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Diamondbacks Post-Season Post-Mortem: Game 5

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"It was a heck of a game, it really was. Both of us played as hard as we could, and it came down to the last hit. We have nothing to be ashamed of, we played our butts off, we played well and they just got us in the end. We did the best we could, and there's no shame in that. We left it all on the field."
  -- Willie Bloomquist

Wow. It all came down to a final game, and that contest was the best of the bunch, with never more than a run separating the two teams. First Arizona had the lead, then Milwaukee, before the Diamondbacks pulled out another one of their late comebacks, hanging a blown-save on one of the most dominant closers in the majors this year. But they couldn't quite complete it, and went down in extra innings - Arizona's record is now 0-5 in post-season games that go past regulation.

It was a marvelous end to a marvelous series. But let's see why the chips fell Milwaukee's way.

Star-divide

Chances missed for Arizona
This was a theme through all three games at Miller Park. While it seemed the Diamondbacks got key hits, almost at will, in Chase Field, on the road the team went 3-for-22 with runners in scoring position. And two of those hits failed to score a run - one in the opener saw Willie Bloomquist thrown out at the plate, while Sean Burrough's bloop in Game 5 could only move Gerardo Parra from second to third. The one which actually did score a run was the flimsiest of them all: Bloomquist's attempted safety squeeze, that brought Parra home to tie the game at two - charitably labeled as a "bunt single" by the friendly Milwaukee scorer.

All told, Arizona had seven at-bats with runners in scoring position in the eighth and ninth innings alone, but only managed to score one run. The eighth was perhaps particularly crucial. With the tying run at third, and one out, Paul Goldschmidt couldn't put bat to ball, and went down swinging. Then, after a Chris Young walk, Ryan Roberts grounded out with the bases loaded. Another key at-bat was Aaron Hill's failure in the ninth to move the runners up, in a first and second, no outs situation - he also struck out, immediately after we had tied the game. The pair of infield groundouts which followed defused our final chance.

Ian Kennedy was good, Yovani Gallardo was better
Though he threw a lot of early pitches, I think Gallardo has now officially taken the mantle of snake-killer away from Randy Winn. Let's just hope the Brewers don't trade him to one of our rivals in the National League West, because I'd hate to see him four or five times in a season. That's seven times in a row we've faced him, and he still hasn't received an L - however, he still trails Tim Hudson, whom we've yet to beat in eight contests [and the all-time record holder, Jason Schmidt, who went undefeated in 16 consecutive starts against us, between 2003-06, winning eleven of them, with a 2.93 ERA]

Kennedy gave Arizona just about everything they could have hoped for, especialiy over the first three innings, when he allowed one-base runner [a base-hit by Braun, naturally]. He was pouring strikes in there too - only eight of his first 38 pitches were called as balls. He also threw first pitch strikes to eight out of the ten batters faced over that time, correcting a problem from Game One.

I'm not sure what happened in the fourth, as in the course of just nine pitches, Kennedy gave up a lead-off double, uncorked a wild pitch, walked a batter, got Fielder to pop out and then seriously plunked Weeks. That's the last thing you want to do, to someone who finished the series having hit at a .056 clip (going 1-for-18). With the bases loaded and only one out, it could certainly have gone horribly wrong, but Kennedy only allowed a sacrifice fly - and not a deep one at that, just hit in an awkward spot, where Aaron Hill had to make the catch, while his momentum took him away from home-plate.

Kennedy relied a good bit more on his two-seam fastball yesterday, throwing it 65% of the time, compared to 55% during Game 1. He threw some more curves, but both his four-seam and change-up were less common..Here's the full break-down:

Game 1 Game 5
Four-seam Fastball 21.6% 15.2%
Change-up 16.2% 10.6%
Slider 0.9% N/A
Curve-ball 6.4% 9.4%
Two-seam Fastball 55.0% 64.7%

General Competence
Unlike most of the proceeding games, there didn't seem to much to complain about on the managerial or umpirical (is that a word? It is now...) fronts - which does make for a pretty difficult post-mortem. What the heck do I write about when. both managers pushed the appropriate buttons, without seeing things blow up in their faces? Bo-ring! In particular for Gibson, I note that after lead-off doubles in the fourth and sixth (both coming on the first pitch, the Brewers apparently using Kennedy's fondness for Strike 1 against him), Braun and Fielder respectively were both "intentionally unintentionally" walked. That made full use of the open base presented - lesson learned.

I was glad to see J.J. Putz used in the tenth inning, even though he took the loss. It somehow feels better to have your best on the mound when you lose a game - it would have been less satisfactory if we had lost the contest, with Putz ending his season sitting in the bullpen. Said J.J. afterward, "Had the speed guy on second base. I was concerned about him and I made a bad pitch to Morgan. He's a good hitter and unfortunately it got through. I just didn't get the job done. It's going to hurt for a little bit. It was a good year. We had a lot of fun this year. I just wish we could have given our fans a little bit more baseball."

Much credit also to Bryan Shaw and David Hernandez, who were excellent, and Chris Young for his running catch in deep center, which certainly stopped the game fro being blown open. Loved Jerry Hairston's reaction: "I don't think I've ever cried on a baseball field but when Chris Young made that play...he broke my heart."

Final thoughts

We've come a long way. We set goals in the beginning of the year; unfortunately, we didn't get all the way there. We talked about changing the culture and what does it mean to be a Diamondback. And I just told these guys that they should be proud, because they've set the stage and the standard for how we want to play and they've done it all year.
  -- Kirk Gibson


My hope coming in was that if it was to be a defeat, it would be because Milwaukee would win it, rather than us losing it somehow. Mission accomplished, I think - and it's nice to have lasted longer into October than the Yankees! Whatever the Brewers and their fans may have thought coming in to this match-up - or even after the first two games - they know they were in a ferocious battle, down to the bitter end. The Diamondbacks did not go gently into the good night of their off-season, but raged, raged against the dying of their season's light. That has been their way all year, and if defeat was inevitably disappointing, the way it happened seems a fitting full-stop to the year.

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To quote the Ood

from Dr. Who: The End of Time, “Your song is ending, but your story has just begun” That sums up this team pretty well. The 2011 Arizona Dbacks are going to regenerate into the 2012 Arizona Dbacks. They may or may not start craving Fish Custard and like strange things such as fezes and bowties, but in the end, they are still going to be the Dbacks, the team we all love, just like The Doctor still is the same man even after he changes his face

After 94 wins, and a trip to the NLDS, #InGibbyWeTrust!

by imstillhungry95 on Oct 8, 2011 1:04 PM EDT reply actions   1 recs

There's a quote from Dr. Who for everything, isn't there?

The face may be somewhat different next time, but the more things change, the more they stay the same…

"We have to resist it. Do whatever you have to. Cross your fingers. Say a prayer. Think of a basket of kittens. But do not give in to the fear..."

by Jim McLennan on Oct 8, 2011 1:30 PM EDT up reply actions  

There really is.

And I’m pretty sure between everyone on this site, we’ll always find the right one

After 94 wins, and a trip to the NLDS, #InGibbyWeTrust!

by imstillhungry95 on Oct 8, 2011 1:37 PM EDT up reply actions  

"Left it all on the field"

Props to Willie B. for getting this quote right. I am so weary of hearing players, coaches and sports columnists (including Dan Bickley in this mornings Republic) muck this up.

“Left nothing on the field”, Bickley writes. Huh? A team that battles to the end leaves everything on the field.

by azjazzman on Oct 8, 2011 2:18 PM EDT reply actions  

Tive moments

There were five moments in the game, where i think if luck had fallen our way or perhaps a difference decision were made the game would have ended in our favor

1) Weeks HBP – This was really devastating at the time to me, and to be honest, the result ended up better than it could have, as the Brewers had a chance to run away with the game there. I honestly think though, there was a huge chance if Weeks doesn’t get hit there, IPK could have gotten out of the inning cleanly, either inducing an inning-ending DP, struck him out, or just got a better popup. The HBP was definitely frustrating to see.

2) Yuni B’s single – Just depressing. Especially after that amazing catch by CY. And you definitely hate getting beat by Yuni B’s bat. A look after through pitch f/x, IPK’s pitch was pretty bad. Still, even on a bad pitch, I’d still be willing to wager most of the time Yuni doesn’t get a hit there, and we end the inning still tied.

3) Goldschmidt’s strikeout – The rational choice would have been to substitute Overbay here. That would have given us a 10% greater chance to score a sac fly. Honestly though, I don’t think any person in the world would have been able to substitute Overbay for Goldschmidt at that moment. I know I definitely wouldn’t have.

4) Miggy for a PR – This is one of the ones that bothers me a little more. I can understand the rationale that you’re down by one, bases loaded, Miggy at 2nd, send in a pinch runner and if the hit occurs then you score and you’re up by one. The problem is, I’m not convinced the benefit is that much. The benefit here is the difference between the 25% chance (Roberts’s batting average) a hit happens and you take a lead now versus the 35% chance you tie the game up (Roberts’s approximate OBP) which would mean Miggy would get a chance anyway to score on the next batter, or in the next inning. The cost is that once you get into extra innings, Miggy’s bat is gone from the lineup, which ended up costing us. Again though, this isn’t a huge managerial mistake, and costs us probably couple of percentage points at most in probability of winning.

5) Aaron Hill’s strikeout – Should he have bunted? I really don’t know. Maybe. Hill’s a flyball hitter when he swings, which isn’t likely to move the runner over. And while I tend to hate bunting in general, early in the game, it’s true bunting can increase the probability of one run scoring, despite overall decreasing the expected value of runs scored. There are times bunting makes sense in late game situations for sure. However, the flip side of the problem though is Hill would have been bunting against Axford, who has great stuff (always extremely difficult for a bunter, and decreases the expected benefit of a bunt), and he would have been bunting right after Willie laid down a bunt to score a run, which means the fielders are more likely to be prepared for the bunt. I still don’t really know if there’s a right answer to whether Hill should have tried for a bunt in that situation.

All in all though, I have to agree. I wasn’t disappointed by the Dbacks at all, from both a season’s accomplishment standpoint, nor from the single elimination game standpoint. We did what we could, and it wasn’t as if we shot ourselves in the foot in Game 5. If some things had fallen just a little bit more in our favor, we’d be in the NLCS right now. Unfortunately, that’s just how the chips fall sometimes.

Greatly looking forward to next year!

by blue bulldog on Oct 8, 2011 2:21 PM EDT reply actions  

ugh

typo at the top should say “Five moments” …..

by blue bulldog on Oct 8, 2011 2:21 PM EDT up reply actions  

With regard to #5

I just mentioned in the recap thread, but even if he had got the bunt down, the Brewers would simply have walked Upton and pitched to Henry Blanco, who had replaced Montero. Not sure that would be better than having Hill hit away!

"We have to resist it. Do whatever you have to. Cross your fingers. Say a prayer. Think of a basket of kittens. But do not give in to the fear..."

by Jim McLennan on Oct 8, 2011 2:26 PM EDT up reply actions  

Good points all, bb

still, we had fun, didn’t we?

"Prince Fielder: he's not a real prince, he's not a real fielder.

by NASCARbernet on Oct 8, 2011 4:43 PM EDT up reply actions  

Proud!

I am so proud to have been an Arizona Diamondbacks fan from the first day of rumors we would claim a franchise! Through all the wins and losses of years past, this team, management and ownership have brought back the smallest part of my baseball heart which was lost during the 1994-1995 strike. This is something I was not sure would ever happen.

It was very strange waking up this morning. I didn’t have the same, sickening feeling that my team had just been eliminated from the post season and now have to wonder what next year may bring. But I had a feeling of strange contentment while also filled with excitement for what I know next year will bring. What is not to love about this Diamondback team! They’re not a bunch of high paid (perhaps over paid) “stars” but a team filled with hard nosed ballplayers learning from a bunch of “old school” baseball coaches.

But the reasons to be happy don’t just stop with this team! Just look at all the talent which exists throughout our minor league system! The entire Diamondbacks organization, from top to bottom, should leave fans with a huge smile on our faces knowing that our best days and finest moment are ahead of us! And this brings me great pride to call myself a Diamondbacks fan for life!

by Mizzoula Osprey Fan on Oct 8, 2011 2:41 PM EDT reply actions  

If the real difference was home feild advantage

shouldn’t we stop talking about “meaningless” game in April and May? One more win in each of those months and game 5 is in Chase.

Riding the Gibbytrain since 2011!

by TylerO on Oct 8, 2011 3:48 PM EDT reply actions  

I know, I never understood that

The total of wins and losses starts in April… no game is meaningless!

I stopped reading. Now I just write sarcastic, angry comments.. -- soco
They're not even cooking the ice! -- kishi

by snakecharmer on Oct 8, 2011 3:50 PM EDT up reply actions  

Yeah, but remember it took the D'backs a month before they really got their winning legs on

once they started playing well, they made up a lot of ground.

"Prince Fielder: he's not a real prince, he's not a real fielder.

by NASCARbernet on Oct 8, 2011 4:48 PM EDT up reply actions  

I agree that more early wins weren't likely this year

I just don’t want to hear the phase “meaningless game” used anytime between opening day and elimination, particularly next year when there shouldn’t be a slow start.

Riding the Gibbytrain since 2011!

by TylerO on Oct 8, 2011 5:06 PM EDT up reply actions  

Month and a half, really

At the start of play May 14th, we were in fourth place and had lost 5 in a row. We get Collmenter to shut down the Dodgers, and it was the first win of an 18-4 stretch of games.

From May 14 to the end of the season, 125 games, we played at a .632 pace. For comparison, the Phillies had the best record in baseball with a .630 win percentage. That’s over four and a half months. A pretty amazing thing to consider.

"Never ignore a coincidence. Unless you're busy, in which case always ignore a coincidence."

by kishi on Oct 8, 2011 5:10 PM EDT up reply actions  

But by the same token

The September “ZOMG home feild iz so important” push ended up in the exact same place as a risk management strategy.

"Hey, why don't you people watch the game?"-my mom after viewing a wave going around Chase Field.

by Reynolds rapper on Oct 8, 2011 5:27 PM EDT up reply actions  

Well

The bad thing is…
- The Dbacks season ended October 7th
The good thing is…
- The Coyotes season begins October 8th

I’m okay with all of this.

Wear your own fur.

by Marc Fournier on Oct 8, 2011 3:59 PM EDT reply actions  

AND

We might actually get better coverage, at least until the NBA gets their act together…

Riding the Gibbytrain since 2011!

by TylerO on Oct 8, 2011 4:05 PM EDT up reply actions  

It'll be a chance for the Coyotes to win some new friends

although I really wanted to see the D’backs play to the end of the month.

"Prince Fielder: he's not a real prince, he's not a real fielder.

by NASCARbernet on Oct 8, 2011 4:47 PM EDT up reply actions  

But also

the bad thing is I don’t trust the goalie situation for the Coyotes. This could be a real letdown year.

Tomorrow is another day.

by soco on Oct 8, 2011 4:58 PM EDT up reply actions  

Have you seen Jason LaBarbera's new goalie mask?

I like him already.

Joe Saunders: "They played a really good game, so hats off to us"

by Skii on Oct 8, 2011 5:09 PM EDT up reply actions  

Well

I guess his heart is in the right place.

Tomorrow is another day.

by soco on Oct 8, 2011 5:20 PM EDT up reply actions  

Not to mention

A RIDICULOUS holdout by Kyle Turris. Anyway, we were wrong about the D-backs, maybe we’ll be wrong about the Coyotes.

Wear your own fur.

by Marc Fournier on Oct 8, 2011 5:47 PM EDT up reply actions  

That's

what I’m hoping.

Tomorrow is another day.

by soco on Oct 8, 2011 6:08 PM EDT up reply actions  

I'm very nervous about this, too

I was sickened to lose Bryz. I mean, he was kind of the reason the team made the playoffs the last two years, right? Ugh. I am trying to deal with it. I keep remembering LaBarbera’s late season shutout of Vancouver to try to cheer me up.

by SongBird on Oct 8, 2011 9:57 PM EDT up reply actions  

And the 'yotes may actually get fannies in the seats

because their competitor for money is locked out.

"Hey, why don't you people watch the game?"-my mom after viewing a wave going around Chase Field.

by Reynolds rapper on Oct 8, 2011 5:28 PM EDT up reply actions  

im glad i hate hockey

i wouldnt go if it was the stanley cup with free tickets

by AzDbackfanInDc on Oct 8, 2011 7:42 PM EDT up reply actions  

Me either

Unless it was my beloved Avalanche playing the Coyotes for the Cup! I am so NOT a Coyotes fan!

I got sprayed by Ryan Roberts!!!

by Rockkstarr12 on Oct 8, 2011 8:15 PM EDT up reply actions  

What if

Ryan Roberts made the team as a defenseman?

Riding the Gibbytrain since 2011!

by TylerO on Oct 8, 2011 8:33 PM EDT up reply actions  

Go Coyotes!

Please, make the playoffs again and DON’T face the Red Wings in the 1st round. Please.

by SongBird on Oct 8, 2011 9:56 PM EDT up reply actions  

For me, the biggest mistake was having JJ pitch the 10th

he’s a closer, not a holder. What I mean by that is he lives pitching to batters who are trailing in games and desperate to get the big hit. In a tie game, the mentality is slightly different in that the desperation isn’t there, so batters are calmer and less likely to make pressured bad swings, et cetera.

I agree that the umpiring was pretty solid, even the balls and strikes. Really, that’s all we could have asked for was a fair game by the men in blue.

"Prince Fielder: he's not a real prince, he's not a real fielder.

by NASCARbernet on Oct 8, 2011 4:46 PM EDT reply actions  

This is the problem.

You’re running out of quality bullpen arms at that point. Owings or Hudson would have to go there if not Putz. You already used Shaw and Hernandez. Zeigler and Paterson were left on the short end.

Sometimes things just don’t work out.

"Hey, why don't you people watch the game?"-my mom after viewing a wave going around Chase Field.

by Reynolds rapper on Oct 8, 2011 5:33 PM EDT up reply actions  

Man

We should have put Owings in- dude is a wizard, he would have somehow magically gotten the W.

"Never ignore a coincidence. Unless you're busy, in which case always ignore a coincidence."

by kishi on Oct 8, 2011 5:46 PM EDT up reply actions   1 recs

I still love

the moment we looked at the scoreboard after game four and realized Micah had gotten the win. It was just so absurd after everything else that had happened. OF COURSE he got the win.

I should have a mfin theme song.

by emilylovesthedbacks on Oct 8, 2011 6:01 PM EDT up reply actions  

Better still was him getting the win after he nearly blew that Dodger game

And RyRo came back with the grand slam in the 10th to win. I actually laughed pretty hard over that.

by SongBird on Oct 8, 2011 9:59 PM EDT up reply actions  

I swear

We should have put Micah in the game to pitch the 10th. We would somehow have found a way to win that game in the 11th inning. This was clearly our biggest mistake. LOL.

by SongBird on Oct 8, 2011 9:59 PM EDT up reply actions  

The Brewers got destroyed outside of Milwaukee

I think they’re a good team that plays great at home, but mediocre-decent on the road. They probably won’t last the next round.

Joe Saunders: "They played a really good game, so hats off to us"

by Skii on Oct 8, 2011 5:08 PM EDT reply actions  

Except

they have home field advantage in both the NLCS and the World Series. Don’t bet against them…

Riding the Gibbytrain since 2011!

by TylerO on Oct 8, 2011 5:13 PM EDT up reply actions  

Or what?

Tomorrow is another day.

by soco on Oct 8, 2011 5:21 PM EDT up reply actions  

Or else

Fat Tony will have to break your shins. (I think the fix is in.)

"Never ignore a coincidence. Unless you're busy, in which case always ignore a coincidence."

by kishi on Oct 8, 2011 5:23 PM EDT up reply actions  

Noooooooooooo

Tomorrow is another day.

by soco on Oct 8, 2011 6:08 PM EDT up reply actions  

The thought has crossed my mind, too

I don’t trust Bud all that much, really.

"Prince Fielder: he's not a real prince, he's not a real fielder."

by NASCARbernet on Oct 8, 2011 6:29 PM EDT up reply actions  

The number one thing I'm happy about

is that I’m not seeing condescending posts from Brewers fans.

"Hey, why don't you people watch the game?"-my mom after viewing a wave going around Chase Field.

by Reynolds rapper on Oct 8, 2011 5:35 PM EDT reply actions  

Oh they were here last night

but they were taken care of……..

I stopped reading. Now I just write sarcastic, angry comments.. -- soco
They're not even cooking the ice! -- kishi

by snakecharmer on Oct 8, 2011 5:36 PM EDT up reply actions  

Were there?

I thought that the condescending posts weren’t from Brewers fans, but from Giants fans and other, unaffiliated commenters.

"Never ignore a coincidence. Unless you're busy, in which case always ignore a coincidence."

by kishi on Oct 8, 2011 5:47 PM EDT up reply actions  

We really need

To start a Wall of Shame of some sort because I never get to see any of the action. It bums me out.

Wear your own fur.

by Marc Fournier on Oct 8, 2011 5:48 PM EDT up reply actions  

They

weren’t Brewers fans. I think that 41counting dude was a Cubs fan.

Tomorrow is another day.

by soco on Oct 8, 2011 6:10 PM EDT up reply actions  

Yeah, no complaints about the Brewers fans

Here, at least. Some dubious comments on BCB, of course, but that’s fair enough.

"We have to resist it. Do whatever you have to. Cross your fingers. Say a prayer. Think of a basket of kittens. But do not give in to the fear..."

by Jim McLennan on Oct 8, 2011 6:21 PM EDT up reply actions  

For Brewer fans

the D’Backs’ series was a painful memory that they’re happy to put behind them, as the D’Backs reminded them how mortal their ballclub is and will be in future rounds.

"Prince Fielder: he's not a real prince, he's not a real fielder."

by NASCARbernet on Oct 8, 2011 6:31 PM EDT up reply actions  

BCB is the Brewers' board, after all.

Who hasn’t let a Lincecum joke go every now and again?

"Hey, why don't you people watch the game?"-my mom after viewing a wave going around Chase Field.

by Reynolds rapper on Oct 9, 2011 10:32 AM EDT up reply actions  

I wouldn't say that

Tools have a use.

"Never ignore a coincidence. Unless you're busy, in which case always ignore a coincidence."

by kishi on Oct 8, 2011 9:20 PM EDT up reply actions  

Or at least be more specific.

Like, say, a plunger.

Wear your own fur.

by Marc Fournier on Oct 8, 2011 10:02 PM EDT up reply actions  

True

I got sprayed by Ryan Roberts!!!

by Rockkstarr12 on Oct 8, 2011 11:06 PM EDT up reply actions  

Awesomesauce!

"Hey, why don't you people watch the game?"-my mom after viewing a wave going around Chase Field.

by Reynolds rapper on Oct 9, 2011 10:32 AM EDT up reply actions  

A Cubs fan?

Wow. I guess the have nothing to do in the post season, except for trolling.

by azshadowwalker on Oct 9, 2011 12:14 AM EDT up reply actions   1 recs

Something to think about:

In 2012:

- The Brewers will likely be without Fielder. He’s said so himself. They went all-in, and I think the odds are in their favor in getting to the WS. But they won’t be the same team in 2012.
- The Cardinals have Berkman back and will get Waino again, but EJ will probably be gone and who knows about Pujols. I think he’ll stay and they’ll be good again, but… we’ll see.
- The Phillies bats will be a year slower and their payroll gives them little flexibility. Domonic Brown will help if they let him, though.
- Can SF build an offense overnight? Who knows.
- Atlanta has a ton of young arms on the way, but the arms they already have are good… not sure where the improvement is, but OTOH, they shouldn’t regress much, either.

Arizona, though, should see their #5 rotation slot improve over the course of the year (doubt we see performances reminiscent of 2011 Galarraga/Enright in 2012), get a full year of Goldy, will still have a stellar bullpen (even if Putz’s back acts up, Hernandez can close and Shaw can set up; plus, Double-A’s ’pen had a lot of high-upside guys on it this year who could contribute), and hopefully can find a way to turn Saunders into an improvement somewhere on offense (perhaps packaged with Drew for another, safer, longer-term SS? Random, largely improbable idea…). Great farm system and a young club… Lots of reasons to expect it to only get better.

Founder and Chairman of the Send Dan Some Pizzeria Bianco Commission. A totally, definitely for-profit organization.

Today, our Executive Chef Josh Collmenter is featuring a special of delicately braised crow served over-the-top (get it?!?!) of a side of lightly roasted NLDS victory and topped with a delicious starting rotation cream sauce.

by Dan Strittmatter on Oct 8, 2011 6:02 PM EDT via mobile reply actions  

Oh, yeah.

Kimbrel and Venters had SCARY workloads. Hernandez was coddled compared to those two. And those two guys were big parts of that club.

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Today, our Executive Chef Josh Collmenter is featuring a special of delicately braised crow served over-the-top (get it?!?!) of a side of lightly roasted NLDS victory and topped with a delicious starting rotation cream sauce.

by Dan Strittmatter on Oct 8, 2011 6:04 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions  

The Brewers

likely imploding next year is one thing that makes me happy.

Tomorrow is another day.

by soco on Oct 8, 2011 6:10 PM EDT up reply actions  

I thought ponies

made you happy?

"Prince Fielder: he's not a real prince, he's not a real fielder."

by NASCARbernet on Oct 8, 2011 6:32 PM EDT up reply actions  

Me too Soco

I got sprayed by Ryan Roberts!!!

by Rockkstarr12 on Oct 8, 2011 8:17 PM EDT up reply actions  

Wishing won't make it so

"Prince Fielder is too fat even for the Oakland A’s" - Billy Beane

by ol Pete on Oct 9, 2011 12:29 AM EDT up reply actions  

Ain't

no wishing, buddy boy. Your team went all in and it’s probably not going to pan out. Ah bloo bloo bloo, and all that.a

Tomorrow is another day.

by soco on Oct 9, 2011 1:08 AM EDT up reply actions  

What are your thoughts on Hill?

and do you think they will use Miley in the pen?

"It was a good death"

by txzona on Oct 8, 2011 7:24 PM EDT up reply actions  

I'm torn on Hill

Part of me thinks signing him for $5MM or so for next year would be a great move, but part of me thinks that this team could really use another star somewhere to protect Upton in the lineup. I’m not sure if we can count on Goldschmidt to be that guy next year. If we don’t keep Hill, we could move Roberts or Drew to second and add another star through free agency. However, Hill is probably as good of value for our dollar as we’re going to find, and we could try to spin a trade – perhaps involving Saunders, some prospects we aren’t particularly high on at a position of great depth, and a position player we’re less invested in long-term.

If Miley doesn’t make the Opening Day rotation but is the sixth-best pitcher we have, he’ll go to Reno. If he’s more along the eighth- or ninth-best pitcher we have, I wouldn’t be surprised to see us use him as a power reliever. I think he’ll stay a starter though – just not everyday you can find a big-league-caliber lefty starting pitcher.

Founder and Chairman of the Send Dan Some Pizzeria Bianco Commission. A totally, definitely for-profit organization.

Today, our Executive Chef Josh Collmenter is featuring a special of delicately braised crow served over-the-top (get it?!?!) of a side of lightly roasted NLDS victory and topped with a delicious starting rotation cream sauce.

by Dan Strittmatter on Oct 8, 2011 8:38 PM EDT up reply actions  

this is my thought

i don’t think Hill for around $4-5 million is a bad deal. i just think we need another star in the lineup, whether that is through FA or trades. getting a star through FA is always bad from an economic perspective, because it’s like auction bidding where the winner of the bid almost certainly has to overpay. to be honest though, if we overpay slightly and have to suck through it a couple of years down the road, i’m okay with that if it gives us a really good shot to be the best team in the NL next year.

obviously a trade would be optimal, but i don’t know who would be willing to part with a star 3B/SS/2B for what we could offer (i would not want to move Bauer or Skaggs, but would be willing to move Parker, Saunders, and other prospects)

by blue bulldog on Oct 8, 2011 9:01 PM EDT up reply actions  

There's no stars we can realistically get without giving up Skaggs

We were top 5 in offense anyway and #1 in the playoffs. I still say pitching needs more improvement.

by Husk on Oct 9, 2011 1:48 AM EDT up reply actions  

our pitching will naturally be better though next year

because of the depth of arms in the farm

i’m more worried that our offense will regress. Upton had a very very strong season. but aside from him, the rest of the team was all average to slightly above average. we could use another guy that can hit like Upton…or at least close to Upton’s ability.

i think we can probably get a star without trading Skaggs. the Brewers got Greinke without having to give up anything close to as good as Parker, so if we dangle Parker, packaged with a couple of second-tier prospects, we can definitely get a star back.

by blue bulldog on Oct 9, 2011 3:06 AM EDT up reply actions  

The Royals were out of it and Greinke was expensive

Even if the Nats wanted to trade Zimmerman (which they’re not because the two sides are working on an extension) we’d only have him for 2 years. Roberts will be a 4 win player next year at 3rd IMO.

by Husk on Oct 9, 2011 3:34 AM EDT up reply actions  

Zimmerman is just as expensive as Greinke

and he’s also on a 2 year contract like Greinke was

of course the caveat is that you’d have to convince the Nats they aren’t competing with Zimm, and the extension would have to not happen.

as for Roberts, i’d be willing to give 50/50 odds that he isn’t a 4 win player next year. the mass majority of old journeymen don’t turn into Jose Bautista. they turn into Andres Torres….good for a year or so, and then fall back to earth. i think Roberts can be a 2 win guy, but i would not feel comfortable projecting more than that.

by blue bulldog on Oct 9, 2011 12:29 PM EDT up reply actions  

Drew

Isn’t a safe SS? Even coming from the injury next year I still think he’s pretty damn reliable.

Wear your own fur.

by Marc Fournier on Oct 8, 2011 10:06 PM EDT up reply actions  

no i agree with Dan on this one

Drew scares the bejeebus out of me

no idea how he’s going to field after an ankle injury like that. i’m expecting a range drop off.

and his hitting has never been incredibly awesome. is the downtime away from baseball going to affect that?

i just don’t really know how much value he will be worth. i’d like to think 2-3 WAR is still possible, but i just don’t know. i definitely don’t feel comfortable projecting him as the 4-5 WAR guy he would have been these last two years.

by blue bulldog on Oct 8, 2011 10:55 PM EDT up reply actions  

Remember the times Matt Williams broke his leg?

After the last time he was very ineffective and lost a lot of range. I’d hate to see this with Drew too

I got sprayed by Ryan Roberts!!!

by Rockkstarr12 on Oct 8, 2011 11:07 PM EDT up reply actions  

Drew's bat is plus for a SS

Not sure what you’re expecting to qualify as “incredibly awesome,” but the guy was a star before the injury. Can’t always dig a Tulo out of mid-air.

He’d be no worse than Willie at SS, and would be a plus defensive 3B. I definitely keep him at SS until he forces himself off.

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by Dan Strittmatter on Oct 9, 2011 5:56 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions  

i just don't like that phrase for some reason

your bat is your bat, and there is a separate positional adjustment

i just mean he was a 90 wRC+ guy this year. i could see that going lower next year from not swinging the bat in so long.

by blue bulldog on Oct 9, 2011 6:37 PM EDT up reply actions  

Second half hitter.

Career 96 wRC+ is phenomenal for a MIF.

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by Dan Strittmatter on Oct 9, 2011 7:15 PM EDT up reply actions  

it's just semantics man

the concern that i have is his 90-96 wRC+ will drop lower next year because he’s been out of baseball due to this injury. i hope that’s not the case, but i do think it’s a legitimate concern.

by blue bulldog on Oct 9, 2011 8:45 PM EDT up reply actions  

Hmmmm...

It’s not like he didn’t play at all this year. I don’t really worry about his bat, I think his core strength should be just fine. It’s the quickness and first step that worry me.

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by Dan Strittmatter on Oct 9, 2011 9:16 PM EDT up reply actions  

Re: Pujols

If he signs with the Cardinals, it will be around 5/ 235. If he signs with Cubs/Yankees I think the numbers will be around 10/410 after everybody bids everyone up.

The only thing the Cardinals can offer is the highest annual salary of all time by a ton. The Cubs and Yankees are fond of the bad contract. Pujols is a bargain at 5/235 but is an absolute bust at 10/410.

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by Reynolds rapper on Oct 9, 2011 12:13 PM EDT up reply actions  

i don't even think

Pujols would be a bargain at 5/235

also, the Yankees and Red Sox won’t need Pujols. they both have 1B. maybe you could stick Pujols at DH (though Yankees don’t even need him there), but that would lessen his value.

besides, both the Yankees and Red Sox have stellar offenses that aren’t going anywhere. they are both going to need to spend big on pitching this offseason, so i don’t see Pujols going there.

the Cubs though….that would be an interesting place for Pujols to land. i still think the Cards end up coughing up the money and resigning him though. just not even bidders out there.

by blue bulldog on Oct 9, 2011 12:31 PM EDT up reply actions  

The Cardinals are going to have to destroy

ARod’s annual salary to even get a whiff if they don’t want a 7th or 8th year.

Plus you could always look at Pujols’ two deals in aggregate which would probably end up being par.

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by Reynolds rapper on Oct 10, 2011 1:33 AM EDT up reply actions  

Wow

The guy wasn’t on my 10-man ballot for NL MVP. And I didn’t use pitchers.

He’ll get something like 5/160 from St. Louis or 10/300 elsewhere.

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by Dan Strittmatter on Oct 9, 2011 6:05 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions  

+1

i just don’t see where the market for Pujols is going to be

by blue bulldog on Oct 9, 2011 6:38 PM EDT up reply actions  

There will be a market

There just won’t be a ravaging, angry mob all trying to get their hands on one golden egg. The egg is more of a sterling silver…

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by Dan Strittmatter on Oct 9, 2011 7:16 PM EDT up reply actions  

The Cubs are either going to bid up him or

lock up Fielder to some insane contract.

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by Reynolds rapper on Oct 10, 2011 2:05 AM EDT up reply actions  

How about on my thread?

2 commenters…seriously?

I got sprayed by Ryan Roberts!!!

by Rockkstarr12 on Oct 8, 2011 8:18 PM EDT up reply actions  

Get off your high horse, please

Both of you. People respond at their pace, and blasting others because their pace isn’t what you want it to be is disrespectful of the work done here by the incredible people I write with. It’s nobody’s duty to comment on any particular post by some artificial deadline – nobody writes here for a living, so all do have lives to attend to. I would be lucky if one of my daily farm posts this season cracked 20 comments, and I couldn’t have cared less – I wrote them every day because I enjoy and I love the game and this organization, not because I want everyone to worship me for me nerdiness.

If one is writing posts for this site for the sole purpose of receiving comments, gratification, and adoration from others, then that person should stop writing posts. hotclaws’ post was sincere, kind, and didn’t need to be validated through a chain of comments, which is exactly what made it a great post. Not to mention, of course, that the thread is now up to 32 comments.

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by Dan Strittmatter on Oct 9, 2011 7:53 PM EDT up reply actions   1 recs

i knew there was a reason

that i only left 19 comments on each of your daily farm posts

by blue bulldog on Oct 9, 2011 8:47 PM EDT up reply actions  

Think I saw it was the record

But not able to find that confirmation.

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by Jim McLennan on Oct 9, 2011 1:05 PM EDT up reply actions  

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