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Is The Future Now For The Arizona Diamondbacks?

We see an opportunity in the next couple of years - and this is just our eyes, the way we view it. This is probably an opportune time to hopefully stay on top if we make the right moves and are able to make our club better, even if it means giving up prospects.
-- Kevin Towers

Giving up prospects? I must admit, my first reaction to the suggestion was basically this image, but once I'd gone for a walk, breathed into a paper-bag for a bit, etc. it's something which should perhaps be considered. Of course, floating the idea does not mean it's going to happen - see last winter, where Towers floated the concept of trading Justin Upton. He's still here (thankfully). Yet there is a point where a mid-budget team like Arizona have to bite the bullet and decide to male its move: prospects need to be converted into pieces that will help the team now.

Are the Diamondbacks at that point?

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The Diamondbacks may be the current NL West champions, but how long will the current core be together? Let's start by taking the heart of the existing roster - starting position players, pitching rotation and the front of the bullpen - and seeing when Arizona no longer control them. The following chart shows the years of team control in Sedona Red. Player or mutual options are not included, team options are.


2012 2013 2014 2015 2016 2017
C. Montero





1B Goldschmidt





2B Hill





SS Drew





3B Roberts





LF Parra





CF Young





RF Upton












SP1 Kennedy





SP2 Hudson





SP3 Collmenter





SP4





SP5





Cl: Putz





SU Hernandez





To start with the good news first, our front-line pitching, in the shape of the rotation and our closer, seem more or less set for the next four seasons. Daniel Hudson and Ian Kennedy appear to provide a very solid core, and if there are questions - of varying sizes - the rest of the way, the team has enough candidates to be able to fill in the gaps. If the prospects develop as we hope, there's a chance we could be running out the best rotation in the National League, top to bottom - and at a fraction of the cost of some teams. And I'm also confident that, if J.j. Putz leaves after 2013 (or even 2012 - the latter season is a team option), David Hernandez will be ready to step up.

But if we're all set for pitching, things are a good deal less stable on the position front - and, in particular, the infield. Even discounting seasons down the road, almost every position has a question-mark of one kind or another. To go around the diamond. Is Paul Goldschmidt the reliable first-baseman we've not had for some time? Which Aaron Hill will show up for the Diamondbacks? Will Stephen Drew be 100% healthy and capable of playing short? Is Ryan Roberts the OPS+ 88 guy he was up to age 29, or the OPS+ 108 one we got last year?

And there there is the fact that, at the moment, Drew and Montero are in their last seasons before hitting free agency, with Hill a free-agent after 2013. And these are all positions where the farm system is perilously thin. In Dan's recent survey of our prospects, the sole candidates at those spots were SS Chris Owings (#9) and 2B David Nick (#21). John Sickels of Minor League Ball had the same two at #17 and #20 respectively. No catchers were present on either list, so if we don't re-sign Montero, it might be some time before we have any other home-grown man in the mask.

That might be to what Towers is referring in terms of "an opportunity over the next couple of years." But it's understandable if Arizona fans are a little gun-shy, having been down this road before. After the team won the division in 2007, then-GM Josh Byrnes pulled the trigger on a trade that got Dan Haren from the A's in exchange for a prospect plethora . Haren had a 141 ERA+ in 2008-09 with the Diamondbacks, 4th best in the NL. But the rest of the team around him crumbled, going 113-145 in non-Haren starts over those two seasons. Meanwhile, former prospects from the trade, like Carlos Gonzalez and Brett Anderson, prospered.

But Towers is right, when he says, "Prospects are prospects. You tend to covet them and think that your prospects are better than 29 other teams because you think you know them better, you signed them, you feel good about them. But there’s no guarantees of what they’re ultimately going to do." And if the team thinks 2012-13 provide a window, with the Rockies rebuilding, Dodgers in debt, Giants intent on ensuring every game next year ends 1-0, and the Padres...doing whatever they're doing in San Diego, then having the best Triple-A club in all baseball is a waste of a chance.

However, the bit that does concern me is the idea of trading pitching for pitching. As we've seen, starting pitching is not exactly an area of great need for the Diamondbacks, now or in the future. Yes, Gio Gonzalez has had a couple of fine seasons with Oakland, posting a 129 ERA+ in 2010-11. But it's not too much of a stretch to think that we could get the same level of production from internal candidates over the next couple of years. Certainly, the upside of our top arms would seem considerably higher than Gonzalez's upside [his BABIP OF .282 over the past two years would suggest he was a little lucky] I believe Dan is working on a longer "Gio Gonzalez = bad idea" piece. :-)

To me, it would make more sense to trade from our undeniable stock of pitching and/or outfield prospects, to strengthen our infield. But even there, now probably isn't the time in my opinion, until we have a better handle on the questions posed earlier, e.g. Goldschmidt and Drew. But we are the reigning champions: having won the division by eight games, this isn't a team that "needs" to get better. While there is scope for regression in some spots, others should be expected to be better, for neither is it a team filled with players trying to outrun Father Time. I'd be very cautious about dealing prospects away at this point.

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No Gonzalez, fine but

What about Trevor Cahill? We’ve been told he makes Bob Gibson look like Todd Van Poppel.

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by Clefo on Dec 9, 2011 4:37 PM EST reply actions  

I would probably hate a Gonzalez deal

And I could probably tolerate a Cahill deal.

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by Dan Strittmatter on Dec 9, 2011 4:42 PM EST reply actions  

really why not hate both

Cahill was average last year, and 2010 had a BABIP of .237…I am guessing that we would be giving them JParker and a bat for him

by phx suns on Dec 9, 2011 4:47 PM EST up reply actions  

Might just be Jarrod Parker, actually

Throw 2010 out the window. That’s not Cahill. 2011 is a reasonable floor for what Cahill can do in 2012, and he’s just eight months older than Parker. The loss of the first two minimum-salary years of control is significant, but he’s actually established in the big-leagues. It’s a safe move considering that Parker is still a fairly significant question-mark, despite his dirt-cheap status.

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by Dan Strittmatter on Dec 9, 2011 4:51 PM EST up reply actions  

I don't know

what happen to Cahill’s strikeout numbers from the minors? I just want to see what Jarrod can do in the majors with his stuff being a bit better than Cahill’s

by phx suns on Dec 9, 2011 4:59 PM EST up reply actions  

you know that i view Parker

probably lower than the industry consensus

but i have to admit it saddens me to see a guy who we’ve all followed so long to be traded away.

also, the other thing is i still think that if we were to trade Parker, we should maximize his value by trading him for a bat

by blue bulldog on Dec 9, 2011 5:00 PM EST up reply actions  

I know what you mean...

Ehh, where does the bat fit right now?

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by Dan Strittmatter on Dec 9, 2011 5:01 PM EST up reply actions  

right

i wouldn’t trade for the bat now

trade for the bat later after the season, when like the article says, we figure out what’s our biggest infield need going into the future

by blue bulldog on Dec 9, 2011 5:03 PM EST up reply actions  

I'm pretty conservative

my view is if something isn’t broken, it doesn’t need fixing. Right now, the D’Backs have the best ballcub in the Pacific division, and probably organically improving. I just don’t see any deals out there for pitching that is going to improve the ballclub in a substantial way.

Is it mid-February yet?

by NASCARbernet on Dec 9, 2011 4:44 PM EST reply actions  

It'd be a conservative move, actually

Getting guaranteed performance to fill a hole that the current roster, as is, is depending on risky prospects to fill out.

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by Dan Strittmatter on Dec 9, 2011 4:51 PM EST up reply actions  

Per Arizona Baseball talk and I quote:

“Sources say the D-backs are closing in on a deal with Oakland that would send RHP Trevor Cahill to AZ in exchange for a prospect. John Gambadoro of Sports 620 KTAR says the prospect is not Trevor Bauer or Tyler Skaggs.”

Last time I forgot the quotes so hopefully this is acceptable

Great article Jim as Always sir!

by AzDbackfanInDc on Dec 9, 2011 4:51 PM EST reply actions  

Ken Rosenthal:
Sources: #Dbacks close on Cahill. RHP Jarrod Parker, OF Collin Cowgill in play for #Athletics. Could be others coming from A’s. #MLB

Bob Nightengale:

The #Dbacks plan on Parker being their 5th starter so he is NOT in potential deal

Rosenthal again:

#Dbacks expected to receive Breslow as well as Cahill from #Athletics. #MLB

Confused.

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by Dan Strittmatter on Dec 9, 2011 5:00 PM EST reply actions  

It means

they’re talking to different people, and its not as far along as some would like to believe.

Is it mid-February yet?

by NASCARbernet on Dec 9, 2011 5:14 PM EST up reply actions  

Official rumor thread

Now up

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by Jim McLennan on Dec 9, 2011 5:02 PM EST reply actions  

Great Chart

This really says it all too. The only sure fire above avg bat for position that is under control past 2012 is Upton. All the rest are either question marks or may be gone. With no position prospects on the way to fill the breach, trading pitching for pitching seems to make zero sense.

Of course they could then turn around and move one of the pitchers already here for hitting…..so who knows.

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by shoewizard on Dec 9, 2011 5:02 PM EST reply actions  

IPK

seems a prime candidate to be moved after 2013.

by blue bulldog on Dec 9, 2011 5:04 PM EST up reply actions  

Why do the Rays keep winning?

Because they have a steady stream of prospects to replace players they lose to free agency, and they have a knack for trading players for prospects right before they become too expensive. “Winning now” might look sexy, but there are ways to compete on a mid-market budget, particularly in a winnable division. And pretty much all of those ways include keeping young, cost-controlled players in the system for as long as possible.

What's one more comeback, anyway?

by Zavada's Moustache on Dec 9, 2011 6:40 PM EST reply actions  

while i agree somewhat

the Rays are aided by what was arguably an extremely risky contract they gave to Evan Longoria that paid off in spades

at the end of the day, you win by trading some form of assets that are less valuable to you for other forms of assets that are more valuable to you. you just have to be good at valuing your assets.

i’m okay with trading prospects if we get the proper value back.

by blue bulldog on Dec 9, 2011 7:10 PM EST up reply actions  

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