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Salt River Rafters Round-Up 10/4 - Featuring Pitch f/x Analysis of RHP Charles Brewer

Amid the frenzy of playoff baseball and D-backs survival, the AFL got underway yesterday, with Arizona's prospects seeing their first action with the Salt River Rafters against the Peoria Javelinas.  Sure, sure, why on earth would we bother paying attention to anything in the minors at a time like this?  Well, consider this: a year ago, Josh Collmenter was pitching in the Arizona Fall League and Paul Goldschmidt's season at Hi-A Visalia was over.  Nights like last night remind me why I love following prospects so much.

Follow after the jump for a quick recap of the performances from D-backs' farmhands in yesterday's action, and a look at some MLB-quality Pitch f/x data for D-backs pitching prospect Charles Brewer, who started the game for the Rafters.

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RHP Charles Brewer - Starting pitcher for Salt River -  2.2 IP, 5 H, 5 R (4 ER), 2:2 K:BB, 4:1 GO:AO, throwing error.

Don't worry about the ugly ERA from Brewer's line yesterday.  For one, the AFL is a brutal place for pitchers, because of, well, nonsense like this.  The biggest things we can take away from Brewer's outing yesterday are that a) he got another 53 pitches of work in after missing a lot of the season with injuries, and b) there is Pitch f/x data available to give us a good idea of Brewer's arsenal.

Brewer was 90-91 mph with his fastball in the first inning but tapered off to 88-89 mph towards the later part of his outing.  That's merely average velocity on the radar gun, but it's certainly not career-damning.  Plenty of starters have survived in the back end of a big-league rotation with that velocity by commanding and controlling it well, which Brewer has a reputation of doing.  Additionally, Brewer seems to get plenty of sink and run in on right-handed hitters on the pitch, getting anywhere from 5-7 inches of break according to Pitch f/x, which should go a long way in preventing Brewer from having immense home run problems that have ruined the careers of many other pitchers with similarly-low velocity.

As far as secondary offerings go, Brewer used his change-up more often than his curveball, throwing the former in the low-80's, typically right around 82 mph, while the latter pitch was an upper-70's offering that typically sat around 77 mph.  The change-up has 8-9 inches of break and fading action that mimics the fastball effectively, making the pitch effective, while the curveball is a 12-6 breaker that breaks about a foot, though it seems more to be a round, depth-heavy pitch than a sharp-breaking killer (side note: Ian Kennedy's curveball is a similar, depth-heavy offering that has clearly worked well enough for him).  This fastball/change-up/curveball combo gives Brewer three distinct velocity levels to work at, allowing him to change speeds in order to get early or late swings while throwing strikes and getting movement on the ball to limit free passes and induce ground balls.

 

OF Adam Eaton - batting leadoff, playing in left field - 2-4, 2B, 2 K, 2 BB, SB

Regardless of where he goes or what the level of competition is, Eaton seems to find a way to hit.  On one hand, it's the AFL, and it's hardly uncommon for hitters to post utterly absurd batting lines.  Additionally, the two strikeouts Eaton posted in this game aren't exactly encouraging.  However, even if you think the hits on balls in play were largely flukey, the two walks are true signs of Eaton's patience, and the combination of the stolen base and Eaton's spot in the lineup show that the organization thinks he can develop into a top-of-the-order on-base type hitter in a best-case scenario.  I would warn against following Eaton's batting line in the AFL too closely, as they're more likely to mislead than be informative, but I'll be very much looking forward to any scouting reports that leak out on the interwebs.

 

3B Ryan Wheeler - batting sixth, the designated hitter - 3-5, 2 2B, GIDP

Like with Eaton, Wheeler's AFL numbers aren't going to provide us with any real insight as to what kind of prospect he is.  What will be interesting to see are any scouting reports that hit the internet as the AFL schedule progresses to see what kind of projections exist on Wheeler's bat.  He's not much of a defender at third base - more of an emergency bench option there - so he's going to have to really hit to have any sort of big-league value.  In all likelihood, Wheeler winds up serving as a bench bat, but given how well he hit for his age at Double-A this year, he could be a fine one for the D-backs.  It'll be interesting to see if he gets any time at third base, first base, or even in the outfield.

 

2B David Nick - batting ninth, playing second base - 1-3, K, 2 BB

I'll be paying attention to the kind of numbers Nick puts up in the AFL more so than either Eaton or Wheeler (note: still not a whole lot), because his assignment to the Rafters represents an enormous jump in competition level compared to what Nick faced every day with Hi-A Visalia this year.  I'm hoping to see a solid K:BB rate and perhaps a bit of pop, anything that demonstrates that Nick's hitting ability treads water against mostly Double-A or Triple-A level talent in the AFL.  I imagine that Nick will see everyday playing time, as he and Detroit's Hernan Perez - assigned to the team as filler after posting a .677 OPS in the Low-A Midwest League this year - are the only second basemen on the roster, and there's also only one shortstop of note on the club in the Dodgers' Jake Lemmerman.  Nick is a lock to join Double-A Mobile in 2012, and this will be an interesting small assignment to give us an idea of how well he'll deal with the jump.  Of course, I'll still be weighing scouting reports more heavily than any AFL numbers.

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Eaton

First time on here at the Snake Pit…

Nice recap on the AZ Fall League action.

Just wanted to know why Eaton’s hits would be considered “flukey”? At this point it should be clear to everyone that, aside from having plus speed & above-ave on-base skills from the left-hand side, Eaton probably has as much, if not a tick more, pure raw strength than guys like Parra and Pollock (he hit as many HRs in short season last year, than Parra ever did in a full season at the MiL level). So it’s not like we’re talking about a light-hitting, slap-hit approach that relies solely on speed (which he does have), ball placement, and luck. He can drive the ball as well, if not better, as any of our up-the-middle prospects (with the exception of maybe Broxton, who has more pure strength than any of our up-the-middle guys, but who clearly is still very raw at the plate).

by OnlyIfISaySo on Oct 5, 2011 9:55 AM EDT reply actions  

he's just referring to

the fact that plenty of hits in the AFL are flukey in general

by blue bulldog on Oct 5, 2011 10:00 AM EDT up reply actions  

I certainly didn't mean that as a slight on Eaton

As bb mentioned, it’s mostly due to the environment he’s playing in. Heck, yesterday alone AFL hitters combined for a .329/.420/.577 batting line! You’re right about Eaton’s raw power – I wouldn’t exactly call it “strength” – b/c he has plus bat speed that is superior to either Parra’s or Pollock’s – the guy’s wrists are incredible. However, I don’t see him having the contact hitting ability of either of those guys, and I think his defensive value, while good, will be less than either of those two offer. It’s also worth noting that the Pioneer League is incredibly homer-friendly, so that remarkable production from a year ago is a bit deceiving.

However, there’s really nothing about what you said that’s incorrect, and Eaton’s a heck of a guy to have.

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by Dan Strittmatter on Oct 5, 2011 1:15 PM EDT up reply actions  

AFL Stats

At the end of the day, it’s still all about context.

Don’t be impressed if a guy is hitting .300 when the league avg is .285.

But DO be impressed if a guy is in the top 10 in OPS for the league, or is in the top 10 in BB/K ratio. This is still a high level of competition and guys that do really well in the AZFL tend to have a pretty decent shot at a major league career that is worth something.

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by shoewizard on Oct 5, 2011 10:03 AM EDT reply actions  

However

With as small of a sample as the AFL provides, BABIP fluctuations can really skew the data, particularly OPS. K/BB numbers are probably significant, but w/o pitch-by-pitch discipline data, the samples are really too small to have extremely significant data.

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by Dan Strittmatter on Oct 5, 2011 1:28 PM EDT up reply actions  

Eaton

definitely excited about this prospect

it doesn’t sound like he would be a plus defender in CF, the way Pollock seems to be, but scouting reports seem to indicate that he could stick in CF if we need him to

the plate discipline is definitely legit. the only concern is that his lack of power means that pitchers aren’t going to be that afraid to pitch straight at him. on the other hand, Sickels has said Eaton has a legit plus hitting tool. that’s going to compensate a lot for his lack of power, because pitchers are still going to be afraid to just throw down the middle. also love the fact that he’s left-handed.

by blue bulldog on Oct 5, 2011 10:05 AM EDT reply actions  

Actually, if he were right-handed

He would be a second baseman and a top-100 prospect. He also wouldn’t have been available when we drafted him, and would have been an easy top-10 round pick.

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by Dan Strittmatter on Oct 5, 2011 1:41 PM EDT up reply actions  

okay fair enough

but since he can’t be a 2B because he’s left-handed, i just meant i’m glad he’s a left-handed outfielder as opposed to a right-handed outfielder

speaking of which…would we consider moving Pollock to 2B? i get that he’s got above-average to plus defense in CF, which is nice….but if he can be an above-average defender at 2B that’d fit our needs a lot more

by blue bulldog on Oct 5, 2011 4:38 PM EDT up reply actions  

There was talk of that around draft time

But it’s probably too late for that. Would be hard to get the motions down that quickly.

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by Dan Strittmatter on Oct 5, 2011 6:02 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions  

Thanks, makes sense on the overall misleading nature of AZFL hits & stats…

But here’s my point about saying that Eaton “lacks power”. If that’s the case, then I would assume that, when speaking of guys like Pollock, Parra, etc…You’d also have to say that they all lack power. Having ave raw strength does not translate into lacking power. Regardless of the height, Eaton actually would rate as having a bit more power than those 2 guys.

I guess it all leads to me saying that the Eaton vs Pollock debate is way closer, probably in the organization’s mind, than most people would assume. If bat, on-base skills, & speed at CF are pretty much a wash…do you take the RHH with better body, instincts, & defense…or the LHH with better arm & tick more power? It’ll be fun to watch what happens.

by OnlyIfISaySo on Oct 5, 2011 10:18 AM EDT reply actions  

Pollock and Parra

do lack power

definitely Pollock. dude has almost no power at all.

Parra might have a bit more power in him. hard to say who has more between him and Eaton.

by blue bulldog on Oct 5, 2011 11:17 AM EDT up reply actions  

Third in the SL in doubles has no power?

Look, I get that you’re not Pollock’s biggest fan, but that’s just crazy. Power doesn’t have to equal home runs. You can be a single-digit HR guy, which Pollock probably will be, and still have power that plays in-game.

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by Dan Strittmatter on Oct 5, 2011 1:35 PM EDT up reply actions  

eh

it’s not that i dislike Pollock. i was mostly just going off the scouting report. BA said today that his power is below average.

i mean, i definitely agree you can not launch bombs all the time, and still have relevant in-game power. i think we both agree that traditionally doubles are underrated relative to HR’s.

i’m a little hesitant though that his doubles are necessarily going to play at the major league level. actually, to a certain extent, he’s basically a right-handed version of Parra. i feel like their scouting reports coming up through the minors seem fairly similar. line-drive gap power. plus pure hitting ability. not amazing plate discipline, but not bad plate discipline either. great defense in the outfield.

maybe that should actually make me higher on Pollock. but i’m kinda just scared that prospects like Parra don’t actually pan out all that often in the majors.

by blue bulldog on Oct 5, 2011 4:46 PM EDT up reply actions  

Pollock is much more patient

Than Parra was pre-2011. Then again, ARLs and all…

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by Dan Strittmatter on Oct 5, 2011 6:04 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions  

as for the debate between Eaton vs. Pollock

honestly, i think Pollock is somewhat overrated in scouting circles. BA had him as the 14th best prospect in the Southern League, which means he’s getting close to borderline Top 100 status. probably around a 120th best prospect scenario.

if it were up to me, i’d try to parlay that value and trade him away to a team that needs a CF. if we could package Pollock with Parker and maybe Holmberg to the Nats for Zimmerman, i’d definitely do that.

i don’t think the difference between Eaton vs. Pollock is huge at all. in fact, i personally prefer the LHH who has shown better plate discipline, though Pollock’s instincts will translate into better range at CF, and more steals along the base paths.

by blue bulldog on Oct 5, 2011 11:20 AM EDT up reply actions  

I think you're overestimating the chances that the Nationals are even willing to consider

Moving Ryan Zimmerman. That’s a team that went 80-81 this year and hopefully gets Strasburg for a full season in 2012. If Werth can return to even a slight resemblance of his pre-2011 form, that’s a dangerous club with Zimmerman locked into a good contract and probable improvements from the young kids like Desmond, Espinosa, and Ramos. Add in the odds that they go out and get a new, everyday-caliber LF and you have a recipe for a contending team in 2012. That’s not a team that trades their star everyday third baseman.

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by Dan Strittmatter on Oct 5, 2011 1:40 PM EDT up reply actions  

yeah

you’re right…that’s probably a pipe-dream

by blue bulldog on Oct 5, 2011 4:46 PM EDT up reply actions  

Zimm would be sick

But they’re working on an extension apparently. I don’t think there’s a realistic way we can improve the lineup this winter. Keep Robeerts at 3rd, Hill at 2nd and hope Upton, Miggy, Goldie and Parra keep improving. Drew is walking around at least seen on camera.

Honestly there isn’t a big way we can spend either, if Saunders isn’t picked up the payroll might not even go up which is fine because there’s not much available.

Kennedy
Hudson
Parker
Collmenter
Miley

Bauer probably up a few months in unless he impresses in ST. Take the Moore route with our franchise lefty.

by Husk on Oct 5, 2011 6:14 PM EDT up reply actions  

And if we can't find anything worthwhile to spend on

Spend a TON on the draft. Like this year. But more.

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by Dan Strittmatter on Oct 6, 2011 3:02 AM EDT up reply actions  

Our 1st round pick will be at the very end right?

Signing bonus’ won’t be too bad. I dunno how we could spend more than last year with two top 7 picks…

by Husk on Oct 6, 2011 3:37 AM EDT up reply actions  

well

we could have spent the money and picked up Trevor Story in the Supp round this past year :(

but yeah, if we have the money, we should definitely go after a signability guy late in the first round and in the supp

by blue bulldog on Oct 6, 2011 12:43 PM EDT up reply actions  

I'm perfectly okay with Andrew Chafin over Story...

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by Dan Strittmatter on Oct 11, 2011 1:19 AM EDT up reply actions  

Bradley only cost $1MM up front

And Bauer was cheap at $3.2MM.

It’d be freakin’ sweet if we could go after someone like Josh Bell in next year’s draft group. Get him in the later rounds, give him a bunch of money, and basically get an extra high-round pick. There are plenty of late-round guys worth paying million-dollar bonuses. :-)

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by Dan Strittmatter on Oct 11, 2011 1:19 AM EDT up reply actions  

David Nick

Really watching this kid. If there’s one thing the org could use more of it’s some quality middle infield talent, and I hope he can step it up.

by SenSurround on Oct 5, 2011 2:31 PM EDT reply actions  

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