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Diamondbacks 0, Giants 2: Heilman Labors, Dazed

Record: 56-82. Pace: 66-96.
Change on last season: -5.
Hinch/Gibson W%: .392/.424

Ian Kennedy was magnificent, allowing only two singles and a couple of walks over eight shutout innings. Unfortunately, he was also the only Arizona batter to get an extra-base hit, and the teams traded zeroes through ten frames. With two outs in the eleventh, Aaron Heilman allowed three consecutive hits, including a two-RBI triple, and that proved the margin of victory for San Francisco, letting them close to within half a game of San Diego, who play a little later. It was the third consecutive defeat for the home team, so Tankapalooza will be returning, effective tomorrow.

This afternoon was the thirteenth time a Diamondbacks starter has allowed zero runs in a game this season. The team's record in such games? A feeble 7-6. Details after the jump.

Star-divide

Let's start with the "good", which would be the way Kennedy and Juan Gutierrez posted ten straight zeroes against the Giants offense. Thanks to a pick-off and a double-play off the bat of the Buffet Slayer, Kennedy faced two batters over the minimum, and threw first-pitch strikes to 21 of the 26 batters he faced. One Giant runner got past first base while Kennedy was operating. All thoughts he might be "wearing down" have been dispelled by the last three outings for IPK. They have seen him throw a total of 22 innings, and allow three earned runs on ten hits and six walks, while striking out 23 batters.

Unfortunately, there was very little cooking offensively for us. We got a man in scoring position in the first and sixth, but it was with two men already out, and Adam LaRoche ended the inning in both cases. Kelly Johnson had two hits and a walk, and Chris Young a hit and a walk. Otherwise, the concept of putting six left-handers in the line-up against a left-handed starter, worked about as well as you would expect. While some of that was injury-related, with Justin Upton and Mark Reynolds not being available and only as a PH respectively [as we'll see, the latter was questionable, at best], now the rosters have expanded, there's less excuse for it.

Arizona might have been screwed by the umpire in the seventh. Miguel Montero was leading off, and got hit on a 2-2 pitch. The umpire ruled he hadn't made any attempt to get out of the way - but the pitch was clearly out of the zone, and the rules state it should have been a ball. The next pitch would have been ball four, but Montero ended up striking out and instead of a leadoff walk, we went down tamely. It was something Mark Grace picked up on immediately, but it appears no-one in the Diamondbacks dugout was paying attention.

The eighth inning was, however, perhaps our best chance. Kennedy was left to hit for himself, which made sense, given he was only at 91 pitches. Our starter promptly crushed his first career extra-base hit, over the head of the Giants' center-fielder, and took third on a deep fly-ball off the bat of Stephen Drew. That got Bumgarner out of the game, and Ryan Church worked a walk, to put men on the corners with one out. But we couldn't deliver, Kelly Johnson whiffing - one of fourteen Arizona strikeouts on the day - and Chris Young grounded out. The D-backs were 0-for-7 with runners in scoring position.

The Giants had their own chance in the ninth, Gutierrez getting out of a first and third, one out jam. He got Huff to foul out, about three miles high, to LaRoche, and was then bailed out by a brilliant dive from Gerardo Parra in right, on a Texas leaguer that would otherwise have scored the go-ahead run. There were two more runners on base for San Francisco when we went into extra innings; Gutierrez got the first two batters without real trouble, but then hit the next, and was almost decapitated by a line-drive back up the box. He worked out of that jam too, getting a pinch-hitter to strike out, and keep us in the game.

In our half of the tenth, Parra walked to lead off the inning, and I'm not sure about Cap'n Kirk's game management the rest of the way. Mark Reynolds was initially in the on-deck circle, but was pulled back and replaced by Barry Enright, who couldn't get the sacrifice down and struck out bunting foul. Drew went down swinging, and Reynolds was then sent up to pinch-hit for Augie Ojeda. But his thumb was clearly still bothering him, especially when the Giants busted him with pitches inside, and Special K went over the top of a pitch as well.

That was our last chance: while we got a lead-off walk in the 11th, bringing the tying run to the plate, the next three hitters made outs. And that was the end of the game, because Heilman couldn't get the third out of the inning. The first couple of hits he allowed were perhaps somewhat fortunate bloops, but the third was definitely not, a pitch crushed to the wall in right center, bringing home both runners. Aaron has now been tagged with the loss for the Diamondbacks in four of his last ten appearances, allowing sixteen hits in ten innings, delivering a 9.90 ERA in that time, with opposing hitters batting .372.

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[Click to enlarge, at fangraphs.com]
Master of his domain: Ian Kennedy, +58.1%
Honorable mention: Juan Gutierrez, +30.0%
God-emperor of suck: Aaron Heilman, -39.5%
Dishonorable mentions: LaRoche, -26.0%;
Montero, -19.8%; Drew, -15.6%; Young, -15.5%

Looks like most people were off barbecuing or something today - almost 500 comments, but only 17 people. DbacksSkins cracked three figures, with Rockkstarr12 pipping NASCARbernet for second. Also present: Jim McLennan, frubio, hotclaws, Dallas D'Back Fan, blank_38, Clefo, unnamedDBacksfan, xmet, justin1985, SongBird, emilylovesthedbacks, BattleMoses, Wailord and brian custer. Comment of the Thread goes to hotclaws, delivering a groanworthy pun:

If the boy on first steals second...

will he be taking off in A. Huff?

Back to normal service tomorrow, with an evening game against these self-same Giants, who may (or may not) be tied for first-place by that point.

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Please DFA Heilman

I hate him and he is useless.

"A couple of years agoi was hitting 170 in 60 at bats and everybody was ready to kill me Guess what happened? Laser Show!

by BattleMoses on Sep 6, 2010 8:00 PM EDT reply actions  

Yeah

but on the other hand your asshole dog ate my baseball gift to you.

And when something falls out of place, I take my time, I put it back.

by soco on Sep 6, 2010 8:18 PM EDT up reply actions  

No, it's just got some teeth marks.

I put it on a shelf, and he started whimpering, so I gave it back to him. No harm done though.

Mr. Science Boy

by DbacksSkins on Sep 6, 2010 8:28 PM EDT up reply actions  

OTOH,

I can tell you, without a doubt, that I’ve never seen Frodo get that excited about anything.

So…. Frodo loves your baseball gift to me?

Mr. Science Boy

by DbacksSkins on Sep 6, 2010 8:36 PM EDT up reply actions  

At least

someone did.

ah bloo bloo bloo

And when something falls out of place, I take my time, I put it back.

by soco on Sep 6, 2010 9:09 PM EDT up reply actions  

I mostly liked

the part where you signed it “SOCO”.

Mr. Science Boy

by DbacksSkins on Sep 6, 2010 9:11 PM EDT up reply actions  

he's been pretty mediocre

for the past three years…

gutierrez is also not that good despite his recently good ERA

by blue bulldog on Sep 6, 2010 8:06 PM EDT up reply actions  

battle

you are way over the top with the dfa crap. teams contending for the playofs would take aaron in a heart beat. get a grip..

by brian custer on Sep 6, 2010 9:15 PM EDT up reply actions  

Oh please he has been terrible and his attiude towards the fans is awful so get off my ass

"A couple of years agoi was hitting 170 in 60 at bats and everybody was ready to kill me Guess what happened? Laser Show!

by BattleMoses on Sep 6, 2010 10:12 PM EDT up reply actions  

He was not out of in that remark.

So playoff caliber teams want him? Awesome. Please. Take. Him. Now.

by justin1985 on Sep 6, 2010 10:56 PM EDT up reply actions  

+1

"A couple of years agoi was hitting 170 in 60 at bats and everybody was ready to kill me Guess what happened? Laser Show!

by BattleMoses on Sep 6, 2010 11:10 PM EDT up reply actions  

Incidentally,

that should be, “He was not out of line with that remark.”

Per Mare, Per Terras

by justin1985 on Sep 6, 2010 11:37 PM EDT up reply actions  

Aaron's attitude to me wasn't bad at all

But then again I am female…and know how to bat my eyes LOL

"In the book of life, the answers aren't in the back." ~Charles M Schulz

by Rockkstarr12 on Sep 7, 2010 9:08 PM EDT up reply actions  

The DFA thing

Is a bit of a joke that gets thrown out there a lot.

Heilman’s a solid, average to above-average ’pen arm, and yeah, a lot of teams would rather have that than the obscure names at the ends of their ’pens.

http://www.comedycentral.com/videos/index.jhtml?videoId=343580&title=spoiler-alert-human-centipede - Warning: NSFW... sorta

by Dan Strittmatter on Sep 7, 2010 8:31 AM EDT up reply actions  

This is why

We should have dealt him at the deadline, when he was valuable.

Oh well.

http://www.comedycentral.com/videos/index.jhtml?videoId=343580&title=spoiler-alert-human-centipede - Warning: NSFW... sorta

by Dan Strittmatter on Sep 7, 2010 8:28 AM EDT up reply actions  

Don't use Heilman as a CLOSER

He is a set-up man, not the closer!

"In the book of life, the answers aren't in the back." ~Charles M Schulz

by Rockkstarr12 on Sep 6, 2010 8:01 PM EDT reply actions  

aaron has performed well in both roles

our highly compensated former closer whose last name startswith a q is parking cars at the long john silver’s in mishawaka now..

by brian custer on Sep 6, 2010 9:18 PM EDT up reply actions  

Since July 30,

when Heilman became essentially the main closing option: 6.19 ERA.
Before that: 3.45.

by Azreous on Sep 6, 2010 9:42 PM EDT up reply actions  

right

we should’ve put mariano in as closer…

by brian custer on Sep 6, 2010 11:54 PM EDT up reply actions  

I'm not saying Heilman was a bad choice.

I’m saying he has not “performed well in both roles.”

by Azreous on Sep 7, 2010 9:42 AM EDT up reply actions  

Oh I know, Brian

But I think Aaron does much better as a set up guy

"In the book of life, the answers aren't in the back." ~Charles M Schulz

by Rockkstarr12 on Sep 7, 2010 9:09 PM EDT up reply actions  

Ouch

That is what I have to say about that stat of 13 games the starter has given up no runs, but the team’s record being 7-6.

Ian Kennedy should call up Randy Johnson to commiserate.

by SongBird on Sep 6, 2010 8:08 PM EDT reply actions  

IPK

I just love how IPK messes with batters’ minds. When he has all four pitches working and throws first pitch strikes, he gets them all befuddled.

by diamondintherough on Sep 6, 2010 8:18 PM EDT reply actions  

especially with egdar renteria

he threw him a nasty change-up 3-2 and made him look silly.

Haiku are simple,
But they often don't make sense,
Refrigerator.

by blank_38 on Sep 6, 2010 8:21 PM EDT up reply actions  

It doesn't take much

To make Edgar Renteria look silly….

http://www.comedycentral.com/videos/index.jhtml?videoId=343580&title=spoiler-alert-human-centipede - Warning: NSFW... sorta

by Dan Strittmatter on Sep 7, 2010 8:35 AM EDT up reply actions  

Somewhere

Charles Nagy sobs into his pillow

Bad doormat! No stock options!

by Clefo on Sep 7, 2010 11:13 AM EDT up reply actions   1 recs

+1

And rec’d.

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by Dan Strittmatter on Sep 7, 2010 3:34 PM EDT up reply actions  

Was hoping someone would get that

It’s kinda sad how agonizingly close the Indians got in that WS, and it turned out to be their last best chance for ten years.

Bad doormat! No stock options!

by Clefo on Sep 7, 2010 3:42 PM EDT up reply actions  

oh and to add insult to injury

posey’s bat flew into the stands and hit a kid in the head. he’s in the hospital as a precaution but geez. that sucks.

Haiku are simple,
But they often don't make sense,
Refrigerator.

by blank_38 on Sep 6, 2010 8:23 PM EDT reply actions  

I feel for the kid

I hope he’ll feel better soon!

"In the book of life, the answers aren't in the back." ~Charles M Schulz

by Rockkstarr12 on Sep 6, 2010 8:25 PM EDT up reply actions   1 recs

and the next batter

hits a foul ball that smacks a two year old girl in the head. both were taken to the hospital.

Anyone who attempts to generate random numbers by deterministic means is, of course, living in a state of sin.

by unnamedDBacksfan on Sep 6, 2010 8:26 PM EDT up reply actions  

Whoah!

I hadn’t heard about that!

"In the book of life, the answers aren't in the back." ~Charles M Schulz

by Rockkstarr12 on Sep 6, 2010 8:28 PM EDT up reply actions  

Two children have been taken to the hospital after being struck by a bat and a ball at Monday’s game between the Arizona Diamondbacks and San Francisco Giants.

A 13-year-old boy seated near Arizona’s dugout just beyond the start of the protective netting, was hit on the right side of the head in the fourth inning after San Francisco’s Buster Posey lost the bat swinging at a pitch.


In the next at-bat, the Giants’ Pablo Sandoval sent a foul ball into the upper deck, where it struck a 2-year-old girl on the forehead.

Fan Friendly Dbacks baseball

Anyone who attempts to generate random numbers by deterministic means is, of course, living in a state of sin.

by unnamedDBacksfan on Sep 6, 2010 8:30 PM EDT up reply actions  

Note to self:

Never take future kids to Dbacks games.

Mr. Science Boy

by DbacksSkins on Sep 6, 2010 8:39 PM EDT up reply actions  

Note to self

When taking kids to the games, sit in the UPPER DECKS not the main level!

"In the book of life, the answers aren't in the back." ~Charles M Schulz

by Rockkstarr12 on Sep 6, 2010 8:41 PM EDT up reply actions  

Note to self

Or behind the giant screen that bats and balls cannot go through without being hit sky high so that you can (I very very very much hope) can protect him.

http://www.comedycentral.com/videos/index.jhtml?videoId=343580&title=spoiler-alert-human-centipede - Warning: NSFW... sorta

by Dan Strittmatter on Sep 7, 2010 8:36 AM EDT up reply actions  

welcome to the Thunderdome

Anyone who attempts to generate random numbers by deterministic means is, of course, living in a state of sin.

by unnamedDBacksfan on Sep 6, 2010 8:43 PM EDT up reply actions  

does this mean

that I get baseball?

by jinnah on Sep 6, 2010 11:50 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions  

NO.

NO.

Just NO.

I get baseball, football, and basketball. You get hockey and soccer.

Mr. Science Boy

by DbacksSkins on Sep 7, 2010 12:34 AM EDT up reply actions  

But

you hate basketball.

And when something falls out of place, I take my time, I put it back.

by soco on Sep 7, 2010 12:41 AM EDT up reply actions  

SHUT UP

I give lip service to the Suns, and I actually like the Hoyas.

Mr. Science Boy

by DbacksSkins on Sep 7, 2010 2:28 AM EDT up reply actions  

completely unfair

you’re being unreasonable. i’m willing to keep the dbacks, but … i want football!

by jinnah on Sep 7, 2010 1:37 AM EDT up reply actions  

We can

negotiate this later…

#ttllykickingthecandowntheroad

Mr. Science Boy

by DbacksSkins on Sep 7, 2010 2:31 AM EDT up reply actions  

sure

we can negotiate it in person, while i’m pouting at you.

by jinnah on Sep 7, 2010 3:26 AM EDT up reply actions  

Ick

That is truly awful. Hope they are both okay. And yes, if I ever have kids, I will be sitting in the upper deck if I take them to a game.

As if I needed more reasons to dislike the Giants.

by SongBird on Sep 6, 2010 10:27 PM EDT up reply actions  

Although, having read this again, it says the girls struck in the forehead was sitting in the upper deck. Ugh. How terrible.
I am definitely blaming the Giants for that.

by SongBird on Sep 6, 2010 10:29 PM EDT up reply actions  

it has

been a rough weekend for children at the ole ball park

Anyone who attempts to generate random numbers by deterministic means is, of course, living in a state of sin.

by unnamedDBacksfan on Sep 7, 2010 12:07 AM EDT up reply actions  

On the plus side

He didn’t have to sit through the 11th inning, so he has that going for him.

"It's not the despair, Laura. I can take the despair. It's the hope I can't stand." -- Brian Stimpson

by Jim McLennan on Sep 6, 2010 8:27 PM EDT up reply actions   1 recs

he was on the local news

he’s a giants fan….. or at least a posey fan. said it was like a honor.

what’s up with kids these days?

The name of the team is ARIZONA DIAMONDBACKS - "I tried to convince them that what they were doing was an aberration, an imbecility, a stupidity without name"

by marionette on Sep 7, 2010 1:03 PM EDT up reply actions  

Just another reminder on why the Giants suck! I don’t remember the Dbacks going into AT&T Park and launching their bats into the seats.

by frubio on Sep 6, 2010 8:41 PM EDT via mobile reply actions  

We just launch

our 3B instead.

Mr. Science Boy

by DbacksSkins on Sep 6, 2010 8:42 PM EDT up reply actions  

It depends who our 3B is at the time...

"In the book of life, the answers aren't in the back." ~Charles M Schulz

by Rockkstarr12 on Sep 6, 2010 8:54 PM EDT up reply actions  

Reynolds?

He’s good at launching himself into the crowd.

Mr. Science Boy

by DbacksSkins on Sep 7, 2010 2:48 AM EDT up reply actions  

+1

True

"In the book of life, the answers aren't in the back." ~Charles M Schulz

by Rockkstarr12 on Sep 7, 2010 9:10 PM EDT up reply actions  

Maybe we should use our bullpen to start the game, since our starters have been pretty darn good recently….

by frubio on Sep 6, 2010 8:43 PM EDT via mobile reply actions  

that is actually a new theory

start the middle relievers. than the staters, than the closer. lol… the 9 man rotation

by brian custer on Sep 7, 2010 12:00 AM EDT up reply actions  

Heilman with 7 losses this year.

That used to be a high number for a reliever. But hey, at least we’re fiery!

I'm feeling fiery, fiery, I tells ya! Who cares if I lose 10 in a row?

by Reynolds rapper on Sep 7, 2010 2:01 AM EDT reply actions  

Relief losses

say a lot more than starter wins. I agree though that relief wins are no indicator of anything. A guy could have 7 wins resulting from 10 BS.

I'm feeling fiery, fiery, I tells ya! Who cares if I lose 10 in a row?

by Reynolds rapper on Sep 7, 2010 11:50 AM EDT up reply actions  

Meh

While that certainly can be true, you can also earn a loss as a reliever for facing one hitter who makes some wimpy, cheap contact. I just don’t agree with any statistic that can be solely determined by BABIP/bloops singles.

http://www.comedycentral.com/videos/index.jhtml?videoId=343580&title=spoiler-alert-human-centipede - Warning: NSFW... sorta

by Dan Strittmatter on Sep 7, 2010 3:34 PM EDT up reply actions  

How the Hell

has this comment not earned any recs??? Rec’d

Mr. Science Boy

by DbacksSkins on Sep 7, 2010 7:38 PM EDT up reply actions  

Much Appreciated. : )

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by Dan Strittmatter on Sep 7, 2010 7:46 PM EDT up reply actions  

And the Baby Dbacks lost today too :(

Was @ the Visalia/San Jose game (as evidenced by my tweets). They managed to tie a few times but ultimately gave up 4 runs in the 8th (only on 2 hits – sound familiar????) and lost 9-5. Modesto won, so Visalia does not go to the post-season. :( :( :(

Things ’Skins has in common with foulpole for 400, please. -- soco

by snakecharmer on Sep 7, 2010 2:09 AM EDT reply actions  

sounds waaayyy

too familiar!

Anyone who attempts to generate random numbers by deterministic means is, of course, living in a state of sin.

by unnamedDBacksfan on Sep 7, 2010 2:16 AM EDT up reply actions  

Including, by the way,

the go-ahead run was a bases-loaded walk.

All they needed to do was win ONE game during the weekend series……….. nope, couldn’t do it. SJ swept. :(

Things ’Skins has in common with foulpole for 400, please. -- soco

by snakecharmer on Sep 7, 2010 3:20 AM EDT up reply actions  

Disappointing that Sinclair has been miserable since that No-Hitter

And equally disappointing that Munson stunk up his Hi-A debut by walking people, which he had awesomely forgotten how to do at Low-A.

http://www.comedycentral.com/videos/index.jhtml?videoId=343580&title=spoiler-alert-human-centipede - Warning: NSFW... sorta

by Dan Strittmatter on Sep 7, 2010 8:40 AM EDT up reply actions  

Yeah who was #12 and #39??

I didn’t pay much attention to names but #12 was the one who let those baserunners on and #39 let them all score… and #11, who started, didn’t exactly have a solid outing either.

Things ’Skins has in common with foulpole for 400, please. -- soco

by snakecharmer on Sep 7, 2010 11:47 AM EDT up reply actions  

The order of pitchers in that game

Was Patrick Corbin, Taylor Sinclair, then Kevin Munson. : )

http://www.comedycentral.com/videos/index.jhtml?videoId=343580&title=spoiler-alert-human-centipede - Warning: NSFW... sorta

by Dan Strittmatter on Sep 7, 2010 3:32 PM EDT up reply actions  

PARRA HAS PLAYED LIGHTS-OUT

What an underrated player Parra has been. Upton would never make plays like Parra has and I definitely feel Parra deserves right field every day. The UPTOWN hype is a joke. Upton was Burns and Hinch’s pet, time to evaluate his contribution against Para.

BTW, no one is allowed to say ‘but, he is only 23 years old’, not after watching Buster Posey play at 23.

by Fred Ricardo on Sep 7, 2010 12:36 PM EDT reply actions  

1.) Yes, Upton has already made plays like that.
2.) Uptown was not the idea of Justin. There is no clause in his contract for this. It is a marketing ploy by the FO. Maybe it has put too much pressure on Jup and he struggles at times trying to live up to the hype, but my money in on Jup being an All-Star in the long term.

Anyone who attempts to generate random numbers by deterministic means is, of course, living in a state of sin.

by unnamedDBacksfan on Sep 7, 2010 12:51 PM EDT up reply actions  

Upton never gets his uniform dirty. He makes too many errors out there that Parra would know what to do.

Upton was never an outfielder, they brought him up to soon and he never learned how to play the game. He will not run out hits and seems to be getting fat and lazy this year.

by Fred Ricardo on Sep 7, 2010 1:14 PM EDT up reply actions  

Upton the non-outfielder

Not being drafted as an outfielder would seem to be a point in Upton’s favor. He’s still relatively new to the position, and I believe the defensive metrics show him improving there.

Parra may be better defensively out there now and in the future (I don’t know), but are you really suggesting that the output of the two players is close enough going forward to even think about a permament switch? I think you’d find yourself in the minority on that idea.

However, having a good fourth outfielder (assuming Parra can be a good fourth outfielder) could only hope in motivating the guys who feel there jobs are threatened.

by Counsellmember on Sep 7, 2010 1:32 PM EDT up reply actions  

Not only do defensive metrics show him as improving there

But he’s actually one of the best right-fielders in baseball. Just watch a few games and see how many balls on the right-field line Upton tracks because he’s absurdly blazing fast. Upton is actually a better outfielder than Parra. Parra just makes flashier plays, with dives, that Upton doesn’t need to make because he gets to the spot where the ball is headed faster.

http://www.comedycentral.com/videos/index.jhtml?videoId=343580&title=spoiler-alert-human-centipede - Warning: NSFW... sorta

by Dan Strittmatter on Sep 7, 2010 3:26 PM EDT up reply actions  

ya cain't figure the "fans".

i’ve sat near people moaning/booing after upton ran down a ball only to have it hit the heal of his glove, as if adam dunn (other rf at the time) would’ve been near enough to get it off a bounce!

The name of the team is ARIZONA DIAMONDBACKS - "I tried to convince them that what they were doing was an aberration, an imbecility, a stupidity without name"

by marionette on Sep 7, 2010 3:38 PM EDT up reply actions  

It's the stone pillar defense theory

You can’t make an error if you’re not in position to field the ball.

http://www.comedycentral.com/videos/index.jhtml?videoId=343580&title=spoiler-alert-human-centipede - Warning: NSFW... sorta

by Dan Strittmatter on Sep 7, 2010 3:42 PM EDT up reply actions  

yes

but i think there’s more than that going on re: upton

The name of the team is ARIZONA DIAMONDBACKS - "I tried to convince them that what they were doing was an aberration, an imbecility, a stupidity without name"

by marionette on Sep 7, 2010 3:52 PM EDT up reply actions  

Oh of course

An Upton who can make the play 8 of 10 times is better than a Stone Pillar (Dunn) who can never get to the ball.

I think we’re agreeing here… :)

http://www.comedycentral.com/videos/index.jhtml?videoId=343580&title=spoiler-alert-human-centipede - Warning: NSFW... sorta

by Dan Strittmatter on Sep 7, 2010 6:14 PM EDT up reply actions  

Upton is a debutant

Upton will not dive for a ball or crash the fence like Parra will. Even Hinch had to put his am around Upton and tell him to run out hits, and Hinch was an idiot.

by Fred Ricardo on Sep 7, 2010 8:31 PM EDT up reply actions  

You simply have no factual basis for this claim

Because, once again, Upton does not need to dive or run into a wall to catch a ball since his range is so incredible. And, frankly, I wouldn’t want him to if he did need to, because that’s a great way for your franchise player to get hurt.

http://www.comedycentral.com/videos/index.jhtml?videoId=343580&title=spoiler-alert-human-centipede - Warning: NSFW... sorta

by Dan Strittmatter on Sep 7, 2010 9:28 PM EDT up reply actions  

It's a mystery to me

why such a relatively large number of fans dislike Upton so much.

I guess it’s possibly related to the hype that the organisation has put behind him (a smaller version of why so many were not unhappy to see Strasburg fail). One of baseball’s frequent mistakes is that it builds up young, unproven, players to such a high degree that they tend to be judged on their reputation rather than their actual accomplishments.

People are more violently opposed to fur than leather because it's safer to harass rich women than motorcycle gangs.

by Arizona via Slough on Sep 7, 2010 1:38 PM EDT up reply actions  

There is some truth in what you say

but Upton was brought up too early and was not taught the game or to be hungry for his job.

by Fred Ricardo on Sep 7, 2010 8:33 PM EDT up reply actions  

Agree with you.

That doesn’t change the fact he is a significantly better all around player than Parra.

Perhaps in time he will mature to have the baseball character that you value so highly in Parra. That would be great.

by Counsellmember on Sep 7, 2010 11:15 PM EDT up reply actions  

He doesn't get his uniform dirty

Because he gets to the spots where the ball is headed faster, and thus doesn’t really need to. Just observe how often Upton catches bloop fly balls right on the right field line. He doesn’t do it with flair or flash or pizazz, but he does it effectively, because he’s incredibly fast.

Calling Upton “fat,” however, is simply… not factually correct.

http://www.comedycentral.com/videos/index.jhtml?videoId=343580&title=spoiler-alert-human-centipede - Warning: NSFW... sorta

by Dan Strittmatter on Sep 7, 2010 3:29 PM EDT up reply actions  

"Upton never gets his uniform dirty."

So I take it you’re an Eric Byrnes fan.

"Robin, some people die of old age. Some people get crushed by a tank shaped like a giant Rubber Ducky. That's life."

by kishi on Sep 7, 2010 10:12 PM EDT up reply actions  

I'd like to thank Mrs. Parra for popping in again...

Interesting comparison – after all, they were born within three months of each other in 1987. But sure, let’s “evaluate his contribution against Parra”. Here are their career major-league numbers:
Upton: .273/.353/.473 = .826 OPS
Parra: .276/.316/.390 = .706 OPS

Similar batting averages, but Upton’s plate discipline and power blows Parra away. I have been very impressed with Parra’s defense this year, but the offensive gap is too much of a chasm to be crossed with good fielding.

"It's not the despair, Laura. I can take the despair. It's the hope I can't stand." -- Brian Stimpson

by Jim McLennan on Sep 7, 2010 1:31 PM EDT up reply actions  

you're really encroaching in on my territory

this is my niche and I’d like you to please move along

by JustAJ on Sep 7, 2010 4:59 PM EDT up reply actions  

Figurs don't lie, but liars figure

Upton: .273/.353/.473 = .826 OPS
Parra: .276/.316/.390 = .706 OPS

So Parra has a better average, but since Upton has been made an everyday player in the top of the order he has a better slugging percentage. The entire team was put up for sale and no one took Upton… Hummm.. Give Parra the same advantages and I bet he will out play Upton.

by Fred Ricardo on Sep 7, 2010 2:32 PM EDT reply actions  

I'm going to put this much lighter than many others on this board will

Because, admittedly, there can be some vultures here. But there’s a reason that Justin Upton was an All-Star in ‘09 and is our 3-hitter in 2010, while Gerardo Parra is now being relegated to a bench bat so that Brandon Allen can get some consistent AB’s. It’s because the reality is that Parra was playing consistently, and didn’t produce.

And really, being higher in the order provides very few of the advantages that you seem to think it does – it may only appear that way because the better hitters hit higher in the order, because… well, because they are better.

Parra simply cannot take a walk, and cannot hit for extra-bases. Those are two absolutely vital skills in being a big-league everyday baseball position player, and Parra really doesn’t have them. He’s a nice player to have on the team, but not as an everyday position player.

The entire team was not put up for sale. Everybody but Justin Upton and Ian Kennedy were considered to be moved.

Cheers!

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by Dan Strittmatter on Sep 7, 2010 3:24 PM EDT up reply actions  

Yes

Because on-base percentage and slugging percentage are what much more closely connected to the number of runs scored than batting average. Upton is a far more valuable player than Parra, offensively. You may not like it, but those are the facts.

"It's not the despair, Laura. I can take the despair. It's the hope I can't stand." -- Brian Stimpson

by Jim McLennan on Sep 7, 2010 3:45 PM EDT up reply actions  

.264/.336/.428 =.764 career for Church, with a .993 FP

which includes this year without regular playing time.

by xmet on Sep 7, 2010 6:47 PM EDT up reply actions  

Church is a strange case, though

As he was a totally different player before his head injury. He used to be one of the most feared hitters in baseball when he was with the Nats.

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by Dan Strittmatter on Sep 7, 2010 7:47 PM EDT up reply actions  

I think lack of playing time since then has a lot to do

with the lack of hitting, especially this year. The Dbacks blew a perfect opportunity to find out what he could do right after the trade, Parra and/or Upton were 0 for too many at that time, and Church’s defense is solid with a great arm.
But what else is new?
One of the many reasons why I don’t think Gibby should get the job next year.

by xmet on Sep 7, 2010 8:25 PM EDT up reply actions  

I can say this about Augie too

As in lack of playing time has to do with the lack of hitting

"In the book of life, the answers aren't in the back." ~Charles M Schulz

by Rockkstarr12 on Sep 7, 2010 9:26 PM EDT up reply actions  

The guy may never have been known for his bat

But 80 plate appearances is a season is sad. The guy OBP’d .340 or better for three straight years, with that glove that’s a guy worth giving some time.

Also, while looking at BR, I came across Augie’s ‘04 season, after which he was subsequently relegated again to minor league journeying. It was a mere 30 games, but he hit .339/.429/.458 with one fewer home run (2) than strikeouts (3), and ten walks. Somebody doesn’t take a flier on that guy as a big-league utilityman? Did something happen to him? Did he get hurt?

This game baffles me sometimes.

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by Dan Strittmatter on Sep 7, 2010 9:36 PM EDT up reply actions  

You sure about this one?

359 PA’s for NYM in ‘08, .785 OPS.
399 PA’s split between NYM & ATL in ‘09, .722 OPS.
183 PA’s through 69 games with PIT this year before trade, .552 OPS.

Those seem like plenty of plate appearances to me. Dude just can’t hit anymore, for whatever reason.

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by Dan Strittmatter on Sep 7, 2010 9:32 PM EDT up reply actions  

PARRA IS BETTER THAN UPTON

Exactly, if Parra was given the same chance as golden boy Upton he would be out there everyday and not Upton.

We want winners not pretenders.

by Fred Ricardo on Sep 7, 2010 8:26 PM EDT up reply actions  

What?

How do Church’s numbers have anything to do with Parra’s skill compared to Upton?

Typing in all capital letters doesn’t mean you’re automatically right.

"Robin, some people die of old age. Some people get crushed by a tank shaped like a giant Rubber Ducky. That's life."

by kishi on Sep 7, 2010 10:15 PM EDT up reply actions  

What?!

Typing in all capital letters doesn’t mean you’re automatically right.

OH CRAP!

by Counsellmember on Sep 7, 2010 11:16 PM EDT up reply actions  

i will take that bet.

Haiku are simple,
But they often don't make sense,
Refrigerator.

by blank_38 on Sep 7, 2010 8:43 PM EDT up reply actions  

Parra's better average

Equals one more hit every 300 at bats.

"Robin, some people die of old age. Some people get crushed by a tank shaped like a giant Rubber Ducky. That's life."

by kishi on Sep 7, 2010 10:14 PM EDT up reply actions  

But

what if that at bat was in Game 7 of the World Series in the bottom of the 9th with the bases loaded???

Then you’ll wish you had stuck with Parra.

by Counsellmember on Sep 7, 2010 11:18 PM EDT up reply actions  

i was there

i had a colossal post nearly ready, but suddenly sbnation and safari had a disagreement… hilarious when it’s not in text edit! i’ll try and summarize.

6th- kelly fails to run the bases with situational aggressiveness. cody ross kicks it down in right and proceeds to fumble the turn and throw. kelly already heading back to first though.

young’s subsequent single to center may not have scored johnson from second, running on contact, but it would’ve forced a play in the late stages of a pitcher’s duel. probably our best chance, other than the 8th with kennedy’s leadoff double.

::edited:: rant on base coaches

7th- didn’t realize montero was hit. saw the scoreboard 3-2, then a called ball…. huh? maybe there’s a wacky rule that the entire pitch is null and void if the batter doesn’t move? or else the scoreboard was wrong…

8th- kennedy is allowed a plate appearance, doubles, and doesn’t pitch the ninth? too tired or rhythm disrupted from running bases?

::edited:: the walk to church upset giants fans, but perhaps saved them because young might have legged out his slow-ish grounder up the middle without the easy force at second.

9th- guti clearly had torres picked at first, but laroche laissez-faired the tag???? or did the ump just blow the call?

::edited:: rant on laroche

10th- i hate the bunt, but can tolerate it in such a game situation. after enright took a borderline first strike, he was good as dead. but i would’ve rather seen augie than mark vs a 11+ k/9 guy in casilla. however limited his batting talents, he does have <1/10 k per plate appearance. with mark, i was hoping for a walk. (which is kinda like i do when augie’s up…. hmmmm.)

::edited:: rant on contact hitting, .300 hitting, conor/o-dog/carlos q vs 2010 roster

I DO NOT WANT GIANTS IN. DO NOT LIKE!

The name of the team is ARIZONA DIAMONDBACKS - "I tried to convince them that what they were doing was an aberration, an imbecility, a stupidity without name"

by marionette on Sep 7, 2010 3:28 PM EDT reply actions  

Rant on Conor, O-Dog, and Carlos Quentin?

Conor Jackson, the guy who’s on the DL again?

Orlando Hudson, who is not as good as Kelly Johnson?

Carlos Quentin, who once punched a cooler and destroyed his own team’s playoff chances, and hasn’t been the same player since?

I’d love to have Q now, but I’m not crying over him. And I wouldn’t want either of the other two guys, frankly…

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by Dan Strittmatter on Sep 7, 2010 7:48 PM EDT up reply actions  

KJ

Has yet to get a season ending injury in the middle of a pennant race for us… twice.

Bad doormat! No stock options!

by Clefo on Sep 7, 2010 7:51 PM EDT up reply actions  

But that Carlos Quentin

Fit right into his .300-hitting club. Right?

Oh well, he’s a nice player, but a temperamental and whiny player who has a huge injury history and never performed for us. We all bid him good riddance at the time, no reason to rewrite history for a cooler-shortened season of good performance.

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by Dan Strittmatter on Sep 7, 2010 8:00 PM EDT up reply actions  

Well

That comment was more a swipe at Hudson

Bad doormat! No stock options!

by Clefo on Sep 7, 2010 8:04 PM EDT up reply actions  

Oh shoot...

Wow. Erm, strike on me.

But… yeah! He should learn how to slide without injuring himself. I’m pretty sure that was sometime around fourth grade. Not sure if he missed that lesson or what happened.

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by Dan Strittmatter on Sep 7, 2010 8:11 PM EDT up reply actions  

I DO NOT WANT GIANTS IN. DO NOT LIKE!

Me too!

Gibson had the opportunity to steer the team with or without Hinch and he did not do it.

I don’t want him or Stottelmyer or the hitting coach back next year.

Find winners.

Find a pitcher who has won 20 games, not stottlemyer.

Find a hitting coach who has hit over .300. Not Hinche’s stooge.

We need a winner in town and we have not had one since Jerry Colangelo left the team.

by Fred Ricardo on Sep 7, 2010 8:38 PM EDT up reply actions  

Aaaaaand

Mr. Ricardo attempts to bring baseball back 30 years.

Mr. Science Boy

by DbacksSkins on Sep 7, 2010 8:40 PM EDT up reply actions  

ya man i'm with you

lets get some winners.

cy young as pitching coach.

ted williams as hitting coach.

and mike ditka as head coach. he’s a winner.

Haiku are simple,
But they often don't make sense,
Refrigerator.

by blank_38 on Sep 7, 2010 8:41 PM EDT up reply actions   2 recs

Throw in Will Ferrell

And you’ve got the makings for Kicking & Screaming 2.

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by Dan Strittmatter on Sep 7, 2010 9:38 PM EDT up reply actions  

Let's do it, let's get Ditka

Then we can cheer for da ’Backs.

"Robin, some people die of old age. Some people get crushed by a tank shaped like a giant Rubber Ducky. That's life."

by kishi on Sep 7, 2010 10:25 PM EDT up reply actions  

who would win in a fight

a hurricane? or coach ditka?
wait wait wait… the hurricane’s name is… ditka.

Haiku are simple,
But they often don't make sense,
Refrigerator.

by blank_38 on Sep 7, 2010 11:10 PM EDT up reply actions  

rec'd

I should have a mfin theme song.

by emilylovesthedbacks on Sep 8, 2010 3:19 PM EDT up reply actions  

Except

Ditka would trade our entire 2011 draft to move up like 6 spots in the first round.

/stupidDitkamovesFTW

Mr. Science Boy

by DbacksSkins on Sep 8, 2010 4:37 PM EDT up reply actions  

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