The Diamondbacks' Turnaround: What Does It Mean For 2012?
The Diamondbacks' success this season was as unexpected as it was pleasant: a team that had lost 90 games in consecutive seasons, went from last to first, cruising to victory in the NL West. But perhaps we should have expected this, for Arizona are the undisputed National League kings of turnaround. Under the current 16-team set-up, we are the only franchise to have improved by more than 23 games - and have now done that three times in a dozen years. This year's model was the biggest increase in the Senior Circuit since the 1999 Diamondbacks went worst to first, going from 65 victories to the century mark (mostly by spending like they meant it).
But does this indicate anything for next year? Let's look at what happened to other teams which took a Great Leap Forward, and also see if there are additional indicators that might predict what happens.
In the Diamondbacks era, only one other outfit in the majors has improved their W-L records by a bigger amount than the 29 games managed by Arizona this year. Those were our expansion siblings, the Rays, who upped their wins from 66 to 97 in 2008. Here's the list of all teams to post an increase of twenty wins or more, season-on-season, going back to that 1999 campaign.
- 35 games
1999 Diamondbacks (65 > 100) - 31 games
2008 Rays (66 > 97) - 29 games
2004 Tigers (43 > 72)
2011 Diamondbacks (65 > 94) - 26 games
2005 Diamondbacks (51 > 77) - 25 games
2001 Mariners (91 > 116) - 24 games
2002 Angels (75 > 99)
2006 Tigers (71 > 95)
2009 Mariners (61 > 85) - 23 games
2004 Padres (64 > 87) - 21 games
2001 Astros (72 > 93)
2001 Phillies (65 > 86)
2003 Cubs (67 > 88)
2003 Royals (62 > 83) - 20 games
2000 Cardinals (75 > 95)
2000 White Sox (75 > 95)
It's startling to note Arizona owns three of the five top improvements in the major-leagues. and appears to produce one of these on a strict six-year cycle. I'd be eagerly anticipating 2017 on this basis. Or maybe, we just need to really suck... However, what does it mean for the team's future chances? In his Baseball Abstract, Bill James came up with six indicators which could be used to indicate whether a team's record was likely to improve or not the following year. Let's take a look at these, and what they suggest about the 2012 Diamondbacks.
Pythagorean Record. Pythagorean record uses the number of runs scored and allowed by a team to give an expected record. Teams will diverge from this if, for example, they win their close games and lose blow-outs, but history has shown that performance in close games is rarely sustainable. The poster child for this would be the 2007 Diamondbacks, who posted 90 wins despite being outscored by the opposition, mostly because they were 32-20 in one-run games that year. The next season, Arizona regressed to 22-23 in that category, and that represented a good chunk of the eight-game drop in their record.
The bad news is, Arizona outperformed their expected record this year, by six games, which exactly matches the amount by which their record in one-run contests surpassed chance (they had 44 of those and won 28, rather than the 22 one might expect). If that returns to the normal .500 in 2012, it would take our record with it. The good news is, the Giants outperformed by the same six-game margin: they were outscored this year, and so were "lucky" to win as many as they did. All told, if you used Pythagorean expected records, we'd still have won the West, but with 88 wins, by four over the Dodgers, with the Giants a further four games back. 2012 prognosis: down.
The "Plexiglass Principle". Bill James reckoned that teams which improve one year tend to get worse the following year, or the other way round - the name comes from the way Plexiglass will spring back to its previous shape when bent. Does that apply to the franchises, such as the Diamondbacks, that made very large gains? Let's look at the 15 other teams to improve by 20+ wins in the past dozen years, and see what happened to them the season after their big uptick
| Team | W-L +/- | Next Season |
| 1999 Diamondbacks | +35 | -15 |
| 2008 Rays | +31 | -13 |
| 2004 Tigers | +29 | -1 |
| 2011 Diamondbacks | +29 | ??? |
| 2005 Diamondbacks | +26 | -1 |
| 2001 Mariners | +25 | -23 |
| 2002 Angels | +24 | -22 |
| 2006 Tigers | +24 | -7 |
| 2009 Mariners | +24 | -24 |
| 2004 Padres | +23 | -5 |
| 2001 Astros | +21 | -9 |
| 2001 Phillies | +21 | -6 |
| 2003 Cubs | +21 | +1 |
| 2003 Royals | +21 | -25 |
| 2000 Cardinals | +20 | -5 |
| 2000 White Sox | +20 | -12 |
Well, that's pretty damn depressing, isn't it? 14 of the 15 did indeed regress, with the sole exception being the 2001 Cubs, who added just a single extra win. The average drop-off was 11 games per team. Look at the pair of Mariners teams, who combined for an improvement of 49 games...and gave 47 games back over the two seasons that followed. Or the 2003 Royals, who dropped more games than they picked up. It seems that sustaining the improvement and staying on top, is perhaps even tougher than climbing up there to begin with. 2012 prognosis: down.
The "Whirlpool Principle" As James put it, "All teams are drawn forcefully toward the center. Most of the teams which had winning records in 1982 will decline in 1983; most of the teams which had losing records in 1982 will improve in 1983." We saw this in action last year, where 19 of 28 teams saw their records move in the direction predicted by James [Oakland and Detroit, who were at 81-81 in 2010, were excluded from this test]. This makes sense, particularly at the ends of the performance spectrum; it takes a lot of effort to lose or win close to a hundred games per year. This regression to the mean shouldn't require further explanation. 2012 prognosis: down.
Age. Okay: not so good thus far, with all the signs pointing to the Diamondbacks declining from the 94-win total this year. Now for the good news: Arizona are still a relatively young team, with most of the players, both on the mound and in the batter's box, on the right side of the aging curve. James found that, in general, young teams get better, while old teams decline - again, this would appear logical. Fortunately, the temple of awesomeness that is baseball-reference.com provides this information, weighted by playing time, for both pitchers and hitters. Because otherwise, I certainly wouldn't be doing the math. Here are the results for all five teams in the NL West, along with where they ranked in baseball:
| Hitters (rank) | Pitchers (rank) | |
| ARI | 28.3 (19th) | 27.4 (26th) |
| COL | 28.6 (17th) | 27.7 (22nd) |
| LAD | 29.8 (6th) | 28.6 (10th) |
| SDP | 28.0 (24th) | 28.1 (16th) |
| SFG | 30.2 (3rd) | 28.6 (9th) |
This is an area where the Diamondbacks can feel comfortable: among next year's likely starting line-up, Ryan Roberts will be the grizzled veteran at the ripe old age of 31. On the pitching front, J.J. Puitz, Brad Ziegler and Joe Saunders will likely be the only arms not getting carded when buying beer at Circle-K. If Trevor Bauer or Tyler Skaggs come through next season as hoped, taking innings thrown this year by the likes of Zach Duke and Armando Galarraga, one can only speculate where about the Diamondbacks might end up placing, in the 2012 rankings of pitcher age. 2012 prognosis: up.
AAA performance.This is a basic measure of what teams have down on the farm, though it seems that now, a lot more players seem to come from Double-A to the majors, than when James was writing in the early 1980's. For Arizona, Ryan Cook, Paul Goldschmidt and Jarrod Parker all made the jump from Mobile to the majors, bypassing Reno entirely, while Bryan Shaw spent less than three weeks in Triple-A before the big club called, and Wade Miley only about 1 1/2 months. Collin Cowgill was probably the only "true" Diamondbacks prospect to see significant time in 2011 with the Aces, on his way to the show.
Fortunately for this piece, it doesn't make too much difference, since both levels did well. The Triple-A Reno Aces won their division by seven games, with a record of 77-67, and the Double-A Mobile Baybears were even more impressive. They went 84-54 - that would be on pace for a 99-win full season - and won the Southern League title. So, if minor-league performance is any predictor of future major-league success, Arizona should be doing okay next year. 2012 prognosis: up.
Late-season performance. Finally, there's the theory that teams who play better in the second half of the year. will carry forward that improvement in to the next campaign. I can see why that would seem plausible, but looking at the most recent results, it's harder to see this as a pattern. In 2010, the Diamondbacks played their 81st game on July 3rd. Looking at the standings after that date, yes, the Phillies did have the best record in the majors, and the Rays were second in the American League, 8.5 games up on the Red Sox. But the best second-half AL Record was the Twins, who flopped this year, and the top four in the NL included the Giants, Reds and MLB-worst Astros.
That said, the four teams in each league with the best second-half records this year are exactly the four teams in each league who qualified for the post-season, including both late-surging wild-card winners from St. Louis and Tampa Bay. If you are looking for reasonably-safe bets to be decent teams in 2012, picking the eight franchises who made the playoffs the preceding year is hardly going out on a limb. The Diamondbacks did well there, finishing third in the National League with a 50-31 record in the second half, 1 1/2 games back of the Brewers and Phillies. 2012 prognosis: up.
Conclusion. With a nicely-even split, 3-3, of Bill James' six indicators of future performance, there doesn't seem to be any consensus based on them, as to where the Diamondbacks might go next season. It will likely depend on the weight of each of these factors, and how they play into proceedings. But it is perhaps worth noting that the only two previous years the team reached the 94-win mark, in 1999 and 2002, they dropped back in the standings the next season, by 15 and 14 games respectively. I suspect they already know this, but I think that the work for Kevin Towers and Kirk Gibson is far from over.
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The 2003 Royals saw a reduction of 25 games! We're doomed!!
But seriously I prefer looking at it by player to player. Which players had career years, and which ones had down years or in-between ones.
2012 D’backs
Drew- same or as good as Bloomquist
Hill- better(or better than he was in Toronto)
Goldschmidt-same( much better than Miranda)
Roberts- worse
Parra- same
Young- better
Upton-better
Montero- worse ( I’m not sure he can stay healthy two years in a row)
Kennedy-worse
Hudson-better
Collmenter-worse
Saunders-worse
5th starter-much better
Bullpen-same
"It was a good death"
Hill
you can’t compare Hill 2012 to Hill 2011 in Toronto. you need to compare Hill 2012 to KJ 2011 + Hill 2011 in AZ
Hill was a beast when he was in AZ. and KJ, while certainly bad while in AZ, was still quite a bit better than what Hill was doing in Toronto.
by blue bulldog on Oct 13, 2011 4:49 PM EDT up reply actions
I don't think he'll hit over .300
but I think he is going to be better than KJ 2011 or Hill Toronto 2011. I’m praying for Hill 2009.
"It was a good death"
About the one-run games from 2007-2008.
I know how that happens.Replace Jose Valverde with Chad Qualls.
"It was a good death"
Except
Qualls was very good in 2008 – 2.81 ERA over 77 games.
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by Jim McLennan on Oct 13, 2011 3:58 PM EDT up reply actions
It's almost as if
He suffered a bad knee injury that made him useless in 2010 and making that our dominant memory of him
…nah
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Promised Colin Cowgill fifteen sandwiches on 7/6/2011
That couldn't be it
and didn’t he do fairly decent for the Padres this year?
After 94 wins, and a trip to the NLDS, #InGibbyWeTrust!
by imstillhungry95 on Oct 13, 2011 6:55 PM EDT up reply actions
Sooo
basically, you have no idea?
After 94 wins, and a trip to the NLDS, #InGibbyWeTrust!
by imstillhungry95 on Oct 13, 2011 3:45 PM EDT reply actions
After this year
Does anyone?
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by Jim McLennan on Oct 13, 2011 3:56 PM EDT up reply actions
Well in the Mariners case,
its hard to positively regress after 116 wins. But if they had a worse off season in 2000, they could of set a unbeatable record. If they had our bad year of 65 wins they’d be setting the bar at +51 games lol
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regression to the mean
is always expected
the reason why the Plexiglass principle applies, in my opinion, is partially because FO’s end up just sitting on their laurels, and forgetting that in a competitive world you should be constantly seeking improvement.
Giants are a classic example of this. they let a WS win make them forget all of the holes in their lineups, and deluded themselves into believing career years from Huff and Torres were going to replicate themselves again.
we really can’t afford to do the same. it seems to me that Hill, Roberts, Parra, and Miggy are all due for some amount of regression to the mean. only Goldy is likely to be a full upgrade in our lineup. can the influx of arms counter the difference? i’d like to hope so, but i’d rather we just upgrade the offense just in case.
You also have to consider that no one but Kennedy had a career year.
Maybe in 2012 Upton wins the MVP and Jarrod Parker is the ROY.
What? It could happen.
"It was a good death"
That would be awesome
but I think Bauer would get it instead, however
After 94 wins, and a trip to the NLDS, #InGibbyWeTrust!
by imstillhungry95 on Oct 13, 2011 5:47 PM EDT up reply actions
ROY
that is
After 94 wins, and a trip to the NLDS, #InGibbyWeTrust!
by imstillhungry95 on Oct 13, 2011 5:47 PM EDT up reply actions
That would be pretty epic if Bauer won the MVP lol
Verlander can’t even do that.
"It was a good death"
It would be awesome
I’m just not holding my breath while waiting
After 94 wins, and a trip to the NLDS, #InGibbyWeTrust!
by imstillhungry95 on Oct 13, 2011 6:53 PM EDT up reply actions
as an aside
i’m not that convinced Parker is going to be that good next year. as in, elite 3.00-3.30 ERA good
lots of pitchers have amazing stuff. at the end of the day, command is waaaay more important. that’s partially because command is very difficult to harness. look at Drabek. look at the plethora of all these so-called amazing pitching prospects that end up as nobodies, because despite their amazing stuff, they can’t command it consistently.
this is why i actually think Skaggs has a good shot at being a truly special pitcher. yeah, the stuff is probably a tick below guys like Parker. or perhaps a better comparison would be Martin Perez (Ranger), who’s also a lefty. but at the end of the day, Skaggs seems to have no problem commanding his stuff. and i mean, the stuff is still pretty damn good in and of itself.
same thing with Bauer, though the command wobbles at the end of the year give me a slight pause. i’m just more confident these guys can turn into dominant pitchers than Parker.
by blue bulldog on Oct 13, 2011 5:56 PM EDT up reply actions
History says
That rookie starting pitchers rarely put up amazing numbers in their first full season. And the ones that do typically aren’t well-regarded prospects (see: Enright, Barry).
I think Bauer’s raw talent gives him the best shot of the three at succeeding right out of the gate, but at the end of the day, they’re all rookie pitchers, so we should rein in our expectations for all of them a bit.
What's one more comeback, anyway?
by Zavada's Moustache on Oct 13, 2011 8:13 PM EDT up reply actions
Random factoid
Brandon Webb’s 167 ERA+ was the best by a qualifying pitcher in the first year of his career since Wilcy Moore of the 1927 Yankees went 19-7 with a 2.28 ERA (173 ERA+).
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by Jim McLennan on Oct 13, 2011 9:25 PM EDT up reply actions
Sure,
But for every Brandon Webb out there, there are a number of Max Scherzers: highly-touted prospects who have some dazzling outings, but also some struggles en route to an uneven rookie year.
What's one more comeback, anyway?
by Zavada's Moustache on Oct 14, 2011 1:55 AM EDT up reply actions
What this evidence tells me
Is that the Diamondbacks may regress some next year, as guys like Roberts and IPK fall off a little and the pitchers struggle to adapt to the next level. However, there’s enough talent at the major-league level and in the minors that the team should (that’s the key word here) be fine over the next couple of years.
What's one more comeback, anyway?
by Zavada's Moustache on Oct 13, 2011 6:04 PM EDT reply actions
Don't forget ...
One reason the D-Backs did so well in 2011 may have been Gibson & The Coaches. When a team wins, there’s a natural tendency for the coaches to ease up on the players.
The impression the public has of Gibby & Crew is that they’re ferocious. Probably true. Will they stay that way? What they did seems to have required an all-out effort. Can they do it again?
And if you think slackening the reins might be a good thing, just read up on how the Red Sox were doing in September. The tale of Terry Francona and the Great Disaster of ’11 should put the fear into any coaching staff.
This
My hope is that Gibby & Co. stick with what they did this year, but I’m afraid that maybe just a little complacency creeps in. I don’t have any reason to assume that’s happening, that’s just one of my fears
After 94 wins, and a trip to the NLDS, #InGibbyWeTrust!
by imstillhungry95 on Oct 13, 2011 6:55 PM EDT up reply actions
because
it doesn’t matter how much you try, complacency always creeps in
it’s human nature
by blue bulldog on Oct 13, 2011 11:35 PM EDT up reply actions
I dunno what to think, really
I wanna see what gets done in the off season first. But I’m expecting 80-85 wins. Might be pessimistic (or realistic, depending what light you’re seeing it in) but I’m a total downer anyway, so eh.
I hate to admit it, but there’s probably a reason no one saw this coming, and I just can’t expect guys like Hernandez, Parra, Roberts, IPK, Collmenter, Saunders to match this year, and Putz is an aging reliever with an injury history who I will be very cautious about asking for another dominant season from.
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by CaptainCanuck on Oct 14, 2011 1:03 AM EDT via mobile reply actions
Eh
So I guess you can say I do know what to think, but don’t you say it…
Good read anyway, and seeing the 77 win DBacks and 91 win M’s as improvements and regressions respectively is pretty hilarious.
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by CaptainCanuck on Oct 14, 2011 1:11 AM EDT via mobile up reply actions
First three indicators are the same?
Pythagorean (when overachieving), “plexiglass”, and “whirlpool” are all basically pointing to the same thing – regression to the mean, no?
I look for Parra, Roberts, Kennedy, Hernandez, Montero to all regress next year (not saying they will be bad, but not quite as good).
I don’t see Upton being significantly better, although maybe a slight improvement.
No idea what to expect from Goldy, Drew, or Hill.
I think this year will be a very typical CY year, although maybe a tad below average due to the hand injury.
I agree that our young pitchers will probably not set the world on fire their first years, and will likely fair about the same as Saunders/Collmenter this year. Our 5th starter should be an improvement, though.
So, if 2 of 3 of Drew, Goldy, and Hill play well, I think we can win high 80s next year. If not, I think we are a .500 ball club. 2013 still looks like the promised land to me (starting pitching).
Gibbyball is not dependent on individuals
but rather aggregate team performance. As such, the individual statistics aren’t as important for the D’Backs to win as executing fundamentals and making good, solid plays.
Is it mid-February yet?
by NASCARbernet on Oct 14, 2011 9:55 PM EDT up reply actions
Jerry DiPoto
Didn’t know where to start a comment thread about this, but I guess this is as good a place as any.
Looks like DiPoto has permission to interview with the Orioles to be their next GM. I guess you take your jobs where you can get them, but being an Orioles GM can’t be that appealing, all things considered, can it?
It’s somewhat selfish to say this, but I hope the Orioles don’t give him the job. Would love to have DiPoto stay here and continue to help us build towards the future, especially since I still don’t trust KT to be a long-term solution for us as a GM.
Everyone's favorite Gambo...
http://arizonasports.com/category/video-articles/20111013/Gambo-Going-Off-~-D~Backs-Post-Season/
Wow, apparently they’re very high on Corbin…
Gambo on Aaron Hill
“Shortstop is his natural position”
what…..the……%$&#?
don’t people realize that guys who are natural at shortstop don’t get moved off shortstop?
by blue bulldog on Oct 14, 2011 7:38 PM EDT up reply actions
I think he meant Hill came up a SS
And he’d only play spot duty there if Drew can’t play every day to start the season.
Let's put J-Up there
After all, shortstop was his “natural position” too….
Natural position != credible candidate now…
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by Jim McLennan on Oct 15, 2011 4:18 PM EDT up reply actions

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