What do AZ fans think of other teams? The results are in...
A few weeks back, we put up a poll to see what AZ fans think of other teams. Sorry about the delay in posting the results, but the Dan Haren trade and Mark Week combined to pre-empt these numbers - let's face it, there wasn't much actual hurry for them. But after the jump, you'll find the results, with all 30 major-league teams graded on a scale from one [unconditional love] to nine [undying hate]. Who's our second-favorite franchise? And who would we rather gouge our own eyes out than see in the World Series?
[Before we get started, a quick aside to the fans of other teams - particularly, it appears, Giants ones - who attempted to stuff the ballot-box. I'm not sure whether you're illiterate or just really, really dumb, but if you're going to vote in a poll for D-backs fans, then make it slightly hard to spot you, by not voting "9" for Arizona. Still, it took you twenty times as long to fill out the form as it took me to delete your response. Thanks for making it easy]
- Masters of their domain
- D-backs 1.21
- Rays 4.15
- Twins 4.25
- Mariners 4.37
Probably no real surprises in this list. Obviously, Arizona tops the list - there were a couple of "legitimaite" non-one votes for Arizona, e.g. jinnah and David B, which is why they weren't an impeccable 1.00. Our expansion siblings in Florida were also very well-liked with 45% scoring them at three or less. The Twins probably succeed on the basis of a good reputation as a small-market team who has succeeded - if I could be said to have followed baseball at all (and the answer there is "not very"!), they were my team before the Diamondbacks popped into existence.
Friends of the snakes - Reds 4.59
- Angels 4.63
- Royals 4.67
- Rangers 4.77
- Marlins 4.85
- Athletics 4.87
The Royals are interesting - they weren't necessarily well-liked, but were the least-hated of any other team, with only 9% of respondents giving them below-average love. However, they had the most "neutral" votes, with 61% of people not bothering to shift the stick from the middle setting of five on the scale used. We've always had a good relationship with the Angels - I remember the trading of ballots for the ASG Last Man vote when Reynolds was up for it, and the Dan Haren trade has likely enhanced things since the vote. That owner Arte Moreno tried to buy the D-backs before getting the Angels may also help. Quite surprised to see the Reds so high.
Meh... - Nationals 4.95
- Tigers 4.97
- Orioles 4.99
- Indians 4.99
- Blue Jays 5.01
- Brewers 5.03
- Pirates 5.03
- Braves 5.05
Mediocrity beckons for these teams, who were all extremely close - .05 or less away from - overall neutrality. This doesn't mean people didn't have opinions: for Atlanta, only one-third gave them a 5. But there were equal numbers of 4's and 6's for the Braves, and pro votes almost exactly balanced out the cons. The rest of the teams got between 40% (Brewers) and 56% (Orioles) of neutral votes, and similarly to the Braves, the remainder of options failed to push the final number too much in either direction.
Not fan favorites - Cardinals 5.11
- Astros 5.35
- White Sox 5.55
- Red Sox 5.59
- Phillies 5.69
- Rockies 5.77
The Red Sox were the most divisive of teams, and had the biggest standard deviation. 8% of people gave them a one, which was more than any other team outside Arizona. But 19% put them right at the other end of the spectrum, and that was sufficient to put them in the bottom-third. The Rockies were the highest-ranked of our NL West rivals, though "not hated quite as much" is probably closer to the truth. The general opinion seems to be that it's a bit like picking your favorite venereal disease - you'd just rather not.
God-emperors of suck - Mets 6.01
- Padres 6.12
- Cubs 6.55
- Giants 6.91
- Yankees 8.05
- Dodgers 8.15
And finally, the various evil empires, including three-quarters of our divisional rivals, as well as both New York teams and the Cubs. I was quite surprised the Yankees actually weremore likedless loathed than the Dodgers, but the Dodgers had only two people put them anywhere above neutral, compared to the Yankees five. [The names of the offenders will be made public unless payment is made in the appropriate manner...] However, NYY did get the most nines, from 73% of voters, compared to 63% for the Dodgers, with the Cubs (36%) being third. The Giants were disliked more than hated: only 25% gave them a nine, but they had the most 7's and 8's of any team.
So it looks like a Yankees-Dodgers World Series would be the end of the world as far as we're concerned, with a Yankees-Giants one not much better. At least the former seems unlikely to happen this year, LA sitting six games back of the wild-card and in fifth place there. For amusement, here is the complete breakdown for all five times in the NL West, plotting ratings against number of votes.
| Vote | ARI | COL | LAD | SDG | SFG |
| 1 | 66 | 2 | 0 |
0 | 1 |
| 2 | 2 | 2 | 0 | 2 | 2 |
| 3 | 7 | 7 | 1 | 5 | 1 |
| 4 | 0 | 14 | 1 | 10 | 3 |
| 5 | 0 | 10 | 6 | 12 | 9 |
| 6 | 0 | 11 | 1 | 14 | 12 |
| 7 | 0 | 10 | 7 | 9 | 14 |
| 8 | 0 | 7 | 12 | 14 | 14 |
| 9 | 0 | 12 | 47 | 9 | 19 |
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Yuck
The Rays? I can’t stand the fact that they changed their name and play in a dome. What was wrong with being a Devil Ray anyway? Ray is a guy’s name and Rays is simply the plural form. That’s just weird. Then again…
“Rays” was the owner’s first choice, but the organization considered others like Cannons, Stars, Wave and Dukes before settling on Rays…
- AP
At least it wasn’t the worst they could have done.
I’d have to go with either the Twins or Angels as my go-to-team, only because I grew up watching Angels in the Outfield and Little Big League. Those were the days.
Wear your own fur.
Oh, sure
You give the Rays crap for a name change, but you’re okay with the California/Anaheim/Los Angeles Angels of Anaheim? =)
"It's a fez. I'm wearing a fez now. Fezes are cool."
by kishi on Aug 9, 2010 11:40 AM EDT via mobile up reply actions
Man
it cracks me up when I talk to my grandpa. He’s been following the team since they started in 1961, and always asks me what their name is now. (Los Angeles, California, Anaheim, and finally this abomination of a name)
I didn’t realize until just now that they changed the name before the season ended in 1965. Strange.
I should have a mfin theme song.
by emilylovesthedbacks on Aug 9, 2010 11:59 AM EDT up reply actions
Meh
At least they’ve always been the Angels.
Wear your own fur.
by Marc Fournier on Aug 9, 2010 4:25 PM EDT up reply actions
They're
representing the golden sunshine rays for which Florida is famous.
Besides, they may play in a dome, but we play in an aircraft hanger?
Mr. Science Boy
tell that to Steve Irwin
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All Rays
Have a poisonous spine near the base of the tail.
Wear your own fur.
by Marc Fournier on Aug 9, 2010 4:46 PM EDT up reply actions
especially Ray Romano
but his is hidden by his nose not his tail
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following you out
hoping to catch you in an abandoned alleyway.
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I don't believe
You're
Probably right. I pulled the my information from wiki as well but I think it is only referring to certain ‘aquarium’ rays rather than the whole breed.
Wear your own fur.
by Marc Fournier on Aug 10, 2010 2:32 AM EDT up reply actions
Dude
Aircraft hangers are awesome. Don’t you watch Mythbusters?
Wear your own fur.
by Marc Fournier on Aug 9, 2010 4:25 PM EDT up reply actions
Why?
We’re still the only NL West team to win a WS in the last 20+ years? The Padres and Rockies are both older than we are, yet have never won? The Dodgers haven’t won since the 1980s? The Giants have never won since leaving NY?
Mr. Science Boy
I'm shocked the Royals ranked higher than the Cardinals.
However, it’s good to see my 1 skewed the results.
You also needed a secret “11” option for Cubs, Yanks, Sawks, and Dodgers.
No Gutierrez, Sherlock!
by Reynolds rapper on Aug 9, 2010 12:49 PM EDT reply actions
Or we could just
make 10 even more hated.
No Gutierrez, Sherlock!
by Reynolds rapper on Aug 9, 2010 3:54 PM EDT up reply actions
I thought
the Rays would be higher than a 4.15. They are the D’Backs expansion brother, after all…
Leads/ties blown by the Diamondbacks bullpen in '10: 33
Y’all hate my beloved Giants only slightly less than the totally evil Dodgers and Yankees? I’m saddened.
I'm working my way to grumpy old curmudgeon status with all the grace I can muster.
If it makes you feel better I had the Giants at a 5, I think?
I had the Rockies at a 3, LAD was probably an 8 and the Padres were a 9.
Nice strikeout!
*as
I felt like the Giants were our biggest rival in the early 2000s, PLUS they had Barry.
Now, neither of those things are true.
Mr. Science Boy
Barry Bond plus Timmy and Bus
really kill the Giants rating in my mind. If it wasn’t for them they’d probably be above the Rockies division-wise. I really like Matt Cain and Fatty isn’t too bad either.
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I think it has to do
with reaction against the totally in-the-tank-for-Bonds response that SF fans gave.
No Gutierrez, Sherlock!
by Reynolds rapper on Aug 9, 2010 3:55 PM EDT up reply actions
To be fair,
how would Dbacks fans react if/when Gonzo’s steroid use were ever proven?
Granted, Gonzo is a much better person than Barry, isn’t a total asshole, had a WS walkoff hit AND helped (along with RJ) build this franchise.
But, still.
Mr. Science Boy
Shrug?
I don’t hate Barry anymore. I don’t hate any steroid user anymore. I’m moving on.
No crying in the Snakepit. That's what your apartment is for.
I don't hate Barry because of the roids
I hate him because of the constant denial when it is pretty well a proven fact that he indeed took them. Pull a Giambi or Pettitte and just admit you did them and let us move on.
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And steroids or not
The guy is just an asshole.
"It's a fez. I'm wearing a fez now. Fezes are cool."
well that too
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However, I'm sure that
the Bonds affair is why they score so low.
I don’t think about it much, I’m not that angry with Barry as such, but their fans get low marks for that period. They’ve improved since his departure.
No Gutierrez, Sherlock!
by Reynolds rapper on Aug 9, 2010 5:03 PM EDT up reply actions
Gonzo meet bus, have fun under.
He wasn’t rigorously defended during the Grimsley saga. So I don’t think a very large contingent would say that it is not proven if there was documentation backing it up.
I had no problem with calling a spade a spade on McGuire even though I’m a Cardinals fan. Following “Juiced” I’d made my peace and moved on.
San Fran was in the Barry-enabling business, from roids to Big Screen TVs only Barry can see. I really think the San Fran case was almost pathological. It was like the whole self-esteem of the city was bound up in the whole rest of baseball fandom liking Barry Bonds. This made Joe Average SF fan very annoying.
No Gutierrez, Sherlock!
by Reynolds rapper on Aug 9, 2010 5:00 PM EDT up reply actions
You know
I was surprised (not) at Ken Kendrick’s comments on Gonzo’s retirement. He didn’t hint at steroid use as he had in the past.
If a woman has to choose between catching a fly ball and saving an infant's life, she will choose to save the infant's life without even considering if there are men on base. ~Dave Barry
by 4 Corners Fan on Aug 9, 2010 6:01 PM EDT up reply actions
I thought
we moved to building bridges instead of burning them?
Anyone who attempts to generate random numbers by deterministic means is, of course, living in a state of sin.
by unnamedDBacksfan on Aug 9, 2010 6:06 PM EDT up reply actions
I used to root for the Giants in the NL...
before the D-Backs existed (and they signed Bonds). I still like the orange in the uni for some unknown reason.
by Craig from Az on Aug 9, 2010 4:35 PM EDT up reply actions
surprised about all of the antipathy
for the Astros….
kinda felt that the Giants ties with Phoenix (as their former AAA outpost) would do a bit better but maybe its the personalities like Timmeh and Panda and his Roidness that skew those numbers.
I used to be disgusted, now I try to be amused....
I have to say I was surprised by the Astros placement as well. Biggio used to be one of my favorite non Dbacks.
Nice strikeout!
on Biggio
I agree, he was like Eckstein with skills, sneaky smart ballplayer without all of the Tulo chutzpah. Watched the Toros for a lot of years (actually watched him (Biggio) play in Tucson with quite a few others (Davis, Caminiti, Dolan) on their way up through the system.
I used to be disgusted, now I try to be amused....
Every year on the free night
for the Tucson-Pima Public Library summer reading program.
Mr. Science Boy
KOY 550am
for the dodger left overs.
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by unnamedDBacksfan on Aug 9, 2010 6:07 PM EDT up reply actions
You not putting
the D’Backs #1 along with the Sox made me sad.
That goes for David B. too, but with the Brewers.
Leads/ties blown by the Diamondbacks bullpen in '10: 33
but #1 was unconditional love
and my heart can only taking loving one team per sport unconditionally. I think I gave the Dbacks a 2? I’m actually a little surprised that my vote counted, lol.
you have to call me al-jinnah
Then he’d know. Or the girl who’s dating his girlfriend ;)
by jinnah on Aug 9, 2010 7:28 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
Because you were talking about her
like she was someone you hang out with all the time. That’s why it didn’t hit me that you were talking about jinnah. I thought you meant some girl you know intown whom I’d met before, or the girl in your avatar, or something. The way you spoke, it didn’t sound like she was some girl you only know from Twitter or Snakepit.
Mr. Science Boy
Really?
You described the girl in your avatar just a week or so ago as the girl who wanted to bring a gun into Chase? That was your sister? I thought it was your bff.
Mr. Science Boy
Same person.
Not biologically my sister, no. I tell acquaintances that she is my sister. She is my best friend and like a sister.
I didn’t mean to make it seem like I knew her personally. Was it creepy then? lol
Nice strikeout!
Ahh.
Yeah, that explains the confusion.
Well, it was only creepy when I realized you were talking about jinnah.
Mr. Science Boy
"some girl"?
Boy don’t you know how to make a girl feel special.
by jinnah on Aug 9, 2010 10:34 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
i like you as much
as the snakepit collectively likes the dodgers.
by jinnah on Aug 9, 2010 7:29 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
You can't
be surprised. With some of the players (Papelbon) and many of the fans, Boston sports are some of the most hated in the past decade.
No crying in the Snakepit. That's what your apartment is for.
i didn't say i was surprised
i said i was sad.
by jinnah on Aug 10, 2010 2:33 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions

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