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Brewers 9, Diamondbacks 4: Bullpen Reverts to 2010, Umpiring Sucks, Sky Falling, etc

Prince Fielder was briefly distracted by what he took to be thousands of soy cheese curds. Turned out they were actually Milwaukee spectators.

The score pretty much says it all, though this game was tied until the 6th inning. Home runs from Paul Goldschmidt, Chris Young, and Justin Upton just weren't enough when the Brewers brought an offense, too. Gory details after the jump.

Star-divide

The Diamondbacks wasted another opportunity in the bottom of the 1st, though it may well have ended up not mattering given what later transpired. Willie Bloomquist struck out to lead off the game, though he nearly reached when Jonathan Lucroy dropped strike 3. Aaron Hill followed it up with a double off the LF wall that Ryan Braun immediately fired back in to 2B, but the extra umpiring brought in for such things turned out to be just as unreliable as the regular umpiring, calling Hill's drive foul even though replays showed it was pretty clearly fair by a few feet. Unfazed, Hill followed it up with a single. Also unfazed, Zach Greinke got a foulout and strikeout to strand the runner.

Daniel Hudson's 1st inning issues remained, as Corey Hart led off with a leadoff single, and then Braun whacked a 1 out homer to give the home team a 2-0 lead after 3 batters. Ryan Braun is now 6-8 with a HR against the Dbacks in this series. Paul Goldschmidt gave Dbacks fans a little hope by homering to lead off the 2nd -- though the Dbacks wouldn't score again until the 4th, despite a Ryan Roberts double and another Hill single. In the bottom of the 3rd, though, Braun barely doubled by Upton, who whiffed on trying to cut it off, and it came back to hurt when Prince Fielder hit a ground ball single up the middle to score Braun. In what would become a pattern, both hits came with 2 outs, as did Rickie Weeks' triple to score Fielder on a fly ball that turned CY around in CF. Score: Brew Crew 4, Dbacks 1.

Unlike Game 1, though, the score didn't stay there. CY atoned for the triple by hitting a solo shot with one out in the 4th. Roberts followed it up by a single and went to 2B on an error, but Greinke easily caught him trying to steal 3rd base for the 2nd out. Hudson pitched around a Greinke single for a scoreless 4th. In the 5th, Hill reached again and Upton did something with it, slamming a pitch deep to LF to tie the game. Things were going okay until 1 out in the bottom of the 6th, when things REALLY went south.

With one out in the 6th, Hudson committed the sin of allowing Jerry Hairston Jr. to double. Despite only having thrown 93 pitches, Kirk Gibson, perhaps overreacting to letting Ian Kennedy pitch to Fielder yesterday, pulled Huddy and brought in ROOGY Brad Ziegler...to face Yuniesky Betancourt, one of the worst hitters in the majors. While pitching to Betancourt, Ziegler set up to pitch, then, in the midst of his high leg kick, paused, spun around to 2nd, and was promptly called for a balk. At this point, it was already starting to look like a poor decision to bring in Ziegler, but when he walked Betancourt for just the 17th time this season (WHAAAAT???), it looked even worse. Don't worry; we had no idea how bad it would get. Lucroy laid down a safety squeeze that Ziegler fielded and threw home off-balance, trying to catch Hairston, and threw well past Miguel Montero, which meant not only giving up the sure out at 1st base but letting Lucroy go to 2nd. Mark Kotsay pinch hit for Takashi Saito, and was intentionally walked; I guess to set up a double play. With the score only 5-4, the Brewers responded by getting 3 straight ground ball base hits up the middle -- I mean, if you're trying to get a DP, you wanna induce a ground ball, but not only were these hard hit, they were hit exactly where nobody was fielding. Corey Hart, Nyjer Morgan and Braun made it 9-4 before Gibson finally pulled Ziegler, having not retired a single batter. An easy time to pull Ziegler might've been after Hart reached and the score 6-4, since Ziegler tends to be pretty bad against lefties like Morgan. Joe Paterson came on, struck out one batter (Prince Fielder) and left, then Bryan Shaw came in and retired Weeks to finally end the inning from Hell.

So, you have Gibson probably making an overanxious move by pulling Hudson after a 1 out double, (despite facing the #8 and #9 hitters next and having posted a 1-2-3 5th inning) then you have Gibson NOT pulling Ziegler while balking, erroring and walking two en route to letting all 6 of his batters reach. That included facing two lefties. Think Gibson would've allowed Paterson to face two righties? Then, with 5 runs already in the bank for the Brewers, Gibson burned two pitchers to face two batters. He went from overmanaging to undermanaging to suddenly overmanaging again, in my opinion. On top of it, the pitcher's spot led off the next inning, and despite a 5 run deficit and nobody on base, we were treated to a Sean Burroughs pinch K.

Against LaTroy Hawkins, after Burroughs, Willie Bloomquist and Aaron Hill both walked, and Willie B stole second during Hill's AB. Upton and Montero couldn't do anything, and the Dbacks didn't score. Micah Owings, who just as well could've pinch hit for himself, pitched a 1-2-3 7th. Francisco Rodriguez walked Goldschmidt and gave up a single to CY to start the 8th, but once again, the Dbacks did nothing with it, Roberts, Parra and PH Geoff Blum going down in order. David Hernandez pitched a 1-2-3 8th, and though John Axford walked Hill and Montero, he struck out Goldschmidt to end the game.

Though there weren't too many particularly egregious umpiring mistakes after Aaron Hill's non-double call, (most commenters were ambivalent about the balk call on Ziegler) the strike zone wasn't without its discrepancies between Hudson and Greinke, although that was better than yesterday, too. It's pretty tough to justify extending the zone during Goldy's 9th inning AB:

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Given that those first two were called strikes pretty clearly off the plate, it's no wonder Goldschmidt swung at whatever came next. (A low slider, in this case) As noted, however, the strike zone was certainly more consistent than Saturday's game. Perhaps yesterday's Montana-sized zone explains why Brewers pitchers walked 5 Diamondbacks today, expecting all strikeouts looking.

In some ways, we can break down today's game to simple hitting w/ RISP. During the regular season, the Brewers had a .774 OPS in that situation, the Dbacks a .750. (National League average was .723, though that isn't park adjusted, of course) In this game, the Diamondbacks had an .083 OPS w/ runners in scoring position (0-11 with a walk). The Brewers, on the other hand, had a 1.414 OPS w/ RISP (5-9, 1 triple, 2 walks and a reached on error). That's the difference in this game. Despite the Brewers being perceived as a slugging team, we outhomered them 3-1, and were outscored by 5 runs even though we had the same number of baserunners and more chances to drive in runs.

 

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via www.fangraphs.com

Most Valuable Player (MVP): Justin Upton, +15.6
Also Valuable Player (AVP): Chris Young, +14.4

Least Valuable Pitcher (LVP): Brad Ziegler, -37.5%
Not Helping (NH): Daniel Hudson, -19.8%; Gerardo Parra, -12.3%


Just over 2100 comments over two threads for this one, led by imstillhungry95 with 317 comments. I was in second with 194 and NASCARbernet put up 133 for third place. CaptainCanuck, snakecharmer, soco and Zavada's Moustache also posted triple digits in comments. The seven of us were joined by 47 of our closest friends, including Dewberry, blue bulldog, Rockkstarr12, 4 Corners Fan, txzona, hotclaws, The so-called Beautiful, mrssoco, kishi, Backin'the'Backs, Craig from Az, friendly visiting fan NoahJ, leemellon, diamondfacts, luckycc, asteroid, EvilG, azshadowwalker, shoe gays, MissingThePepsiBlimp, blank_38, Rcastillo, Fauxmoehawkeen, DivineWolfwood, Brian MacKinney, TinySarabia, Jim McLennan, jinnah, BulldogsNotZags, brighten the corners, jzaun, Wailord, Azreous, Bryn21, eel, Counsellmember, oldspartan, dbacks25, dbacksfann, Suns R Us, GuruB, jwimh3, NewJackCity, Lisalisa8, shoewizard, Skii, and nateasaurus.

 

Comment of the day goes to ZM:

This is like watching

A puppy get tortured.

2007: Anybody, Anytime 
2011: Justin Upton, All the Time

by Zavada's Moustache on Oct 2, 2011 4:22 PM MST 

 

Yeah, pretty much.

So, the series comes to Arizona on Tuesday at 6:37PM for at least one game. Let's hope we survive to see a Wednesday game at least.

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For some reason

it really scares me that the first true must-win of the postseason is a) ours and b) going to be started by a rookie that usually struggles when facing a team for the second time and will be facing the Brewers for the third time tommorow. Maybe I’m overreacting, but that’s how I roll

After 94 wins, and a trip to the NLDS, #InGibbyWeTrust!

by imstillhungry95 on Oct 3, 2011 12:13 AM EDT reply actions  

Collmenter

14 innings against the Brewers: 6 hits/0 runs

It doesn’t matter who starts, being down 0-2 and elimination on the line is scary no matter what.

by Augdogs on Oct 3, 2011 8:01 AM EDT up reply actions  

Tough game

I was driving during the Big Meltdown, and I’m lucky to not drive straight off an overpass.

Tomorrow is another day.

by soco on Oct 3, 2011 12:23 AM EDT reply actions  

You are lucky

I really want to know why Ziegler was left in so long. It’s not like there was only a couple of relievers left in the pen. He was the first one used!

After 94 wins, and a trip to the NLDS, #InGibbyWeTrust!

by imstillhungry95 on Oct 3, 2011 12:27 AM EDT up reply actions  

We're the only team this year down 2-0

Yaaaaaay.

"If you find a man or woman who sticks around after you tell them "I may be a demented horse, but I know CPR," you marry them. No questions asked." - kishi

by CaptainCanuck on Oct 3, 2011 12:37 AM EDT via mobile reply actions  

Well,

besides the 22 other teams down 0-0.

Goldschmidt happens.

by DbacksSkins on Oct 3, 2011 12:41 AM EDT up reply actions  

That sounds like

.500 to me

After 94 wins, and a trip to the NLDS, #InGibbyWeTrust!

by imstillhungry95 on Oct 3, 2011 12:42 AM EDT up reply actions  

Well, yeah

But I don’t want to be happy with just making tha playoffs. Moar plz

"If you find a man or woman who sticks around after you tell them "I may be a demented horse, but I know CPR," you marry them. No questions asked." - kishi

by CaptainCanuck on Oct 3, 2011 12:43 AM EDT via mobile up reply actions  

Playoffs = crapshoot

“Making the playoffs” should be the goal. Baseball playoffs are such a total crapshoot that, once you get there, anything else is a bonus.

(OTOH, it’s the HARDEST of the major sports to get INTO the playoffs – another reason that making it there is the goal)

“Best of 5” after 162 games, where the BEST TEAM IN THE LEAGUE has a winning percentage of only 63% is completely insignificant for showing which team is better.

It’s total luck at this point. shrug

by Jabari1 on Oct 3, 2011 12:46 PM EDT up reply actions  

I agree

That’s why I don’t like expanding the playoffs.

by Craig from Az on Oct 3, 2011 3:55 PM EDT up reply actions  

And only seven times

Has a team won an LDS after being down 2-0. Who was the last one that did that?

(actually someone look up the “seven times” thing, I’m not 100% sure)

"If you find a man or woman who sticks around after you tell them "I may be a demented horse, but I know CPR," you marry them. No questions asked." - kishi

by CaptainCanuck on Oct 3, 2011 12:45 AM EDT via mobile reply actions  

7 times or not

if any team is capable of doing it is this one

by Backin'the'Backs on Oct 3, 2011 12:46 AM EDT up reply actions  

Yes please!

Let’s hope being at home can do something.

"If you find a man or woman who sticks around after you tell them "I may be a demented horse, but I know CPR," you marry them. No questions asked." - kishi

by CaptainCanuck on Oct 3, 2011 12:55 AM EDT via mobile up reply actions  

Red Sox

in 2003. They mentioned that on Baseball Tonight, and I think that the seven times is correct

After 94 wins, and a trip to the NLDS, #InGibbyWeTrust!

by imstillhungry95 on Oct 3, 2011 12:49 AM EDT up reply actions  

I just

went through every LDS with a 3-2 record, and only found 4 that started 0-2.

Tomorrow is another day.

by soco on Oct 3, 2011 12:55 AM EDT up reply actions  

Ok

I thought that’s what they said on Baseball tonight, but I’ll admit that I wasn’t really listening. They were talking about the Dbacks collapse

After 94 wins, and a trip to the NLDS, #InGibbyWeTrust!

by imstillhungry95 on Oct 3, 2011 12:57 AM EDT up reply actions  

They ain't right

(I hope)

Tomorrow is another day.

by soco on Oct 3, 2011 12:57 AM EDT up reply actions  

ESPN

was talking about something related to the Dbacks. If I did hear right, I doubt they were right

After 94 wins, and a trip to the NLDS, #InGibbyWeTrust!

by imstillhungry95 on Oct 3, 2011 12:59 AM EDT up reply actions  

I'm just

really hoping now they weren’t right because I just wrote a whole article about our remaining odds in this series.

Tomorrow is another day.

by soco on Oct 3, 2011 1:02 AM EDT up reply actions  

Oh wow

I really hope for you then that they’re wrong!

After 94 wins, and a trip to the NLDS, #InGibbyWeTrust!

by imstillhungry95 on Oct 3, 2011 1:05 AM EDT up reply actions  

they put up a graphic on screen yesterday

with teams who had been down 0-2 and went on to win and I know there was more than 4 …

I don't let facts get in the way of my opinion.

by jinnah on Oct 3, 2011 12:53 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions  

Just LDS?

Or LCS too?

Goldschmidt happens.

by DbacksSkins on Oct 3, 2011 12:55 PM EDT up reply actions  

hmm

I don’t recall. The only ones I remember being there were the Mariners in 95 and the Sox in 03.

I don't let facts get in the way of my opinion.

by jinnah on Oct 3, 2011 2:57 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions  

Well

I went through the list multiple times and I can guarantee it was only 4.

Tomorrow is another day.

by soco on Oct 3, 2011 10:31 PM EDT up reply actions  

Wait

That puts us at worse odds. Dang….

"If you find a man or woman who sticks around after you tell them "I may be a demented horse, but I know CPR," you marry them. No questions asked." - kishi

by CaptainCanuck on Oct 3, 2011 1:05 AM EDT via mobile up reply actions  

Yeah

you probably don’t want to know how bad the odds are (but if you read my article tomorrow you’ll find out!).

Tomorrow is another day.

by soco on Oct 3, 2011 1:07 AM EDT up reply actions  

I'm a glutton for punishment

I’ll be reading it. And then probably go curl up in a corner and cry

After 94 wins, and a trip to the NLDS, #InGibbyWeTrust!

by imstillhungry95 on Oct 3, 2011 1:08 AM EDT up reply actions  

So are you saying

We shouldn’t read your article tomorrow? :-)

"If you find a man or woman who sticks around after you tell them "I may be a demented horse, but I know CPR," you marry them. No questions asked." - kishi

by CaptainCanuck on Oct 3, 2011 1:09 AM EDT via mobile up reply actions  

I came up

with only 3 times.

Tomorrow is another day.

by soco on Oct 3, 2011 12:49 AM EDT up reply actions  

Scratch that

it’s 4 times.

Tomorrow is another day.

by soco on Oct 3, 2011 12:55 AM EDT up reply actions  

See?

No problem.

"The wise writer, I think, writes for the youth of his own generation, the critic of the next and the schoolmasters of ever afterward." F. Scott Fitzgerald.

by NASCARbernet on Oct 3, 2011 1:03 AM EDT up reply actions  

Can someone

remind me again why this team is so in love with Dbacks Comebacks©?

After 94 wins, and a trip to the NLDS, #InGibbyWeTrust!

by imstillhungry95 on Oct 3, 2011 12:52 AM EDT reply actions  

To me

it suggests a team that isn’t particularly well prepared going into games, but can exploit pitchers when their pitches begin to lose movement later in games, and take advantage of relief pitchers in pressure situations. It’s something that can be cured, but it will take tim.

"The wise writer, I think, writes for the youth of his own generation, the critic of the next and the schoolmasters of ever afterward." F. Scott Fitzgerald.

by NASCARbernet on Oct 3, 2011 12:59 AM EDT up reply actions  

time.

"The wise writer, I think, writes for the youth of his own generation, the critic of the next and the schoolmasters of ever afterward." F. Scott Fitzgerald.

by NASCARbernet on Oct 3, 2011 1:01 AM EDT up reply actions  

That would make sense

Right at first, it does kind of remind me of a student that doesn’t prepare for the test, and ends up failing

After 94 wins, and a trip to the NLDS, #InGibbyWeTrust!

by imstillhungry95 on Oct 3, 2011 1:01 AM EDT up reply actions  

In this sense

it suggests that the stat freaks have a point – one can have a better idea of what a pitcher is going to throw and how those pitches move, if one takes the time to prepare.

"The wise writer, I think, writes for the youth of his own generation, the critic of the next and the schoolmasters of ever afterward." F. Scott Fitzgerald.

by NASCARbernet on Oct 3, 2011 1:03 AM EDT up reply actions  

Another possible explanation

is random chance. We lost a bajillion games in the late innings last year, we’ve won a bunch in the late innings this year. Yes, I understand these are different teams (Putz and Hernandez, especially), and I’m not saying it’s ALL chance, but I am suggesting it is a (maybe significant) part.

by Craig from Az on Oct 3, 2011 3:59 PM EDT up reply actions  

It is a really good thing that Manager of the Year was voted on already

Because this series has pretty much shown us all of Gibby’s poor decisions during the season condensed down into two games. For Game 3 I would love to see the other side of Gibbyball. Weird decisions which actually pay off. Such as Josh Collmenter not only starting a playoff game, but also pitching a shutout.

by SongBird on Oct 3, 2011 1:43 AM EDT reply actions  

Collmenter is a great choice

Particularly with Saunders having his assorted hand troubles, giving Joe another day off and making sure he’s sharp is for the best. Ordering of the starters mathematically doesn’t change the odds that the series ends up materially different, so just make sure guys are rested and healthy.

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by Dan Strittmatter on Oct 3, 2011 2:03 AM EDT up reply actions  

it actually does i think

but i think the probability difference is pretty marginal so not a big deal….

by blue bulldog on Oct 3, 2011 2:15 AM EDT up reply actions  

Just don't get swept

We need 2 home games to help increase our payroll next season.

by Husk on Oct 3, 2011 1:55 AM EDT reply actions  

If you were in the regular season

And said win three in a row, two of which were at home you wouldn’t think it was a huge challenge, so this shouldn’t feel any different. Keep the faith!

Time for another drink then?

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by Wimb on Oct 3, 2011 2:03 AM EDT reply actions   1 recs

I'm tryin' Wimb

It’s just difficult when every strange #gibbyball move doesn’t pay off!

After 94 wins, and a trip to the NLDS, #InGibbyWeTrust!

by imstillhungry95 on Oct 3, 2011 2:07 AM EDT up reply actions  

He's made some rookie manager mistakes, sure

but the players have to execute. I look forward to this series returning to Milwaukee toward the weekend.

"The wise writer, I think, writes for the youth of his own generation, the critic of the next and the schoolmasters of ever afterward." F. Scott Fitzgerald.

by NASCARbernet on Oct 3, 2011 2:20 AM EDT up reply actions  

That would be awesome

if nothing else, we’ll give ‘em a run for their money! And make ESPN wonder if they’ve been wrong about us this entire time!

After 94 wins, and a trip to the NLDS, #InGibbyWeTrust!

by imstillhungry95 on Oct 3, 2011 2:21 AM EDT up reply actions  

I see the D'backs winning the next two games

but they have to really be on the ball to win a game five.

"The wise writer, I think, writes for the youth of his own generation, the critic of the next and the schoolmasters of ever afterward." F. Scott Fitzgerald.

by NASCARbernet on Oct 3, 2011 12:41 PM EDT up reply actions  

I see

us winning Game 3. That’s it.

Goldschmidt happens.

by DbacksSkins on Oct 3, 2011 12:59 PM EDT up reply actions  

Against the Brewers?

Yeah, I would…

This team has been good at coming back WITHIN games, NOT within series’.

Goldschmidt happens.

by DbacksSkins on Oct 3, 2011 10:36 AM EDT up reply actions  

This picture is from Big League Stew's recap of the game

The guy on the left needs to go away

After 94 wins, and a trip to the NLDS, #InGibbyWeTrust!

by imstillhungry95 on Oct 3, 2011 2:23 AM EDT reply actions  

The guy on the left

always needs to go away.

"The wise writer, I think, writes for the youth of his own generation, the critic of the next and the schoolmasters of ever afterward." F. Scott Fitzgerald.

by NASCARbernet on Oct 3, 2011 12:40 PM EDT up reply actions  

So it seems

that AZ sports teams are turning back into… well, AZ sports teams. COLLAPSES EVERYWHERE

Goldy Watch: 48 games, .250/.333/.474

by Jdub220 on Oct 3, 2011 2:41 AM EDT reply actions  

How crazy would it be...

To pick up Aaron Hill’s 8 mil next season based on his small smaple size with the D’Backs? I mean how many realistic upgrade options are available for us this summer at 2B.

by Husk on Oct 3, 2011 3:34 AM EDT reply actions  

I'm beginning to think they will pick it up

So what if you overpay Hill a few million next year. it’s better than throwing away 6-8 million on Mora, Blum, Gallaraga, etc.

Insanity: Doing the same thing over and over and expecting a different result.

by sonic barracuda on Oct 3, 2011 3:57 AM EDT up reply actions  

Saunders etc

I agree. He’s got some pop and plays solid defense. There was some talk here about Drew playing 2B next year but Opening Day is in 6 months and Drew is already walking.

by Husk on Oct 3, 2011 4:26 AM EDT up reply actions  

Blum

will be back. Bloomquist too, probably. Mora and Galarraga, not so much.

Goldschmidt happens.

by DbacksSkins on Oct 3, 2011 10:32 AM EDT up reply actions  

The only saving grace

is that we’re heading home. The Brewers hit like the 1927 Yankees at Miller Park — .805 OPS at home, .698 on the road. That’s a 28% difference after park adjustment. Their OPS this season at Chase was only .694.

The Dbacks hit .781 at home and .692 on the road this year, a 24% difference after park factors. (This is why it was so important that we got home field. Well, this, and did you see those strike calls the last 2 days??)

Goldschmidt happens.

by DbacksSkins on Oct 3, 2011 10:44 AM EDT reply actions  

Okay,

to be fair to the 1927 Yankees, NOBODY hits like them. (.872 OPS)

Goldschmidt happens.

by DbacksSkins on Oct 3, 2011 10:45 AM EDT up reply actions  

As a TEAM?

We had one guy do that, I think (Upton).

by Craig from Az on Oct 3, 2011 4:02 PM EDT up reply actions  

Yeah.

League average OPS was .751.

They had a .683 and .702 OPS in the lineup, then 6 guys over .800, 5 guys over .860, 4 guys over .900, and Ruth and Gehrig over 1.200.

Goldschmidt happens.

by DbacksSkins on Oct 4, 2011 10:40 AM EDT up reply actions  

Ugh...

forgot to use the Gillette template. :(

Goldschmidt happens.

by DbacksSkins on Oct 3, 2011 10:49 AM EDT reply actions  

I've made a sacrifice to the tech gods and asked for forgiveness

I need hardly expand on how difficult it was to find seven virgins in West Phoenix….

"We have to resist it. Do whatever you have to. Cross your fingers. Say a prayer. Think of a basket of kittens. But do not give in to the fear..."

by Jim McLennan on Oct 3, 2011 11:26 AM EDT up reply actions  

Well,

easier there than Tempe.

Goldschmidt happens.

by DbacksSkins on Oct 3, 2011 11:37 AM EDT up reply actions  

Hey oh!

Tomorrow is another day.

by soco on Oct 3, 2011 11:44 AM EDT up reply actions  

Whoa...

how’d you do that??

Goldschmidt happens.

by DbacksSkins on Oct 3, 2011 12:30 PM EDT up reply actions  

Told you

Let’s just say, there are a lot of grumpy parents of deceased virgins over here on the West side.

"We have to resist it. Do whatever you have to. Cross your fingers. Say a prayer. Think of a basket of kittens. But do not give in to the fear..."

by Jim McLennan on Oct 3, 2011 1:19 PM EDT up reply actions  

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