D-backs Sign RHP Takashi Saito
Fresh off the weekend swap of Jarrod Parker for Trevor Cahill (et al), D-backs GM Kevin Towers made another splash on Monday evening, signing right-handed reliever Takashi Saito. The signing was first reported by Jim Bowden of ESPN and CBS's Jon Heyman on Twitter. Anthony Jackson, a beat reporter for the Dodgers, reports that the deal is a one-year contract. More terms of the move have yet to come out, but it seems like another solid acquisition for Towers, finishing off what looks to be a dangerous pitching staff for 2012. [Hat-tip to battlemoses for the original Fanshot]
Update: Terms of the contract are out, and it's a one-year, $1.75MM contract, according to Heyman. Hat-tip to G.O.B. for the link
Saito came to the US from Japan in 2006 as a 36-year-old, where he had three phenomenal years as L.A.'s closer, working in 180 games and throwing 189.2 innings with the Dodgers with a combined 1.95 ERA - good for a fabulous 227 ERA+ - 11.6 K/9, and 2.5 BB/9. Saito missed some time in his final year with the Dodgers, working in just 47 innings with them that year but still managing to post a 2.49 ERA while on the mound.
Over the next few years, either age and injury concerns or simply Saito's preferences would limit him to a series of one-year deals. Saito settled for a one-year deal from the Red Sox the following season - 2009 - Saito's age-39 campaign, and though Saito worked only 55.2 innings over 56 appearances for Boston that year, he still posted a 2.43 ERA and 194 ERA+. The following year, Saito signed another one-year contract with Atlanta, working 54 innings over 56 games with a 2.83 ERA, good for a 139 ERA+. Then, last year, Saito joined Milwaukee on a one-year pact, and while he was as sharp as ever when on the mound, with a 2.03 ERA and 195 ERA+, he had his most injury-riddled year, working just 26.2 innings over 30 appearances.
Still, Saito has yet to have big-league season in which he has posted an ERA over 3 or ERA+ under 139, and sports career average rates of 10.7 K/9, 2.8 BB/9, and 0.6 HR/9. He had a down-year in 2011 in terms of peripherals, with just a 7.8 K/9 and 3.0 BB/9 with Milwaukee, but given the small size of that sample and the 11.5 K/9 and 2.8 BB/9 Saito had in 2010 with the Braves, it's not overly concerning, especially on a one-year contract. As Arizona showed last year with J.J. Putz, GM Kevin Towers and Manager Kirk Gibson is willing to treat relievers with kid gloves as far as workloads are concerned so long as they provide elite performance when they take the mound, and Saito offers a good chance of providing just that.
With the signing of Saito and the acquisition of left-hander Craig Breslow in the trade on Saturday, it seems that GM Kevin Towers has finished rounding out the bullpen for 2012. Health permitting for all involved, Putz will return to his closer role, with David Hernandez setting up, Saito working the seventh, Bryan Shaw filling in the seventh when either Putz or Saito need a day off, Joe Paterson working as the primary lefty specialist, Brad Ziegler as a right-handed specialist, and Breslow offering a left-hander capable of going through a full inning.
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I believe I speak for many when I say:
Squee
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He's s'posed to be
pretty good, isn’t he?
Is it mid-February yet?
by NASCARbernet on Dec 12, 2011 7:13 PM EST up reply actions
He's better than
Getting a sharp stick and going all Oedipus on your eyes
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by Clefo on Dec 12, 2011 7:15 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
So, he'll be our Hercules
to the Dodgers’ Cacus?
Is it mid-February yet?
by NASCARbernet on Dec 12, 2011 7:17 PM EST up reply actions
Word to your mother.
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by Zavada's Moustache on Dec 12, 2011 7:26 PM EST up reply actions 3 recs
So, this is fun news.
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by Zavada's Moustache on Dec 12, 2011 7:19 PM EST reply actions
Evidently, better than having
one’s eyes gouged out in a gawdy myth.
Is it mid-February yet?
by NASCARbernet on Dec 12, 2011 7:22 PM EST up reply actions
Well now,
I wouldn’t go THAT far…
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by Zavada's Moustache on Dec 12, 2011 7:27 PM EST up reply actions
I think it's safe to assume he'll be an upgrade over Heilman.
"Clearly the Brewers didn't realize that going into Beast Mode raised their testosterone levels."
by tcyoung
by txzona on Dec 12, 2011 7:22 PM EST reply actions 1 recs
Nice
All I can hope for is 50 IP of solid work. He’s too old and owns to big of an injury history to expect more, but I’m okay with that.
Side note, does anyone know where our payroll sits at right now (also factoring in arb guys)?
Well
Let’s see if we can piece this together.
From last year’s spreadsheet, Cot’s has $28.9MM in commitments to CY, Drew, Upton, Putz, Duke Buyout, Blum, Blanco Buyout ($250k, which we didn’t pay), and Bloomquist Buyout ($150k, which we didn’t pay). So CY, Drew, Upton, Putz, Blum, and Duke’s Buyout cost combined: $28.5MM.
Bloomquist at 2/$3.8MM is approx. $1.9MM for 2012. New total: $30.4MM
Blanco at 1/$1.2MM. New total: $31.6MM
Cahill at $3.5MM for 2012 as part of his A’s extension. New total: $35.1MM
Hill at 2/$11MM is approx. $5.5MM for 2012. New total: $40.6MM
Overbay at 1/$1MM. New total: $41.6MM
McDonald at 2/$3MM is approx $1.5MM for 2012. New total: $43.1MM
Kennedy, Collmenter, Goldschmidt, Shaw, Parra, Hernandez, Hudson, Paterson each make $480k as part of new CBA, ~$3.8MM total. New total: $46.9MM.
That’s 20 players. We have arbitration cases for Montero, Ziegler, Roberts, and Breslow that we’ll go through, and latest word is we’re non-tendering Saunders and Owings. That’s 23 players. Saito makes 24. Final spot is #5 starting rotation opening, probably from within, but who knows – Saunders remains possible, I s’pose.
Estimated arbitration costs from MLBTR: Montero ($5.3MM), Ziegler ($1.8MM), Roberts ($1.7MM), and Breslow ($1.8MM). Total arbitration costs: $10.6MM. New total: $57.5MM. Add Saito’s salary (probably >$3MM), and if we can get payroll up to $70MM this year, we have $10MM in room left. Is there enough for Kuroda? Not sure. Enough for Saunders? Probably pre-non-tender, but I imagine we’ll be out-bid now. Enough for another starter on a one-year deal? Definitely.
Roy Oswalt suddenly comes back to mind as a possibility in the 1/$9MM range, with his back issues not really too concerning since we have four spots already locked up and tons of prospects around.
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by Dan Strittmatter on Dec 12, 2011 9:13 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
Hopefully the Yankees and Red Sox stop pursing Kuroda
and he settles with us for 1 year 10 million Maybe they could add in a mutual option.
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by tcyoung
well broken down
Fun to think about.
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by njjohn on Dec 12, 2011 9:37 PM EST via iPhone app up reply actions
sorry i have to say this
because i really just can’t let this go
but 10MM + Aaron Hill’s 5.5MM + Bloomquist’s extra $1.5MM + McDonald’s extra $1MM = Jose Reyes’s annual average salary
by blue bulldog on Dec 12, 2011 11:44 PM EST up reply actions
I remain unimpressed with Wright
Quite possibly the one player who is most overvalued in the public sphere. Him or Jeter. At least among non-closers, I guess (Heath Bell, Jonathan Papelbon, et al come to mind from that group).
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by Dan Strittmatter on Dec 13, 2011 3:19 AM EST up reply actions
I'm not in love with Wright
But…as much as I love this team we don’t have a true 4 hole or lead off guy. So, would have liked to see that money spent on either Wright, Reyes, or someone that fits this bill. Either way…..I’m happy. Good offseason moves.
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by Dan Strittmatter on Dec 13, 2011 3:16 AM EST up reply actions
I'd rather have Reyes than those guys for 2012
But I wouldn’t want Reyes in 2017 at that salary at all.
This team can’t afford that kind of risk. It’s okay, let it go. Dude is coming off an absurd peak contract year after two straight “meh” seasons.
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by Dan Strittmatter on Dec 13, 2011 3:18 AM EST up reply actions
Agreed
if we’re talking a 1 or 2 year deal at that amount, then sure. But there’s no way I want him for that long.
Tomorrow is another day.
i just can't agree
i think he maximizes our chances of winning in the next couple of years
even if he gets slightly more expensive than his on-field production 3-6 years from now, inflation helps a lot with that, so does winning/increased revenue from playoffs, and we’ll be trading our established starters for cheap prospects around that time anyway
by blue bulldog on Dec 13, 2011 9:57 AM EST up reply actions
KT has never been a guy to accept ups and downs
It’s kind of like what Dan O’Dowd has done in Colorado. Try to always remain on the fringes of contention and avoid periods where you tank to rebuild through the farm. It’s got some merit to it, too, considering the fact that Colorado’s been in contention for quite a while and hasn’t exactly been devoid of excellent seasons (’07 World Series run, for instance).
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by Dan Strittmatter on Dec 13, 2011 3:42 PM EST up reply actions
I also really think
You’re overrating what Reyes will do in 2012. Literally everything improved from 2010 to his contract year in 2011. 2010 isn’t worth $18MM even today.
Also, his legs ain’t what they used to be. A big hamstring issue in 2012 or 2013 and boom, there goes your playoff odds and $18MM per year for five years.
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by Dan Strittmatter on Dec 13, 2011 3:44 PM EST up reply actions
Montero extension
and rely on the kids for the last two pitching slots.
by Craig from Az on Dec 13, 2011 9:24 AM EST up reply actions
So bullpen is....
Putz
Hernandez
Saito
Shaw
Ziegler
Breslow
Yet-To-Be-Determined-Long-Relief-Guy-Probably Owings?
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You can never know with bullpen arms,
But there’s reason to believe that every single one of those guys will be at least average next year. That’s a pretty far cry from 2010.
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by Zavada's Moustache on Dec 12, 2011 7:28 PM EST up reply actions
Where have you gone Saul Rivera?
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looks solid
but then again, they’re relievers, and a couple of these guys have injury histories… But still, solid.
by CaptainCanuck on Dec 12, 2011 7:28 PM EST up reply actions
You missed Paterson
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by Jim McLennan on Dec 12, 2011 7:30 PM EST up reply actions
In that case,
Who gets bumped? Breslow?
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by Zavada's Moustache on Dec 12, 2011 7:31 PM EST up reply actions
no
otherwise they wouldn’t have traded for him
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by freeland1787 on Dec 12, 2011 8:01 PM EST up reply actions
No long relief man
Bullpen’s set.
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by Dan Strittmatter on Dec 12, 2011 9:14 PM EST up reply actions
So
no more owings?
Have you been good this year? I hope so, because Gibby. Is. Watching.
by imstillhungry95 on Dec 12, 2011 9:54 PM EST up reply actions
Not necessarily
he can be offered a new contract, with terms favorable to the D’Backs. In fact, I agree with X-Met in that they’ll actually want to encourage him to return because they like having pitchers compete for spots.
Is it mid-February yet?
by NASCARbernet on Dec 12, 2011 11:11 PM EST up reply actions
Unless MiLB deal
I see no reason why we would even think of sending Shaw and his elite, ninth-inning potential (yup, I said it) down to Reno so that we can give Micah Owings guaranteed money. Makes zero sense.
And if Micah Owings is getting nothing more than a minor-league contract, I’d be surprised.
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by Dan Strittmatter on Dec 12, 2011 11:13 PM EST up reply actions
Not saying Hernandez doesn't have that potential
They both could close someday.
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by Dan Strittmatter on Dec 13, 2011 3:20 AM EST up reply actions
I think Hernandez already
showed he has the potential. When he took over when Putz went down. In fact he was pretty dominating if you ask me. Didn’t he go like 8 2/3 innings giving up 1 hit, no runs and striking like 10 during that stretch.
by egboyz on Dec 13, 2011 11:03 AM EST via mobile up reply actions
8 2/3 innings
Should never be used as a barometer for a pitcher’s capabilities. Armando Galarraga threw 8 2/3 freaking perfect innings once upon a time.
Hernandez’s FIP/xFIP split suggests he was lucky to allow so few homers, and given how much he enjoys using his fastball in the upper half of the zone, I’m inclined to agree. I wouldn’t say he’s shown the rates to be a closer-level guy in 2012 without some improvement, specifically in his control. Definitely has the potential, though.
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by Dan Strittmatter on Dec 13, 2011 3:47 PM EST up reply actions
I actually think that
were there no ‘grooming’ things at play, Saito would be the 8th inning guy next year. I think he’s better than Hernandez.
"Slump? I ain't in no slump. I just ain't hitting." Yogi Berra
Are we too hung up on Inn #?
Giving up a 5 run inning in the 7th is just as damning as giving one up in the 8th (mostly, anyways). I’ve always wanted to see a manager send the best reliever out to meet the toughest part of the order during the late innings. Having so many solid arms in the pen just makes me giddy.
PS. I understand that assigning an Inning # is just a way to rate them, for most people.
by Counsellmember on Dec 13, 2011 4:40 PM EST up reply actions
Agreed 100%
He’s probably more effective when healthy.
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by Dan Strittmatter on Dec 14, 2011 7:47 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
Did he or Didn't he that's the question we
should be asking. He prove that he can be a future closer for this team. I know KT already views him as his future closer and there’s no need to worry if Putz goes down or we trade him. Getting Saito helps alot in terms of resting Putz or Hernandez. As for your FIP and whatever those stats are just meaningless. I don’t and won’t understand how a stat can determine whether you were lucky or not!! Don’t try to persuade me either because I’m just a meat and potato guy. I’m sorry that geeks took over the game of baseball with their excessive stats but really isn’t the basic stats all we need. Hernandez will be a closer for this team or closer for somebody.
by Baseballdad on Dec 13, 2011 4:48 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
FIP
isn’t meaningless, but even if you use straight ERA or K/BB or WHIP or even saves, Saito has outperformed Hernandez. Don’t get me wrong, I think Hernandez is improving and I like him a lot. I think he can keep making strides. My point is merely to point out how good Saito is.
"Slump? I ain't in no slump. I just ain't hitting." Yogi Berra
FIP is meaningless. . .
I can’t believe that a stat can determine whether your lucky or unlucky. We have a few geeks come in and throw us these meaningless stats and you become sheep and just follow! Lets see, Hernandez has only 1 yr under his belt and I believe when it all said and done Hernandez will be a whole lot better than Saito. Every year that that I notice is that he gotten better. so I’m anxious for another breakout year.
Cool it
With the “geeks” crap. Now.
And, for your information, some of us actually research what goes into the numbers before following. Y’know, because some of us enjoy analysis and care about our analysis being accurate. So stop being so condescending.
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by Dan Strittmatter on Dec 14, 2011 9:28 PM EST up reply actions
When you are referring to the question
of whether or not a ‘stat’ can determine (interesting word “determine”) someone is lucky or unlucky, that strikes me as analogous to the question of whether there is some kind of order, or randomness in a given set of observations. In other words, a philosophical question. The short answer may be found in the engineering literature, and that is ‘signal detection theory,’ where it may not be so important to ask the relative strength of a signal, but rather whether a signal exists at all.
Is it mid-February yet?
by NASCARbernet on Dec 15, 2011 8:52 PM EST up reply actions
If you don't like sabermetrics, that's your choice
But “I’m sorry that geeks took over the game of baseball with their excessive stats” is not just somewhat ignorant (though you admit this to some extent, and that’s fair), but it’s also insulting to those “geeks” who spent time developing them and making them available for public use.
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by Dan Strittmatter on Dec 14, 2011 8:01 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
Bball dad, you surely believe not all stats are meaningless (I assume AVG, HR, ERA, etc are relevant in the way you perceive players), so what makes FIP in particular and the newer stats in general meaningless? It’s fine to debate the merit of any given stat, but they are certainly not meaningless.
"Slump? I ain't in no slump. I just ain't hitting." Yogi Berra
Stats have their place
their strengths, and their limitations. As long as one recognizes this, and makes accurate appraisals regarding validity of certain stats in certain situations, statistics help the game. Big shock, I know, but that’s how feel I about it.
Is it mid-February yet?
by NASCARbernet on Dec 15, 2011 8:55 PM EST up reply actions
I agree that stats have their place.
I’m not a fan of FIP/xFIP or any variations of FIP. It’s ridiculous to think that a stat can determine whether your lucky or unlucky.
Why would that be ridiculous?
Don’t you agree there are better or worse defenders in the league? Teams that have better or worse collective defenses? Ballparks that are more hitter friendly? Pitchers and hitters who have strings of good or bad luck?
"Slump? I ain't in no slump. I just ain't hitting." Yogi Berra
Stats don't "determine" anything
I get the objection to the use of the word luck too much. It’s a lazy way to describe why things are happening sometimes.
Where stats like FIP and xFIP have a vaule, in my mind, is they are an INDICATOR that something is amiss. I look towards the extremes, where a guy has a large gap between his FIP, and his ERA, and then try to figure out WHY.
Remember, FIP is simply a stat based on walks, hits, and homeruns allowed. If a guy has a very large gap between his FIP ERA and his regular ERA, (Say more than half a run), it’s very seldom sustainable, in either direction.
So I use it like a red flag to point me in the direction, and let me know when further investigation is needed. Sometimes ERA is a perfectly good measure of what to expect from a pitcher going forward. Sometimes it’s not. It’s really just a matter of trying to figure it out.
If you are curious about these things, you use every tool you can find to get to the bottom of these questions. If you are not curious about it, than sit back, pop another beer, and relax a bit.
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by shoewizard on Dec 17, 2011 5:51 PM EST up reply actions 2 recs
A huge rec for this.
Stats like FIP aren’t meant to be used so simplistically as to say “oh, his FIP is half a run higher than his ERA, he must be lucky!” They’re designed to allow for further investigation.
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by Dan Strittmatter on Dec 17, 2011 11:46 PM EST up reply actions
Read up on Branch Rickey
After all, it was Mr. Rickey who started the stats revolution back in 1954, when he hired a statistician to take a new look at things and figured out that the stats being used, which were invented in the era of the horse and buggy, we not really the most accurate measures of a players value or talent.
This was presented in a Life Magazine article that year, and the content can still be read at the following link
http://www.baseballthinkfactory.org/btf/pages/essays/rickey/goodby_to_old_idea.htm
I don’t really expect you to read the article, but the point is esteemed, intelligent, accomplished, revered baseball men have been looking beyond the “traditional stats” to try to find an edge for a very long time. (See also John McGraw, Casey Stengal, Earl Weaver….etc)
Anyway, not quite sure why you are so angry, but it’s never a good thing to revel in ones ignorance, which is what you are doing when you say you don’t understand something and don’t try to explain or persuade you.
Fine……make your statement and move on. But please don’t insult people that make use of modern metrics and not expect some blowback. Because it surely will come.
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I do agree with you
about sending Shaw down. It serves no purpose, because he’s proved that he belong on the 25man roster.
Spent 88 days on the DL in 11
with a hamstring injury. Definitely adds veteranness to the bullpen.
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Yesyesyesyesyesyes!
Love this so much. There’s no doubt that in his two offseasons with AZ KT has transformed the bullpen and starting rotation (although much of the starting rotation transformation was a result of moves not done on his watch).
I’m still concerned about of offensive depth, but this has to be the NL West favorite and maybe one of the top 5 NL teams headed into 2012.
"Slump? I ain't in no slump. I just ain't hitting." Yogi Berra
by njjohn on Dec 12, 2011 7:33 PM EST via iPhone app reply actions
Yeah,
The fact that there’s no one left in the bullpen from the Byrnes era after just two offseasons is pretty staggering.
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by Zavada's Moustache on Dec 12, 2011 7:35 PM EST up reply actions
lulz!
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by Dan Strittmatter on Dec 12, 2011 9:15 PM EST up reply actions
And when you say "after just two offseasons",
KT has been GM less than fifteen months. I believe Demel is the lonly RP still on the forty man roster who pitched in the majors under Byrnes.
by Diamondhacks on Dec 12, 2011 10:00 PM EST up reply actions
Yeah
By the end of the regular season, there was no-one left on the 25-man who’d pitched for Byrnes, so less than a year for that.
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by Jim McLennan on Dec 12, 2011 10:04 PM EST up reply actions
Opening day roster now looks like
Montero
Goldschmidt
Hill
Drew (?)
Roberts
Parra
Young
Upton
Kennedy
Hudson
Cahill
Collmenter
Miley/Bauer (?)
Breslow
Patterson
Saito
Ziegler
Shaw
Hernandez
Putz
Blanco
Overbay
JohnnyMac
Bloomquist
That’s 24. Who am I missing?
ah, there we go
the infield could be better but it looks solid.
by CaptainCanuck on Dec 12, 2011 8:04 PM EST up reply actions
They might want to consider trading Bloomquist or Macdonald
and adding a 4th outfielder.
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by tcyoung
no one in their right mind would take them though
by CaptainCanuck on Dec 12, 2011 8:32 PM EST up reply actions
Maybe the Giants still want him?
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by Zavada's Moustache on Dec 12, 2011 8:37 PM EST up reply actions
That'd be kind of hilarious
But Bloomquist sadly is the fourth outfielder.
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by Dan Strittmatter on Dec 12, 2011 9:15 PM EST up reply actions
it's not going to happen before the season starts
But I hope they consider it soon after it does. Or at least let Eaton/Pollock beat out one of Blum/Bloom/JMac.
"Slump? I ain't in no slump. I just ain't hitting." Yogi Berra
by njjohn on Dec 12, 2011 8:46 PM EST via iPhone app up reply actions
This is awesome
Our backup plan looks great now with Vasquez, Demel, Miley, that rule 5 guy, and maybe even Marshall or Corbin.
Also
Munson, Brewer, Ortega. And, y’know, those Skaggs and Bauer guys.
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by Dan Strittmatter on Dec 12, 2011 9:16 PM EST up reply actions
I was speaking strictly of the bullpen.
It seems that corbin won’t have much of a shot at the 5th spot so I threw him in there thinking he could be useful in the pen.
I figured
But the first three seem like quality relief candidates. Ehh, I think Corbin will be kept a starter. Not many people project him as a reliever, mostly a pretty comfortable #4/#5, so why diminish his value when we have so many alternatives?
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by Dan Strittmatter on Dec 12, 2011 11:14 PM EST up reply actions
The more you know
"Clearly the Brewers didn't realize that going into Beast Mode raised their testosterone levels."
by tcyoung
Japanese-born, yes
Steven Randolph was born in Okinawa, and appeared out of the bullpen in 95 games in 2005.
But I’m thinking military kid most likely, so he probably wasn’t “actually” Japanese.
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by Jim McLennan on Dec 12, 2011 10:02 PM EST up reply actions
Make that 2003-04
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by Jim McLennan on Dec 12, 2011 10:03 PM EST up reply actions
anyone know how his velocity has been last year vs 2006-2007?
if there isn’t much significant change- i think its a good move
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Here you go
2007:
FB: 93.2 mph
SL: 83.2 mph
CU: 77.8 mph
2011:
FB: 90.7 mph
SL: 80.0 mph
CU: 76.1 mph
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Mr. Hall, you WILL beat it!
normal drop off it looks like
hopefully that isn’t an issue like w/ galarraga and duke
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by freeland1787 on Dec 12, 2011 8:29 PM EST up reply actions
Saunders is..........
as good as gone with this move. If we non tender him can we get anything for him? Can we trade him for offensive help?
Nope, not unless they sign him first.
He’s a FA now.
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So glad the DBacks went out
and got a LH bat to help balance the lineup
Drew, Parra, Montero? Just got Overbay as a bench guy?
Not like we’re super righty-heavy.
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by Dan Strittmatter on Dec 12, 2011 9:34 PM EST up reply actions
I was joking of course
Pulled up his b-ref page and noticed he bats LH
Good pickup by the DBacks IMO
by golfmanthee on Dec 12, 2011 10:25 PM EST up reply actions
Totally missed that
I am clearly not up to date on my relief pitcher hitting profiles.
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by Dan Strittmatter on Dec 12, 2011 11:16 PM EST up reply actions
maybe not now
…but Drew’s regular status is somewhat iffy, Montero caught more innings than any catcher in baseball, and Parra is just .756 career ops v rhp. All three are backed up (positionally) by right handed hitters.
by Diamondhacks on Dec 12, 2011 10:40 PM EST up reply actions
Where would they put that LH bat?
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by tcyoung
Luke Scott?
He’s available. LH power off the bench. 4th OF.
He can take Blum’s roster spot.
That would be an excellent
pick. Also great in the clubhouse.
by Baseballdad on Dec 13, 2011 10:47 PM EST up reply actions
I think this is a STUPID move!
Saito is in his 40’s…he could blow his shoulder or elbow out and then we’d be out a pitcher…
I got sprayed by Ryan Roberts!!!
One relief pitcher...
it could happen, but so what?
I got nothin'.
by Bcawz on Dec 12, 2011 10:03 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
And without Saito
We’d have as many pitchers as we had before signing him in the first place.
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by Dan Strittmatter on Dec 12, 2011 11:17 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
bullpen
is looking quite stacked with no weak points, barring injury of course
Indeed.
Our collection of late inning relievers are looking pretty sweet.
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by Stupendous Man on Dec 13, 2011 1:39 AM EST via mobile up reply actions
This team's bullpen sucked so bad just two years ago...
The 180 degree turn in the quality of our relievers is pretty staggering, really.
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by Stupendous Man on Dec 13, 2011 1:41 AM EST via mobile reply actions
Here's a question for you all
Will we look to trade Putz? I mean, we love him and his pretty much lights out closer stuff but we can get pretty good value right now and great value at mid-season. And if Saito/Hernandez/Shaw look excellent why not? Putz is an injury risk and when his stuff starts to fade, he will start getting crushed because of that downward angle he has.
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I'd personally love to,
But I doubt it will happen this year. Putz was fantastic last year and probably hasn’t declined too much since then. Plus, we now have the bullpen depth to weather an injury from Putz. Overall, I suspect the PR hit that would come from trading a closer will be enough to persuade KT and co. to hold off.
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by Zavada's Moustache on Dec 13, 2011 2:38 AM EST up reply actions
I think it'd be a great idea
But, no, we almost certainly won’t. Plus, it’d be kind of weird to go out and sign another reliever right after dealing Putz, which we almost certainly would. Plus, I see no way that trading Putz to sign someone like, for instance, Micah Owings is anything other than a PR train wreck. If Hernandez struggles for even an instant early in the year, the team would get torn apart in the media. For a team trying to build a generation of young fans in the community, that kind of avoidable public humiliation is something to avoid.
Although I’m curious as to why downward plane would ever be bad? If he loses some velocity, it would likely add further sink (longer time for gravity to do its thang), and with downward plane, that’ll help keep balls on the ground to compensate for the decrease in K’s. Big concern for me is pretty much just health.
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by Dan Strittmatter on Dec 13, 2011 3:23 AM EST up reply actions
Have you noticed that he throws a lot of ball sup in the zone, especially to lefties?
He gets away with it because he throws pretty hard but when his velocity goes down he’ll see more of those pitches get crushed. The sink is a two edged sword. Longer time for gravity to do its thing but also more time for batters to pick up the spin on the ball and that’s just bad news especially with how good hitters now these days.
I do understand the PR thing though and I never really thought about that. Especially if they blow a bunch of close games.
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You WANT to throw the fastball high
to left handers.
Is it mid-February yet?
by NASCARbernet on Dec 13, 2011 10:31 AM EST up reply actions
Well
If you can do it properly…
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by Dan Strittmatter on Dec 13, 2011 3:48 PM EST up reply actions
Not really worried about the high in the zone stuff
Because he’s shown that he has impeccable control (as opposed to, say, Hernandez). Also, as far as the giving hitters more time to read the ball thingy, that just makes his splitter that much more important. Same spin, a ton more dive, still plenty of strikeout potential.
It’s not that he probably won’t see some attrition, but I don’t see any reason to suggest he’ll collapse entirely without a major lapse in control or command.
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by Dan Strittmatter on Dec 13, 2011 3:49 PM EST up reply actions
No - win now
The trade of Parker for Cahilll tells me the FO is trying to win this year. If that is the philosophy, trading Putz makes no sense, IMO.
by Craig from Az on Dec 13, 2011 9:30 AM EST up reply actions
+1
Especially with two older guys in the 7-9 inning roles. If only one of Putz/Hernandez/Saito gets hurt, we’re still in good shape. If we were to trade away Putz, then we’re a bit exposed with one injury.
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Maybe they should try Hernandez in the rotation during spring training.
no?
Yea, it’s probably all of this reliever to starter talk that’s getting to me.
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No chance IMO
1) Hernandez was pretty awful as a starter in 2010.
2) We already are going to be stacked with starters by 2014, why add Hernandez to the rotation just to move him back to the bullpen around that time once he finally adjusts to it?
3) Would strain the ’pen as he goes through his “getting used to not throwing 25 pitches in an inning and being ok” phase.
4) Joba Chamberlain
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by Dan Strittmatter on Dec 13, 2011 3:52 PM EST up reply actions
Unless I'm missing someone
the only guys in the bullpen for 2012 who had an ERA over 3.00 last year are Breslow and Hernandez and Breslow’s was a career high and Hernandez is young and improving.
I’m thinking the DBacks just locked up a monster bullpen. . . .
yes
AZ relievers in 2012
Career xFIP 2011 xFIP
Putz 3.10 3.37
Hernandez 4.67 3.66
Saito 3.20 3.74
Shaw 3.27 3.27
Ziegler 3.72 3.04
Patterson 4.24 4.24
Breslow 4.38 4.40
That’s a darned good bullpen. Note that Hernandez numbers are dramatically impacted by his (failed) attempt as a starter.
"Slump? I ain't in no slump. I just ain't hitting." Yogi Berra
Also note
That in spite of his peripherals, Saito has never had a season with an ERA above 3.
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by Dan Strittmatter on Dec 13, 2011 3:52 PM EST up reply actions
BTW somebody mentioned that the bullpen was entirely new
from 2 years ago. It goes beyond that. The entire pitching staff has turned over from 2009. Not a single guy left from that season
And perhaps even more impressive
Assuming Saunders doesn’t come back, of the 28 pitchers who worked for Arizona in 2010, only two (Hudson and Kennedy) are likely to be on the Opening Day roster next season, depending on who fills the fifth rotation spot.
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by Jim McLennan on Dec 13, 2011 10:15 AM EST up reply actions
Some old relievers
http://bbref.com/pi/shareit/AWhpk
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Hmmm
Two HOF relievers, a knuckleballer, a guy from 1963, and Saito. Hard to know what to make of that list.
by Craig from Az on Dec 13, 2011 9:34 AM EST up reply actions
Not many guys make it that far
Saito’s inclusion seems to support the hypothesis that Japanese pitchers, for one reason or another, can be effective in relief for far longer than their American counterparts.
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by Dan Strittmatter on Dec 13, 2011 3:53 PM EST up reply actions
I hope so
Because the last time a guy 42 or older had 40 or more innings of relief with a positive WAR was Jeff Fasero and Terry Mulholland in 2005, and they had exactly 0.1 WAR to get in the plus column. :)
The track record of relievers that old sucks. Check out the updated report
http://bbref.com/pi/shareit/A0dNN
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By the way.......Doug Jones !!
How did he do that at age 42-43 ??
Either he was doctoring the ball, or doctoring himself, or both I presume.
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Bullpen management
One thing worth noting is that with the Saito addition it ought to mean that Gibby can now use Shaw more flexibly (instead of just in the 7th) which ought to mean that can actually manage Ziegler properly (as a ROOGY) and not throw him out there to the wolves as he did last year too often. Breslow allows the same flexibility for Patterson. When healthy (and managed appropriately), this bullpen ought to be able to maximize the strength of all of the contributors. It should be a lot of fun to watch.
"Slump? I ain't in no slump. I just ain't hitting." Yogi Berra
you are assuming though
that it was necessity that dictated throwing Ziegler to the wolves
:(
by blue bulldog on Dec 13, 2011 12:02 PM EST up reply actions
true enough
… although now any excuses Gibby had for that garbage have been taken away.
"Slump? I ain't in no slump. I just ain't hitting." Yogi Berra
Perhaps my favorite part of this
Is Ziegler becomes a strict ROOGY. Or at least I really hope he does…
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by Dan Strittmatter on Dec 13, 2011 3:54 PM EST up reply actions
Anyone have a pipeline to Gibby?
If so, and if you only have one piece of advice to pass on to him for 2012, please let this be it.
"Slump? I ain't in no slump. I just ain't hitting." Yogi Berra
hmmm
I’d like to discuss the concepts of OBP and leadoff hitter
by Counsellmember on Dec 13, 2011 4:34 PM EST up reply actions
haha
True enough, although I think we’d both agree lineup configuration has only a very marginal impact on production while ignoring pitching splits can have a pretty dramatic impact.
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Bargain
A steal.
Where have you gone, Greg Colbrunn?
Gloroius!
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by Dan Strittmatter on Dec 13, 2011 3:54 PM EST up reply actions
Ka-ching!
Great deal. How much money does that leave us? Anyone want Beltran as a bench bat?
by Counsellmember on Dec 13, 2011 3:59 PM EST up reply actions
holy cow
Honestly, I wouldn’t have had a problem with $4M. Ridiculously good contract.
"Slump? I ain't in no slump. I just ain't hitting." Yogi Berra
i actually think
$4MM would have been somewhat of an overpay given his injury risk
but yeah, this is right around where i thought we could get Saito at.
our bullpen next year, and potentially our rotation after july, just makes me giddy too
by blue bulldog on Dec 13, 2011 7:25 PM EST up reply actions
And
there goes any risk! If we can’t eat that if need be, we are in bigger trouble than just losing a member of the bullpen
Have you been good this year? I hope so, because Gibby. Is. Watching.
by imstillhungry95 on Dec 14, 2011 12:11 AM EST up reply actions

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