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What're the Odds? Coming Back from a 0-2 Deficit

MILWAUKEE, WI - OCTOBER 02:  The Arizona Diamondbacks look on from their dugout during Game Two of the National League Division Series against the Milwaukee Brewers at Miller Park on October 2, 2011 in Milwaukee, Wisconsin.  (Photo by Jonathan Daniel/Getty Images)

The Diamondbacks find themselves in the unenviable position of being down 0-2 in the NLDS.  Their backs are against the wall because of the short series format; the first two games go to the team with home field advantage, then two at the other team's home, then back to the first location.  The Brewers did exactly what you would expect a team to do: play well at home.  Now it puts the D-backs on the brink since the series is only 5 games.

You know all these details.  The 5 game series has been part of the baseball format since 1995, when MLB added an extra round to the playoffs in an attempt to create more excitement after losing the World Series to a labor dispute the year before.  Since 1995 there have been 64 completed series in the first round.  The D-backs are playing in their fifth NLDS.  Again, you know all of these.  What you might not know is the likelihood a team comes back from an 0-2 deficit in a 5 game series.

Star-divide

Like I said above, there have been 64 total 5 game series before this year.  In a 5 game series, there aren't many possible outcomes, but when a team goes up 2-0 on the series there are only 4 possible outcomes for the other team: they get swept (win no games), win 1 game, win 2 games, or somehow win all 3 remaining games.  As you can imagine every subsequent game should become more difficult, given that it is another opportunity for the leading team to get the series win.  To use a tennis term, every game is a match point.  The leading team (the Leader from now on) needs to only win one more game to move on.  The other team (the Opposition from now on) cannot afford any mistakes.

So let's look at what has come before and figure out the previous odds that the Diamondbacks can reach each outcome.  It's not scientific; although there is a larger sample for getting swept, each series has different qualities that might change the outcome odds in the future.  

0 Wins

The most likely scenario at this point is that the D-backs get swept.  Unfortunately, a first round sweep is a very likely scenario in all situations.  Of the 64 previous series, 27 were sweeps.  In other words, 42.2% of all 5 game series result in the Opposition winning no games.  When you look at all the series with the Leader taking the first two games, the situation becomes even more dire.  41 series have had one team jump out to a 2-0 lead (65.9% of the time).  From here 27 of those 41 series ended in a sweep.  Obviously any sweep would have to start with the Leader getting a 2-0 lead, but 65.9% of the time the Leader also takes the next game.

In other words, two thirds of the time the Opposition gets swept after dropping the first 2 games.  The Diamondbacks are going to have to fight to even get to Game 4.

1 Win

The second most likely scenario is the Diamondbacks get 1 win.  This means that Collmenter will have to be sharp, and the offense clicking, if the home team hopes to see a Game 4.  It's just not a particularly likely occurrence.  Of the 41 series starting 0-2, the Opposition has managed to win the next game only 14 times.  So 34.1% of the time the Leader fails to capitalize on the Match Point.  

That might seem like a little ray of sunshine, but keep in mind that winning only 1 game has happened 9 times.  In other words, 22% of the time the Opposition only wins one game.

2 Wins

There have been only 5 instances where a team has gone down 0-2 in the League Division Series, but then gone on to win 2 games.  If the Diamondbacks want to force a Game 5, they'll have to hope to be in that 12.2%.  

3 Wins

Amazingly, there are more teams that have won a series after going down 0-2 than those that have only won 2 games.  Only once has a team gone down 0-2 and forced a Game 5, but still ended up losing.  Four times a team has gone down 0-2 and managed to win the whole thing.  That's only 9.8% of the time, and the last time was in 2003.  The four teams to successfully dodge the 0-2 hole were: 1995 Mariners (over the Yankees), 1999 Red Sox (over the Indians), 2001 Yankees (over the Athletics), and the 2003 Red Sox (over the Athletics).  

Let's Review

So here's a rundown of the various percentages I've tried to sprinkle above:

0 Wins - 65.9%

1 Win - 34.1%

Only 1 Win - 22%

2 Wins - 12.2%

Only 2 Wins - 2.4%

3 Wins - 9.8%

And for the visual people:

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Hopefully the Diamondbacks will win out.  The odds aren't good, but it certainly isn't impossible.  Sure, it doesn't happen often, but there haven't been many teams that have even gotten an opportunity to try it.  And we can't take the failures of previous teams and expect that it will full predict what the Diamondbacks will do.

Yes, this was a depressing piece to read (and write, let me assure you).  But I thought people might want some numbers to help contextualize if the Diamondbacks do pull off a tremendous upset.  We're down now.  But Tuesday's another day.


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I'm optimistic about Game Three

I think Marcum at Chase Field is a bad recipe for Milwaukee, and I think Collmenter can neutralize Prince. Braun is a pain, but he has to not be hot at least one game, right? Right?….

With all the warning-track hits we’ve been collecting this series, I think we could go ballistic, particularly on the fly-ball-happy Marcum.

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by Dan Strittmatter on Oct 3, 2011 1:15 PM EDT reply actions  

I agree

But Montero NEEDS to stop trying to swing for the fences. It’s sad but his at bat to end the game yesterday was his best of the series.

Also, i think it’s time for gibby to swallow some pride and start walking Prince or Braun. We have to play smart the whole way out.

Freeze it..and make a popsicle

by Baja F1 on Oct 3, 2011 1:29 PM EDT up reply actions  

I'd almost be tempted

to bench CY against Marcum…

Goldschmidt happens.

by DbacksSkins on Oct 4, 2011 12:33 AM EDT up reply actions  

No way

With Collmenter on the mound, we need the OF defense at its best.

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by Dan Strittmatter on Oct 4, 2011 2:08 PM EDT up reply actions  

Oh

And just saw that the D’back want a “red out” and to wear red to game 3. Good thing i just picked up a new Goldschmidt T-shirt!

Freeze it..and make a popsicle

by Baja F1 on Oct 3, 2011 1:30 PM EDT reply actions  

I'm not going to get down if they get swept

This has been a great yr and I’ve so enjoyed watching this team in every aspect. I just hope that the NL West title doesn’t blind them to the fact that they have to add a pur 4 hole hitter. JUP needs to be protected. Miggy had a career yr but is more suited for 5 or 6 hole. I don’t see much changing in the lineup. Outfield will be the same. Infield adds back in Drew. Goldy will/should be a fixture at 1B. So, lets go get a 3b that can drive in 100 RBI and move Ryro to 2B.

by Majabe on Oct 3, 2011 1:33 PM EDT reply actions  

I think

we will see Goldy in the 4 hole next yr. He fits right in there.

Freeze it..and make a popsicle

by Baja F1 on Oct 3, 2011 1:41 PM EDT up reply actions  

He seems like the prototypical 5 hole guy to me

Big bat, with many strike outs. I think that’s too much pressure for him but hell……I didn’t think he would do half of what he did when he came up.

by Majabe on Oct 3, 2011 2:02 PM EDT reply actions  

Good write up as usual

I dont think we win the series or even two games for that matter but I hope I’m wrong and we win the next three.

by AzDbackfanInDc on Oct 3, 2011 2:12 PM EDT reply actions  

So,

basically, what you’re saying is we need RALLY CAPS!!!

After 94 wins, and a trip to the NLDS, #InGibbyWeTrust!

by imstillhungry95 on Oct 3, 2011 2:15 PM EDT reply actions  

Just joking

I know I would be banned very very quickly if I did that for the rest of the series

After 94 wins, and a trip to the NLDS, #InGibbyWeTrust!

by imstillhungry95 on Oct 3, 2011 2:16 PM EDT up reply actions  

Dunno about that.

Also, it may only be one game…

Goldschmidt happens.

by DbacksSkins on Oct 3, 2011 2:22 PM EDT up reply actions  

NINE INNINGS OF THIS!!

I THINK THAT PEOPLE WOULD GET ANNOYED WITH IT PRETTY QUICKLY

After 94 wins, and a trip to the NLDS, #InGibbyWeTrust!

by imstillhungry95 on Oct 3, 2011 2:36 PM EDT up reply actions  

Yeah, you're right.

That IS annoying. Just saying that getting banned for the rest of the series might not be terrible.

Goldschmidt happens.

by DbacksSkins on Oct 3, 2011 3:32 PM EDT up reply actions  

That may explains bulldogznotzags self-immolation last night in the GDT

"We have to resist it. Do whatever you have to. Cross your fingers. Say a prayer. Think of a basket of kittens. But do not give in to the fear..."

by Jim McLennan on Oct 3, 2011 4:25 PM EDT up reply actions  

Maybe it would bring good luck...

Hmmmmm….

After 94 wins, and a trip to the NLDS, #InGibbyWeTrust!

by imstillhungry95 on Oct 3, 2011 5:09 PM EDT up reply actions  

Good and interesting analysis.

I was interested to see if HFA was a factor at all in any of this. I removed the data from 1995-1997, as the playoff format of the LDS was different then. It used to be 2-3, instead of the 2-2-1 started in 1998 that we have today, so it’s not really apples to apples. I crunched a few numbers myself:

(take all this (like the OP) in the context that past LDS history in no way predicts future outcomes – this is all just an exercise in academic entertainment)

1) Since 1998, and including this year’s postseason so far, there have been 207 LDS games played. The home team has won 108 games (52%), and the road team has won 99 (48%). This makes sense, and is what you would expect when 2 top notch teams go at it, with the home team coming out slightly ahead.

So if you think about each LDS game as an independent trial, either team should have roughly a 50/50 chance to win each game on average. It also indicates that recovering from a 0-2 deficit is at least as unlikely as getting in that hole in the first place.

2) Since 1998, there have been 52 LDSs played. The team with HFA has won 27 series (52%) and the team that has not had HFA has won 25 (48%). I thought is was really cool that this was almost perfectly correlated with the winning percentages of individual LDS games above.

3) Of the 12 series that have gone 5 games, the home team has only won 5, and the non HFA team 7. Interesting, but probably too small a sample to be relevant. Might as well be 50/50.

4) Of the 21 sweeps since 1998, 13 have been by the HFA team, and 8 by the non HFA team. Again, probably too small a sample to be relevant. But what is relevant is the 40% (21/52) sweeps we are seeing. We have shown that roughly 50% of the time, the home team wins an LDS game, and roughly 50% of the time, the HFA team wins their series. So, statistically speaking, sweeps should only occur about 25% of the time, and yet they are happening an astounding 40%. So what is going on? I suspect this overwhelming percentage of LDS sweeps is a product of one team being “hot” at the end of the season (if I get time, I might try to prove this somehow).

Also, you would expect the percentage of sweeps, given an 2-0 series start, to be 50%. But as noted in the OP, the actual percentage is close to 70%. No way to really explain this except there must be something negatively psychological going on, that makes an opposition’s sweep easier to attain when down 0-2. Or maybe exceeding confidence in the 2-0 team.

So, no, HFA seems to have a negligible effect on LDS outcomes, which I found interesting, yet surprising. Keep in mind that the Brewers are very mediocre on the road. In fact, they are the only playoff team with a sub .500 road record.

by BSJ on Oct 3, 2011 6:38 PM EDT reply actions   1 recs

The road record since the break has been pretty good. Keep in mind that the overall record includes Yankee stadium and Fenway.

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by ol Pete on Oct 3, 2011 9:08 PM EDT up reply actions  

23-13 on the road after the break if my counting is right

But…

2-2 at Arizona
2-2 at Colorado
1-2 at San Francisco
6-0 at Houston
3-3 at St. Louis
3-0 at Mets
2-2 at Pittsburgh
3-0 at Cincinnati
1-2 at Cubs

Only three of those teams finished the year with a record above .500: Arizona, San Francisco, and St. Louis. Milwaukee went 6-7 against those teams in the second half on the road. Whooping up on scrubs is something good teams need to do, but it doesn’t mean that the Brewers were a dramatically better road team in the second half.

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by Dan Strittmatter on Oct 4, 2011 2:19 PM EDT up reply actions  

Additionally

That first half that included NYY and BOS also included the following series outcomes:

0-3 @ Cincinnati
0-3 @ Washington
1-2 @ Houston
1-1 @ Dodgers
1-1 @ San Diego
1-2 @ Cincinnati
1-2 @ Cubs
1-2 @ Minnesota

That crappy road record is far from simply playing against the Yankees and Red Sox.

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by Dan Strittmatter on Oct 4, 2011 2:22 PM EDT up reply actions  

Nice analysis

hope to see more of writing around these parts.

Tomorrow is another day.

by soco on Oct 3, 2011 10:22 PM EDT up reply actions  

I don't think

a 70% sweep rate after a 2-0 series start is necessarily psychological. It may just as well be a sign that one team is legitimately better than the other — after all, in most cases, taking a 2-0 lead isn’t just blind chance. There may be a reason one team takes a lead like that.

OTOH, I’m not entirely surprised that once a team has gone from 0-2 to 2-2, the most likely outcome (slightly) is a win by the team that started 0-2. If you’ve already come back from 0-2 to 2-2 against a playoff team, you’re doing something right — but part of that may be psychological.

Good post, and thanks for your insights. Rec’d

Goldschmidt happens.

by DbacksSkins on Oct 4, 2011 1:05 AM EDT up reply actions  

D-backs and Odd's

If baseball were a game of odds based on past events the Diamondbacks wouldn’t be in the playoffs as everyone had them finishing in the bottom of the division on opening day. The numbers didn’t add up to these numbers and the past two years would have prevented everything.

Fact is through the season the Backs have strung together some impressive win streaks far longer than 3 games in just as desperate times. Likewise the Brewers have shown an ability to choke for more than 3 games in a row or we wouldn’t have seen home field advantage come down to the last game of the regular season.

What are the odds of a 3 game come back? 50/50 and a lot of faith just like every game this season. Go Backs!!!

by Andrew Anderson on Oct 3, 2011 7:56 PM EDT reply actions  

er.....

i’m guessing you either do not gamble nor invest

or

have lost a lot of money gambling or investing

by blue bulldog on Oct 3, 2011 10:56 PM EDT up reply actions  

er....

Actually I do good at both because I don’t fear yesterday and can spot a long shot not being clouded by other people’s trivia. If you understood betting it would be like the handicapper setting odds based on trigger when deciding the chances of Man of War in the Triple Crown. Not one of those teams was this team and everyone has bet against this team all year and been wrong. They repeatedly defy stats and do the unexpected, so er….. I stand by what I said.

Andy

by Andrew Anderson on Oct 3, 2011 11:45 PM EDT up reply actions  

All of this

is all well and good, but my intention wasn’t to say with any certainty that the previous series had any bearing on what would happen tomorrow. In fact, I said it twice in the article:

It’s not scientific; although there is a larger sample for getting swept, each series has different qualities that might change the outcome odds in the future.
And we can’t take the failures of previous teams and expect that it will full predict what the Diamondbacks will do.

Tomorrow is another day.

by soco on Oct 4, 2011 12:06 AM EDT up reply actions  

Dunno

that they necessarily “defy stats”. FanGraphs puts us behind only the Phillies, Brewers and Cardinals in WAR in the NL. Baseball-Reference puts us behind them, plus the Braves and Giants.

Goldschmidt happens.

by DbacksSkins on Oct 4, 2011 11:59 AM EDT up reply actions  

Well,

while nobody says it’s impossible, I think the point of soco’s post (and my comment further down) is that, while not impossible, it’s exceedingly difficult, and the deck is definitely stacked against us.

It’s not a 50/50 shot. Tim has it as a 9.8% shot, and I have it as an 11.2% shot, or a 12.5% shot at best, if you think every game has a 50/50 chance for the Dbacks.

Goldschmidt happens.

by DbacksSkins on Oct 4, 2011 1:10 AM EDT up reply actions  

i agree with the redskins fan

no way is there a 50/50 shot at taking the next of three, deifinately around 10 % give or take is more in line

by AzDbackfanInDc on Oct 4, 2011 8:42 AM EDT up reply actions  

Game 3 is always the key

When down 0-2, of course, it is mandatory, but my gut feeling is, if you get a split on the road, then come home and give it back in Game 3, you are in a worse 1-2 situation than winning Game 3… Any stats to prove/disprove?

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by TylerO on Oct 3, 2011 10:01 PM EDT reply actions  

I tend to think

If we can get through Game 3, then we face Randy Wolf at Chase in Game 4, whom we have handled before. And then, it’s a Game 5 in Milwaukee, where anything can happen.

One step at a time.

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by Jim McLennan on Oct 3, 2011 10:25 PM EDT reply actions  

Randy Wolf

used to handle US pretty well too, though. But we’ve been able to get to him the last few years.

Milwaukee might also use Gallardo in Game 4 or something.

Goldschmidt happens.

by DbacksSkins on Oct 4, 2011 1:07 AM EDT up reply actions  

I doubt that they'd use Gallardo in G4

They’d then have to go back to Wolf in Game Five (if necessary) or go Greinke on short rest again. Don’t see them electing to push back Wolf just to start Gallardo on short rest (that does no good) and I definitely don’t see them turning to Greinke again. It’s Marcum/Wolf/Gallardo for them, IMO.

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by Dan Strittmatter on Oct 4, 2011 2:27 PM EDT up reply actions  

I know this is comparing apples and basketballs but...

The Suns came back from 0-2 after having lost the first two at home during the Barkley era. The pressure kindof shifts to the other team after you win game three. I tHink we can do it.

by danceswithwalleye on Oct 3, 2011 10:54 PM EDT reply actions  

Another way of looking at it...

Let’s just go by win % for a second.

Brewers: 98-66 .5976
Dbacks: 94-70 .5732

.0244 Difference

So, call the Brewers 52.44% favorites for game 3, and give the Dbacks a 47.56% chance at winning game 3. That means there’s a 52.44% chance that the Dbacks lose the series 3-0.

If the Dbacks DO win, that makes the win %s

Brewers: 98-67 .5939
Dbacks 95-70 .5758

For a difference of .0181.

Call it a 51.81% to 48.19% chance Mil wins game 4.

IF the Dbacks win game 4, that puts us at

98-68 .5904
96-70 .5783

Difference of .0121, so there’s a 48.79% shot we win game 5.

In summation, through this convoluted, completely unrealistic and totally theoretical analysis, the odds of outcomes are:

52.44% Dbacks lose 3-0
24.64% Dbacks lose 3-1
11.74% Dbacks lose 3-2
11.18% Dbacks win 3-2

If you wanna just say the Dbacks have a 50-50 shot in any given game against the Brewers, that gives us:

50.0% Dbacks lose 3-0
25.0% Dbacks lose 3-1
12.5% Dbacks lose 3-2
12.5% Dbacks win 3-2

And, since soco had a fancy graph, here’s mine:

Goldschmidt happens.

by DbacksSkins on Oct 3, 2011 11:34 PM EDT reply actions   1 recs

Graaaaaaphs

Good stuff.

Tomorrow is another day.

by soco on Oct 3, 2011 11:38 PM EDT up reply actions  

Good points,

But there are a few more lurking variables here. One is that the Brewers are sub-.500 on the road (39-42) while the Diamondbacks are 21 games over at home. Given that the next two games are at Chase, that might shift the odds somewhat.

At the same time though, I don’t think any of the upcoming pitching matchups really favor the Dbacks. Marcum is a better pitcher than Collmenter, and Gallardo is going to be way better than either Saunders or Kennedy on 3 days rest. I don’t really know what to make of this data, just throwing out some ideas.

Anyway, this is good insight. Rec’d.

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by Zavada's Moustache on Oct 4, 2011 1:48 AM EDT up reply actions  

Although,

Apparently, the plan is to throw Randy Wolf in game 4. And Randy Wolf is nothing if not the Brewers’ equivalent of Joe Saunders.

2007: Anybody, Anytime
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by Zavada's Moustache on Oct 4, 2011 1:50 AM EDT up reply actions  

Someone (old Pete?)

pointed out that that road record includes trips to Boston and Yankee Stadium. We, OTOH, went to Kansas City. The Brewers also had the wild card in their division.

That all said, I wasn’t trying to make an all-inclusive simulation, it was more just a thought experiment.

Goldschmidt happens.

by DbacksSkins on Oct 4, 2011 10:54 AM EDT up reply actions  

On the other hand

The Brewers road record also includes a lot more trips to the Astros, Pirates and Cubs, who have three of the five worst W/L records in the NL this year.

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by Jim McLennan on Oct 4, 2011 11:20 AM EDT up reply actions  

Yup,

and averaged 22.75 WAR (f & b) the three of ’em.

Still, in their expanded standings, B-R figures our strength of schedule to be about equal.

Goldschmidt happens.

by DbacksSkins on Oct 4, 2011 11:52 AM EDT up reply actions  

Yeah

And the Brewers have that massive H/R split we can find hope in.

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by Dan Strittmatter on Oct 4, 2011 2:29 PM EDT up reply actions  

one minor point

if the two records are .0244 win %, wouldn’t you expect the difference in probability be .0244 win % in a given game, as opposed to double that, which is the way you calculated it?

regardless this is not a big deal, and is probably insignificant to the calculations…

by blue bulldog on Oct 4, 2011 2:27 AM EDT up reply actions  

True.

Good point, though I expect that the true odds are different — if you accept that the Brewers are a flat-out better team than the Diamondbacks, and some don’t but I do, if the two teams played on a neutral field in a playoff situation I’d expect the Brewers to win 6 or 7 in 10. Out of 100 games, maybe 65.

Goldschmidt happens.

by DbacksSkins on Oct 4, 2011 10:58 AM EDT up reply actions  

I mean,

the Phillies, the best team in the majors this year, had a .630 win , but I think in a postseason game, they have better than 63 odds against an average team. More like 85%.

Goldschmidt happens.

by DbacksSkins on Oct 4, 2011 11:01 AM EDT up reply actions  

Strongly disagree

If anything, the odds are closer to 50%, because you are not playing any sub-.500 teams. Even the Phillies, against winning teams this year, have only a .596 win percentage. Of course, home advantage might play into that, but overall, it certainly isn’t .850.

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by Jim McLennan on Oct 4, 2011 11:23 AM EDT up reply actions  

Well,

I said an average team, not a winning team.

I’m of different minds here. On the one hand, in the playoffs, you can’t hope for a mismatch where your ace happens to go against their 5th starter, and you’re generally facing your opponent’s best possible lineup and best relievers — nobody’s resting. (Well, maybe not in Gibby’s case) So, you’d expect the best teams to really be at their best.

On the other hand, perhaps the biggest difference between good and great teams over the 162 game regular season is depth, and the postseason somewhat negates that. We won’t have to see Wade Miley pitch against Vance Worley. I guess my thoughts above kinda cut both ways.

Goldschmidt happens.

by DbacksSkins on Oct 4, 2011 12:08 PM EDT up reply actions  

Anyway,

that may well be possible, which is partly why I used the differences in win % above.

Goldschmidt happens.

by DbacksSkins on Oct 4, 2011 12:10 PM EDT up reply actions  

Or

double the difference, as it turned out — sorta like WPA.

Goldschmidt happens.

by DbacksSkins on Oct 4, 2011 12:11 PM EDT up reply actions  

I hate when

SBN autoformats out %s.

Goldschmidt happens.

by DbacksSkins on Oct 4, 2011 11:59 AM EDT up reply actions  

shouldn't it be the exact opposite?

let’s use the Dbacks as an example, because the Phillies aren’t a great example due to the fact they probably tanked/cruised through a huge proportion of their last fifteen games

regular season the Dbacks win percentage was 57%. however, in the postseason, we would be playing against teams waaaay better than the average team we played during the regular season. so you should expect our win percentage in a given playoff game to be less than that.

the only countervailing factor is that we’d be using only our best position players, and best pitchers, as opposed to for instance, a shitty 5th pitcher. but every team is going to be doing the same, so this countervailing factor is mitigated a lot.

by blue bulldog on Oct 4, 2011 12:13 PM EDT up reply actions  

This kind of ignores splits and all, as ZM mentioned

But still shows the improbability.

We need Collmenter and Saunders to be awesome. Then we need to pray that Kennedy handles short rest better than Gallardo. The chances are small, but that’s what we’re dealing with.

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by Dan Strittmatter on Oct 4, 2011 2:28 PM EDT up reply actions  

i think

Kennedy and Gallardo would be both on normal rest right?

because of the offday between Games 2 and 3?

by blue bulldog on Oct 4, 2011 4:35 PM EDT up reply actions  

Ummmm, yeah,

You’re right. Game Five for both guys would be normal rest with the off-day.

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by Dan Strittmatter on Oct 4, 2011 5:29 PM EDT up reply actions  

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