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The Diamondbacks And Their Cy Young Dominance

The graph shows the number of points in Cy Young voting for each National League team since the Arizona Diamondbacks came into being for the 1998 season. Man, we've had some good pitchers...

Ian Kennedy's showing in the National League Cy Young voting continues an incredible run of success for the franchise in this award since the team first competed for it in 1998. Only four times in the fourteen years since - 1998, 2003, 2005 and 2010 - has there not been a Diamondbacks' representative in the results, and as the graph above shows, Arizona pitchers have received more than twice as many Cy Young points as any other team in the league over that time. Heck, they've earned more than the entire NL East. combined  Let's look at the extraordinary dominance of the D-backs in this award.

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It's particularly interesting, given the way BOB/Chase has historically always played as a pitcher-unfriendly park - and environment is not something that seems to be particularly taken into account by BBWAA voter. Despite this, the MVP has proven much less Arizona-heavy. No Diamondback has finished higher than third, which is where Matt Williams did in 1999 and Luis Gonzalez, two years later - Justin Upton is probably unlikely to beat that this year, though I would think somewhere between 3rd and 5th is quite possible. That would be the best result by an Arizona player since Gonzo

But contrast the Cy Young, where a Diamondback has come first or second ten times in the team's brief existence. That's four wins and a runner-up position for the Big Unit; one win and two seconds for Brandon Webb; and two runners-up spots to Curt Schilling. Both the last-named were behind Randy Johnson in 2001 and 2002, representing the only times since 1974 that the winner and runner-up in the National League Cy Young have come from the same team [then, it was the Dodgers' Mike Marshall and Andy Messersmith. Heck, the highest MVP performance from a D-back post-2001 is currently the 7th place, the following season...by. Johnson.

Obviously, Randy is a huge factor in the numbers for the Diamondbacks. His 680 points as an individual are more than any other team has accumulated since 1998. But even if you inexplicably discount the Big Unit's numbers entirely, the rest of Arizona's pitchers have racked up 537 points, still good enough for second-place, fractionally behind the Cardinals. Obviously, things have dropped off of late, with Dan Haren's single third-place mention the only one in 2009 and 2010. But Kennedy's respectable showing this season is, hopefully, the start of another cycle of pitching goodness, with Daniel Hudson, Trevor Bauer, etc. perhaps adding to the total going forward.

It's startling to realize the gulf between the "haves" and the "have nots". Kennedy's 76 points ranks him only 11th-most in Diamondbacks' history. However, it's still more than four franchises - the Reds, Brewers, Pirates and Expos/Nationals - have received combined, over the past fourteen seasons. Pittsburgh have been entirely absent from the Cy Young results for as long as they've been absent from a winning record. Their last pitcher to receive even a single third-place vote, was Doug Drabek, who did exactly that in 1992. Given the most wins by a Pirate since is 15 (Todd Ritchie in 1999), this absence is largely understandable.

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[Cy Young first-place votes since 1998, by NL team]

The situation is more or less the same if you limit the data to first-place votes, with the Diamondbacks having gained more than any other two National League teams combined, with Kennedy's appearance there the first since Webb got four in the 2008 balloting. Second-place there goes to the Padres, with almost half their tally due to Jake Peavy's unanimous victory in 2007 Cy Young, though they do also get contributions from Trevor Hoffman and Kevin Brown. These days, however, Petco appears to be viewed as the kind of place where you should put up good numbers; no Padre has received a first-place vote since Peavy, even when winning 90 games last year.

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[Players receiving Cy Young votes since 1998, by NL team]

In terms of overall mentions in results, the D-backs do trail the Astros - though so many of those are right at the bottom, I wonder if it's just that the Houston writers might be more homerish than most. The majority of Astros' representatives - eight of 15 - scored three or less points, so clearly make up for in quantity what they lack in quality Though that's a little harsh given that of the 1,591 pitchers who have appear in the National League since 1998, more than 96% did not get any love from the BBWAA. While the awards cliche is to say, "It's an honor just to be mentioned," in the case of the Cy Young, it's probably true.

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[Players receiving Cy Young votes since 1998, by NL team]

Finally, if we look at how many separate players have been nominated for a team, things do flatten out considerably. While the Astros still lead the way on nine, the Braves move in to second-place, and there's a bunch of teams who are in the 5-6 player range. I think it's perhaps the case that good players can get one Cy Young mention [the list who did in the time concerned included such names as Aaron Harang, Jose Lima and, er, Russ Ortiz]; however, if you can perform well enough to pick up multiple nominations, that then takes you into another, different category. From 1998-2011, that's a club of only about twenty NL pitchers; truly the elite of the game.

And three of them were Diamondbacks.

Here's the full table of data since 1998. The Expos' number [well, one vote!] were folded in to the Nationals' total. Roy Oswalt's 14 points in the 2010 voting were split evenly between Houston and Philadelphia. However, he counts as a player and unique player for each team's tally.

Team Points #1 Players Unique
ARI 1,217 134 13 6
ATL 357 19 13 8
CHC 83 2 6 4
CIN 11 0 2 2
COL 91 0 2 2
FLA 152 11 3 3
HOU 370 40 15 9
LAD 384 55 8 5
MIL 17 1 4 4
NYM 62 4 3 3
PHI 473 36 7 5
PIT 0 0 0 0
SDP 410 65 7 5
SFG 365 38 12 7
STL 540 43 7 4
WSN 2 0 2 2

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But, but, but...

I thought Chase was a hitter’s paradise! Guess not…

Pitching rocks.

Is it mid-February yet?

by NASCARbernet on Nov 17, 2011 7:36 PM EST reply actions  

It is

Our pitchers simply haven’t given a crap. Which, as you alluded to, rocks.

Founder and Chairman of the Send Dan Some Pizzeria Bianco Commission (SDSPBC). SDSPBC is a totally, definitely for-profit organization.

by Dan Strittmatter on Nov 18, 2011 2:41 AM EST up reply actions  

You caught the pun!!!

Excellent. It is as I had foreseen. Everything is going as I had planned.

Is it mid-February yet?

by NASCARbernet on Nov 18, 2011 6:13 PM EST up reply actions  

This just in

Randy Johnson was really, really good.

by The so-called Beautiful on Nov 17, 2011 8:01 PM EST reply actions   1 recs

And as of today's news

it’s still true.

Is it mid-February yet?

by NASCARbernet on Nov 18, 2011 6:14 PM EST up reply actions  

Gee

That Randy Johnson guy was pretty good, eh? Ah, I loved him. Loved watching Randy pitch for us. When is his number getting retired by the team, again?

by SongBird on Nov 17, 2011 10:45 PM EST reply actions  

You know

He a’ight.

"Never ignore a coincidence. Unless you're busy, in which case always ignore a coincidence."

by kishi on Nov 17, 2011 11:14 PM EST up reply actions  

He should have gotten his number retired before

Gonzo’s, IMHO, but since that didn’t happen, I would guess when he gets inducted into the Hall of Fame

Oh where oh where have my Dbacks gone? Oh where oh where could they be!

by imstillhungry95 on Nov 18, 2011 10:46 AM EST up reply actions  

That's a good point

RJ should be a first ballot Hall of Famer. Maybe Gonzo’s early number retirement is a nifty consolation prize?

Is it mid-February yet?

by NASCARbernet on Nov 18, 2011 6:15 PM EST up reply actions  

If he isn't

I will have lost the last of my faith in the BWAA. Or whoever it is that votes for that.

He’s one of the top-10 pitchers of all time, period. Dude is a first-ballot HOFer.

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by Dan Strittmatter on Nov 18, 2011 10:06 PM EST up reply actions  

Should be a landslide

I will demand a recount if not.

by SongBird on Nov 20, 2011 8:34 PM EST up reply actions  

1999, 2000, 2001, 2002.

Something happened in each one of those years….but I can’t remember what. Some guy won some kind of award?

The bird is struggling out of the egg. The egg is the world. Whoever wants to be born, must first destroy a world.

by Stupendous Man on Nov 18, 2011 1:28 AM EST via mobile reply actions  

Next up [well, eventually]

Seeing where the pairing of Schilling and Johnson rank among great pitching duos of all time. A hint: they don’t suck.

"We have to resist it. Do whatever you have to. Cross your fingers. Say a prayer. Think of a basket of kittens. But do not give in to the fear..."

by Jim McLennan on Nov 18, 2011 2:42 AM EST reply actions  

That'll be cool

I really want to see that. Its rare for two absolute monster pitchers to be on the same team at the same time, and when it happens, teams tend to play long into October.

Koufax and Drysdale will be on that list. Probably McClain and Lolich, too, if only for two seasons (68-69). Spahn and Sain (two days of rain is always nice).

Is it mid-February yet?

by NASCARbernet on Nov 18, 2011 6:18 PM EST up reply actions  

I'm kinda torn

Part of me wants to limit it to recent times – it was easier to put up monster total for Wins, K’s, etc. in the days of a 4-man rotation, when you could start 41-42 games rather than 33. Seems a bit of an unfair comparison. Pretty sure Schilling and Johnson will be at or near the top of the modern era, but might also have to see where they stand all-time…

"We have to resist it. Do whatever you have to. Cross your fingers. Say a prayer. Think of a basket of kittens. But do not give in to the fear..."

by Jim McLennan on Nov 18, 2011 9:15 PM EST up reply actions  

McClain-Lolich

Probably not. Lolich’s best years were really 71-72; he was good in 68-69, but not truly elite in the way he’d become. On a quick scan Carlton/Gibson were likely better in 1969.

"We have to resist it. Do whatever you have to. Cross your fingers. Say a prayer. Think of a basket of kittens. But do not give in to the fear..."

by Jim McLennan on Nov 18, 2011 9:20 PM EST up reply actions  

Great article and I hope this is the beginning of a new era for AZ!!

The off-season talks are always so much fun and full of optimism. This year I really like to hear that the team is mostly solid for the most part and KT is in a very good position to listen for the best deal IF it presents itself.

The deals made of years past by the then tyrannical GM has me thinking that while the main body of work seems to be directly related to the dissension or poisoning of the clubhouse chemistry (and his own fate), those deals have yet to finish playing out in that Tylor Skaggs, and Pat Corbin are now coming into the beginning of their major league careers. There were many players involved in those trades during that time period, we also lost a skinny kid that went on to make a name for himself in Colorado (Carlos Gonzales), but without these moves (viewed as good or not) they put the team in position for the draft picks everyone is gushing over now. Pretty interesting how it may all workout…

by AZfan85308 on Nov 18, 2011 12:49 PM EST reply actions  

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