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NLDS Game 5 Preview: Arizona Diamondbacks vs. Milwaukee Brewers

C'mon, you didn't really think the 2011 Diamondbacks would leave the playoffs without making some sort of comeback, did you?  Not that I was expecting this, but coming back from an 0-2 series hole does fit in with the narrative that the Diamondbacks have written for themselves.  Now, of course, the only question is whether they can finish off their dramatic comeback in Milwaukee.  Given how this series started off, though, you can't really argue with a winner-take-all game with Ian Kennedy on the mound to end it.

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Starting Lineups for Game 5:

Arizona Diamondbacks

1. Willie Bloomquist, SS
2. Aaron Hill, 2B
3. Justin Upton, RF
4. Miguel Montero, C
5. Paul Goldschmidt, 1B
6. Chris Young, CF
7. Ryan Roberts, 3B
8. Gerardo Parra, LF
9. Ian Kennedy, P

 

Milwaukee Brewers

1. Corey Hart, RF
2. Nyjer Morgan, CF
3. Ryan Braun, LF
4. Prince Fielder, 1B
5. Rickie Weeks, 2B
6. Jerry Hairston, 3B
7. Yuniesky Betancourt, SS
8. Jonathan Lucroy, C
9. Yovani Gallardo, P

I'm writing this before the lineups will be finalized, but these are the lineups we've seen the most of during this series, and they're almost exactly the lineups that the two teams used for Game 1, when these two pitchers were last on the mound.  Unless of course Gibson starts Lyle Overbay again, but I'm sure he's learned from that mistake....

Pitching Matchups for Game 5:

Ian Kennedy (21-4, 2.88) vs. Yovani Gallardo (17-10, 3.52)*

Insightful Commentary: Ian Kennedy had a rough game in Game 1, at least by the lofty standards he has set for himself this season.  Going 6.2 innings while allowing four runs isn't a great start for any pitcher, but it's important to consider that two of those runs came on a Prince Fielder home run on Kennedy's last pitch of the game after he should have been pulled, and one of the others came on a bloop single by catcher Jonathan Lucroy, so it's not like he got knocked around.  He seemed to be struggling to control his offspeed offerings, and he didn't trust them for much of the game.  He was still able to make things work, but he was very clearly not at his best.

Yovani Gallardo, however, looked better than I had ever seen him look on Saturday.  After a rocky first inning, he dominated the Diamondbacks, collecting nine strikeouts over eight innings, with the only run coming from a Roberts home run.  His secret was his command, which was pinpoint accurate for most of the game, as his already dangerous repotoire of pitches found the black seemingly all day.  With all of that said, I'm not sure I agree with the Brewers starting Gallardo over Greinke, who is also on regular rest.  Greinke's been the better pitcher this year (by FIP, at least), and in an elimination game, it seems like he would be the best option.  I understand trying to set up your rotation for the next series, but that next series isn't going to happen if the Brewers lose this game.

*All numbers through the end of the regular season.

When the Diamondbacks are on Offense: I'm going to assume a worst-case scenario in which Gallardo does exactly what he did in Game 1 again on Friday, throwing his absolute best stuff.  In that case, the Diamondbacks have a couple of options, other than tipping their caps and saying, "nice series."  The most-important thing is for the offense to convert the few opportunities that it gets.  This means playing small-ball, the kind that sabermetrically-inclined individuals such as myself would normally scoff at.  While bunting players over reduces the expected run total in a given inning, it does increase the odds of getting at least one run out of an inning with runners on, which is important in a low-scoring ballgame.  It's something to consider, in the right scenario. 

Last time, I mentioned that Gallardo struggles in the first inning, so it's important to hit him before he gets into the flow of the game.  Obviously, Game 1 bore that theory out perfectly, as the Diamondbacks squandered their best opportunity to take control of the game early by letting Willie Bloomquist run into an out at home.  So, yeah, no more of that.  An early score also has the added advantage of taking the crowd out of the game, which would be a helpful thing to do at racuous Miller Park.

Overall, I showed a bit of hubris in picking the Diamondbacks' offense over a stud like Gallardo last time out, and he made me pay for that.  Gallardo doesn't always pitch anywhere near that well, but in a must-win game at home, I'm not going to doubt him again.  Advantage: Brewers.

When the Diamondbacks are on Defense: Anything can happen in a single game of baseball, but I would be genuinely shocked if Kennedy gets shelled in this game.  We've talked about it before, but Kennedy was the safest bet in baseball this season to keep his team in the game, with only three starts all year that featured a WPA of less than -.2.  He didn't have great peripherals in his last outing, only collecting three strikeouts, but I expect that to improve this time around. 

Of course, it all depends on his off-speed pitches.  When he doesn't trust his slider or curveball, he tends to avoid throwing except to show them to the hitters.  He needs them to rack up the strikeout totals that we've grown accustomed to seeing from Ian.  And the Brewers, with all of their powerful hitters, are not the sort of team that you want to see put a ton of balls in play.  One thing to keep in mind: Kennedy allowed 13 fly-balls in Game 1, which is scary against such a powerful offense.

But with all that said, I don't expect Kennedy to labor as much as he did in the first game, and I expect him to have better results.  He's almost a lock to keep the game close for the duration of his start, and if he falters for whatever reason, Daniel Hudson is right behind him in the bullpen.  Advantage: slightly to the Diamondbacks.

Intangibles: Some might say that the Diamondbacks have the momentum after winning their last two games.  Unfortunately, Baseball doesn't really care about momentum.  What baseball cares about is pitching, and it looks like a pretty even matchup.  It should be a low-scoring game, with the margin of error coming down to a mistake or two.  I didn't believe the Brewers could actually be that much better at home than on the road...until I saw them play on the road.  But they're back home now, and they will have the crowd behind them.  Advantage: Brewers.

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Wow

we’re really here. Who would have thought after the first two games that there would even be a preview for a Game 5. Here goes nothing. I’m saying Dbacks have a very very slight edge of the Brewers, because as one of the Talking Heads on MLBN put it last night/this morning "Ian Kennedy hasn’t had to losses in a row this year; why would he start now?

After 94 wins, and a trip to the NLDS, #InGibbyWeTrust!

by imstillhungry95 on Oct 7, 2011 1:58 PM EDT reply actions  

I really think

We need to start Cowgill over Parra. Defense is just as good, and maybe we can get a few hits from Collin.

Freeze it..and make a popsicle

by Baja F1 on Oct 7, 2011 1:59 PM EDT reply actions  

I'd rather have Parra

I think he has the edge with his glove and he’s been regular all year. Cowgil’’s a much riskier choice.

This is not going to be pretty. We're talking violence, strong language, adult content...

by luckycc on Oct 7, 2011 2:14 PM EDT up reply actions  

Official line up

Game 5 lineup: Bloomquist SS, Hill 2B, Upton RF, Montero C, Goldschmidt 1B, Young CF, Roberts 3B, Parra LF, Kennedy RHP

Freeze it..and make a popsicle

by Baja F1 on Oct 7, 2011 2:04 PM EDT reply actions  

You can't be serious?

Are you such a stats nerd you “don’t think you agree” with starting Gallardo over Grienke? And you base this on FIP? How about basing it on the mere fact Gallardo dominated the Snakes in game 1 and Grienke had little success and was lucky to win?

If all you can do is recite FIP, then why do we need you for analysis? You can be replaced with a computer. Anyone, even a computer can see Gallardo shut down the Snakes and Grienke did not.

And you are “aren’t sure”…..

by Dill Pickle on Oct 7, 2011 2:10 PM EDT reply actions  

Strong reaction

ZM has been doing a great job on preview’s all season. If Gallardo does struggle, everyone’s going to be asking why they didn’t start Greinke. Also, Greinke was pitching on short rest for the second start in a row last time we saw. He may have better stuff back on his normal schedule.

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by luckycc on Oct 7, 2011 2:17 PM EDT up reply actions  

Oh You and your logic, lucky!

After 94 wins, and a trip to the NLDS, #InGibbyWeTrust!

by imstillhungry95 on Oct 7, 2011 2:20 PM EDT up reply actions  

I gots

An edukayshun.

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by luckycc on Oct 7, 2011 2:22 PM EDT up reply actions  

lol

After 94 wins, and a trip to the NLDS, #InGibbyWeTrust!

by imstillhungry95 on Oct 7, 2011 3:57 PM EDT up reply actions  

Hmmmm

Interesting. Just joined SB Nation today, and this is his first comment. Have a good day, Mr. TrollPickle

After 94 wins, and a trip to the NLDS, #InGibbyWeTrust!

by imstillhungry95 on Oct 7, 2011 2:19 PM EDT up reply actions  

My comment

is a completely legit criticism of this game analysis….

by Dill Pickle on Oct 7, 2011 3:03 PM EDT up reply actions  

It's not so much

what you say in your comment, it’s much more how you say it. See emilylovesthedbacks’ post just below this

After 94 wins, and a trip to the NLDS, #InGibbyWeTrust!

by imstillhungry95 on Oct 7, 2011 3:57 PM EDT up reply actions  

Welcome to the Pit.

Take a little time to look around and get to know us. Don’t use your first comment to blast one of the regulars, please.

It's the stuff that dreams are made of
It's the slow and steady fire

by 4 Corners Fan on Oct 7, 2011 2:23 PM EDT up reply actions  

game one is kind of a small sample size, don't you think?

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by d-dee on Oct 7, 2011 2:24 PM EDT up reply actions  

one game

7 games is a small sample size too. ELIMINATE THE PLAYOFFS!!!!

The FIP difference between Grienke and Gallardo aren’t huge. The results of Games 1 and 2 should be weighted heavily. Gallardo owned the Snakes in game 1…..if you want more of a sample, how about the fact Gallardo is undefeated all time vs AZ as well

by Dill Pickle on Oct 7, 2011 3:07 PM EDT up reply actions  

oh please

Please give us your highly detailed analysis, Mr. Pickle. I am very interested in hearing what you are absolutely positively sure about.

I don't let facts get in the way of my opinion.

by jinnah on Oct 7, 2011 2:44 PM EDT up reply actions   1 recs

"I'm not sure I agree....."

since when does that pass for highly detailed. I’m “trolling” is informed trolling. IF you define trolling as dropping Knowledge and saying things you don’t want to hear.

by Dill Pickle on Oct 7, 2011 3:08 PM EDT up reply actions  

when did

I ever say you were trolling? I merely asked for your analysis as you clearly disagree with ZM’s.

I don't let facts get in the way of my opinion.

by jinnah on Oct 7, 2011 3:31 PM EDT up reply actions  

I define trolling

as whatever the hell I want it to be. Go ahead. Test me.

Tomorrow is another day.

by soco on Oct 7, 2011 10:03 PM EDT up reply actions  

I don't need stats to tell me

Greinke at full rest is a better pitcher than Gallardo at full rest, either. Using one game to justify the next game is silly (I’m pretty sure Ivan Nova was pretty good in his first start against the Tigers, too), and is pretty much the definition of ‘small sample size.’

If I had a choice between two pitchers all else equal (which also was NOT the case the first two games per Greinke’s short rest) give me the better pitcher every time.

by SenSurround on Oct 7, 2011 3:08 PM EDT up reply actions  

If you want to argue Gallardo > Grienke

all else equal, that’s your preroggative, I just don’t agree with you.

by SenSurround on Oct 7, 2011 3:09 PM EDT up reply actions  

Grienke is obviously better than Gallardo

But not against Arizona. There is a difference.

by Dill Pickle on Oct 7, 2011 3:10 PM EDT up reply actions  

again

look at the Ivan Nova example

by blue bulldog on Oct 7, 2011 5:10 PM EDT up reply actions  

One game meme?

I gave a sample of more than 1. I gave Game 1 and Game 2…that’s 2. And if you want more, I gave you Gallardo undefeated all time vs AZ.

Go upstairs and have a snack, mom is getting worried.

by Dill Pickle on Oct 7, 2011 3:11 PM EDT up reply actions  

Now you're just being combatitive

Which I made sure my response wasn’t, since apparently everyone else wanted to bombard you. And to be perfectly fair your argument isn’t terrible, you’ve just been being an ass about presenting it.

I tend to think larger sample sizes, like seasons worth of FIP, are more important than one previous start, or possibly a few starts against a single team spread out accross multiple seasons and locations. If you believe differently, great, but picking fights amongst people you don’t know seems like a bad way of going about it.

by SenSurround on Oct 7, 2011 3:21 PM EDT up reply actions  

You come in

and with your first ever post, bash a writer who has been doing great analysis of matchups for the entire season, and then insinuate that another long-time poster is immature and childish because he doesn’t agree with your “analysis”.

Honestly, I probably agree with you if Greinke wouldn’t be on short rest for the third straight start. But you came in, troll guns blazing, and it set off some alarms. Simmer down, sir.

I should have a mfin theme song.

by emilylovesthedbacks on Oct 7, 2011 3:44 PM EDT up reply actions  

This.

After 94 wins, and a trip to the NLDS, #InGibbyWeTrust!

by imstillhungry95 on Oct 7, 2011 3:57 PM EDT up reply actions  

Ok, I'll bite.

Zack Greinke has been a better pitcher than Gallardo over the course of the entire season, by any number of metrics that you could use. And to throw out an entire season’s worth of data because of one start is absurd, particularly when Greinke wasn’t on full rest for that start.

What's one more comeback, anyway?

by Zavada's Moustache on Oct 7, 2011 3:31 PM EDT via iPhone app up reply actions  

but how dare you provide an opinion!

by Gildo on Oct 7, 2011 4:02 PM EDT up reply actions  

Weak....

No kidding Grienke has had a more productive career….he is older by a few years. Gallardo clearly has a better FIP than Grienke in the 2nd half of THIS SEASON………in addition to Game 1 and 2.

Finally, Gallardo is a great hitter. You lose in nearly all counts. But sure, be a slave to old data, I’ll take NEW data. Why do we have you when you can be replaced by a robot?

by Dill Pickle on Oct 7, 2011 4:35 PM EDT up reply actions  

Greinke was also a collegiate 3B with a damn good bat?

I think most experts would agree that Greinke is probably the better bat if not the better power bat.

-Contributing Writer at The Crimson Quarry.

by JustAJ on Oct 7, 2011 4:48 PM EDT up reply actions  

Wow.....

I guess his butt looks better and his girlfriend is hotter. Go back to the stone age scout.

Gallardo out slugged Prince in 2010.

Dbacks fans are morons.

Gotta Go!

by Dill Pickle on Oct 8, 2011 2:46 AM EDT up reply actions  

Grienke

Didn’t play college you clown….YO’s hitting numbers are way better than Grienke….not even in the same league. Thank god they keep data on pitchers hitting and this isn’t about how you feel about it…..

by Dill Pickle on Oct 8, 2011 2:49 AM EDT up reply actions  

I'm not sure why I'm wasting my time,

Since you’ve clearly made up your mind on this issue, but I’ll try this again. You say that Gallardo is a better pitcher against the Diamondbacks. And I don’t know, it’s possible that there’s just something about Yovani Gallardo that enables him to shut out hitters in Sedona Red uniforms. But more likely we’re dealing with a small sample size of good starts, and such a small sample size does not trump a season’s worth of data on both starters. It just doesn’t.

Also, I’m not sure why you’re saying that because I’m using stats I’m not providing analysis. I formed the opinion that Greinke was a better pitcher using statistics, and I extrapolated that to conclude that he should probably start an elimination game. It’s not an easy decision, which is probably why Ron Roenicke and I disagree on it, but I stated my case and backed it up with evidence. That’s analysis, whether you agree with the results or not.

There are plenty of reasonable ways of disagreeing, and in general we take disagreements in stride on this site. People on here, including myself, have tried to provide reasonable arguments to your point, and you have responded with ad hominem insults. That’s not “reasonable disagreement,” it’s trolling.

And if I can be replaced by a computer, then you can be replaced by a parrot that I can train to say, “Gallardo…Gallardo…Gallardo,” since that seems to be the essence of your argument.

What's one more comeback, anyway?

by Zavada's Moustache on Oct 7, 2011 5:50 PM EDT up reply actions   1 recs

i disagree

stupid people aren’t worth wasting time addressing

your reply is way too long

by blue bulldog on Oct 7, 2011 9:19 PM EDT up reply actions  

Nice call buddy

Gallardo 1 ER in 6 IP. What was Grienke going to do? 0 ER? Gallardo had a better xFIP in the 2nd half….that’s why Ronicke is the manager and you are not. April/May isn’t as important as Sept. Did you bother to look at Sept? Do you know anything about pitching?

Since it is ONE game, you don’t become a slave to data…..you gather additional information beyond SEASON sample which you tout as the be all end all.

Gotta go!

by Dill Pickle on Oct 8, 2011 2:53 AM EDT up reply actions  

Waaaaaaait a minute...

Be straight with me here. Is this just a pitch to sell us a robot?

"Never ignore a coincidence. Unless you're busy, in which case always ignore a coincidence."

by kishi on Oct 7, 2011 6:44 PM EDT up reply actions  

Besides....

both pitchers are available tonight….so there is that.

by Dill Pickle on Oct 7, 2011 3:12 PM EDT reply actions  

Gallardo.

time for some regression. please.

by Gildo on Oct 7, 2011 4:01 PM EDT reply actions  

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