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Know Your Enemy: San Diego Padres 2011 Preview

Adrian Gonzalez. Not a Padre any more.

2010 Record: 90-72 (2nd) - 10-8 vs. Arizona
2010 OPS+ 93
(9th)
2010 ERA+ 108 (6th)
Key departures: Adrian Gonzalez (6.3 WAR), Yorvit Torrealba (2.8), Jon Garland (1.8), Miguel Tejada (1.8), David Eckstein (1.4), Chris Young (0.9), Matt Stairs (0.5)
Key arrivals: Orlando Hudson (2.0 WAR), Jason Bartlett (1.8), Brad Hawpe (0.8), Dustin Moseley (0.5), Rob Johnson (0.3), Cameron Maybin (0.3), Jorge Cantu (0.1), Aaron Harang (-1.2), Chad Qualls (-3.0).
2011 Projection:  83-79 (CAIRO), 79-83 (BP)

Well, there's no denying the Padres were certainly busy during the off-season, but it seems a strange pattern of behavior for a team which had a shot at a playoff spot until the very last afternoon of the season in 2010. The trade of easily their best player in Adrian Gonzalez, may have made sense given his imminent free-agency, but it creates a massive hole in their line-up. Can they fill it?

Star-divide

After initially surprising many pundits, who had picked them to finish last in the NL West, San Diego then pulled off one of the biggest choke jobs in recent baseball history. On August 25, they were 6.5 games up in the West, and CoolStandings gave them a 97.2% chance of post-season baseball. But the Padres went 14-23 the rest of the way - the worst record in the National League after that date - losing the division to the Giants, and the wild-card to the Braves. Personally speaking, watching that meltdown, and the angst which resulted, was one of the highlights of the 2010 campaign. If you can't have triumph yourself, watching others fail will do.

Anyway, the accepted wisdom is that the Padres did so well last year with pitching and defense. But as I mentioned earlier in the week, by ERA+, they were only the third-ranked staff in the division, being made to look better than they are by the park [you could, admittedly, probably say the same about the D-backs hitters]. Latos is a legitimate ace, with Clayton Richard also a decent pitcher, but new signing Aaron Harang is 18-38 over the past three years, with a 4.71 ERA - there's only so much moving to Petco can do. The fifth spot is still wide-open, with Wade LeBlanc, Moseley and Cory Luebke the leading contenders.

The big problem is the offense. It's credible they could be without a 20-homer player: the loss of Gonzalez leaves Ryan Ludwick's 17 HR and 69 RBI as the best numbers last year by anyone on the roster. And the last teams to win more than 82 games without a 20-HR guy, were the 1992 Reds and Twins. The Padres have almost completely retooled up the middle, Nick Hundley stepping into the frontline catcher's role, after the departure of Torrealba. Hudson and Bartlett replace Eckstein and Tejada, while they will be looking for big things from Maybin in CF, who was the tenth overall pick in the 2005 draft. He has yet to live up to the hype, though is still only 23.

While closer Heath Bell will be back to anchor the pen, along with Luke Gregerson and Mike Adams, some retooling has been needed here. To get Maybin San Diego trading away relievers Ryan Webb and Edward Mujica, who threw nearly 130 innings out of the bullpen, at a 3.29 ERA. To help replace those frames, the Padres signed Chad Qualls. Yep: that Chad Qualls. They'll be hoping his knee was the cause of his problems last year, as he now claims. Pity you didn't achieve this state of enlightenment last spring training, eh, Chad?

The San Diego fans didn't exactly turn out in droves to see their boys fight for the pennant - the average crowd at Petco was less than a thousand better than the turnout at Chase, who watched the Diamondbacks' grind their way to nearly a hundred losses. Now that the Padres have lost their star attractions - no Peavy, no A-gon, and with a total salary bill that may be ahead only of the Pirates - will anyone have any reason to show up? Particularly if San Diego start off the campaiign as badly as they finished the last, Petco could become the place to go in the city, if you want to get away from it all.

Just doing a simple balancing of WAR that arrived and left Southern California, and even assuming Harang and Qualls bounceback to replacement level, the Padres off-season cost them about ten WAR. Some of that may be replaced if Maybin reached his potential, but can Chase Headley have another 4 WAR season? Given the volatile nature of bullpen pitchers, can Bell and Adams finish among the top eight WARriors for NL relievers again? It's too many questions, and I think the Padres will be hard pushed to finish above .500 without Gonzalez to power the offense. 80 wins for me - though they will,. of course, finish second....

Poll
Where will the Padres finish in the 2011 NL West?
First
45 votes
Second
22 votes
Third
28 votes
Fourth
39 votes
Fifth
32 votes

166 votes | Poll has closed

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If

I were a Padres fan, I’d be very worried about that September record. Doesn’t spell particularly well for a strong start this year.

Your dreck puts the "ick" in esoteric.

by soco on Mar 11, 2011 10:02 AM EST reply actions  

If

I were a Padres fan, I’d check myself into an asylum.

Bad doormat! No stock options!

by Clefo on Mar 11, 2011 10:08 AM EST up reply actions  

If

I were a Padres fan, I’d hammer in the morning. I’d hammer in the evenin— wait, what?

Mr. Science Boy

by DbacksSkins on Mar 11, 2011 12:33 PM EST up reply actions  

If

I were a Cubs fan, I’d be hammered in the morning. I’d be hammered in the evening, all over this land…

"I just don't know about rhinos. They have the same soulless eyes, but not ALL of them are jerks."

by kishi on Mar 11, 2011 12:52 PM EST up reply actions   2 recs

Fourth or Last

Though somehow this poll will say they finish first…

Bad doormat! No stock options!

by Clefo on Mar 11, 2011 10:05 AM EST reply actions  

I was just gonna say!

Hey, look at the poll results! Finally, an NL West team that won’t finish first!

Mr. Science Boy

by DbacksSkins on Mar 11, 2011 12:34 PM EST up reply actions  

Give it time

I don’t think we’ve had the visitors vote yet.

"I just don't know about rhinos. They have the same soulless eyes, but not ALL of them are jerks."

by kishi on Mar 11, 2011 12:52 PM EST up reply actions  

nah

not even the visitors are optimistic enough to vote the padres first

i just don’t like the way this team is built. overrated starting pitching (i’d argue that their pitching might actually be worse than ours). overrated defense (they lost two of their three best defenders last year in Tony Gwynn Jr. and Scott Hairston, and the other guy, Mr. Headley, was a bad defender until last year, so I’m not buying into that massive defensive improvement). and of course, they’re going to have no offense, now that AGon is gone (the dude was 5 WAR on offense…).

the only they still have for them is that bullpen. but as was mentioned…that is very volatile.

i feel reasonably confident in stating that the Dbacks will at least have a better record than the Padres this year.

by blue bulldog on Mar 11, 2011 1:02 PM EST up reply actions  

Wow...

25+ win swing? Really?? That’s pretty optimistic/pessimistic…

Mr. Science Boy

by DbacksSkins on Mar 11, 2011 7:25 PM EST up reply actions  

I see it too.

http://hasthelargehadroncolliderdestroyedtheworldyet.com/

by Dan Strittmatter on Mar 11, 2011 11:51 PM EST up reply actions  

they were incredibly lucky to be in the situation they were last year

one of those random fluky things that happens in baseball sometimes

and the last month, they played at what was probably their true talent level

in some ways though, the Padres are lucky to have a GM like Hoyer, who clearly has good decision-making skills, and understanding when they got lucky, and not trying to trade away the farm to contend this year. now, whether he has the good baseball-talent-valuation skills remain to be seen (not impressed with either of the big trades he made this year, for maybin, and sending of AGon)

by blue bulldog on Mar 12, 2011 12:26 AM EST up reply actions  

I dunno yet

about the AGon trade — I think they might have jumped the gun a bit.

But I’m not impressed at all with the Maybin trade.

Mr. Science Boy

by DbacksSkins on Mar 12, 2011 12:57 AM EST up reply actions  

AGon

was going to be a free agent after this year and the Padres weren’t going to be able to extend him. They probably did the best that they could do with that trade. I don’t think it would have been very smart to have held onto him hoping that a contending team would need a first baseman at the deadline. If anything, the Padres probably held on to Gonzalez longer than they should have…

I think trading for a player like Cameron Maybin is the kind of thing that a rebuilding team should do. He’s really young and still has a lot of upside. Even if he’s just a .692 OPS guy for the rest of his career, that’s still pretty average offense for a centerfielder.

I'll eat up all your crackers and your licorice...

by NotGuilty on Mar 12, 2011 8:05 AM EST up reply actions  

If Maybin's production was about average

Why did he only record 0.4 FG WAR in 82 games?

http://hasthelargehadroncolliderdestroyedtheworldyet.com/

by Dan Strittmatter on Mar 13, 2011 4:14 AM EST up reply actions  

Because

he only played in 82 games, had negative defensive value, and had a down year offensively? And because I only said that his offense was average for a centerfielder, so a counting stat like WAR that incorporates defense and playing time is irrelevant?

I'll eat up all your crackers and your licorice...

by NotGuilty on Mar 13, 2011 10:31 AM EDT up reply actions  

I mean, I don't think Maybin is great or anything

But there’s potential there. He’s worth taking a chance on in my opinion.

I'll eat up all your crackers and your licorice...

by NotGuilty on Mar 13, 2011 10:54 AM EDT up reply actions  

IHSB's point is that

Maybin’s batting component for WAR last year was -5.9 runs below average

in fact, over his career, he has averaged approximately -2.0 runs below average, which makes his career line below average offensively for even CF. IHSB is just saying that your statement earlier “If he’s just a .692 OPS guy for the rest of his career, that’s still pretty average offense for a CF” is false.

by blue bulldog on Mar 13, 2011 2:25 PM EDT up reply actions  

Fair enough

I had read pretty recently that the average OPS for a centerfielder is .699, but I guess “average” can mean a lot of things.

But is -2 runs below average really all that far from being pretty much average? Seems like that would still fall in the average range to me.

Also, just to be thorough, Baseball-Reference has Maybin with 1.0 oWAR in his career.

I'll eat up all your crackers and your licorice...

by NotGuilty on Mar 13, 2011 3:20 PM EDT up reply actions  

really?

i hadn’t even bothered to check rWAR because both WAR calculations are both supposed to use wOBA to calculate the hitting component….

i’m really curious how that came about….

by blue bulldog on Mar 13, 2011 3:39 PM EDT up reply actions  

No?

rWAR uses OPS+, which is based on straight OPS. fWAR uses wRC+, which is based on wOBA.

Mr. Science Boy

by DbacksSkins on Mar 13, 2011 6:30 PM EDT up reply actions  

really....??

that’s…terrible…..

i’m pretty surprised that rWAR uses OPS+ since it’s widely agreed that wOBA is a better measurement of offense

by blue bulldog on Mar 13, 2011 6:51 PM EDT up reply actions  

Yup.

Just another reason fWAR is superior.

Mr. Science Boy

by DbacksSkins on Mar 13, 2011 6:58 PM EDT up reply actions  

Means

Maybin’s got some pop, but can’t get on base.

Mr. Science Boy

by DbacksSkins on Mar 13, 2011 6:59 PM EDT up reply actions  

So basically

he’s pre-2010 Chris Young?

See? There’s some reason for optimism with him. CY used to suck too, and now he’s pretty good. Maybin has only played in slightly more than a full season’s worth of games in the majors. I think it’s a little too early to say that he’s all that he’ll ever be.

I'll eat up all your crackers and your licorice...

by NotGuilty on Mar 13, 2011 7:30 PM EDT up reply actions  

"CY used to suck and now he's pretty good"?

That’s a HUGE oversimplification, not to mention wrong.

Maybin’s career OPS is .692. CY’s WORST season OPS is .693. CY’s worst full-season OPS is .711.

Maybin’s largest exposure in the big leagues was last year, where he played in 82 games (over half a season) with a .299 wOBA. That’s his largest and most recent sample. With a .313 BABIP.

That’s terrible. You’re correct in saying that the dude’s got an OBP like pre-2010 Chris Young, but he doesn’t have ANY power. And they’re hoping this guy can provide some offense at PetCo??

Mr. Science Boy

by DbacksSkins on Mar 13, 2011 8:38 PM EDT up reply actions  

I meant that in kind of a tongue-in-cheek way

I don’t think Young sucked. But there was definitely a lot of room for improvement there.

If you don’t like Maybin, that’s fine. I’m not going to argue that he’s done very well so far. But he’s still only 23 and only has a little more than a full season so far in the majors (and just from looking at his stats it looks like he’s been jerked around a lot). I’m not willing to write the guy off as a bust after a year’s worth of playing time. And I wouldn’t say that he doesn’t have ANY power – A .133 ISO isn’t great, but it ain’t exactly Ecksteinian, either. Without looking, I’d imagine that he’s a pretty significant power upgrade over Tony Gwynn Jr…

Obviously the ideal scenario and what the Padres are hoping for is that Maybin improves. Be he’s still accumulated 1.7 WAR in 168 games. Would it really be all that terrible if he only ends up being a 1-2 WAR player for the rest of his career?

I'll eat up all your crackers and your licorice...

by NotGuilty on Mar 13, 2011 11:17 PM EDT up reply actions  

Well,

being a 1-2 WAR player isn’t exactly anything to brag about. Among qualified center fielders last year, 1.7 WAR would have put him at 23rd, tied with Dexter Fowler — and that’s mostly guys who played 152 or fewer games, not 168.

Mr. Science Boy

by DbacksSkins on Mar 14, 2011 1:04 AM EDT up reply actions  

Well,

yes, they DID overperform last year, but… we won 65 games, they won 90, and you two really think we’ve improved enough and they’ve damaged their team enough for at least a 25 game swing?

I suppose it’s possible. When we overperformed and won 90 games in 2007, we improved our team the next year, yet still lost 6 wins. The Padres have undoubtedly gotten worse, so I guess I could see them losing 10-15 wins. Have we picked up 10-15?

Mr. Science Boy

by DbacksSkins on Mar 12, 2011 12:55 AM EST up reply actions  

If you believe in WPA

Then that’s absolutely the case.

http://hasthelargehadroncolliderdestroyedtheworldyet.com/

by Dan Strittmatter on Mar 13, 2011 4:15 AM EST up reply actions  

Is that

assuming that we’ve now got an average bullpen?

Mr. Science Boy

by DbacksSkins on Mar 13, 2011 4:40 PM EDT up reply actions  

it's assuming

we don’t have one of the five worst bullpens in all of baseball

by blue bulldog on Mar 13, 2011 6:13 PM EDT up reply actions  

Hmmm...

I’m not sure that’s necessarily a safe assumption.

Mr. Science Boy

by DbacksSkins on Mar 13, 2011 6:36 PM EDT up reply actions  

+3

Per Mare, Per Terras

by justin1985 on Mar 13, 2011 7:35 PM EDT up reply actions  

Chad Qualls

you suck. Ima see you on St Patty’s day. Ima be that guy.

If you'd have been a dog.....
They would of drowned you at birth.

by edbigghead on Mar 11, 2011 12:54 PM EST reply actions  

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