The Talking Schtick: Diamondbacks Pause, Gasping For Breath
"We just can't continue to play that way, for sure. It's not frustrating. Things have a way of working themselves out. So we're here to find things out and sometimes we have to address them. We obviously have to be better than that. I mean that's terrible... We're disappointed to lose games like we've been losing them. We'll leave it at that. We'll come back on Tuesday, have a good meeting and we'll try to regroup. We've got almost 2 1/2 weeks and we'll get it turned around. They all know they have to be better."
-- Kirk Gibson
Ouch. That's probably a good way to sum up the first half of the Cactus League season for Arizona. While the Diamondacks offense has been decent, scoring five runs per game and batting .292, the same can't be said for the pitching. The team ERA there is 5.70, ranked 29th in the major-leagues, with opposing teams ratcheting up a collective OPS of .833 [to put that into context, Carlos Lee and Alfonso Soriano have a career OPS of .834]. This would be why we go into today's off-day with a 5-15 record, the worst of any franchise.
After the jump, we'll take a look at how the questions coming in are being answered, and what happened to other teams who did really badly in spring. Though maybe in a different order. Hey, got to make this exciting somehow, it is Pi Day after all...
The shape of things to come?
Here are the teams with the worst performance in spring, for each year since 2003. For each team, we've listed their pre-season record, what we need to do over the remaining 17 games (excluding the Chase exhibitions against Mexican sides) to have a better win percentage, and what the team's record was, in the year following the spring.
- 2003: Angels: 9-20 (7-10 to beat). Regular season: 77-85
- 2004: Phillies: 10-21 (7-10). Regular season: 86-76
- 2005: Marlins: 11-20 (9-8). Regular season: 83-79
- 2006: Nationals: 9-23 (6-11). Regular season: 71-91
- 2007: White Sox: 10-22 (7-10). Regular season: 72-90
- 2008: Giants: 9-23 (6-11). Regular season: 72-90
- 2009: D-backs: 11-23 (7-10). Regular season: 70-92
- 2010: Pirates: 7-21 (5-12). Regular season: 57-105
It's a bit of a good news, bad news situation. Good news: all of these teams fared better in the regular season, by at least a hundred points. Bad news: none of them made the play-offs. Good news: some of them had a record we'd be more than happy with. Bad news: during the past five years, the last-place team in spring hasn't finished higher than 23rd in the regular season, and averaged 26th spot [last year, Arizona was 28th]. Bad omen: the worst pre-season record over this time was the 2010 Pirates - we know how that went - and their spring win percentage of .250 is exactly where the Diamondbacks currently sit...
Who's up, who's down?
Coming into spring, there were several questions to be addressed: the 1B/LF positions, two spots in the starting rotation, and the back end of the bullpen. How have the candidates faired?
First-base/Left-field
Brandon Allen. Allen still seems like a man without a long-term place on the team, the arrival of Juan Miranda and Xavier Nady blocking him at the two positions he can play. Has seen plenty of playing time, and has hit well this spring (.364), but his plate discipline has been disappointing (one walk, 10 K's).
Russell Branyan. Regarded more as "insurance" at the start of spring, in case Juan Miranda couldn't cut it, Branyan's hitting has a) pushed him into the debate as a bench candidate, and b) forced some gentle back-pedaling on the vitalness of defence. Going 14-for-30 with three HR will do that.
Juan Miranda. Came into camp with an unofficial expectation of becoming our starting first-baseman, and that doesn't seem to have changed. While a .245 average isn't much to write home about, his OBP is above .400, thanks to Miranda having more walks than strikeouts, and the overall OPS of .922 is very acceptable.
Xavier Nady. Nady has been nothing special at the plate (his line is .226/.250/.387), but it has been his defense which is the real problem. His throwing arm still appears to possess the resilience of well-cooked linguine and there is a genuine concern he'll simply be incapable of playing left-field.
Wily Mo Pena. I'm still not convinced a man last in the majors in 2008, who posted a .509 OPS in that campaign, is someone at whom we should be looking, as seriously as we apparently are. He is 11-for-28, and shares the team lead in homers with Branyan, but this has the scent of 'small sample size' strongly attached.
Ryan Roberts. Slightly cooler of late, unsurprisingly - after ten hits in his first 14 at-bats, with seven walks, he has gone 5-for-14 with three walks, which are still great numbers. His position flexibility makes him a candidate here, and even as an infield back-up, he may be ahead of the slow-starting (but improving of late) Tony Abreu.
Starting pitching
Zach Duke. His spring training numbers have been quite awful. In eight innings, he has allowed 18 hits, including three home-runs, with two walks and only three K's. The unfortunate injury to Duke may have saved Kirk Gibson and Kevin Towers from an unpleasant task - or at least delayed it.
Barry Enright. Certainly has the best stats of any candidate for the rotation, even including the trio who are probably guaranteed spots. His nine innings have resulted in only five hits and a walk, with five strikeouts and an ERA of 2.00. At this point, he'd probably make the team in the #5 slot.
Armando Galarraga. While not as bad as Duke, Galarraga has not been effective in the Cactus League, with his K:BB ratio an anemic 4:3, to go along with ten hits and seven runs, over his eight innings of work. The injury to Duke probably does lock him into a spot, but he has been far from impressive.
Aaron Heilman. His performance has not been bad, with figures bloated by having the bad luck to start on a day when the heavy winds contributed to two homers. Would like to see more strikeouts - four in 12 innings isn't a great rate for a starter - but he has done nothing to disgrace himself.
Bullpen
Sam Demel. Picked during Sunday's broadcast by Daron Sutton to be a dark-horse in this year's bullpen, Demel has made his point, by striking out seven batters in six innings, while walking only one. The result has been a single earned run, and Demel is on course to lock up a bullpen spot.
Juan Gutierrez. Struggled early on, and a gaudy ERA of 13.50 is testament to that, and small sample size. However, Gutierrez has made a mechanical adjustment, and the results of late have been a lot more positive. I'd like to see some more zeros posted in the second half of the month.
Mike Hampton. To some extent, his ERA is a victim of being pressed into a second inning, after Duke's appearance was cut short - four of the six runs he has given up came there. However, 12 hits and four walks in 6.2 frames are still not brilliant peripherals and he now needs to hope we go with two lefties.
David Hernandez. Having allowed one hit in six innings, he seems to be heading towards a position as our eighth-inning guy. The five free passes he has allowed are somewhat concerning, but as noted by orioole26 in yesterday's comments, they should settle down when he finds his slider.
Kam Mickolio. A fringe reliever coming in, he still seems to be in that position. Has fanned more than a batter per, but has also surrendered four walks, a hit batter and five hits in 5.2 innings. His bullpen presence or otherwise likely depends not only in his performance, but those of others.
Micah Owings. Probably hasn't done enough to make the bullpen out of spring training, much though the prospect of a two-way player appeals. He hasn't even come to the plate yet, let alone got time at 1B, so it seems the team are a lot less intrigued by the idea than the fans!
Joe Paterson. A series of general very effective appearances by Paterson - four hits, two walks and six K's in six innings - has seen him grab the inside track as our left-handed reliever. He has certainly been more impressive in spring than previous Rule 5 picks, Zach Kroenke and James Skelton.
J.J. Putz. Marked absent, grade incomplete. Here we sit with 18 days till our first game, and our closer has thrown nine pitches in public. However, no-one seems too bothered by this, and expectations remain that he should be ready for Opening Day. I'd still like to see him a few more times.
Esmerling Vasquez. Though he hasn't walked anybody in his six innings, and has struck out four, Vasquez hasn't looked good, allowing eight hits and hitting a batter, resulting in five runs, four earned. Needs to step things up down the stretch, against other teams' A-hitters, if he wants a spot.
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I Think Ryan Roberts
Shoould get amention on who’s up who’s down. He has possibly play’d his way into things, especially with Nady not hacking it. As Roberts can play LF and has.
Just my .02
Freeze it..and make a popsicle
by Baja F1 on Mar 14, 2011 3:44 PM EDT reply actions 1 recs
Good suggestion
Editing in as we speak…
"While Mrs. SnakePit watched one of the most highly acclaimed films of the year, I sat through a badly made schlock fest with absolutely no redeeming value. And it was awesome."
by Jim McLennan on Mar 14, 2011 3:45 PM EDT up reply actions
To be fair,
at least one, if not two, of Duke’s homers in Tucson involved serious 36mph winds.
Mr. Science Boy
Why does the comment count say nine,
and I only see three?
I should have a mfin theme song.
by emilylovesthedbacks on Mar 14, 2011 4:27 PM EDT reply actions
Not sure
There were some hidden (as they were no longer relevant), but the math isn’t adding up, even including those!
"While Mrs. SnakePit watched one of the most highly acclaimed films of the year, I sat through a badly made schlock fest with absolutely no redeeming value. And it was awesome."
by Jim McLennan on Mar 14, 2011 4:37 PM EDT up reply actions
now it says 13
soooo confused.
I should have a mfin theme song.
by emilylovesthedbacks on Mar 14, 2011 4:41 PM EDT up reply actions
I haven't bothered
to check it, but I heard somewhere that the team with the worst record in the Cactus League last year was the Rangers.
But, then, the same source said that the team with the best record in the Cactus League last year was the Giants.
So, you can make this argument pretty much fit any scenario you want.
I don’t think Spring Training records mean a whole lot as an indicator of a team’s ultimate record during the regular season. But, individual performances can and do. If there are multiple players you are counting on during the regular season that are struggling big time during the Spring, that is worrisome.
I seem to recall that the Braves back in the early 80’s had a miserable Spring and then started the season with a 13 game winning streak. That is VERY unusual, though.
I think
This year is the first time since 2003, that both reignining pennant winners are playing in the Cactus League.
"While Mrs. SnakePit watched one of the most highly acclaimed films of the year, I sat through a badly made schlock fest with absolutely no redeeming value. And it was awesome."
by Jim McLennan on Mar 14, 2011 5:19 PM EDT up reply actions
In Fact
After the Angels in 2002 and the Rangers in 2010, you have to go all the way back the Oakland A’s in their run of ‘88 thru 90 to find the last American League pennant winner that trained in the Cactus League. Before the Angels-Giants of 2002 (2003 spring) you have the A’s-Giants of 1989 (1990 spring).
Keeping in mind that when you go back to the 1980’s, that is when there were only 8 teams training in Arizona. The Cubs (no pennant since 1945), Indians (no pennant since 1951), Giants (no pennant 1962-89), Angels (no pennant until 2002), Mariners (no pennant at all), Brewers (1982), Padres (‘84 and ’98). and A’s.
Um...
White Sox in 2005? As a Chicago team, I’m surprised you’d forget them.
That’s largely just a sign of the AL East’s dominance. Since the Twins in 1991, of the 18 AL pennants, 12 of the winners have come from the AL East. (7 Yankees, 2 Blue Jays, 2 Red Sox, 1 Rays)
Since the current East/Central/West division split came about in 1998, all the East teams have trained in Florida and all the West teams have trained in Arizona. It’s only the Central teams who have been divvied up.
Mr. Science Boy
You are right about White Sox
I did overlook them, but don’t get the Chicago reference. I am not from Chicago.
Your last paragraph is only partly true. The Dodgers are a NL West Division team, and they did not train in AZ until last year. Likewise, the AL West Texas Rangers did not train here until 2003.
As far as Central Division teams, only the Cubs, White Sox and Brewers have been here since 1998. The Rangers and Royals (since 2003), Indians (2009) and Reds (2010) were not here in 1998.
True about the Dodgers and Rangers.
What I meant was that it’s been primarily the Central teams that have been moving back and forth between leagues, so the Royals, Indians, and Reds are not really relevant. (For geographical reasons) We haven’t had an eastern division team train in the Cactus League, though.
I made the Chicago reference because you spend so much time at BCB that I figured the White Sox would come to mind?
Mr. Science Boy
As time goes on
it becomes increasingly unlikely that an East Coast team would ever move to the Cactus League (or a West Coast team to the Grapefruit League for that matter).
Now that teams basically have year round operations at the ST site, extended ST, rookie league, rehab, etc., it just doesn’t make sense geographically.
I have heard rumors that the Orioles might be the next be the next target for the Cactus League. They would love one more team to make it an even 16. Maybe move into Hohokam when the Cubs leave.
But, I don’t see it happening. I would be very surprised if it did,.
Orioles?
Possibly, but the geography would make that a little strange. Would certainly be interesting.
Shoot for another Central team first? Twins or something?
Mr. Science Boy
Astros always seemed like a good fit to me
We’ve already got half the NL Central.
"I just don't know about rhinos. They have the same soulless eyes, but not ALL of them are jerks."
Sam Demel
is the poster boy for why peripherals matter. i find it hilarious when i hear mainstream media people say things like “Demel is the black-horse of the bullpen…..” when if you just looked at peripherals, you’d realize he was the best pitcher we had last year in the bullpen
been pleasantly surprised by Joe Paterson, though his funky delivery makes me worried that over the course of a full season he’ll lose his mechanics somehow….
Russell Branyan should be the starter at 1B. I don’t understand how it’s even an issue, or why people say his defense is horrendous (I see nothing from UZR that would indicate this). Regardless though, our 1B should not be a problem next year, with Branyan and Miranda getting a combined 600 PA.
I still want Allen in LF, even though his plate discipline has been disturbing this spring (1 BB….jeebus). The strikeouts are worrisome also.
Good Parra
or Mirror Universe Parra with the goatee?
No Julio Franco, no peace.
by Reynolds rapper on Mar 15, 2011 5:02 AM EDT up reply actions
There's
a Good Parra?
Mr. Science Boy
by DbacksSkins on Mar 15, 2011 11:21 AM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
Yes there is a Good Parra
He’s like Puxatony Phil…he pokes his head out from time to time and makes an appearance…
"In the book of life, the answers aren't in the back." ~Charles M Schulz
'Last words are for fools who haven't said enough'. - Karl Marx
by Rockkstarr12 on Mar 16, 2011 9:54 AM EDT up reply actions
Plus 1B is an offensive position.
and “the human strikeout machine” Russell Branyan is providing it in spades. No contest he won the contest. Which of the other 2 first basemen gets moved? Allen?
No Julio Franco, no peace.
by Reynolds rapper on Mar 15, 2011 5:01 AM EDT up reply actions
Peripherals are all the more important with relievers
Any reliever can have a dominant – or horrendous – stretch simply because of BABIP or HR/FB because weeks or even months of action from them are still small sample sizes. Heck, entire seasons can be small sample sizes for some LOOGY types.
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by Dan Strittmatter on Mar 15, 2011 6:31 PM EDT up reply actions
That was brought up earlier in the summer
Because of absurdities like Jesse Crain’s enormous contract on the basis of two closer-like months. In reality, that’s just a fluctuation.
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by Dan Strittmatter on Mar 17, 2011 7:12 PM EDT up reply actions
I really want Barry Enright to make the starting rotation
His first few games were good. The problem is, he finished the year badly, but I think that can be corrected.
The other person I want to make the team is Sam Demel. He’s arguably our best bullpen pitcher.
I think both of your wishes will be coming true.
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by Dan Strittmatter on Mar 16, 2011 2:58 AM EDT up reply actions
Demel will definitely make it
not necessarily true of Enright.
depends on how Heilman and Galarraga do.
by blue bulldog on Mar 16, 2011 3:11 AM EDT up reply actions
Enright already has a massive leg up though
He’s out-performed both of them. Provided he doesn’t experience an all-out meltdown in the next few weeks, I think he’s on the club.
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by Dan Strittmatter on Mar 16, 2011 3:22 AM EDT up reply actions
i'd argue that none of them have drastically outperformed the others
despite the pretty ERA of enright…
if anything, Galarraga’s 5 strikeouts tonight in 3 innings was really impressive…i honestly didn’t even think he had the ability to do that
Enright got 1 strikeout on a called strike (basically, the mass majority of his strikeouts are like this). i don’t know. part of me still feels like Enright is a guy who can only succeed in the pen.
by blue bulldog on Mar 16, 2011 4:37 AM EDT up reply actions
Galarraga's previous numbers, though
Were horrible. And he did cough up a HR last night that accounted for most of the runs against him.
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by Dan Strittmatter on Mar 16, 2011 2:24 PM EDT up reply actions
It really
depends on 1. how attached KT is to Galarraga, 2. how much KT looks at peripherals, and 3. how much stock KT puts into Spring Training numbers.
Mr. Science Boy

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