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Diamondbacks Post-Season Post-Mortem: Game 2

Well, that went well, didn't it? Let's review the things we should have learned from Game 1:

  1. Don't be so aggressive on the base-paths
  2. You have options when pitching to Prince Fielder with a base open
  3. When to remove your starting pitcher.

Yeah... About that...

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Ah, there's the offense...
It appears Daniel Hudson is approximately equal to Zack Greinke on short rest. Credit to Paul Goldschmidt, Chris Young and Justin Upton for taking advantage and going deep. Greinke only allowed five home-runs in the entire regular season to right-handed batters, so three such long-balls in one game is good stuff. Aaron Hill reached base all five times he was up, on three hits (or four, including his double, below, rejected by the sixth umpire - good to see them justifying their pay) and two walks, and it was good to see Chris Young get his offensive stroke in order with three hits. All told, ten hits and five free passes was certainly an improvement on the first game. However...

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That's now a total of 23 strikeouts in 66 at-bats this series, and we were abysmal in the clutch going hitless with runners in ten attempts with runners in scoring position. Thus far, the only hit we've managed with RISP was in the first inning of the opening game - the hit that resulted in Willie Bloomquist being thrown out at home-plate. In terms of battling, the two best plate appearances the Diamondbacks had this afternoon were perhaps Daniel Hudson's 10-pitch effort in the second, and Bloomquist's 13-pitch walk in the seventh. In contrast, Gerardo Parra saw only 13 pitches all game, going hitless in four PAs with a couple of K's.

And speaking of 0-for-4 with two strikeouts, Miguel Montero is not a good post-season clean-up hitter. Small sample size, but he's yet to get a hit in seven at-bats with four strikeouts. Miggy appears, in both games, to be trying to hit the ball out of the park in every plate appearance, swinging at just about anything. The production from the two teams' #3 and #4 hitters has really been the key difference thus far in the series:
Milwaukee: 9-for-16, six RBI, six R
Arizona: 2-for-17, two RBI, one R

There goes Hudson
Daniel Hudson's first-inning struggles are a matter of record, and this afternoon was no different, with two more being added, courtesy of Ryan Braun. In 34 first innings, including yesterday, Hudson has allowed 29 runs and has an ERA of 6.35 there, and 3.29 the rest of the way. Maybe we should have sent Jarrod Parker out there for the first inning, and then replaced him with Hudson at the start of the second?

So much wrong in that sixth inning for the Diamondbacks. Firstly, after leaving Kennedy out there too long in Game One, it was almost as if Kirk Gibson swung wildly the other way, yanking Daniel Hudson too early. At 93 pitches, Hudson was well within his normal frame of reference, and the previous, fifth inning had been his best yet, retiring Morgan, Braun (backward K) and Fielder in order. Getting Weeks to open the sixth, made it five in a row for our starter, but a double to Hairston led to a rapid visit from Gibson and the hook for Huddy, even though the bottom of the Cardinals order was coming up.

Hudson seemed to think he could go on - though, as we saw yesterday, a pitcher's opinion is not necessarily accurate in these things. He said, "I felt like I had enough left to at least get a couple more outs. But it wasn't my call, obviously, so I don't know." Certainly, if you look at Hudson's pitch velocity, as shown in the Brooks Baseball pitch f/X graph below, there's little or no evidence that he was running out of gas.

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The implosion of Brad Ziegler
Okay, so who do you bring in, with a runner on second and one out? If you chose to give Brad Ziegler his second successive day of coming in as first relief of our starters, than you're the winner. However, blue bulldog summed up the counter-arguments in the GDT:

There are so many reasons to not put in Ziegler. You waste your ROOGY on the shittiest hitter in the lineup. He’s coming in from the bullpen, so his command isn’t going to be as good as if he’s gotten some hitters to pitch to. It’s not even like he’s your ace reliever. You have no one on 1B so it’s not like you need a groundball. In fact, you’d rather have the flyball pitcher out there, because you don’t want to randomly let the guy on second advance.

And then he balked. That was only the fifth post-season balk by a reliever since 1998, and while you probably couldn't argue with the call, Ziegler was unimpressed. "I honestly don't know what he called. I didn't ask him about it. "I didn't feel like I balked. I felt my (front) foot came down on top of the rubber, so I felt I was clear of my back foot at that point. It didn't matter after that." Ziegler didn't make a fuss, apparently because he did not want to be ejected for arguing. However it might have been better for Arizona if he had been.

For it seemed to rattle our relief pitcher horribly. He walked that batter on four pitches, and then made a terrible play on the sacrifice bunt. Rather than taking the sure out at first, and perhaps limiting the damage to one run, he threw wildly home, when there was no play, and missed Montero badly. So, instead of a man on second and two outs, there were two men in scoring position, and still only one out. Brad should have been removed from the game at that point.

However, Gibson left him in there, and after an intentional walk (as we discussed yesterday, "generally, an intentional walk is a poor strategy"), the Brewers then got three hits and three further runs from the next three batters, without Gibson stirring. Admittedly, that took a total of four pitches, but one wonders if this inertia is his lack of post-season experience? Especially in a best of five series, you can't afford to let games career out of control like this: when a pitcher clearly isn't working, go to the next one. Instead, Ziegler was left in to become the first reliever in the history of the post-season to face six batters without recording an out. 

Conclusion
We knew that playing in Milwaukee wasn't going to be easy, but the Diamondbacks lost those two games more than the Brewers won them, with a lack of clutching hitting, poor pitching from both starters and Brad Ziegler, and a number of questionable decisions by the coaching staff. At the moment, I'm simply left hoping we don't get swept. Anything more than that, seems premature. And can I just say, doing that whole 'Beast Mode' thing, it seems every time the get even the most meaningless of hits, is immensely irritating? I never thought anyone could make me root for the Phillies, but if the Brewers end up getting to the NLCS, it might just happen...

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I was so hoping for a blowout yesterday

I wanted to do it. :-)

If any luck, we’ll get to game five and I’ll have another chance…

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by Dan Strittmatter on Oct 3, 2011 4:38 PM EDT up reply actions  

I have seen nothing from Milwaukee

which would make me wish them success further on. Instead, I’ve seen classless displays from nearly everyone in that lineup.

So let’s take the next two, and make it a Game Five Showdown.

"The wise writer, I think, writes for the youth of his own generation, the critic of the next and the schoolmasters of ever afterward." F. Scott Fitzgerald.

by NASCARbernet on Oct 3, 2011 4:49 PM EDT reply actions  

I would agree with this

even if we were playing the classiest team in sports.

After 94 wins, and a trip to the NLDS, #InGibbyWeTrust!

by imstillhungry95 on Oct 3, 2011 5:12 PM EDT up reply actions  

it wasn't the classy either when

people in phx were throwing water bottles at fielder and his family at the all star game

by AzDbackfanInDc on Oct 3, 2011 7:45 PM EDT up reply actions   1 recs

I tend to expect

Players to be a little more restrained than fans.

"We have to resist it. Do whatever you have to. Cross your fingers. Say a prayer. Think of a basket of kittens. But do not give in to the fear..."

by Jim McLennan on Oct 3, 2011 9:56 PM EDT up reply actions  

I don't really like the beast mode thing

I wish they skipped it except maybe in the dugout or something, but classless? I thought Upton with his bat flip, stare and strut was pretty classless. That’s about all I can think of that I would describe that way.

"Prince Fielder is too fat even for the Oakland A’s" - Billy Beane

by ol Pete on Oct 3, 2011 9:18 PM EDT up reply actions  

Ever think

that maybe the bat flip was a reaction to the stupid Beast Mode?

Tomorrow is another day.

by soco on Oct 3, 2011 10:29 PM EDT up reply actions  

eh

Upton does it enough times that it was probably just an “in the moment, i tied the game up, awww yeeeeaaaah”

by blue bulldog on Oct 3, 2011 10:53 PM EDT up reply actions  

I'm

not really bothered by that (although I’ll admit that part of that is me being D’Backs fan). I think some kind of celebration is in order when you hit a game tying HR in the playoffs. But the Brewers are doing it from damn near every positive play.

Goldy Watch: 48 games, .250/.333/.474

by Jdub220 on Oct 4, 2011 11:54 AM EDT up reply actions  

Ehhh, I don't see many huge issues

They have their beast mode thing, but Arizona also has that motion we made to the dugout after an XBH. It’s not uncommon or a big deal.

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by Dan Strittmatter on Oct 4, 2011 2:30 PM EDT up reply actions  

Montero

Seriously needs knock the hacking off. He needs to have the same approach he did in last nigths final at bat, every at bat. It is so frustrating how he has not been told to stop swinging for the fences…especially right now.

A part of me is now beginning to think that sending bloomquist game 1 was due to this fact about montero. Did Williams know Miggy would just go up hacking, so he tried to score Willie on the single? Honestly, i think it may have a little to do with it.

I hope next year we have Goldy at cleanup. Miggy bats 5 or 6th. Goldy may not have all the things you want from a #4, but he does have the biggest factor, and that’s the damage he can cause. That alone will make people pitch upton a bit more, and we all saw what happens then.

Yesterday was a good point out in that. I think Greinke pitched to Upton knowing that Goldy was comin up soon.

Freeze it..and make a popsicle

by Baja F1 on Oct 3, 2011 5:10 PM EDT reply actions  

i think you're giving Williams way too much credit

it would surprise me a lot if he was capable of thinking that far ahead while a runner was trying to score on a play happening in front of him in real time

by blue bulldog on Oct 3, 2011 7:29 PM EDT up reply actions  

Have you ever been a 3rd base coach?

Personally i have on multiple city league baseball and softball, and some highschool. We always knew who was on deck, and that weighed alot on if we were going to hold or send a runner. it was not a bang bang decision, but more of a if this happens im sending, if it doesnt, im not.

If we knew someone was coming up that may K or pop up, we would be more incline to send the runner home and chance it. Yes it depends on what runner is on, and how hard the ball was hit, ect. but even before the at bat, you take into consideration who is on deck and their bat.

Freeze it..and make a popsicle

by Baja F1 on Oct 4, 2011 2:17 AM EDT up reply actions  

my statement

was more a direct claim on Williams’s intelligence

he often sends runners home only to get them thrown at easily. i’m just not convinced there’s actually a process behind his decision-making, the same way you may have a process for decision-making when acting as a 3B coach

by blue bulldog on Oct 4, 2011 2:25 AM EDT up reply actions  

I would hope he pre-thinks things

If not, than ya, he would not be the sharpest one out there.

Swap Williams and Eric Young!

Freeze it..and make a popsicle

by Baja F1 on Oct 4, 2011 11:49 AM EDT up reply actions  

If Williams were a good 3rd base coach,

he would realize that there was a better chance of Montero knocking him in (even considering his slump) than there was a chance of Bloomquist scoring (like, none).

Goldy Watch: 48 games, .250/.333/.474

by Jdub220 on Oct 4, 2011 12:02 PM EDT up reply actions  

I think your giving Montero

way too much credit. Untill he changes his hacking, i would not trust him to drive in anyone.

Freeze it..and make a popsicle

by Baja F1 on Oct 4, 2011 3:05 PM EDT up reply actions  

um

you do realize Montero doesn’t strike out 100% of the time right?

runner on 3B less than two outs. almost any non-strike gets the runner in.

by blue bulldog on Oct 4, 2011 4:36 PM EDT up reply actions  

Hill's "foul"

What were the announcers saying about that one?

I was at the game on the first base side, and me and the people I was with were all wondering why they were sending Hill back to hit.

by backtocali on Oct 3, 2011 5:12 PM EDT reply actions  

The announcers

on the Dbacks Radio broadcast both thought it was a horrible call, and referenced it several times through out the game

After 94 wins, and a trip to the NLDS, #InGibbyWeTrust!

by imstillhungry95 on Oct 3, 2011 5:13 PM EDT up reply actions  

The announcers said the ball was fair on the replay.

"The wise writer, I think, writes for the youth of his own generation, the critic of the next and the schoolmasters of ever afterward." F. Scott Fitzgerald.

by NASCARbernet on Oct 3, 2011 5:13 PM EDT up reply actions  

I'm referring to the network announcers

"The wise writer, I think, writes for the youth of his own generation, the critic of the next and the schoolmasters of ever afterward." F. Scott Fitzgerald.

by NASCARbernet on Oct 3, 2011 5:13 PM EDT up reply actions  

they did not show it on the scoreboard

For obvious reasons

But I was curious to hear what the people with all the replay had to say about it. We were confused as to what was going on. Even the Brewer fans I was around were wondering.

by backtocali on Oct 3, 2011 5:17 PM EDT up reply actions  

The umpiring thus far

has done nothing to disabuse me of the idea that there has been some outcome hanky-panky for this series. Does anyone really trust Bud Selig to be the paragon of ethical and moral virtue?

"The wise writer, I think, writes for the youth of his own generation, the critic of the next and the schoolmasters of ever afterward." F. Scott Fitzgerald.

by NASCARbernet on Oct 3, 2011 5:15 PM EDT reply actions  

I don't trust Selig as far as I could throw him

But the question is, would an entire umpiring crew go along with him? I really doubt it…

After 94 wins, and a trip to the NLDS, #InGibbyWeTrust!

by imstillhungry95 on Oct 3, 2011 5:18 PM EDT up reply actions  

No, but one or two can make a huge difference

besides, it may not be true in the first place. But it is quacking like a duck, metaphorically speaking.

"The wise writer, I think, writes for the youth of his own generation, the critic of the next and the schoolmasters of ever afterward." F. Scott Fitzgerald.

by NASCARbernet on Oct 3, 2011 5:19 PM EDT up reply actions  

Yeah, this isnt the NBA after all

I havent thought the umpriing overall has been so horrible to think that something that egregious was going on.

by backtocali on Oct 3, 2011 5:20 PM EDT up reply actions  

Don't get me started on the NBA...

"The wise writer, I think, writes for the youth of his own generation, the critic of the next and the schoolmasters of ever afterward." F. Scott Fitzgerald.

by NASCARbernet on Oct 3, 2011 5:22 PM EDT up reply actions  

Didn't

they prove that one ref threw that Suns/Spurs game?

After 94 wins, and a trip to the NLDS, #InGibbyWeTrust!

by imstillhungry95 on Oct 3, 2011 5:25 PM EDT up reply actions  

don't think so

i’m pretty sure it was only shown that he had thrown a lot of games, and that he had been the referee at one of the Suns/Spurs playoff games

by blue bulldog on Oct 3, 2011 7:31 PM EDT up reply actions  

Oh

okay. I wasn’t sure. I don’t usually follow the NBA

After 94 wins, and a trip to the NLDS, #InGibbyWeTrust!

by imstillhungry95 on Oct 3, 2011 10:01 PM EDT up reply actions  

Joe West's crew doesn't need a payoff to suck.

It just comes naturally.

"fortunate, but also lucky"

by Ted Simmons Speed Camp on Oct 3, 2011 5:57 PM EDT up reply actions   1 recs

The most inexcusable thing for me

Was the Kotsay walk. Mark Kotsay sucks. You don’t intentionally walk him to bring up Corey Hart. You get Mark Kotsay out with Paterson – pulling a rattled Ziegler is fine by me – and then you only need one out and bring in Hernandez. If you’re going to use him anyways, use him when the game is on the line.

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by Dan Strittmatter on Oct 3, 2011 5:51 PM EDT reply actions  

Gibby has two dials on his notepad which he spins

one of them is split in half, and says “should i keep the reliever in, or should i take the reliever out”

the other dial has all of our relievers’ names on it, which he spins if the first dial lands on “take reliever out”

by blue bulldog on Oct 3, 2011 7:33 PM EDT up reply actions  

Hey,

he just wants to give everyone some PT…

Goldschmidt happens.

by DbacksSkins on Oct 4, 2011 12:41 PM EDT up reply actions  

It’s tough to blame it all on coaching but they truly made awful decisions for game 1. I stopped watching game 2 in the middle so I won’t judge

by EvilG on Oct 3, 2011 11:53 PM EDT reply actions  

Hudson seemed to think he could go on – though, as we saw yesterday, a pitcher’s opinion is not necessarily accurate in these things. He said, “I felt like I had enough left to at least get a couple more outs. But it wasn’t my call, obviously, so I don’t know.” Certainly, if you look at Hudson’s pitch velocity, as shown in the Brooks Baseball pitch f/X graph below, there’s little or no evidence that he was running out of gas.

Is losing about a full MPH on the 4-seamer typical for him? Looks like he went from 95.5 to 94.3 or so…probably still valid, though. And certainly enough velocity to stay effective.

Goldschmidt happens.

by DbacksSkins on Oct 4, 2011 12:40 PM EDT reply actions  

There could be some measurement error in operation...

not every fastball is thrown as hard as possible, and its possible the techies might have called a two seamer a four seamer at some point, which would have affected the mean.

"The wise writer, I think, writes for the youth of his own generation, the critic of the next and the schoolmasters of ever afterward." F. Scott Fitzgerald.

by NASCARbernet on Oct 4, 2011 2:37 PM EDT up reply actions  

i think you misunderstood 'Skins

he’s looking at the individual pitch velocities. would not be affected at all by how the pitch was categorized.

as for measurement error, the measurement error between pitches is very very very very tiny. the measurement error as a whole may be relatively larger (so maybe every pitch is overvalued by 1 mph).

what ’Skins is saying is that at the beginning of the game, he threw pitches that consistently touched 95.5 mph. as the game went on, his velocity peaks started dipping, and the last peak, pitch 92, was thrown at slightly above 94 mph. so a little over 1 mph drop over the course of a game.

at the end of the day though, that’s not really significant (you would expect pitchers to get tired and throw a little slower later in the game). and besides, it’s still plenty of velocity to be effective.

by blue bulldog on Oct 4, 2011 4:42 PM EDT up reply actions  

I think NASCAR is saying

That no pitcher throws every pitch at the same level of effort, and velocities can fluctuate by an MPH or two as the pitcher adds and subtracts.

However, the trend seems to indicate that the earlier pitches were, in general, faster. I don’t think that’s any sort of issue, though, frankly. Still would have left him in.

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by Dan Strittmatter on Oct 4, 2011 5:26 PM EDT up reply actions  

On the stadium scorebooard

Hudson was consistently at 94 95, and I did not notice any drop off in velocity in the inning he was pulled.

If he can develop a 3rd pitch that is at least average, he is going to be nasty. He must have thrown 95% fastballs that game.

by backtocali on Oct 4, 2011 4:59 PM EDT up reply actions  

He already has.

His slider went from below-average to a useful average big-league pitch. Not a serious swing-and-miss offering, but it’s an average offering. FB/CH plus. Big thing he needs to sort out IMIO is mound presence – he can let small jams snowball into larger ones. That and using his change-up more effectively to generate strikeouts rather than relying on his slider to get ground balls.

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by Dan Strittmatter on Oct 4, 2011 5:28 PM EDT up reply actions  

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