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Arizona's Kevin Towers, Trevor Cahill and Craig Breslow Discuss The Trade

Today's other new Diamondback, Craig Breslow

We've got budget flexibility to be able to afford another starter. I can't say if it's going to be Joe, maybe it'll be someone externally from the outside. We've certainly had ownership support to make this deal, but if it means make another trade, or acquire another starter through free-agency, we have that ability and the wherewithal to do that, if the right deal presents itself.
-- Kevin Towers

New Diamondbacks Trevor Cahill and Craig Breslow joined Arizona GM Kevin Towers this evening to discuss the trade with Oakland, and what it means for the team. Here's a transcript of that session with the media.

Star-divide

What are your thoughts about the move and the change?
Trevor Cahill:
I was kinda surprised by it. I'd heard a lot of other guys' names being bounced around, and never thought that I'd be the first one to go. I think it should be good. I liked Oakland and was comfortable over there, but it looks like the Diamondbacks want to win, and I really want to compete and try to win a championship.

Craig Breslow: A little bit of surprise. I think Trevor touched upon it, we'd been reading so much about guys like Gio Gonzales and Andrew Bailey probably being the first pieces to move. Obviously, these are two different organizations going in two different directions, and I'm excited to be on the receiving end of this one, and dealt to a team to get a chance at a World Series championship. That's what we're out here to do.

Could you describe your spots and repertoires, and what you're dealing when you're going good?
CB:
I'm kind of a "right-handed" left-handed pitcher. In that I don't think I'm terribly 'quirky', throw from a low arm angle, or have a big, sweeping breaking ball. But in my career, I've been pretty successful at getting both left- and right-handed hitters out. So I'm not a typical left-handed pitcher who would come in and just face one hitter - I think my splits through my career have been pretty even. Hopefully a guy who can be counted on to face more than one hitter.

TC: I just throw sinkers, so if I'm down in the zone, and it's sinking that day, then usually I do good, if I'm not struggling with my command, like last year. I think that's why I struggled so much. But with that, and if my change-up is good. My slider is a work in progress, and my curveball was just added the year before last.

Have you guys had any communication with Brad Ziegler about what type of organization you can expect?
CB: Yeah, I talked to Brad earlier this evening, and he was very complimentary of the organization, said it's a great time to join the organization. There's a focus on winning, and he had nothing but positive things to say. I'm definitely excited to experience it first-hand.

How do you feel you'll add to this already talented staff in Arizona?
TC: I think it's a different scenario to Oakland. In Oakland, it seemed like we had different kinds of 'stuff' - my rookie year, I think I was the only right-hander in the rotation. So it'll be different, but I think I'll be able to fit in pretty good. I haven't seen a lot of the Diamondbacks' pitching - we played them last year in interleague, so just that, and in the playoffs.

Trevor, you had a terrific year in 2010. What went well, what did you like about that year?
TC:
I added the curveball from the year before, and I felt like I could throw that at any count, and it was a strikeout pitch. Last year, I didn't throw it that much. I think command was a big thing. I felt like I could throw my sinker on the corner when I wanted to, while last year it was more like, if I was lucky, I could throw it down the middle of the plate, and that's when I'd get hit.

And what about the adjustments you'll have to make in the National League. Are the hitters a little bit different? What about having to hit?
TC:
I think that's one of the fun parts about it. I hit in high-school and I loved to hit and interleague's always fun, so from that standpoint the whole thing should be fun. Just going to have to start over from scratch, and do the whole video work, talk to other pitcher in the rotation, figure out hitters' tendencies in the National League.

Trevor, about the extension you signed with the A's in April. When signed that, did you think you would be with Oakland for the foreseeable future?
TC: I definitely thought I would be with them for a little bit longer. With their history, they usually keep guys until they hopefully not make too much money, then trade them off and get the prospects. That's kind of the cycle, so I thought I'd be there for a little bit longer. But I'm glad to be part of a team that's trying to win right now, and hopefully there's good things going forward.

Kevin, could you talk about the reasons for the move and what you feel you've got in these two players?
Kevin Towers:
In Trevor's situation, we've acquired a player that's logged 400 innings over the last two years. He's nine months older than Jarrod Parker, he's been an All-Star, with 40 wins, a sinker-ball pitcher, which we think plays well at Chase Field. Proven winner, innings eater, young guy that we think is only going to get better. Heavy sinker with a plus-plus change-up. Guy that competes and somebody that we think, after winning the division, makes out ballclub much better. Realizing we had to give up something good, but we feel like we've got a young starter to go along with Daniel Hudson, Josh Collmenter and Ian Kennedy. Some cost control - he's signed for the next four years, with two options, so hopefully we can keep this rotation together for a long time, with four young starters that we think are as good as anybody in the NL West.

Does this end the Joe Saunders era?
KT: Not necessarily. We still have to make a decision on December 12th, that's the tender date. With Trevor in the fold right now, our rotation's that much better, but it's not to say that we're done doing business. We'd even like to add another starter. With Jarrod out of the picture now - he was penciled in as our fifth starter, so I would have to say, at this point in time, we're still looking to improve the rotation if we can.

Do you feel you have it in the budget to be able to afford starters as well as Trevor?
KT:
Yes, we've got budget flexibility to be able to afford another starter. I can't say if it's going to be Joe, maybe it'll be someone externally from the outside. We've certainly had ownership support to make this deal, but if it means make another trade, or acquire another starter through free-agency, we have that ability and the wherewithal to do that, if the right deal presents itself.

Can you talk a little about the position the organization is in right now, to be able to give up a good young pitcher like Parker?
KT: I think a lot of it is just the depth that we have in the system. Certainly, Jarrod was a tough piece to give up, but with Trevor Bauer and Tyler Skaggs and Charlie Brewer, Wade Miley, we feel we've got depth in the starting rotation. We're still, we think, in a good position with our starting pitching. If we didn't feel we had that depth, it would have been a tough deal to make, but we see a window here, specifically in the NL West, where winning the division, and we're in a kind of 'go for it' mode. So to stay on top of the division, and do whatever we can, and I think it shows the ownership support, to go out and make a deal like this. But we still feel like we have a lot of starting pitching depth as well coming along. Patrick Corbin would be another one as well.

What about losing Cowgill - what does that do to the depth in the outfield?
KT:
As of right now, if Stephen [Drew] is healthy to start the season, Willie Bloomquist probably becomes our fourth outfielder. If Stephen's not ready, we've still got Adam Eaton, we've got [C.J.] Pollock, we've got some outfield depth. Pollock and Eaton are two guys that we think are knocking at the door of the big-leagues. Not easy to move a good prospect like Cowgill. The two areas where we don't have depth are catching and middle-infield, but we feel with specifically Eaton and Pollock, these are two guys that we think, if we need another outfielder, these guys are close or ready to contribute at the big-league level.

Are you okay going in to the season with Miguel Montero and Henry Blanco, or are you looking to upgrade there?
KT:
We were fine last year with those two individuals. Both have lots of experience, but we do lack catching depth in our system. So we're still looking to find a catching prospect for our system if we can; probably more of a minor-league deal, but that's an area where we don't have much behind them. We still have Konrad Schmidt at Reno in Triple-A, but beyond that we're a little bit light. We've actually talked with a few clubs this winter about trying to add another catcher into our system, just to give us more catching depth.

Can you talk about having a guy who has done it at the major-league level, and a guy who hasn't quite done it. What security does that give you?
KT:
I think a lot of it has to do with where you're at. Where we were at a year ago, I think we probably don't make this trade. But winning 94 games and being the defending NL West champs, to be able to get a great young man, that's really only nine months older than Jarrod Parker, has been an All-Star, logged 400 innings over the last two years - we think we're in a better position to win now. And that's probably what prompted this decision and this trade.

What about adding a second left-hander to the pen?
KT: We wanted to add another left-hander, and I know Craig Breslow well. I actually signed him out of an independent league with San Diego. He's probably one of those reverse-split guys; if you look at him this year, he has probably been more effective against righties than he has lefties, but last year he was very good against left-handers. He's a work-horse, a guy that'll take the ball and can throw multiple innings. Lot of appearances, he can pitch in the sixth, seventh or eighth and I think he'll be very effective.

Do you expect to have something on Joe before the 12th, or do you think you could tender him and then decide after?
KT:
We did get a response back from him. I'd say there's probably a pretty significant gap right now from where they're at and where we're at. We've still got a few days yet before we really have to make a decision. He's still somebody that we covet, as well as some other free-agents. But as I said, we're still looking to add another starter if we can. If it's not Joe Saunders, there are some other free-agents, and there's actually some other trade opportunities that may present themselves. So D-Day's on Monday for what we decide to do with Joe. We'll certainly have to make decision, if we sign him or trade him or not-tender him. We can't say right at this point in time what's going to happen. But I'd say, based on what their position is right now, there's probably a significant gap between both sides.

Do you think you're done, except for another starting pitcher?
KT:
No. I think you win with pitching. I think from a positional player standpoint, we're probably finished, with the signing of Lyle Overbay. But probably still looking to beef up the bullpen, and possibly even that other starter. So we've still got business to do. We're not done yet.

[Thanks to Seth Pollack for the audio]

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I wrote the damn stuff out

What more do you want? :)

"Barry's Puffin has gone red and is hiding under a pirate hat!"

by Jim McLennan on Dec 10, 2011 10:52 AM EST up reply actions  

Lots and lots

of diagrams and graphs…

Is it mid-February yet?

by NASCARbernet on Dec 10, 2011 11:26 AM EST up reply actions   1 recs


[Shamelessly stolen, with modifications, from Graphjam]

"Barry's Puffin has gone red and is hiding under a pirate hat!"

by Jim McLennan on Dec 10, 2011 1:58 PM EST up reply actions   1 recs

But, but, but

where are the pictures? Those might come in handy next season.

Is it mid-February yet?

by NASCARbernet on Dec 10, 2011 8:28 PM EST up reply actions  

so

where is the audio? :)

by CaptainCanuck on Dec 10, 2011 9:51 PM EST up reply actions  

that's on me

the audio quality is horrible…conference calls are difficult to record. There’s lots of background noise of me typing, my chair squeaking, and plenty of other noises that aren’t suitable for public release.

Props to Jim to transcribing the entire thing.

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by Seth Pollack on Dec 10, 2011 1:53 PM EST up reply actions  

"Noises that aren’t suitable for public release"

Oh, Seth – to whom should I send my therapy bill?

8-O

"Barry's Puffin has gone red and is hiding under a pirate hat!"

by Jim McLennan on Dec 10, 2011 1:59 PM EST up reply actions  

i hate to say i told you so

but i predicted Saunders wouldn’t accept a low-ball offers

business just doesn’t work that way in the majors. it’s rare (like Jered Weaver rare) for people to sign below market value contracts

by blue bulldog on Dec 10, 2011 2:00 AM EST reply actions  

KT still talking about a possible free agent starter

Could mean the team still has the financial flexibility to take a run at Kuroda, though the Yankees are apparently giving him a hard look and they haven’t spent much yet this year.

by NLWestBaseball on Dec 10, 2011 2:29 AM EST reply actions  

All it will take is one injury to an outfielder

To make Willie Bloomquist your everyday left fielder.

But he wants to go get yet another starter ?

Sorry…..this just doesn’t make sense. It’s pretty short sighted actually. But typical of the types of decisions when teams make win now moves after coming off a flukey year. I guess we know what that looks like pretty good now though.

“When will they ever learn……..When will they eeeevvvvveeeerr learn”

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by shoewizard on Dec 10, 2011 3:39 AM EST reply actions  

Towers

Scares the heck out of me. I think he has an enormous blind spot when it comes to offense. I’ve expressed this many times, but I’m afraid it’s a blind spot he’s unwilling to or unable to adjust for.

"Slump? I ain't in no slump. I just ain't hitting." Yogi Berra

by njjohn on Dec 10, 2011 9:44 AM EST via iPhone app up reply actions  

Baseball is a defensive game

and KT is a traditionalist. I don’t have a problem with it, but this trade doesn’t strengthen the D’Backs, and actually weakened the defense, as Shoe implies.

Is it mid-February yet?

by NASCARbernet on Dec 10, 2011 11:27 AM EST up reply actions  

But it added a bullpen arm,

which is the most important thing, isn’t it?

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by xmet on Dec 10, 2011 11:51 AM EST up reply actions  

A better bullpen arm, anyway

but the D’backs aren’t really that weak anymore in the pen. I guess this was predictable as KT has indicated that he likes to create competition among pitchers.

Another possibility that hasn’t been discussed, is that he said he wants to get another starting pitcher, so this deal may have been made to leverage another deal for a more front-line starter.

Is it mid-February yet?

by NASCARbernet on Dec 10, 2011 12:20 PM EST up reply actions  

Oh c'mon

There was still plenty of whining about the bullpen last year.

Nothing like the year before, but we had a couple more meltdowns than the pit felt was acceptable. (And we know that Make the Pit Happy is at the top of KT’s list.)

by asteroid on Dec 10, 2011 1:32 PM EST up reply actions  

what?

I’m no KT apologist, but you can’t critique anything he did with the 2011 pen. He was masterful. Sure, it wasn’t one of the top pens in the game, but the turnaround from 2010 was nothing short of spectacular.

"Slump? I ain't in no slump. I just ain't hitting." Yogi Berra

by njjohn on Dec 10, 2011 1:51 PM EST via iPhone app up reply actions  

Having the 3 Stooges out there would have been a spectacular turnaround...

There was a lot of room for improvement.

Bottom line: I am willing to trust KT this time too.

by asteroid on Dec 10, 2011 1:58 PM EST up reply actions  

No way

Every team has a few horrible bullpen implosions a year. There was nothing last season that made me doubt KT’s ability at building a bullpen. The improvemet was dramatic. Going from one of the worst ever to middle of the pack was wonderful.

by SongBird on Dec 11, 2011 11:47 AM EST up reply actions  

'Baseball is a defensive game'

On the one hand I heartily agree with this statement. Due to the roughness of defensive metrics, I think strong defensive players may net teams the best return on their investment. Further, KT has constructed the best defensive OF in the game (kind of despite himself, but that’s okay), and he’s improved the infield defense a tick.

That said, I think the defense you’re talking about includes pitching, and on that front I’d somewhat disagree. Sure, pitching is significantly important, but no more so than offense (hitting and baserunning). Stockpiling one or the other to the detriment of the other is foolish. It’s my feeling that KT does so with pitching, using his assets to pile up pitchers while neglecting offense.

"Slump? I ain't in no slump. I just ain't hitting." Yogi Berra

by njjohn on Dec 10, 2011 1:57 PM EST via iPhone app up reply actions  

Don't agree with this at all

Baseball is exactly half offense and half defense. If your point is defense can be bought cheaper than offense, maybe that’s true (I have no idea).

by Craig from Az on Dec 10, 2011 6:34 PM EST up reply actions  

“If your point is defense can be bought cheaper than offense, maybe that’s true.”
Yump. That would be my point. While there are some points of disagreement in offensive analysis (certainly baserunning is one of those areas), there is much more significant divergence in the evaluation of defense. If an FO believes it has a superior form of evaluation I believe it can take advantage of this market inefficiency.

"Slump? I ain't in no slump. I just ain't hitting." Yogi Berra

by njjohn on Dec 10, 2011 7:58 PM EST via iPhone app up reply actions  

Worked pretty well last year

I think he deserves the slack.

If we lost one of our everyday outfielders, I strongly suspect we’d see Eaton or Pollock up here, as Towers noted in the call.

"Barry's Puffin has gone red and is hiding under a pirate hat!"

by Jim McLennan on Dec 10, 2011 12:30 PM EST up reply actions  

I'm fine cutting him some slack

As long as you give me credit that this offseason scenario was exactly what I predicted and feared: KT using the exact same strategy he used in the 2010 offseason, despite a very different team makeup.

"Slump? I ain't in no slump. I just ain't hitting." Yogi Berra

by njjohn on Dec 10, 2011 1:49 PM EST via iPhone app up reply actions  

well

at least he traded for Cahill, a meh overall trade for me, but it likely improves the team in the short term

i agree though that when it comes to offense KT has no clue

by blue bulldog on Dec 10, 2011 2:10 PM EST up reply actions  

the objective is to outscore the opponent

preventing them from scoring helps- good pitching and average offense puts us in the playoffs last season

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by freeland1787 on Dec 10, 2011 6:24 PM EST up reply actions  

“the objective is to outscore the opponent”
And with this knowledge, I think my brain exploded.

"Slump? I ain't in no slump. I just ain't hitting." Yogi Berra

by njjohn on Dec 10, 2011 7:54 PM EST via iPhone app up reply actions   1 recs

2010 was definitely not

The same sort of flukey year as 2007, though. We didn’t get outscored, and our best offensive player wasn’t a mediocre veteran who had a career year, for starters.

Ian, Daniel, Josh, and two Trevors: It's not a Christian rock group.

by Zavada's Moustache on Dec 10, 2011 2:03 PM EST up reply actions  

Grrrrrr....

*2011

Ian, Daniel, Josh, and two Trevors: It's not a Christian rock group.

by Zavada's Moustache on Dec 10, 2011 2:04 PM EST up reply actions  

Thanks!

Ian, Daniel, Josh, and two Trevors: It's not a Christian rock group.

by Zavada's Moustache on Dec 10, 2011 2:37 PM EST up reply actions  

Those 4 guys plus J-Up are the face of the franchise right now

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by freeland1787 on Dec 10, 2011 6:25 PM EST up reply actions  

That’s one weird looking face.

"Slump? I ain't in no slump. I just ain't hitting." Yogi Berra

by njjohn on Dec 10, 2011 7:59 PM EST via iPhone app up reply actions  

if you look at our

third order pythagorean projection though, i think we did a lot better than we should have. i think i read somewhere that we were 10 games higher

part of that might be attributable to intangibles, so maybe it doesn’t regress the whole way next year. but i’d be awfully scared that it will regress somewhat. also, the Giants are going to naturally improve, as long as they stay healthy. unlikely we can count on the rash of injuries that afflicted them last year to show up again.

by blue bulldog on Dec 10, 2011 2:11 PM EST up reply actions  

And, apart from Posey's return

How are the Giants going to ‘naturally’ improve? The average age of their hitters last year was 30.2, second highest in the NL and their pitchers were 28.6 years. In the absence of any moves, that smacks of regression to me.

"Barry's Puffin has gone red and is hiding under a pirate hat!"

by Jim McLennan on Dec 10, 2011 2:21 PM EST up reply actions  

Not to mention

That they WERE actually outscored last year, so Pythag won’t be giving them any help…

Ian, Daniel, Josh, and two Trevors: It's not a Christian rock group.

by Zavada's Moustache on Dec 10, 2011 2:36 PM EST up reply actions  

I know I'm a really big homer

but I don’t see the Giants being all that better. The big thing they’re counting on is Posey returning and becoming the next Mike Piazza. I didn’t see that before the injury and I don’t now. I think his rookie season was what to expect more in his prime. 140 games on that knee is not going to happen. They’ll probably move him over to 1B and block Belt.

Plus they’re guaranteeing Zito a rotation spot? Ahhh ok…

Then you have Vogelsong regressing and their shitty offense.

by txzona on Dec 10, 2011 2:24 PM EST up reply actions  

i went to the game when the dbacks flaunted their division title by blowing out SF

some giants fans sitting behind me were making fun of Zito when he got creamed

New England Patriots: 9-3 against the Dolphins, Chargers, Bills, Raiders, Jets (x2), Cowboys, Steelers, Giants, Chiefs, Eagles, and Colts

by freeland1787 on Dec 10, 2011 6:27 PM EST up reply actions  

Thanks for posting this.

Interesting to hear the first hand perspectives on this trade.

The bird is struggling out of the egg. The egg is the world. Whoever wants to be born, must first destroy a world.

by Stupendous Man on Dec 10, 2011 8:48 AM EST via mobile reply actions  

I'd rather have a GM with the philosophy

of you win with pitching and defense than one who tries to win with offense. You can win a championship with great pitching and mediocre offense. It’s much harder to win championships with great hitting and mediocre pitching. That being said I do agree with nijohn that Towers somewhat has a blind spot for hitting. But we do have a few hitting candidates that could “progress” to counterbalance those who could “regress.” Last year’s offense was good enough to get the job done. And with a better rotation and bullpen next year, I really like our chances to be right there with the best teams in the NL. I can’t make a case that KT is doing a bad job. Here we are one year after his hiring and we’re in the upper echelon of the NL. Things could be a lot worse.

Insanity: Doing the same thing over and over and expecting a different result.

by sonic barracuda on Dec 10, 2011 12:00 PM EST reply actions  

we all can be grateful that he isn't tampering with much of the hitting

so this could get ugly

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by freeland1787 on Dec 10, 2011 1:32 PM EST up reply actions  

Agree.

Isn’t it nice that we don’t have to spin the “who can we buy? huh huh?” dial?

by asteroid on Dec 10, 2011 1:33 PM EST up reply actions  

i'd rather have a GM who can do both

at the end of the day, we’re really hoping that Goldschmidt comes through next year for us, on offense

if he does, then our offense will be fine. if he doesn’t, our offense could get ugly real quickly

by blue bulldog on Dec 10, 2011 2:13 PM EST up reply actions  

Well sorta

Even if he doesn’t come through big time, even playing somewhat less effectively than he did the last half will still end up a net gain for the 1B position over the whole year, yeah? We got zippo out of Miranda/Allen/Branyon/Nady/Oh God make it stop for a large chunk of the season.

by SenSurround on Dec 10, 2011 2:39 PM EST up reply actions  

Upton, Montero, and Young are pretty good guys to count on.

and I’d be shocked if Goldschmidt didn’t hit at least 25 HR in 500 ABs or more.

by txzona on Dec 10, 2011 2:43 PM EST up reply actions  

I'll be shocked if Goldschmidt gets 500 AB's

If he doesn’t get his K Rate under 28%

The worst major leaguer is better at baseball than I'll ever be at anything I ever do in my life.

by shoewizard on Dec 10, 2011 10:42 PM EST up reply actions  

well we dealt

with Reynolds 33%-35% K rate for 600 at bats every year and its not like we’d be much better off starting Overbay over Goldy.

I hate "Red Sox Nation"

by superwong18 on Dec 10, 2011 10:48 PM EST up reply actions  

I fixed it for you
well we dealt
with away Reynolds 33%-35% K rate

Reynolds didn’t last long after KT came aboard.

"Barry's Puffin has gone red and is hiding under a pirate hat!"

by Jim McLennan on Dec 10, 2011 11:15 PM EST up reply actions  

hahaha

yes yes that is true, but even if goldschmidts K rate were to stay at 28% there’s really no one else we could give significant at bats to, other than if we traded for someone or if borchering (lol) or davidson somehow blast through AA and we’re willing to play them at first (but they already have their K problems).

I hate "Red Sox Nation"

by superwong18 on Dec 10, 2011 11:49 PM EST up reply actions  

I'd rather have both too...

but when you have a limited payroll it’s a lot harder to do both. I’m just glad he falls on the pitcher side of things as opposed to like the Orioles who are always trying to get sluggers and fail miserably year after year. The championship rolls are littered with teams that won with great pitching and a little bit of hitting. Rarely the other way around.

Insanity: Doing the same thing over and over and expecting a different result.

by sonic barracuda on Dec 10, 2011 3:11 PM EST up reply actions  

three of the last five

WS winners all won with their hitting as better-regarded than their pitching (Cardinals 2011, Yankees 2009, Phillies 2008)

the Red Sox in 2007 is a toss-up (they had great pitching and great hitting)

Giants in 2010 is the only WS winner where arguably the pitching was quite a ways better than the hitting

i think the whole “pitching wins championships” is overblown tbh

by blue bulldog on Dec 10, 2011 5:14 PM EST up reply actions  

Of course

If you think the Cardinals were the best team in the NL last season – rather than just the best team in October – I’d beg to differ.

The Phillies had the best record in the NL, with a league-average offense.

"Barry's Puffin has gone red and is hiding under a pirate hat!"

by Jim McLennan on Dec 10, 2011 7:39 PM EST up reply actions  

... or the luckiest team

in October…

"The kingdoms of Experience, In the precious wind they rot, While paupers change possessions, Each one wishing for what the other has got, And the princess and the prince, Discuss what's real and what is not, It doesn't matter inside the Gates of Eden." B. Dylan

by xmet on Dec 10, 2011 8:04 PM EST up reply actions  

+1

The ‘pitching wins championships’ mantra isn’t really historically accurate. That isn’t to say, of course, that it isn’t important, just no more important than offense.

"Slump? I ain't in no slump. I just ain't hitting." Yogi Berra

by njjohn on Dec 10, 2011 8:01 PM EST via iPhone app up reply actions  

Hmmmm...

I think my point is getting lost in the way I stated it. In the debate of offense versus pitching wins championships I’m referring to how limited budget teams win championships, which I believe I made clear in saying a limited budget team has to have a GM focused more on pitching than hitting, i.e.the Diamondbacks. And I think one of the bigger reasons is because hitting costs so much more than pitching. It’s easier to find young, cheap elite pitching than young, elite good hitting. And you don’t need as much of it. And a good bullpen can also be constructed more cost effectively.
The Cardinals won last year because their pitching was better. Carpenter won that series almost single-handedly along with a better bullpen. So my main point is that given the Dbacks limited budget, I’m quite happy that our GM is more focused on spending money on pitching than hitting given that he pretty much has to choose between the two.
Now of course I recognize that the pitching costs for this team are kind of ridiculously low. But what dollars he does have to spend will clearly be targeted to pitching rather than more hitting. And I agree with that.

Insanity: Doing the same thing over and over and expecting a different result.

by sonic barracuda on Dec 11, 2011 1:00 PM EST up reply actions  

"Carpenter won that series almost single-handedly"

David Freese says, “hello!”

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by Dan Strittmatter on Dec 11, 2011 8:55 PM EST up reply actions  

Given where the D-Backs were before the Cahill trade

WIth a solid major league rotation and the best drop of pitching prospects in MLB, plus the best outfield defense in MLB, plus a solid bullpen, I’d say we were doing a pretty good job of pitching and defense (although the middle infield could be questionable, depending on Drew).

So I think it is time to start looking to shore up the offense. Now maybe there isn’t anybody available, or the cost is too high. But I would certainly be looking for more help on offense than starting pitching. Bullpen? Sure – bullpen arms are useful and relatively inexpensive.

by Craig from Az on Dec 10, 2011 6:39 PM EST up reply actions  

If we non tender or trade Saunders, plus this...
SATURDAY: Slusser reports that the cash considerations going to the Diamondbacks will be “a couple of hundred thousand dollars.”

Will have saved about 6 million for next year. Hey Kuroda! How you doing?

by txzona on Dec 10, 2011 2:13 PM EST reply actions  

Tell them about the vintage Bentley of mine...

if that ‘couple of hundred thousand dollars’ is burning a hole in the pocket.

Is it mid-February yet?

by NASCARbernet on Dec 10, 2011 3:30 PM EST up reply actions  

that prb equates to trevor bauer's raise

when he makes the club

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by freeland1787 on Dec 10, 2011 6:28 PM EST up reply actions  

Good

then he can buy my Bentley.

Is it mid-February yet?

by NASCARbernet on Dec 10, 2011 8:31 PM EST up reply actions  

The "couple of hundred thousand dollars"

must have been too much for KT to resist.

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by xmet on Dec 10, 2011 7:07 PM EST up reply actions  

I’m going to miss Parker and I would have loved to see him in the #5 spot this year, but I feel a lot more comfortable with Cahill in the #3 spot than Collmenter or Saunders. Best of luck to Parker, hope he tears it up in the AL

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by superwong18 on Dec 10, 2011 5:24 PM EST reply actions  

By the end of the season

Collmenter will be the number three, and Cahill will be traded.

Is it mid-February yet?

by NASCARbernet on Dec 10, 2011 5:53 PM EST up reply actions  

He doesn't joke about

Josh

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by xmet on Dec 10, 2011 6:05 PM EST up reply actions  

I'd hope

Cahill isnt traded, but it’d be nice if Collmenter really developed his curve and turned himself into a #3 starter.

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by superwong18 on Dec 10, 2011 6:30 PM EST up reply actions  

But seriously

Cahill’s only due 3 and 5 million over the next two years. He’ll be one of the keys to repeating as NL West Champs. In a 5 game series we will be able to line up Kennedy, Hudson, and Cahill…that’s pretty good. Why would they trade him?

We get it you, you think Josh Collmenter is really good. That’s your opinion. I remember you were also keen on keeping Enright in the rotation early last year. We all know how that turned out.

Obviously Collmenter is better than Enright, but just to assume he’s a solid #3 on a world series contender is crazy. You can’t rely on Josh giving us 200 innings with a sub 4 ERA. You can hope, but you can’t rely.

by txzona on Dec 10, 2011 6:36 PM EST up reply actions  

Doesn't the same apply to Cahill?

A repeat of 2010 performance in 2012 could happen, but he could also repeat 2009 or 2011, or worse yet, become the second coming of Duke.

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by xmet on Dec 10, 2011 7:33 PM EST up reply actions  

See my comment elsewhere

No reason to think this at all.

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by Jim McLennan on Dec 10, 2011 7:45 PM EST up reply actions  

Cahill/Duke?

Yeah, lulz.

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by Dan Strittmatter on Dec 10, 2011 8:12 PM EST up reply actions  

Whoa. This is as crazy as the statements JJ Miller was making on the other side. Cahill is certainly a quality MLB arm. Duke? Notsomuch.

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by njjohn on Dec 10, 2011 8:17 PM EST via iPhone app up reply actions  

Zuke?

I’ll have some of what you’re smoking.

by txzona on Dec 10, 2011 8:13 PM EST up reply actions  

Zuke? who's Zuke

lol Duke

We’re both clearly on something.

by txzona on Dec 10, 2011 8:17 PM EST up reply actions  

Just emphasizing the point that

there’s no guarantee that Cahill will produce a sub 4 ERA in 2012. If what I’ve read elsewhere about him getting hit hard (reminding me of Duke) is true, I think he’d be lucky to even come close to that in Chase.

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by xmet on Dec 10, 2011 8:26 PM EST up reply actions  

I share your skepticism

but I’d be okay with him proving me wrong by throwing ten perfect games this upcoming season.

Is it mid-February yet?

by NASCARbernet on Dec 10, 2011 8:33 PM EST up reply actions  

I would settle for the projected

sub 4 ERA.

"The kingdoms of Experience, In the precious wind they rot, While paupers change possessions, Each one wishing for what the other has got, And the princess and the prince, Discuss what's real and what is not, It doesn't matter inside the Gates of Eden." B. Dylan

by xmet on Dec 10, 2011 10:02 PM EST up reply actions  

That's what's wrong with our country these days

we accept diminished expectations…

Is it mid-February yet?

by NASCARbernet on Dec 10, 2011 10:09 PM EST up reply actions  

It would be an improvement over

2 of his 3 MLB years.

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by xmet on Dec 10, 2011 10:18 PM EST up reply actions  

I agree with others

Who think he’s a 3.8-4.1 FIP guy. So I don’t think sub 4 is a long shot. I’d be more surprised to see him at 4.5 than 3.5, in fact.

"Slump? I ain't in no slump. I just ain't hitting." Yogi Berra

by njjohn on Dec 10, 2011 8:42 PM EST via iPhone app up reply actions  

Ummm

Duke was bad in the NL before getting here. Cahill has been solid in the AL. That’s a rather absurd comarison.

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by Dan Strittmatter on Dec 10, 2011 8:53 PM EST up reply actions  

Wasn't meant to be a comparision,

it’s just that pitch to contact reminded me of Duke.

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by xmet on Dec 10, 2011 10:04 PM EST up reply actions  

yeah

Cahill has already shown he can be a #3 starter in the AL and the move to the NL West should help some. All Duke has shown in his career is the ability to leave balls up in the zone and get hit hard.

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by superwong18 on Dec 10, 2011 8:58 PM EST up reply actions  

No way

Cahill isn’t Brandon Webb part deux, but he is a solid pitcher. Duke was always mediocre. I had some hope for him at one point this season, but as it turned out he was what he thought he was.

by SongBird on Dec 11, 2011 12:07 PM EST up reply actions  

Is

Eaton naturally an outfielder? When I saw him play in the AFL, he was playing 3rd, so I was under the assumption that he was a infielder. Is this incorrect or are they planning on moving him to the OF?

Have you been good this year? I hope so, because Gibby. Is. Watching.

by imstillhungry95 on Dec 10, 2011 9:46 PM EST reply actions  

Eaton is left handed

how is it possible that he was playing third?

by CaptainCanuck on Dec 10, 2011 9:52 PM EST up reply actions  

man

if Eaton could throw with his right and play middle infield……

he’d be an amazing prospect :(

by blue bulldog on Dec 10, 2011 9:56 PM EST up reply actions  

That was definitely Wheeler.

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by Dan Strittmatter on Dec 10, 2011 10:12 PM EST up reply actions  

think he will make it to the show this season?

he hit well in mobile and reno isn’t going to prove anything

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by freeland1787 on Dec 11, 2011 12:30 AM EST up reply actions  

doubt it

even if he does, he’s not likely ever to be more than a solid bench player.

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by superwong18 on Dec 11, 2011 12:37 AM EST up reply actions  

Didn't play in Reno last year

But he could make it as a backup if Blum gets hurt. Would be a 3B who hits left-handed, which would help compliment Roberts.

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by Dan Strittmatter on Dec 11, 2011 8:56 PM EST up reply actions  

You're all right

getting my prospects confused. Whoops!

Have you been good this year? I hope so, because Gibby. Is. Watching.

by imstillhungry95 on Dec 11, 2011 12:55 AM EST up reply actions  

The obvious good news

Is that Cahill throws a sinker that looks like this:

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by Dan Strittmatter on Dec 10, 2011 10:35 PM EST reply actions  

The obvious bad news

Is that the catcher set up about two feet lower than where the pitch ended up.

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by Dan Strittmatter on Dec 10, 2011 10:35 PM EST up reply actions  

Above the belt sinker

mmmmmmmmmm

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by xmet on Dec 10, 2011 10:57 PM EST up reply actions  

is there a gif of him not throwing a pitch a left-handed hitter could put in the bleachers?

esp w/ a sinker baller on the mound- i don’t want that to foreshadow him giving up HR’s

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by freeland1787 on Dec 11, 2011 12:29 AM EST up reply actions  

well

fwiw, you missed the aspect of the news that was good

which is that the pitch moves a ton, and the batter has no idea where it’s going.

by blue bulldog on Dec 11, 2011 1:17 AM EST up reply actions  

That is definitely nice

And that is what intrigued me in all the video I watched. However, it also seems like both Cahill and the catcher have no idea where it is going. Which is a bit more worrisome.

Maybe he will solve his command problems. Then I could get a bit excited.

by SongBird on Dec 11, 2011 12:12 PM EST up reply actions  

It's not like the pitch was terrible

Considering that Shin-Soo Choo, an awfully good hitter, was too caught up with getting out of the way of the pitch so as to not get plunked to worry about trying to hit it out.

Obviously, “needs improvement” is a label that can be attached, but “promising” certainly applies too.

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by Dan Strittmatter on Dec 11, 2011 8:57 PM EST up reply actions  

All Montero Has To Do

is make sure he can pull that one down and get the call. Pitch was obviously high (and MAYBE caught the inside “black”) and not really “hitable”. Note how the ball is pulled down to belt level.

by Rowdy Rawhide on Dec 11, 2011 2:46 AM EST up reply actions  

Looks to me like it was right at the mid point of

the top of the shoulders and the top of the uniform pants, making it a strike as it caught the inside rear corner of the plate. It wasn’t hittable only because the hitter was crowding the plate, back a little and it’s up, up and away.

If he was trying to do back the hitter off the plate it was a good pitch, but since the mitt was originally low it looks like he got lucky.

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by xmet on Dec 11, 2011 6:15 AM EST up reply actions  

if that

sinker is a couple more inches over the plate, Choo crushes. Don’t really understand why they would use that clip in the article.

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by superwong18 on Dec 10, 2011 10:41 PM EST up reply actions  

Or if Choo wasn't crowding the plate,

sinker up, up ,and away.

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by xmet on Dec 10, 2011 10:59 PM EST up reply actions  

let's hope

we don’t see this too much next season.

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by superwong18 on Dec 10, 2011 11:02 PM EST up reply actions  

Amen

to that!

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by xmet on Dec 10, 2011 11:15 PM EST up reply actions  

mark grace would be saying that pitch isn't a strike

if it isn’t strike 3

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by freeland1787 on Dec 11, 2011 12:30 AM EST up reply actions   1 recs

Goodness, people

::whoosh::

That’s the point going over everyone’s head. :-P

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by Dan Strittmatter on Dec 11, 2011 8:58 PM EST up reply actions  

Don't think it went over heads, it was just a good post

that lured several of us onto the bandwagon, unable to resist adding some individual decoration after getting on board. Slow mo twitter, if you will.

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by xmet on Dec 12, 2011 4:58 AM EST up reply actions  

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