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AZ SnakePit Top-30 Prospects List For 2011 - #21-25

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Another week, another five D-backs prospects to cover as a part of the AZ SnakePit Top-30 Prospects List.  In today's group, we see a mix of projectability and polish, with a pair of high-upside talents book-ending the group and three polished, quick-rising pitchers in-between.  Additionally, one prospect in today's group drew very different opinions from blue bulldog and me, falling outside of my personal top-30 list but landing inside bb's top-15.  Check out the details on where we disagree and the rest of this week's quintet after the break in the second update of the AZ SnakePit Top-30 Prospect List!

For those who have yet to check out how this list was created, refer back to the preview for all of the details.

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#21 (tied) - 2B David Nick
Dan: 18 / Michael : 26

Going into the year, the D-backs really had only two serious middle-infield prospects, shortstops Chris Owings and Raul Navarro. Navarro fell off a cliff in 2011, failing to reach base, hit for contact, or hit for power at both South Bend and Yakima, failing to make BA's list of the top-20 prospects in the Northwest League or Midwest League, and not cracking the top-30 on either bb's or my list. Fortunately for Arizona, Nick stepped up at Hi-A Visalia, building on a solid-but-not-great 2010 season with the Silver Hawks in which he collected a 99 wOBA+ by putting up a 102 wOBA+ with the Rawhide in 2011. With a strong age-relative-to-league working for Nick as a 21-year-old in the Cal League, Nick is the organization's best long-term answer at second from down on the farm. The organization sensed this and sent Nick to the Arizona Fall League this year to gain some experience against upper-level pitching.

Nick didn't have a ton of plate appearances against left-handed pitchers in 2011, but it's worth noting that he absolutely destroys them. Because of this high platoon split, Nick profiles at least as a nice right-handed hitting utility infield type who can provide value off the bench as a right-handed pinch hitter. He won't ever have the arm to man shortstop or third base regularly, but if he can't be an everyday second baseman, he could make occasional appearances all around the diamond as necessary. His defense at second has faced some questions in his short career, but the organization believes that he made significant strides at second base in 2011.  Of course, Nick faces the challenging jump from Hi-A to Double-A in 2012, which will give us a better idea of how his bat will project to the big leagues, and could vault him into Arizona's plans as soon as 2013.

 

#21 (tied) RHP Chase Anderson
Dan: NR / Michael : 13

Chase Anderson entered 2011 as one of my personal top-10 prospects in the system after posting great peripheral numbers in Low-A and Hi-A on the strength of a change-up that Keith Law had called "nearly unhittable." His average fastball velocity and rough third pitch - a curveball - caused concern as to how he would adapt to the upper levels, but in what was then a thin system, he had gotten my attention with exceptional strikeout rates. Unfortunately, after posting a ridiculous 20:1 K:BB ratio in his first few outings for the Rawhide in 2011, Anderson was shut down with an elbow issue that cost him the rest of the season. After working as a reliever at the University of Oklahoma, it seems that Anderson's arm simply fell apart while trying to build up innings in a starting role.

This, of course, brings to question what Anderson's future with the D-backs will be. Even with a fastball that teeters on the edge of the upper-80's and low-90's in long outings, the wicked dive and fading action on his change-up gives Anderson an out pitch, and his ability to change speeds allows his velocity to play up a little, giving him two pitches worth of a starter's arsenal.  If he can develop his curveball into an average big-league offering and build up innings counts, Anderson can make a quality big-league starting pitcher.  When the system's pitching depth was scarily thin in 2010, Anderson's potential as a bona fide starting pitcher was worth being patient for, particularly since the D-backs looked like they would be itching for additional starters to fill out the rotation behind Ian Kennedy and Daniel Hudson in a few years.

Now, though, with the organization suddenly flush with starting pitching that should turn out to be at least MOR-quality, it isn't nearly as urgent to continue developing Anderson as a starter if he continues to struggle keeping his arm healthy. With Anderson's history of low single-season innings counts, age (23 years old), primarily two-pitch arsenal, and track record of succeeding out of the bullpen in college, taking the conservative approach and converting Anderson to relief might be prudent. If his fastball can tick up consistently in the low-90's while working in short stints, he could become a phenomenal fastball/change-up reliever with his wipe-out change-up (which would also benefit from additional velocity separation if his fastball ticks up).

 

#23 - RHP Kevin Munson
Dan: 25 / Michael : 20

Selected in the fourth round of the 2010 draft, Munson was perhaps the top college closer of his draft crop, sporting a low-to-mid-90's fastball and wipeout slider that projected him comfortably to an eighth-inning role. However, Munson has had some issues in his young career with control, which kept him in A-ball during his pro debut (compared to Evan Marshall, who reached Double-A within months of being drafted this year) despite big-league-quality stuff. Back at Hi-A to begin 2011, Munson was able to weather the Cal League storm despite his walk-happy ways - 41 in 53.2 innings - by striking out a preposterous number of batters - 76, a rate of 12.75 K/9.

Those rates earned Munson a late-season promotion to Double-A, working three scoreless innings over two appearances for the BayBears in the regular season before joining the team for its post-season run. Munson then headed to the Arizona Fall League, where he began his stint with the Salt River Rafters by striking out the side in his first two innings of work, and posting a 13:0 K:BB ratio through his first 8.2 innings. In perhaps his most notable AFL appearance, a scoreless ninth frame in which Munson secured his first save for the Rafters, Munson struck out Angels outfield uber-prospect Mike Trout swinging, struck out Red Sox breakout third base prospect Will Middlebrooks swinging, and got The Bryce Harper (TM) to ground out. Talk about a good day on the job.

If Munson can continue to miss bats the way he has in the AFL while showing sharp control, he could beat his initial eighth-inning projections and close in the big leagues, despite the lack of upper-90's velocity.  However, hoping that a sample of sharp control in fewer than ten innings is at all predictive is extremely speculative, and if Munson continues to occasionally struggle with walks, he'll fall short of a ninth-inning role.  For a fourth-round pick from 2010, though, that's a heck of a find.

 

#24 - RHP Ryan Cook
Dan: 29 / Michael : 19

Cook, like Bryan Shaw, was moved from starting in 2010 to full-time relief in 2011, and while he didn't have quite the success that Shaw had in Arizona, the transition to the bullpen went very well overall. After struggling with control and an inability to miss enough bats as a starter for the Rawhide in 2010 due to a lack of a quality third pitch - or even a second pitch, frankly - Cook was able to amp up his fastball use as a reliever (Cook threw the pitch 67.3% of the time with the D-backs, according to FanGraphs). Working in short stints out of the 'pen, Cook has seen his fastball velocity dramatically tick up, consistently sitting around 95 mph (average fastball velocity: 94.8 mph) with his heater to abuse Double-A bats as the BayBears' closer after Shaw's first promotion to Reno.

Cook was called up to the big leagues straight from Double-A, but had an infamous debut in the major leagues against the Brewers (in the Stephen Drew injury game) in which he failed to record an out while being tagged with three runs. He wound up making four appearances with Arizona in that first stint, giving up four earned runs while notching just a total of five outs.  However, after heading back down to Reno after that initial rough patch, Cook re-joined the team in September and pitched much better down the stretch, giving up two runs in six innings of work in September. His mid-90's fastball still gives him a ceiling working in the eighth inning if he can make his slider into a quality offering.

Cook has a motion-intensive and effort-heavy delivery - which looked really painful from my seat on the couch - that includes a massive wrist wrap after he separates his hands, a sharp stab at the bottom of his wind-up, and an elbow "M" as he transitions into his delivery.  The wrist wrap could be costing Cook command of the strike zone, while the stab and the "M" are each believed to be an early indicator of elbow issues by some evaluators. I'm honestly surprised that those mechanics held up as a starter in the minors as long as they did, as the brief glimpses we saw in the big-leagues this year absolutely scream relief. Even with the move to short stints, Cook could be the type of reliever whose delivery acts as a ticking time bomb of sorts, with only so many bullets available before a seemingly-inevitable breakdown, a la Jonathan Broxton. With an arm that big, though, he could provide Arizona with some serious big-league value before the meltdown comes, if he's able to consistently control the strike zone the way he was able to in September.

 

#25 - RHP J.R. Bradley
Dan: 20 / Michael : 29

J.R. Bradley is a personal favorite from my time watching the South Bend Silver Hawks this year. While Adam Eaton came out of nowhere to emerge as the cream of Arizona's 2010 draft crop (not counting Barret Loux, who has turned himself into a very good prospect for the Rangers), Bradley remains an enticing high-upside pitching prospect who deserves more exposure than he gets.  Bradley has shown himself to be more durable than your typical teenage starting pitching prospect, starting 27 games and working 142.2 innings for the Silver Hawks in 2011, maintaining his velocity late into the year - he was exclusively in the 90's in the first inning of his second-to-last start of the season, August 30 against Lake County.

Bradley currently sits mostly 90-92 mph with his fastball, occasionally dipping down into the upper-80's, but with tons of physical projection remaining. With his broad shoulders and wiry current build, we could easily be watching Bradley throwing 93-95 mph in the majors four years from now. The pitch also features some nice arm-side run, although it will be important to monitor how the pitch's movement changes in the event that Bradley adds velocity to his fastball. Bradley's three-pitch mix also includes a curveball and change-up that both show potential as at least average major-league pitches. I particularly like the change-up, which I saw induce several early, off-balance swings in Bradley's best outing of the year (the aforementioned start against Lake County) and features good arm action and some fade. If everything breaks in Bradley's favor, that arsenal projects him to the middle of a big-league rotation.

The biggest thing that Bradley needs to work on is the command of his fastball. Given that he turned 19 years old during the season, he has a ton of time to iron out those command issues, but with the caliber of his stuff, Bradley was way too hittable in the Midwest League, a friendly environment for pitchers. Thankfully, Bradley features simple mechanics with minimal effort that he repeats well, so hopefully his command will improve with repetitions. The August 30 outing I saw was evidence of what Bradley's stuff will allow him to do when his command is on, as he struck out nine and walked just two in seven innings, allowing a pair of unearned runs and generating 21 swinging strikes by keeping his three pitches in the lower parts of the zone and on the outer thirds of the plate.  However, Bradley's 4.98 ERA on the year is evidence of what can go wrong when he leaves his fastball up and over the middle of the plate.

Of course, as with any teenage pitching prospect, the risk of Bradley never reaching the major leagues is pretty high. Even the most mechanically-sound pitching prospects can have their careers derailed by injury, and the physical projection of Bradley's velocity is little more than a dream at this point. However, pitchers like Bradley can also have it "click" at any moment and begin to rise meteorically through the system and up prospect boards. Something else to keep in mind to provide perspective on how much Bradley could improve in the coming years: J.R. is just two months and one day older than Archie Bradley.

 

We're already a third of the way through this year's list, and the quality of Arizona's farm depth continues to speak for itself as we prepare to dive into the top-20 next week.  Two of the prospects on this week's list - Munson and Cook - have strong chances to see time at the big-league level in 2012, Nick and Bradley have phenomenal upside, and Anderson remains a wild card who could still emerge as a quality big-league starting pitcher or solid reliever within a couple of years.  Coming from outside the top-20 prospects of the system, that's some awfully impressive talent.

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I'm really liking J.R. Bradley.

With all of the excellent pitching prospects in the system, Bradley is oft overlooked. But in a weaker system, he could easily rank as a top 15 prospect. He might need a move to the bullpen if he’s going to pitch in Arizona one day.

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by Stupendous Man on Nov 4, 2011 12:27 PM EDT via mobile reply actions  

As mentioned in the post

I’m a huge Bradley fan. He might need a move to relief, but only because of a lack of rotation spots. He already has a three-pitch mix that should work just fine as a starter. Definitely would be a top-15 guy in other systems, would be a top-10 guy for a system like Houston’s or Milwaukee’s (but that isn’t exactly saying a ton haha).

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by Dan Strittmatter on Nov 4, 2011 12:53 PM EDT up reply actions  

I'm a big Astros fan as well as D-backs fan,

And I think that Bradley would DEFINITELY crack Houston’s top 10. Which is great for Arizona fans, but obviously sad for Astros fans. But their system improved a lot this year after phase two of the fire sale.

And I agree that Bradley has the stuff to succeed as a starter one day…there just simply isn’t a spot for him as of yet. But that’s a good problem to have, of course.

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by Stupendous Man on Nov 4, 2011 1:02 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions  

Well, he's definitely three years off at least

So we’ve got time to find a spot for him if he pans out. Not something to worry about quite yet.

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by Dan Strittmatter on Nov 4, 2011 1:13 PM EDT up reply actions  

I have been saying it all year,

the 2010 high school arms will be interesting to watch and follow (JR Bradley, Rowland, Green and Perry). Yes, they are all young and provide us only something to dream on at this point. But I beleive you have all four in your top 35 and most of them ranked higher than you had them last year. In a system that clearly elevated its talent base this year that’s saying something. I look forward to seeing if they can make further progress in the next few years.

by DBackFan4 on Nov 4, 2011 2:02 PM EDT reply actions  

This system needs more offense.

What are we going to do with all of this pitching!

by txzona on Nov 4, 2011 2:03 PM EDT reply actions  

The big-league level has plenty of offense, no?

But only a couple of locked-down rotation slots for the next couple years. We have a bunch of good upper-level arms, but they’re no guarantee (like any arm). With the demand for starting pitching that is constantly plaguing the big leagues, too much pitching is always a great thing.

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by Dan Strittmatter on Nov 4, 2011 3:02 PM EDT up reply actions  

It's good enough

You do agree that Matt Davidson being our top hitting prospect is a bit weak though?

by txzona on Nov 4, 2011 3:10 PM EDT up reply actions  

I agree with that.

Davidson is nice and all, but there aren’t many farm systems where he would rank as the top hitting prospect…

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by Stupendous Man on Nov 4, 2011 3:45 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions  

Not really...

He’s definitely a top-100 guy and I have him at a grade B. With A.J. Pollock not all that far behind in my view, that’s a decent – certainly not overwhelming, but decent – group of bats.

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by Dan Strittmatter on Nov 4, 2011 4:17 PM EDT up reply actions  

Are You Thinking 3rd or 1st?

As you know, Davidson platooned with Borchering at these positions in ‘11. I’m gonna stick with Wheeler making it before either of these two guys. (Not a prediction, but merely to add to the pot and stir it a bit. LOL.)

by Rowdy Rawhide on Nov 4, 2011 5:41 PM EDT up reply actions  

3B

Borch is gone from the position, so Davidson will get full-season reps to improve his glovework, and I think he’ll stick. Wheeler might “make it” before each of those guys, but I don’t see him establishing himself as a regular.

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by Dan Strittmatter on Nov 5, 2011 1:51 AM EDT up reply actions  

not definitely

or at least, i’d be surprised if all the major lists would have him in the Top 100, especially given the strong incoming draftees

by blue bulldog on Nov 5, 2011 2:27 AM EDT up reply actions  

My opinion, of course.

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by Dan Strittmatter on Nov 5, 2011 2:33 AM EDT up reply actions  

not locked in long-term though

only JUp will be around (maybe Goldy, depending on how he holds up) when these prospects start filtering into the majors

by blue bulldog on Nov 4, 2011 3:48 PM EDT up reply actions  

CY? Parra? Roberts?

Realistically, how many teams have their entire future offense locked up long-term?

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by Dan Strittmatter on Nov 4, 2011 4:17 PM EDT up reply actions  

Roberts?

how long-term are we talking about here? He’s a nice story but Should we really depend on him to hit .250/.340/.427 two or three years down the road? Especially with Davidson/Borchering coming up pretty soon and KT under the helm looking for more diamonds in the rough to plug into starting positions.

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by blank_38 on Nov 4, 2011 4:28 PM EDT up reply actions  

Of course not

But he’s under control for four years and should at least be a useful reserve for that time. Probably a non-tender candidate in the last two of those, but he’s under control if we need him and it’s not completely out of the realm of possibility that he sustains his early-30’s blossom.

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by Dan Strittmatter on Nov 4, 2011 4:37 PM EDT up reply actions  

i just meant comparably

the thread is about the relative depth of our minor league pitching vs. position prospects

we could honestly only use arms from our farm for the next five to six years, for pitching, and i wouldn’t be surprised. there’s no way we’ll be able to do that for position prospects (yes, i’m aware there are eight position starters and only five pitching starters)

by blue bulldog on Nov 5, 2011 2:29 AM EDT up reply actions  

Trade some of it..........

for some offense :-) Although as Dan like to remind me, you can never have too much pitching. Guys don’t develop as expected, some guys get hurt and others simply flame out.

by DBackFan4 on Nov 4, 2011 2:28 PM EDT reply actions  

thinking the same

I agree you can never have too much pitching, but what about guys like Bradley? A young player who many say has the potential to be a starting pitcher, but one that may be sent to the bullpen because we have so so many fabulous rotation candidates ahead of him.

Would it be better to trade those guys as SP prospects now rather than wait until they are forced to the pen before deciding what to do with them?

by Counsellmember on Nov 4, 2011 3:15 PM EDT up reply actions  

my additional comments

Nick – There’s always been a huge discrepancy between me and Dan on how valuable Nick is. While I’ve started liking him more recently, he still falls under the general category of prospects that I dislike (I call it the Triple No): no power, no strikeouts, no walks. In my opinion, you can make up for that by playing a premium position (SS, C). Otherwise, you’re just not that exciting of a prospect. Kudos to Nick for having a bounce back year. He was able to bring down his K%, and increase his ISO somewhat, albeit, in the power-friendly Cal League. However, I think he’s going to have a huge challenge in AA next year, and I just don’t see the same upside Dan does.

Pitchers – The differences between Dan and I on the rest of these guys, can largely be chalked up to one of my new pet theories. I think minor league pitching prospects with reliever profiles are getting underrated relative to starting pitching prospects. I haven’t done a systematic look at past rankings, but it seems to me that a lot of times, a guy with a starting pitching prospect profile categorically gets ranked higher than the relief prospect, even though the relief prospect may have a higher expected value (we don’t really know). Craig Kimbrel was ranked 86th last year in BA’s Top 100. He is assuredly going to put up a lot more WAR than plenty of the pitching prospects listed above him. Ditto for the numerous relief prospects that never even broke the BA Top 100.

This is why I ended up having JR Bradley a lot lower than Dan, and Munson, and Cook, a bit higher. As for Chase Anderson, part of the discrepancy between me and Dan, is that I’m absolutely in love with changeup artists (he had the best changeup in our farm, a year ago), as I think a good changeup is better at generating swinging strikes, than a good breaking ball. Another is that I probably have a lower risk assessment of Anderson’s injury recovery. Another is the relief prospect v. starting pitching prospect analysis above (Anderson was absolutely phenomenal in short stints a year ago).

by blue bulldog on Nov 4, 2011 4:10 PM EDT reply actions  

Second base is a premium position

Up-the-middle prospects are awfully hard to find, particularly ones with plus bats (you can debate this, of course, but I see that as Nick’s potential).

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by Dan Strittmatter on Nov 4, 2011 4:20 PM EDT up reply actions  

Ditto

As a season ticket holder for Visalia, I saw a LOT of Nick. I posted before that he isn’t “flashy”, but he was a CONSISTENT .280-.300 hitter. No power? Hmmmm…Okay, he wasn’t Goldy, but he did put up some HR’s and lots of line-drives. He’s young and (IMO)has good instincts. Like I said months ago, he made up 1/2 of the best middle infield I’ve seen in Visalia in 10 years (including the Rays when they were there). He and Owings are young. I’m not really into predicting too much for obvious reasons, but if Nick can keep hitting and remain steady in the field, he could be ready by 2014-15. Owings…he’s way to young to tell, but I like him. It will be fun to see how these two do at Mobile in 2012. Nick is a top “prospect” in the Dbacks system…no question in my mind.

by Rowdy Rawhide on Nov 4, 2011 5:36 PM EDT up reply actions  

Well, Owings will be back in Visalia

But it’ll be interesting to see what Nick does in Mobile.

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by Dan Strittmatter on Nov 5, 2011 1:52 AM EDT up reply actions  

that's interesting to note

about Nick’s defense

i haven’t heard much about that elsewhere, but if he really is that good at defense at Visalia, then his value goes up.

i just don’t see the power though (<150 ISO in Cal League doesn’t mean all that much), and i haven’t read anywhere where scouts expect power to come in the future. i guess i just think he has a long way to go in my mind. maybe 2011 Omar Infante numbers (in terms of hitting, i have no idea what his defense is like) as a 90th percentile? that’s probably where i stand right now.

by blue bulldog on Nov 5, 2011 2:35 AM EDT up reply actions  

Great write up

I just wanna nitpick here but can you flip the list so I read up to down not down to up? If not no worries.
Also, kind of scary how many pitching prospects we actually have. We should be big players in the trade market soon.

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by blank_38 on Nov 4, 2011 4:17 PM EDT reply actions  

I'm keeping it like this for the 6-30 posts

Because, really, the difference between #21 and #25 isn’t much. Like, at all… but the 1-5 are listed in descending order, for dramatic effect and whatnot. :-)

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by Dan Strittmatter on Nov 4, 2011 4:19 PM EDT up reply actions  

haha k I understand that

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by blank_38 on Nov 4, 2011 4:22 PM EDT up reply actions  

Something else I'd like to see...

and it’s a little nitpicky, is a link attached to all the exotic stats you use. Perhaps a floating link where you can hover over it and it explains what it is? I just can’t memorize all those different statistical references when you are spouting them 3 or 4 per sentence. Not a big deal if that’s unrealistic. Maybe I should memorize them, haha.

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by sonic barracuda on Nov 4, 2011 8:55 PM EDT reply actions   1 recs

www.statcorner.com

It’s a gold mine.

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by Dan Strittmatter on Nov 5, 2011 1:52 AM EDT up reply actions  

Unless you meant

This?

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by Dan Strittmatter on Nov 5, 2011 1:53 AM EDT up reply actions  

Cook's mechanics

are better in my opinion (though not greatl) than your putting them. I do agree with the wrist wrap but the elbow M IMO is a proponent to his velocity. The M helps to put some more pressure on the scapula giving him more scapular load thus giving him more velocity and less stress on his arm. Yes, some players with the same arm action have had elbow injuries, but so have other players with so called “clean mechanics”

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by superwong18 on Nov 5, 2011 12:55 PM EDT reply actions  

It's a debated mechanical quirk

Some hate it, others think it’s irrelevant.

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by Dan Strittmatter on Nov 5, 2011 1:44 PM EDT up reply actions  

i really don't like the sharp jab he makes

right before he pitches

i don’t understand all that much about pitching mechanics, but it just seems to me like that could affect his control. overall, the mechanics definitely don’t look clean to me.

by blue bulldog on Nov 5, 2011 2:58 PM EDT up reply actions  

i agree to an extent

the sharp jab reminds me of ubaldo jimenez and although it looks unnatural (and frankly the whole pitching motion is unnatural) i do not think it is as bad as it appears. As long as he maintains good external rotation in his elbow and shoulder, it should not be a problem. I think the ugliest part of his delivery is really is lower and front half. In the little ive seen him pitch, he has not kept his front half closed long enough and his hips have rotated at basically the same time his front has meaning he will fly open which typically leads to inconsistent control.

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by superwong18 on Nov 5, 2011 3:15 PM EDT up reply actions  

i agree to an extent

the sharp jab reminds me of ubaldo jimenez and although it looks unnatural (and frankly the whole pitching motion is unnatural) i do not think it is as bad as it appears. As long as he maintains good external rotation in his elbow and shoulder, it should not be a problem. I think the ugliest part of his delivery is really is lower and front half. In the little ive seen him pitch, he has not kept his front half closed long enough and his hips have rotated at basically the same time his front has meaning he will fly open which typically leads to inconsistent control.

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by superwong18 on Nov 5, 2011 3:14 PM EDT reply actions  

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