Diamondbacks 12, Dodgers 5: A Glorious New Arizona Dawn
There's a soccer chant that gets used at games, generally sarcastically, when mediocre teams suddenly start playing far above their usual level. "It's just like watching Brazil," shout the fans - and through the front three innings tonight at Chase, the feeling was much the same, as the newly-energized Diamondbacks steamrollered there way to nine runs against the Dodgers, who had won eight of the nine previous encounters this season. Good hitting, timely hitting, aggressive base-running: this was the 2010 Arizona team we wanted to see.
Edwin Jackson was not perfect. Far from it. But he was good enough, and a three-run homer by Chris Young gave us enough of a lead that even the Diamondbacks bullpen couldn't blow. Kirk Gibson thus became only the second manager in franchise history to start with a win. After the jump, we'll take a look at the other managerial debuts, and revel in the powerhouse which was the Arizona offense on this occasion.
- Buck Showalter, March 31, 1998 - The first game in franchise history saw any number of milestones, but first Diamondbacks victory was not among them. It was close until late on; the Rockies only led 3-1 after six innings, but scored five runs in the next frame to pull away to an easy victory.
- Bob Brenly, April 3, 2001 - A two-run home by Luis Gonzalez in the seventh turned the game around and made a winner of Randy Johnson. He pitched seven strong innings, with Byung-Hyun Kim pitching the eighth, and Matt Mantei nailing down the save in a 3-2 Arizona victory over Los Angeles.
- Al Pedrique, July 2, 2004 - Yep: six years to the day before Kirk was handed the reins, Al was too. However, his debut didn't go as well: The Diamondbacks did come back from five down to tie things up. But the Twins scored a run in the ninth off Brandon Villafuerte, and held on to take the game 6-5.
- Bob Melvin, April 4, 2005 - The BoMel era did not begin well. Javier Vazquez couldn't even get through two innings, we were 7-0 down by the middle of the second, and things didn't get any better from there. The Cubs murdered us 16-6, in one of the all-time worst Opening Day performances.
- AJ Hinch, May 8, 2009 - Taking over from Melvin in time for the 30th game of the season, Hinch started with a series at home against the Nationals, who arrived in Phoenix with the worst record in the NL. However, they took the series, including a 5-4 defeat of the Diamondbacks in the opener.
The New Diamondbacks didn't take long to make an impact, scoring Gibby his first run before they'd made an out: new leadoff hitter Chris Young singled, took second on a wild-pitch and then came home on a Kelly Johnson single. A Mark Reynolds single and Tony Abreu double made it 3-0 to Arizona, and though the Dodgers pulled back to within one in the top of the second, the Diamondbacks hit back with three more runs in the bottom half. Jackson scored on a wild-pitch, and this was followed by runs being driven in by Miguel Montero and Mark Reynold, getting the Dodgers' starter, Hirokui Kuroda, pulled from the game.
However, as kishi pointed out in the Gameday Thread, that was "only his second-most painful departure from a game against the Diamondbacks." Admit it, you laughed. But, what? You want more offense. Hey, you only needed to hang around until the third inning, when Young had a two-run double and Montero added a sacrifice fly, giving Arizona a 9-3 lead after three frames. Perhaps most remarkably the team had scored all nine without a home-run - if that had held, it would have been a season-high for a homerless game, but Chris Young, showing a shocking disregard 0for such things, blew that up with a three-run shot in the seventh - his fifteenth HR of the year.
Going on the evidence of this first game, it seems clear that the Diamondbacks are going to accelerate things on the basepaths. Young, Reynolds and Johnson all stole bases [Young becoming the only member of the 14/14 club in the majors], though Reynolds was also caught, and Justin Upton got caught straying too far off first-base in the opening inning, and was picked off by the catcher. Still, with 13 hits and seven walks, there wasn't much need to take chances. Young had three hits and drove in five; Johnson, Montero and Reynolds each got two hits and a walk, while Parra, Abreu and Upton each reached safely twice.
Scoring a dozen runs provided a certain zone of comfort, as Jackson showed no inclination to repeat much of his no-hitter - except, perhaps, the wildness. He walked three in five innings, and also allowed seven hits, which got him tagged with four runs - score one for the pitch-count brigade. Jackson only threw 88 pitches tonight; however, he still got the W. Sam Demel looked a bit less impressive than I've seen him, allowing a run in the sixth, which got Los Angeles within grand-slam distance of Arizona, but Esmerling Vasquez, Aaron Heilman and Blaine Boyer posted zeroes the rest of the way
Boyer was also in charge of manning the bullpen phone, Glenn Sherlock having gone up to the dugout to become the temporary bench coach, in place of Kirk Gibson. It wasn't the only quirky event of note this evening, as it was also the debut of the Racing Legends around the park. Let the record show that the inaugural race was won by Randy Johnson, though some concern was expressed in the Gameday Thread over the apparent hunchback being sported by Luis Gonzalez. The Gonzo of Notre-Dame, perhaps? Anyway: a thoroughly satisfying way to start the Gibson era. Maybe we just need to fire managers more often?

[Click to enlarge, at fangraphs.com]
Master of his domain: Mark Reynolds, +12.5%
Honorable mentions: Johnson, +11.8%; Young, +11.6%; Jackson (batting), +11.2%
God-emperor of suck: Justin Upton, -7.5%
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was it just me
or did the racing legends look incredibly lame on tv?
you expected otherwise?
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They looked about
As expected?
Actually, I thought they looked a little better than I expected them to.
So long, ol' Muppet arms.
Isn't that the whole idea?
If a woman has to choose between catching a fly ball and saving an infant's life, she will choose to save the infant's life without even considering if there are men on base. ~Dave Barry
by 4 Corners Fan on Jul 3, 2010 5:48 PM EDT up reply actions
Slippin'.
“…steamrollered there their way…”
Nippin’?
Understood. Enjoy.
"I don’t know why people feel the need to come up with reasons 'why' for everything..." - Missing Barry
"...and is the reason 'why' really something we should be striving for?" - (guess who)
by victor frankenstein on Jul 3, 2010 2:15 AM EDT reply actions
Memo to self
Nitpick every frickin’ typo, grammatical error and spelling mistake vic makes in future.
Understood. Enjoy.
"It's not the despair, Laura. I can take the despair. It's the hope I can't stand." -- Brian Stimpson
If I had caught that
I would’ve just fixed it for you. :)
Things ’Skins has in common with foulpole for 400, please. -- soco
victor,
snakecharmer and I are the official grammar police around here. You’ll need to fill in a lengthy application to join us.
If a woman has to choose between catching a fly ball and saving an infant's life, she will choose to save the infant's life without even considering if there are men on base. ~Dave Barry
by 4 Corners Fan on Jul 3, 2010 4:08 PM EDT up reply actions
So do I
But we’re more like the grammar citizen’s auxiliary grammar police.
So long, ol' Muppet arms.
Also,
both of you have filled out the lengthy application form, and also attended the extensive training. Now we need to get you some hats.
If a woman has to choose between catching a fly ball and saving an infant's life, she will choose to save the infant's life without even considering if there are men on base. ~Dave Barry
by 4 Corners Fan on Jul 3, 2010 4:17 PM EDT up reply actions
Okay. I get the drift.
Not hard to, what with the butthurt bulletins across my regular e-mail.
Believe it or not (why I bother with the former is beyond me) it wasn’t meant in acidity but as lighthearted ribbing – but I understand that when you’re down you think everything’s an attack.
And don’t even come with my past record – God there already covered that in an e – mail.
Best of luck, ’Pitters.
You need it.

"I don’t know why people feel the need to come up with reasons 'why' for everything..." - Missing Barry
"...and is the reason 'why' really something we should be striving for?" - (guess who)
by victor frankenstein on Jul 3, 2010 5:18 PM EDT up reply actions
I think you fell
into the sarchasm.
If a woman has to choose between catching a fly ball and saving an infant's life, she will choose to save the infant's life without even considering if there are men on base. ~Dave Barry
by 4 Corners Fan on Jul 3, 2010 5:19 PM EDT up reply actions
Okay
but I think I’ll get the hats first.
If a woman has to choose between catching a fly ball and saving an infant's life, she will choose to save the infant's life without even considering if there are men on base. ~Dave Barry
by 4 Corners Fan on Jul 3, 2010 5:24 PM EDT up reply actions
“The path of the righteous man is beset on all sides by the inequities of the selfish and the tyranny of evil men. Blessed is he who, in the name of charity and good will, shepherds the weak through the valley of the darkness. For he is truly his brother’s keeper and the finder of lost children. And I will strike down upon thee with great vengeance and furious anger those who attempt to poison and destroy my brothers. And you will know I am the Lord when I lay my vengeance upon you.”
"It's not the despair, Laura. I can take the despair. It's the hope I can't stand." -- Brian Stimpson
And cue
Whining post by Vic on McCovey Chronicles about how unfair we’re all being, in 3… 2… 1…
"It's not the despair, Laura. I can take the despair. It's the hope I can't stand." -- Brian Stimpson
Count me in on the grammar police
I am just as bad about that
"Be more concerned w/ character than reputation. Character is what you are, reputation is what people think you are." ~ John Wooden
by Rockkstarr12 on Jul 4, 2010 12:44 AM EDT up reply actions
YAY. A win for my birthday.
A few years ago, they swept the A’s for my birthday. That was fun. Can we sweep the Dodgers so I can gloat?
I know, baby steps….
Things ’Skins has in common with foulpole for 400, please. -- soco
We'll see about sweeping the Dodgers
Now can you stop asking for a new manager as a birthday present every few years?
So long, ol' Muppet arms.
Eh, I'm still not sold on this one yet
So I’ll have to think about it. :D
Things ’Skins has in common with foulpole for 400, please. -- soco
Maybe they can keep playing like this now that the cancer has been fired.
Lifelong Arizona Cardinals/Chicago Bears fan [I have always lived in Arizona, dad is from Chicago].
I can't stand fair-weather/bandwagon fans, stick with your team, throughout the good and the bad. And don't switch to whichever team wins the Super Bowl each year.
Oh wait,
Snyder and Webb are still there…
Leads/ties blown by the Diamondbacks bullpen in '10: 27
by Jdub220 on Jul 3, 2010 11:42 AM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
Well
If you’re looking for a good evaluation of a manager, you probably want to turn to a player who has seen his production and playing time decrease and another player who never spent a single moment in a game under said manager.
So long, ol' Muppet arms.
With the way Montero was playing
are you positive that Melvin would’ve given Snyder his job back? I know Snyder was one of “his guys,” but I don’t think anybody would’ve sat Montero. It’s not a personal thing with Hinch and Snyder, it’s that Montero outperformed him. By a lot. He’s clearly one of the best catchers in the MLB.
And Webb and Snyder are the veteran presence™ of the team. And, for some reason, they didn’t like Hinch.
Leads/ties blown by the Diamondbacks bullpen in '10: 27
and you know this as facts because
someone on DBBP told you?
Anyone who attempts to generate random numbers by deterministic means is, of course, living in a state of sin.
by unnamedDBacksfan on Jul 3, 2010 2:40 PM EDT up reply actions
This post,
it was pretty trollish. But I’ll respond anyways. No, Webb’s and Snyder’s comments told me they didn’t care for Hinch.
Leads/ties blown by the Diamondbacks bullpen in '10: 27
I find your incessant bitching and whining about these
two to be just as trolling.
If you have no facts, then you are indeed a troll
Anyone who attempts to generate random numbers by deterministic means is, of course, living in a state of sin.
by unnamedDBacksfan on Jul 3, 2010 2:52 PM EDT up reply actions
Wow, okay.
Just ignore it then. Not very difficult, right?
Leads/ties blown by the Diamondbacks bullpen in '10: 27
No,
I fear nothing you have to say and when i disagree, you’ll hear about it. It’s how this site works.
Anyone who attempts to generate random numbers by deterministic means is, of course, living in a state of sin.
by unnamedDBacksfan on Jul 3, 2010 2:57 PM EDT up reply actions
So I make a statement
about Hinch not being liked by Webb and Snyder for some unknown reason and how Montero legitimately won his job… and you respond with a trollpost about the DBBP? And it makes me a troll? Okay, now I understand. If you post at the DBBP, you’re automatically awful, considered a troll, and everything you say is nonsense from the DBBP. Got it.
Leads/ties blown by the Diamondbacks bullpen in '10: 27
{sigh}
have a super, wonderful day!
Anyone who attempts to generate random numbers by deterministic means is, of course, living in a state of sin.
by unnamedDBacksfan on Jul 3, 2010 3:03 PM EDT up reply actions
so,
have a awful day then? whatever floats your boat kid
Anyone who attempts to generate random numbers by deterministic means is, of course, living in a state of sin.
by unnamedDBacksfan on Jul 3, 2010 3:05 PM EDT up reply actions
Let's just stop this here
Personalities clash, that’s fine, but let it be.
Things ’Skins has in common with foulpole for 400, please. -- soco
I just don't get
why everyone thinks everything about DBBP is garbage. As far as forums go, it’s one of the best ones. It’s like… well, Snyder and Webb’s opinions on Hinch. Unjustified.
Leads/ties blown by the Diamondbacks bullpen in '10: 27
have you noticed
there is very little cross posting between the two forums and both were started by the same guy.
Just different strokes for different folks. I like this forum a lot and the people on it.
Anyone who attempts to generate random numbers by deterministic means is, of course, living in a state of sin.
by unnamedDBacksfan on Jul 3, 2010 3:12 PM EDT up reply actions
In part, do to
this.
http://forum.diamondbacksbullpen.org/viewtopic.php?p=341006&highlight=#341006
(hint, read warhorse and someone elses response. He is normally like that. So is levski.)
Nice strikeout!
Warhorse is really trollin' hard lately,
and he has had spots of troll before.
I’m no fan of him.
Leads/ties blown by the Diamondbacks bullpen in '10: 27
I once did the eyerolling smiley to his post.
And he bitched about it for the next month.
Nice strikeout!
He says something ridiculous
to every post I make. It’s annoying.
Leads/ties blown by the Diamondbacks bullpen in '10: 27
Why doesn't
TAP do something about Warhorse or levski? Stuff like that just isn’t tolerated here.
Mr. Science Boy
He doesn't really call names
or anything like that. He just says some snarky comment to everyone who defended Hinch and/or Byrnes. You have to say something pretty big to be banned. Or troll really hard like ’Hacks did.
Leads/ties blown by the Diamondbacks bullpen in '10: 27
And we have trolls here too
so it’s not restricted to just DBBP. :)
Things ’Skins has in common with foulpole for 400, please. -- soco
I know it is
The broadcast booth mentions DBBP, they used to take the trivia questions from DBBP. It’s just a different feel… some people don’t like it. Some of the sources are questionable, some of the people are jerks.
But don’t use “everyone” in statements like that.
Things ’Skins has in common with foulpole for 400, please. -- soco
I'm not saying Hinch sat Snyder out of favoritism
Or that Melvin would have done anything different. Montero earned his playing time, I don’t think any of us would argue that. But for a player who has spent his time under a manager watching his playing time decrease, he might not be coming at it from a balanced viewpoint. That’s all.
We barely have a veteran presence on this team. And the veteran presence are the guys who should be saying, like Ron Wolfley said yesterday, if you don’t like the manager, too bad, shut up and do your job.
They said yesterday that Hinch got calls and messages from several players as soon as they heard he was fired, letting him know they were sad to see him go. But we don’t get articles about that, instead we hear Webb and Snyder tell us that it’s good Hinch is gone.
So long, ol' Muppet arms.
links?
because the articles I read had them saying they thought Gibson would do a good job. That’s quite a leap there.
Anyone who attempts to generate random numbers by deterministic means is, of course, living in a state of sin.
by unnamedDBacksfan on Jul 3, 2010 2:48 PM EDT up reply actions
Snyder: “Then it went on this year and it became obvious that it was time for a change. The atmosphere was not good. Between the lines we played hard, but there was something missing.”
Webb: “I think we all kind of saw it coming, but we just didn’t know when it was going to happen. Maybe we even thought it would happen before now. I think it was time for a change with the way we’ve been playing for so long.”
So long, ol' Muppet arms.
not making the same connection you did
I guess it’s just how we all want to read things.
Anyone who attempts to generate random numbers by deterministic means is, of course, living in a state of sin.
by unnamedDBacksfan on Jul 3, 2010 2:53 PM EDT up reply actions
I made that connection, too,
when I first read those quotes. “Time for a change”? They both publicly said that?? They’re not even hiding their disdain for AJ.
Mr. Science Boy
I guess
I feel there’s something disingenuous about Snyder’s “Between the lines we played hard, but there was something missing.” This team’s failings can be found distinctly on the field.
So long, ol' Muppet arms.
...And there are the quotes.
I couldn’t find them.
Leads/ties blown by the Diamondbacks bullpen in '10: 27
The two aren't necessarily opposites.
They could have been sad to see Hinch go on a personal basis, and still felt that Gibby would be good.
If a woman has to choose between catching a fly ball and saving an infant's life, she will choose to save the infant's life without even considering if there are men on base. ~Dave Barry
by 4 Corners Fan on Jul 3, 2010 4:11 PM EDT up reply actions
I heard that.
But it seemed that the team wasn’t fully behind AJ. And I totally agree with the second paragraph. It’s their job to play baseball. And most of them, they did their job. I’m not saying it made this team a bad team (I actually don’t think it made much of a difference at all in how we played), it’s just that nobody was really behind AJ. He wasn’t given much of a chance.
Leads/ties blown by the Diamondbacks bullpen in '10: 27
I'm less interested
In Webb’s vetran prescence until he gets his presence back on the mound. Be quiet and go throw your bullpen session.
Clear eyes, full hearts, can't lose.
by luckycc on Jul 3, 2010 2:43 PM EDT up reply actions 4 recs
Totally rec'd.
If a woman has to choose between catching a fly ball and saving an infant's life, she will choose to save the infant's life without even considering if there are men on base. ~Dave Barry
by 4 Corners Fan on Jul 3, 2010 4:12 PM EDT up reply actions
I didn't rec it.
I giggled.
Totally right. Along with the classics (Just have to concentrate on playing our best ball.", “It was a team effort.”, etc) they should be groomed on pokermouth.
And no, that ISN’T a LMD reference.
"I don’t know why people feel the need to come up with reasons 'why' for everything..." - Missing Barry
"...and is the reason 'why' really something we should be striving for?" - (guess who)
by victor frankenstein on Jul 3, 2010 5:46 PM EDT up reply actions
Love or hate the firings...
It appears the players responded well to the new change. Great game boys!
They responded well for that game.
There was definately hustle—-and 9 runs in 3 innings. Hinch didn’t bring that out in them. Even my baseball-hating husband noticed a change the the Dbacks.
Except for the time
We scored 14 runs in a single inning. Hinch didn’t bring that out. After all, it was against the Pirates.
Clear eyes, full hearts, can't lose.
by luckycc on Jul 3, 2010 11:07 AM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
Obviously,
change brings out some energy in these guys. I bet it’ll wear off soon, unfortunately.
Leads/ties blown by the Diamondbacks bullpen in '10: 27
I think I got it
Hinch needed to grow a badass stache, everything would have been great!
Oh well
Bad doormat! No stock options!
Changes
I have avoided watching the D’backs because their statagy was to swing away and hope for the best. It was driving me nuts, especially when they had men in scoring position, no outs and they come away without even one run being scored.
I think Kirk Gibson is a perfect fit if they allow him to apply what he learned from the Dodger organization about playing small ball. This team must learn to bunt, take, steal and play hit and run. Keep the opposition guessing.
As far as pitchers and catchers go, he must be quick with the hook and if a guy can’t find the plate or gets hit hard by consecutive batters, pull him and the next pitcher and the next until someone does the job, even if he has to deplete the bull pen. Let them all know that there are arms in the farm teams and minors that are waiting for a chance. If pitchers don’t perform they will be replaced until an effective rotation is found and that includes relievers and closers.
The team is far enough out of the playoffs to make some needed changes and let the players know that if they can not perform at a big league level they will be gone.
Kirk must instill his football mentality and show off his Championship ring and videos of himself to show what grit and determination can do to win championships. Players must be moved around in the lineup until the 1 thru 6 spots are producing. The 7 thru 9 spots must be able to handle the bat to lay down a bunt or work the count for a walk.
Gibson must use his position to get rid of a couple of pitchers and replace them with lefties.
The year the Dodgers won with Gibson they were not considered a good team, never mind great. The Oakland A’s made fun of them and said they did not want to play the Dodgers, they wanted to play the “BEST” team in the National League. Then Gibson (the MVP of the World Series) smoked them!
I am looking forward to see how the team responds to Kirk and his resume’. They played well against some team from the West Coast last night, so maybe that is an omen of good things to come and I can watch baseball again because “Bazaball—has bean—verdy—verdy goot—to me”.
"Some team from the West coast"
I like that. :-)
As noted I was impressed we scored nine times without getting a home-run – we’ve been a bit too reliant on the three-run homer for my tastes [not that they’re bad – I thoroughly enjoyed Young’s example later on!]. I think Gibson will definitely be different from Hinch, though I was surprised by Kirk’s lack of emotion during the game – I though Reynold’s leaping stab would have deserved at least one fist-pump!
"It's not the despair, Laura. I can take the despair. It's the hope I can't stand." -- Brian Stimpson
by Jim McLennan on Jul 3, 2010 12:45 PM EDT up reply actions
Jim M.
Kirk is no longer a coach and cheerleader. He is now the Skipper and Chief. He should expect major league plays from a major league player. No need for a fist pump, that job is now held by someone else. The last manager didn’t know what to expect. Kirk does! I hope they give him the power to make the adjustments to create a winning atmosphere even if it means replacing dead wood that has been presumed to be untouchable.
"No need for a fist pump, that job is now held by someone else."
And yet people complained we didn’t get enough emotion from Hinch.
So long, ol' Muppet arms.
TWSS
Clear eyes, full hearts, can't lose.
by luckycc on Jul 3, 2010 2:38 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
Apparently,
Upton and/or Ian Kennedy are dead wood, with my guess being that he was referring to Upton.
Mr. Science Boy
That couldn't be it.
Upton will be in the top tier of players for the next 10 years.
And he turns 23 next month. Also, he’s signed pretty cheaply for the next 5 1/2 years.
Leads/ties blown by the Diamondbacks bullpen in '10: 27
replacing dead wood that has been presumed to be untouchable.
The only guys they’ve said are untouchable are Upton and Kennedy.
You and I agree about Upton, but not Mr. Retiree, apparently.
Mr. Science Boy
I know,
I was saying it was dumb for him to say we need to get rid of Upton. I know he was talking about Upton.
Leads/ties blown by the Diamondbacks bullpen in '10: 27
Let's play Kirk Gibson facts!
Kirk Gibson is so fiery that his wife never buys Tabasco anymore. If she wants to make something spicy, she just has Kirk blow on the food.
Clear eyes, full hearts, can't lose.
by luckycc on Jul 3, 2010 12:44 PM EDT reply actions 1 recs
ouch
If a woman has to choose between catching a fly ball and saving an infant's life, she will choose to save the infant's life without even considering if there are men on base. ~Dave Barry
by 4 Corners Fan on Jul 3, 2010 1:18 PM EDT up reply actions
Kirk Gibson is so tough they made him use a bat when he played
cause he could hit it too far with just his hand
It's not enough to just live, you gotta live for something.
by Dallas D'Back Fan on Jul 3, 2010 1:01 PM EDT up reply actions
But
you have to use a bat either way? It’s in the rules? I’m Ron Burgundy?
Quit drooling, vote for me.
Kirk Gibson is so old-school
He wrote the unwritten rules…
"It's not the despair, Laura. I can take the despair. It's the hope I can't stand." -- Brian Stimpson
never mind the tabasco
they don’t even need sriracha anymore.
I should have a mfin theme song.
by emilylovesthedbacks on Jul 3, 2010 1:23 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
Kirk Gibson is so fiery that in Iceland they call him Eyjafjallajokull.
So long, ol' Muppet arms.
by kishi on Jul 3, 2010 1:47 PM EDT up reply actions 2 recs
Ladies and gentlemen
YOUR new manager…
Kirk Gibson!!!
Kelly Johnson DOES simply walk into Mordor.
by Zavada's Moustache on Jul 3, 2010 2:33 PM EDT up reply actions 2 recs
Kirk Gibson is so old school
that he used actual stirrups instead of those sock imitations
I used to be disgusted, now I try to be amused....
This reminds me
of the Kelly Johnson worship at the start of the season. At least we all waited a month before annointing him to the HOF.
;-)
soco
I seriously doubt that the photo is actually of you, but if it is, it makes me wish I was not such an old guy. I would be all over that. Hope to see you at a sporting event in town. I am a fan of all the home teams and the D’backs have been the most disappointing. I am hoping for the best with Kirk at the helm.
Wise to seriously doubt
soco has a wide selection of hot chick avatars, which he changes on a regular basis!
Certainly, the last few seasons have been very disappointing for the D-backs, especially after a 2007, where we felt the team was on the cusp of repeat post-seasons. Now, we’d be happy to go .500 the rest of the way.
Who’d have thought a few years ago, that the Cardinals under the Bidwills would now be seen as a model of stability and good management!
"It's not the despair, Laura. I can take the despair. It's the hope I can't stand." -- Brian Stimpson
Ahahaha
this is the second time in, what, 2 months?
Things ’Skins has in common with foulpole for 400, please. -- soco
Yes
There’s this nice little thing called twitter, maybe you’ve heard of it?
Things ’Skins has in common with foulpole for 400, please. -- soco
If you guys
are using Twitter to talk about this, then it really IS completely worthless. Just as I thought.
Mr. Science Boy
I wouldn't say completely worthless
It’s how we first found out about the Hinch/Byrnes firing, and how Jenny and I coordinated on it.
So long, ol' Muppet arms.
Don't fall for his avatar.
He doesn’t wear that much lipstick.
If a woman has to choose between catching a fly ball and saving an infant's life, she will choose to save the infant's life without even considering if there are men on base. ~Dave Barry
by 4 Corners Fan on Jul 3, 2010 4:14 PM EDT up reply actions
More on Gibson
First things first. Before making big changes, Gibson must show he can manage. Each game should be approached as if it were the 7th game of the World Series. Squeeze out every run possible while positioning players to defend and hold the opposition to a minimum output. Three runs should be enough to win a game if it is managed correctly. Thats old school. Forget pitch count and go with the gut. If a pitcher loses his control or gets hit hard early, send him to the showers and keep the game within a winable range. If a pitcher is throwing effectively he stays in (he can get extra days off, if needed). Change pitchers as often as necessary to find someone ready to win the game we are in at the moment. Even if it means changing the rotation by bringing in another starter. The game being played is the most important game of the season and must be won by hook or by crook. It’s the win that counts. If a player complains he can sit on the bench and watch until he wants to play or is replaced by someone who can do the job and keep his mouth shut.
You’re assuming that each individual player on the team is performing the absolute best as can be expected of their position. Considering the restrictions of our team (financial strain etc) this is a faulty arguement. You can’t keep trading out pitchers when it’s just as likely the bullpen will cede as many, if not more, runs as the starter. Putting Gibson in doesn’t fix the bullpen. It does not help the starters find the strike zone. It may not even stop Mark Reynolds from striking out 200 times this year.
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luckycc
That is expecting each player to play at a major league level, no more, no less, no excuses. Know the coaches signs and follow instruction. These are professionals and should be able to compete with any other team at this level.
"Three runs should be enough to win a game if it is managed correctly."
I’ m taking issue with that claim. The Atlanta Braves and San Diego Padres are tied for the best record in the league at 47-33. But when scoring three runs, both teams have only a .500 record (5-5 and 10-10 respectively). The median number of runs to win in the NL this year is actually six, not three.
And, of course, the problem about sending a starting pitcher to the showers early is…well, you’ve seen our bullpen!
"It's not the despair, Laura. I can take the despair. It's the hope I can't stand." -- Brian Stimpson
Jim M.
Last Thursday and Friday (1st and 2nd of Jul) 26 MLB games were played and the losing team scored three or less runs in 23 games. That means that if a team scores three runs thay have an 88% chance of being tied or winning at the end of 9 innings. The key is defense and the ability to manufacture at least three runs over nine innings.
Wow.
Talk about a small sample size. Where do you get 88%? And why would you only use two days? That number is PATENTLY wrong.
Mr. Science Boy
I like this attitude.
If a woman has to choose between catching a fly ball and saving an infant's life, she will choose to save the infant's life without even considering if there are men on base. ~Dave Barry
by 4 Corners Fan on Jul 3, 2010 4:15 PM EDT up reply actions
I don't really
see ANY logic in most of this post.
Change pitchers as often as necessary to find someone ready to win the game we are in at the moment.
What the Heck does this MEAN??
Mr. Science Boy
Stealing bases and taking balls the other way.
Two things that win ballgames.
Bring back the Baltimore Chop!
sabermetric justification of how incredibly wrong I am coming shortly
Bring back the Baltimore Chop!
Going to the other way, I can see your point
But the Braves are ranked 14th in stolen bases and, as noted above, are tied for the best record in the league.
It’s really the generalization I disagree with. There’s really multiple ways to win games. A team needs to find the one that plays to its strengths. No point in, say, a group of slap-hitters trying to hit three-run homers, because that won’t happen. But we are a young, speedy team and should be trying to take advantage of that, so yep, put the gas pedal down.
"It's not the despair, Laura. I can take the despair. It's the hope I can't stand." -- Brian Stimpson
More important than just constant baserunning
is SMART baserunning. I think most sabermetricians say you need to be successful about 80% of the time for it to pay off positively on balance. Going the other way? Well, I’m not really sure whether any stats have anything to say to that. I think it’s more a question of finding what you’re good at doing.
Mr. Science Boy
Winning with three runs
Jim M. Last Thursday and Friday (1st and 2nd of Jul) 26 MLB games were played and the losing team scored three or less runs in 23 games. That means that if a team scores three runs thay have an 88% chance of being tied or winning at the end of 9 innings. The key is defense and the ability to manufacture at least three runs over nine innings.
You made this same comment above.
Since NL league average is 4.42 runs/game, you’re going to lose most times you only score 3 runs, because the average NL team is going to score more than 4 runs/game.
Mr. Science Boy
3 runs
In the month of June 2010 they played 402 games in MLB. The losing team scored 3 or fewer runs in 271 games. So if a team scored 3 runs in 67% of those 402 games they would be tied or winning at the end of nine innings.
Except that
you’re making a completely fallacious extrapolation based on runs scored, by definition, in games where the team in question lost.
Instead of your roundabout way of getting there by looking at the runs scored by the typical losing team in MLB, let’s take a look at our team’s season in particular: we don’t even have a winning record in ANY runs scored bracket until 6 runs scored. In fact, we haven’t won a single game all season when we scored 3 runs. We’re 0-12. We’re 2-3 when scoring 4 runs, and 3-12 when scoring 5 runs.
Just to sum up, we’re 9-47 this season when we score 5 runs or fewer. Doesn’t matter WHAT the typical losing MLB team scores. I’m talking about OUR team. Yet, you want to aim for the bare minimum?
Mr. Science Boy
Nope, that's bad math
As pointed out already. Losing is not just determined by how many runs you score. It’s also determined by how many runs the opposition scores. Obviously, the winning team in all those contests you note, where the loser scored three, must have scored four. or more. So you would actually need to have scored at least four, even to be tied.
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