed films of the year, I sat through a badly made schlock fest with absolutely no redeeming value. And it was awesome."

by Jim McLennan on Mar 3, 2011 11:19 AM EST up reply actions   1 recs

It's also mentioned on Nick's blog

When the starters start throwing 6-7 innings is where it’ll get interesting. I’m hoping the guy can keep it up – he’s been awesome so far, and another rotation asset would be great.

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by Dan Strittmatter on Mar 3, 2011 12:18 PM EST up reply actions  

The "face the same line-up more than once"

has no basis in fact. He pitched a 1 hit shutout just before he was sentenced to the pen, where he mostly used his 95- 97 mph fastball and +change up. To start he needed to redevelop his slider, which he has done over the last 2 years. So far it seems to be working.

http://www.metstoday.com/5915/10-11-offseason/free-agent-focus-aaron-heilman/

by xmet on Mar 4, 2011 7:00 AM EST up reply actions  

95-97 mph?

I agree with you that the Mets should have given Heilman a chance to start, but I don’t think he’s ever had a fastball consistently clocked in the 95-97 mph range. Looking at his fastball data on FanGraphs, he’s been consistently around 92 mph. And pitchers usually throw harder coming out of the bullpen that as a starter.

by Amit on Mar 4, 2011 10:26 AM EST up reply actions  

Didn't mean to imply that he consistently hit 95-97

only that he could and did throw that hard at least through 2008. He did hit 95 several times last year.
His fast ball has a lot more movement in the 91-93 range, which is where it is is most of the time.

by xmet on Mar 4, 2011 10:11 PM EST up reply actions  

It has basis in theory

Considering that he’s been a ‘pen arm since 2005 (IIRC). These are things that don’t suddenly reappear when you want them to – he has to make sure that the polish on his slider is still there, and that he can maintain velocity deep into games again. For someone who said that Heilman was overworked last year in the ‘pen, do you think it’s going to be less of a workload when he’s starting?

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by Dan Strittmatter on Mar 4, 2011 1:13 PM EST up reply actions  

I don't disagree with the theory, especially when

fatigue is considered, and not just opponent familiarity. My point was that the pundits who attempt to down play his chances of starting because of that are all wet.
 
As far as workload goes, starting with 4 days of rest can be a lot easier than warming up almost every day and pitching full innings 4 or more days a week. Different conditioning is required, one is like a sprinter, the other a long distance runner.

Heilman is the ONLY pitcher in MLB to be in 70 or more games over the last 5 years, and most of the others that have high game counts are specialists who generally don’t pitch a full inning. I found the following from 2007 to be interesting, with several points of view on the subject.

http://www.mikesmets.com/2007/01/2007_bullpen_preview_aaron_hei.html

by xmet on Mar 4, 2011 10:34 PM EST up reply actions  

Hmmm...

interesting…

Mr. Science Boy

by DbacksSkins on Mar 6, 2011 11:20 PM EST up reply actions  

i said 7th inning

because he’ll work all the way up and then have hernandez and putz come in and seal the deal.

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by blank_38 on Mar 3, 2011 11:13 AM EST reply actions  

You obviously hate 'Merica, orphans and kittens :-)

"While Mrs. SnakePit watched one of the most highly acclaimed films of the year, I sat through a badly made schlock fest with absolutely no redeeming value. And it was awesome."

by Jim McLennan on Mar 3, 2011 11:20 AM EST up reply actions  

FOR. THE. WIN.

This year, I’m looking for something more like The Expendables, with a host of hard-nosed mofos coming out of the bullpen to chew bubblegum and kick ass. And if they’re all out of bubblegum, that’s entirely fine by me.

Also, Rey Navarro isn’t as bad of a prospect as that OPS (largely in the Cal) would suggest. But he still is a bad prospect…

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by Dan Strittmatter on Mar 3, 2011 11:52 AM EST reply actions  

at least 1/2 of the task of succeeding in baseball

is 50% mental. heilman has got the attitude & motivation to win the spot.

by brian custer on Mar 3, 2011 12:04 PM EST reply actions   1 recs

yeah

but that’s only 25%. How much is grit?

by Counsellmember on Mar 3, 2011 3:29 PM EST up reply actions  

In other words...

the doctors say he’s got a 50/50 chance of winning…of course, there’s only a 10% chance of that.

by Counsellmember on Mar 3, 2011 3:30 PM EST up reply actions  

Barring injury, he'll win it.

But at this point I’d let his performance do the talking, which at this point is pretty loud. And for the naked gunners:
“Uh… that’s a pretty tall order, (your choice). You’ll have to give me a couple of days on that one.”

by xmet on Mar 3, 2011 8:31 PM EST up reply actions  

This true because

with Hernandez when he was a starter he was in the range of 92-95mph and now when he was a reliever it spike all the way up 96-97mph touching 99mph against the Giants. But I agree with the writer above that if David locates a changeup and it work for him then there is no reason that he cold be a very good starter Not just a No.5 but possibly a No 3.

by orioole26 on Mar 4, 2011 11:14 AM EST reply actions  

Gutierrez

should we be concerned or is Hernandez our 8th inning. It just seems that Gutierrez can’t get anybody out, but it’s still early and he might be working on things so it’s really hard to gauge.

by Baseballdad on Mar 4, 2011 7:07 PM EST reply actions  

i've always considered hernandez our 8th inning guy

and don’t understand why media members think guti is that good….

by blue bulldog on Mar 5, 2011 12:39 AM EST up reply actions  

Takes too much time

for most of them to do any in depth thinking or analysis before plunking the keyboard. They get away with it (at least for a while) because a substantial part of the audience either accept it as the truth or immediately forget what they read.

by xmet on Mar 5, 2011 7:39 AM EST up reply actions  

Coach-Speak

One reason the media thinks Gutierrez is the 8th inning guy is because that’s what Kirk Gibson said before Spring Training. Now Gibson may have just said that so Guti’s confidence would not be hurt by going from closer all the way down to middle relief. But the media usually don’t want to challenge the managers and coaches.

by Amit on Mar 5, 2011 2:51 PM EST up reply actions  

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