Jason Marquis Signs One-Year Deal With the Twins

Marquis has signed a one-year deal with the Twins for 3 million. Hope he has some better luck there than he did with us

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Interesting

yeah, his was a sad case.

Is it mid-February yet?

by NASCARbernet on Dec 22, 2011 6:20 PM EST reply actions

It was

I don’t know if he could have been good for us, but to see someone have as much bad luck as he did is never fun

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by imstillhungry95 on Dec 22, 2011 6:32 PM EST up reply actions

This is a great contract for Minnesota. Wouldn’t have minded it for Arizona, but I can see why we stayed away. Not a guaranteed upgrade on the farm (nothing available for $3MM would be, really), and would rather get a cheaper fringey option that doesn’t drain resources or a clear-cut upgrade like Kuroda. Still, you can get a lot worse for $3MM than Jason Marquis.

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by Dan Strittmatter on Dec 22, 2011 7:46 PM EST reply actions

He had bad luck

but the D’Backs are flushed with pitching talent, and he would have quickly become expensive deadwood.

Is it mid-February yet?

by NASCARbernet on Dec 22, 2011 9:45 PM EST up reply actions

As would have Joe Saunders

Yet we offered him 2/12. I’d give Marquis 1/3 before giving Saunders 2/12.

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by Dan Strittmatter on Dec 23, 2011 3:33 AM EST up reply actions

But if offered arbitration, the worst case for Saunders would have been

be one year with the possibility of getting something for him before arbitration or during the season. Money spent on Marquis would probably be a complete waste for this team.

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by xmet on Dec 23, 2011 6:21 AM EST up reply actions

This.

Is it mid-February yet?

by NASCARbernet on Dec 23, 2011 11:16 AM EST up reply actions

So Saunders at 1/8.5 was going to have trade value

And Marquis – a solid #4 starter capable of chewing innings – on 1/3 would have no trade value?

Not following your logic.

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by Dan Strittmatter on Dec 27, 2011 3:34 AM EST up reply actions

Possible, and probable,

just my opinion based on age and injury history.

by xmet on Dec 27, 2011 7:17 AM EST up reply actions

Saunders has a proven track record in a D'Back uniform

which alone makes him more valuable than Marquis. I’m going to keep pounding this, until the rooks prove themselves, they are nothing more than the metaphorical two in a bush.

Is it mid-February yet?

by NASCARbernet on Dec 23, 2011 11:16 AM EST up reply actions

that all depends

on whether you think past performance in the major leagues is a good indicator of future success

many times, it isn’t

by blue bulldog on Dec 23, 2011 2:23 PM EST up reply actions

Well

I think it would be safe to say that Saunders has a better chance of repeating his 2011 performance than Marquis does, except for his time in the desert.

by xmet on Dec 23, 2011 3:01 PM EST up reply actions

We're using different metrics, laddie

There’s more to playing winning baseball than individual performance, and while Saunders didn’t have a winning record, he made some genuine contributions that are hard to fit into an SPSS spreadsheet…

Is it mid-February yet?

by NASCARbernet on Dec 23, 2011 5:58 PM EST up reply actions

And while on the topic, Past behavior

is usually the best indicator of future behavior. I don’t think that’s too controversial.

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by NASCARbernet on Dec 23, 2011 6:10 PM EST up reply actions

And isn't that the reason that

statistics are useful?

by xmet on Dec 23, 2011 6:14 PM EST up reply actions

I make my living using statistics on a daily basis

obviously, I respect them to the extent that the have utility. The problem in baseball though is that there are vital emergent properties that don’t readily, or even with shoe-horns, operationalize well in statistical analysis. Club chemistry, is one thing. Ridiculous body-risky plays at home that change a ballclub’s level of motivation are another. Saunders is by no means the most talented pitcher even on the Diamondbacks, but as the old saying goes, evidently he’s a team player.

Is it mid-February yet?

by NASCARbernet on Dec 23, 2011 6:18 PM EST up reply actions

That he is, but alas no longer the proverbial

bird in the hand.

by xmet on Dec 23, 2011 6:37 PM EST up reply actions

That is true

but we can console ourselves with the knowledge though that the two waiting in the bush are probably not flightless dodos.

Is it mid-February yet?

by NASCARbernet on Dec 23, 2011 7:33 PM EST up reply actions

We

actually have more like six in the bush, and the laws of probability tell me at least one of them will be more than a flightless dodo.

Also, I think we have a new phrase for a failed pitching prospect

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by imstillhungry95 on Dec 23, 2011 8:43 PM EST up reply actions

"The Doomed Voyage of the Flightless Dodo"

does have a ring to it, doesn’t it?

Is it mid-February yet?

by NASCARbernet on Dec 23, 2011 8:48 PM EST up reply actions

It does

someone should make that made-for-tv-movie

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by imstillhungry95 on Dec 23, 2011 8:50 PM EST up reply actions

Directed by Peter Jackson

of course, scored by Trent Raznor.

Is it mid-February yet?

by NASCARbernet on Dec 23, 2011 8:53 PM EST up reply actions

Rezner, whatever.

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by NASCARbernet on Dec 23, 2011 8:54 PM EST up reply actions

Well

if Peter Jackson’s going to direct it, I have a couple other movies I want him to make first, so it’ll have to wait

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by imstillhungry95 on Dec 23, 2011 9:02 PM EST up reply actions

Oh?

Do tell!

Is it mid-February yet?

by NASCARbernet on Dec 23, 2011 9:18 PM EST up reply actions

I want him

to remake the Eragon movie, and then make the others in the series, except do it right this time and actually use the same story as the book did

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by imstillhungry95 on Dec 23, 2011 10:26 PM EST up reply actions

A budget of $100,000,000

for a directorial debut? Yikes. Someone must have had some incriminating snapshots…

Is it mid-February yet?

by NASCARbernet on Dec 23, 2011 10:33 PM EST up reply actions

Yeah

that’s about the only way he gets the job, not to mention the money. The movie was terrible, especially when compared to the book. Even when you take into account that the story is basically just rehashing Star Wars with a couple twists the book destroys the movie

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by imstillhungry95 on Dec 23, 2011 10:35 PM EST up reply actions

*get's the job IMO

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by imstillhungry95 on Dec 23, 2011 10:36 PM EST up reply actions

Well, there are worse stories

than A New Hope…like the most recent three….

Is it mid-February yet?

by NASCARbernet on Dec 23, 2011 10:38 PM EST up reply actions

That's what I always tell people who bring that up

Star Wars was a great story. Either enjoy it again from a different angle, or be quiet and let the rest of us enjoy it

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by imstillhungry95 on Dec 23, 2011 10:41 PM EST up reply actions

Marquis has a pretty solid track record too.

May not be in a D-back uniform, but I don’t see how that matters much. All things equal, I’d probably take Joe because of health/innings certainty, but for a $5.5MM difference in salary and a year shorter commitment, I’d take Marquis any day of the week.

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by Dan Strittmatter on Dec 27, 2011 3:42 AM EST up reply actions