SB Nation Arizona Editor's Pick
The future looks bright in the desert
Up until the trading deadline, it seemed that nothing was going to change for the hapless Diamondbacks. But once the made the moves necessary, things started looking up.
The Arizona Diamondbacks finished August with a 16-13 record, first winning month of the year (little too late however) under the leadership of manager Kirk Gibson. The best part is that their young talent is playing like they belong in the big leagues.
Danial Hudson, acquired by the Chicago White Sox in a trade that sent Edwin Jackson (6-10 5.16 ERA 134.1/104 IP/K) packing. has been everything the Arizona brass wanted and more. Whenever Hudson (4-1 1,85 ERA 43.2/42 IP/K) is on the mound, Kirk and the gang are as secure as Joe Madden of the Tampa Bay Rays is when he has David Price on the mound.
Kirk also gets that same feeling the next day when his other young star Barry Enright (6-2 2.45 ERA 73.1/41 IP/K) takes the field for his start. In each of his 12 career starts, Enright has allowed 3 runs or less. Now that is the kind of consistency that the Diamondbacks have been looking for.
Like Hudson, Brandon Allen was also acquired by Arizona from the White Sox. With Adam LaRoche being the most productive first basemen in Arizona history, Brandon would need to switch positions. Since no one was producing with the bat at left field, it only made sense to trot out Allen and see what happens. All he did was serve up a web gem and hit a grand slam in his first start of 2010 when Arizona swept division leading San Diego.
This sort of phenomena has happened before last year when the San Diego Padres pulled a late season surge out of their hat, and look at them now. If the same thing happens in Arizona this year, the Diamondbacks' future will be so bright that it might end monsoon season.
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I have to say
After all those experts were talking about how we got stiffed in the Dan Haren trade, I’m actually starting to think the trade was in our favor.
Or, at least, it worked out for us.
Still, unfortunately, for the wrong
Reasons.
Wear your own fur.
by Marc Fournier on Sep 3, 2010 10:24 PM EDT up reply actions
Saunders
Has Joe Saunders, 2-4 with a 4.70 ERA really been that impressive? The minor league prospects, Corbin and Skaggs, are good but a long way from the Majors. Daniel Hudson came in the Edwin Jackson trade.
This is the guy who legitimately thinks Clemens deserved the Cy in 2004 based soley on wins.
Move along.
All Cubs fans are drunken assholes, but not all drunken assholes are Cubs fans.
-Dbacksskins
I'll take Corbin and Skaggs,
Personally. Both of them have been ridiculous since joining our system. Haren may very well be on the decline. He lost some velocity when he didn’t have much to lose in the first place.
I have a feeling that we’ll slip Saunders at the next deadline.
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by Dan Strittmatter on Sep 4, 2010 4:05 AM EDT up reply actions
Haren has only lost
1.3 MPH since entering the majors. Not a whole lot.
I’m excited about Skaggs, but Corbin is a pretty meh prospect. Wasn’t he compared to Joe Saunders? Unless his ceiling has risen since then, I’m not too thrilled about him.
Leads/ties blown by the Diamondbacks bullpen in '10: 37
Nothin wrong with a 2-2.5 WAR #4 starter
Cost-controlled for six years.
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by Dan Strittmatter on Sep 4, 2010 7:41 AM EDT up reply actions
joe saunders broke 2 WAR once in his career....
in 2008
otherwise, he’s a 1-1.5 WAR pitcher….
moreover, the stats don’t really support haren “losing his stuff”. how do you lose your stuff, yet have a career high K/9 (while with the Dbacks?). it’s not like it’s luck either, because his swinging strike percentage was at its highest in his career. it’s just bad luck on BABIP. since joining the angels, he’s already getting his “normal” stats back to normal
i’d be very surprised if haren doesn’t put up 5+ WAR next year….
I never said I thought/knew he was on the decline.
But, for a very bad losing team, it’s best to trade the star for what he’s worth when there are possible signs of him losing his effectiveness.
I’m totally okay with the trade.
And Saunders’ career isn’t a definitive ceiling for Corbin.
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by Dan Strittmatter on Sep 4, 2010 12:06 PM EDT up reply actions
As a matter of fact...
They’re kind of the opposite of each other. Saunders has incredible stuff from the left side of the mound, yet always seems to perform worse than that stuff indicates.
Corbin, on the other hand, possesses just three average pitches, but yet outperforms his own stuff.
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by Dan Strittmatter on Sep 4, 2010 12:07 PM EDT up reply actions
my personal opinion is that
if haren puts up 5+ WAR next year for the angels (which implies he would have done even more against weaker competition in the NL) and we were one 5+ WAR ace pitcher away from making the playoffs i’ll be severely disappointed in this trade
That
Makes perfect sense. I probably will be as well. But I’m not sure if we’ll be that close to the postseason.
It’s why they play the games. : )
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by Dan Strittmatter on Sep 7, 2010 10:05 AM EDT up reply actions
There are only
four pitchers worse in Fangraph’s WAR than Saunders who have pitched as many innings as him. Also, at the time of the trade, we looked more at Joe Saunders’ stats, and it turns out he’s pretty much a barely above average #5 pitcher. Boy, I really do not want Corbin to become Saunders.
Leads/ties blown by the Diamondbacks bullpen in '10: 37
Don't pull the trigger
I’m very happy with what we’ve seen out of our new guys in the last month. Thrilled. But I fear the same over confidence that hit us after the playoffs in ’07.
Yes, we’ve got a great core of young players again, but I don’t feel we’re ready for that big push to get us over the top. 2011 was supossed to be a rebuilding year, and I think it should still be viewed that way, despite the recent surge. If we find ourselves in contention a year form now, I’d want to aquire a piece to give us the push we need. But until then, I still look at this team as a work in progress, and want to see more than a month’s worth of winning ways before I have playoff asperations.
But I agree, the future does indeed look bright.
+1
On all counts.
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by Dan Strittmatter on Sep 4, 2010 4:06 AM EDT up reply actions
Oh and btw,
who is Danial Hudson?
All Cubs fans are drunken assholes, but not all drunken assholes are Cubs fans.
-Dbacksskins
"Since no one was producing with the bat at left field, it only made sense to trot out Allen and see what happens."
As most of you guys probably know, I’m like the world’s biggest fan of people writing their own editorials in FanPosts (so I’m probably more prone to taking it easy), but I’m about 101% sure that we didn’t bring up a first baseman and just “trot [him] out” in left. He was already playing in left ever so often in Reno.
My value over a replacement poster is approximately 10.5 runs.
Also
the poll question is sorta lame. Maybe “do you think that the recent success is a sign of things to come” would work, but it’s hard to say “no, I hate how we’ve been winning.”
My value over a replacement poster is approximately 10.5 runs.
He was also DRAFTED as an OF.
All Cubs fans are drunken assholes, but not all drunken assholes are Cubs fans.
-Dbacksskins
This
Really bears no relevance, particularly since Allen was taken out of high school. Players in high school are so physically different than what they become by the team they reach the majors. Do you know where Adam Dunn played in high school? Shortstop.
Re-read that, because it’s not a typo.
Adam Dunn played shortstop in high school.
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by Dan Strittmatter on Sep 4, 2010 4:10 AM EDT up reply actions
It blows my mind
that Dunn was once known for his speed.
Leads/ties blown by the Diamondbacks bullpen in '10: 37
Still need an upgrade at pitching coach...
and more importantly at hitting coach. We’re on pace to break the all time records for K’s in a season. Normally a few strikouts wouldn’t bother me but owning a record (in a sport that’s been around for 150 years) is unexceptable . I know it doesn’t bother you people (because we can’t criticize our own players here) but the whiffs need to be cut down. Period.
It doesn't bother us
Because our lineup is still relatively productive, though perhaps one-dimensional.
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by Dan Strittmatter on Sep 4, 2010 7:42 AM EDT up reply actions
We can't criticize our own players here?
I suspect you haven’t really been reading a lot of what people say.
Oh, wait, you meant “Sometimes, people don’t agree with everything I say.” Oh, well that’s true.
"Robin, some people die of old age. Some people get crushed by a tank shaped like a giant Rubber Ducky. That's life."
That's fair
I’ll say you’re too easy on players rather than never being critical. I think we (as a whole) give them passes to easily.
I think that Tony Clark and Augie Ojeda (April & I excepted on the last one)
Strongly beg to differ.
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by Dan Strittmatter on Sep 7, 2010 10:06 AM EDT up reply actions
Is unexceptable
even a word?
I should have a mfin theme song.
by emilylovesthedbacks on Sep 4, 2010 1:53 PM EDT up reply actions
Unable to be excepted.
Means you’re stuck with whatever is unexceptable. No exceptions!
by themysticalone on Sep 10, 2010 11:59 AM EDT up reply actions
Strike outs
I think everyone on this board would love to see the strike outs cut in half or to be non-existent. Even marginal improvements on strike outs would be welcomed. But dont let the strike outs blur your vision of a productive player. I think that is what most people are trying to say.
I got nothin'.
Yes, but
I agree completely that we can’t let strikeouts overshadow the positives of a player. However, we are currently one of the biggest (if not the biggest) strikeout teams in MLB history, and have plans to add more strikeout prone players. And our farm system is producing more of the same.
If we are intending on going through a rebuild for a window starting in 2012, I think that either organizational philosophy has to be altered, or we need to start making some trades for the kind of players that will balance out the K-heavy leanings of our team.
by Counsellmember on Sep 4, 2010 5:29 PM EDT up reply actions
This is generally valid
But the farm system point is kind of silly. Everybody’s farm system has high-strikeout players. A year ago, one of our “best prospects” was Ryan Wheeler, who was anointed as such because he walked more often than he struck out (and also because of a high BABIP, but we’ll move past this) at Short-Season A-ball. This year, that has completely turned on its head, and he’s a strikeout machine. A system full of prospects who refuse to strike out can become a system full of strikeout victims in a heartbeat, and vice-versa.
If you draft the type of big power bat that goes in the upper rounds and is heralded as a top prospect, you’re likely to have some contact issues unless you’re selecting with a top-3 overall pick and there’s a Bryce Harper or Dustin Ackley in the draft.
Further, looking at our system, we have a ton of high-strikeout power-bat types. Matt Davidson, Bobby Borchering, Wagner Mateo, Ty Linton, Paul Goldschmidt, Marc Krauss, and even Keon Broxton. But those guys are considered high-level prospects because they have high ceilings due to their power potential. Contact hitters have less of a ceiling: they have to perfect the art of contact hitting and on-base ability to have value. Of the multitudes of slap-happy contact-hitters/walk-takers to grace the minor leagues, how many of them have turned into Chone Figgins? Last I checked, it was just one (or two if you dare to count someone like Juan Pierre, but his ability to take a walk is somewhere between zero and negative 28.1938472 on the 20-80 scale).
If you do look closer, though, there are contact hitters/on-base specialists in our system. Collin Cowgill, A.J. Pollock (when healthy), Rossmel Perez, David Nick, Raul Navarro, Mark Hallberg, and Raywilly Gomez are probably the best seven of the bunch. Never heard of half of these guys? Precisely.
None of these guys, except perhaps Perez and in the distant future Navarro, is projected by all of the scouting bigwigs as having a major-league future in a starting role. Why? Because they have limited power, and the best they can seemingly hope for is a future as a .300 hitter. Those that do possibly have futures play premium defensive positions, because those are the only places where a player without pop in his bat can survive on an everyday basis and still be valuable.
So what’s the moral of all of this? I have no idea. Perhaps we undervalue players who are contact hitters or, at least, less strikeout-prone in the minor-leagues, like Pollock or Cowgill. Perhaps it’s believed, whether right or wrong, that it’s easier to find a player who can OBP .350 while slugging .375-.400 than it is to find a player who can SLG .500 while OBP’ing .310-.330. Or, perhaps, there’s a greater attrition rate in the minors amongst contact hitters than there is amongst power hitters, so power hitters are sought more often due to their increased likelihood of reaching the majors.
Regardless, you can’t totally fault the D-backs’ system for its lack of contact hitters. There are some there, they’re just not as highly-regarded.
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by Dan Strittmatter on Sep 7, 2010 10:27 AM EDT up reply actions
You know who else sucks?
Ryan Howard.
You know who else sucks?
Adam Dunn.
Boy, I wouldn’t want either of those guys on my team.
Tee-hee.
Except I actually wouldn’t want Howard, simply due to his contract. LULZRUBENAMARO~~~
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by Dan Strittmatter on Sep 7, 2010 10:28 AM EDT up reply actions
Those were supposed to be exclamation points
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by Dan Strittmatter on Sep 7, 2010 10:28 AM EDT up reply actions
phew!
thought you were trying to get the wave started
Anyone who attempts to generate random numbers by deterministic means is, of course, living in a state of sin.
by unnamedDBacksfan on Sep 7, 2010 10:29 AM EDT up reply actions
yes but lets not hand over the Cy Young to these guys yet
Enright and Hudson both look great, but we all know it is a small sample, and a whole season is a lot different than 10-12 starts. Right now they are both hungryto prove themselves, can they keep it up. will MLB hiters starts to catch up to their pitches, figure out their trends.
there is some promise, but I tend to have a guarded optimism.
Any task BIG or small, Do it well or not at all
It's that spark
of optimism that has got people excited as we really haven’t had much reason to feel optimistic, at all, this season.
Anyone who attempts to generate random numbers by deterministic means is, of course, living in a state of sin.
by unnamedDBacksfan on Sep 8, 2010 12:11 PM EDT up reply actions

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