1570 KAMP Tony Capo & Matt Steitz talks D'Backs
by Tony Capo on Jul 29, 2010 3:47 AM EDT
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TC: Do you think it makes sense to trade Edwin Jackson?
MS: It makes total sense for the Diamondbacks to supplement their farm system while only having to trade away a guy like Jackson who isn't worth what he makes. His stuff can be electric at times (2009 season) but, his rising salary and lack of production this season make him expendable at this point.
TC: Yeah but then there is the argument that he is just having a bad fluke year like new Diamondback Joe Saunders.
MS: Well it obviously hinges upon the prospects as well. A pitching staff of Webb, Jackson, and Saunders next year looks pretty good IF Webb can get fully recovered, Jackson harnesses his stuff and matures as a pitcher, and Saunders can continue to win, plus he's coming from the AL to the NL ad we know that never hurts. And, Saunders has been a consistent winner since he has been in the majors. Management could definitely be enticed to keep these guys together and go through a full season with them in 2011. With them being out of it this season, that's a definite possibility.
TC: So what do you think they should do in the off season?
MS: Get Mark Reynolds healthy man, just work chris young on plate discipline, find a damn closer, I like the young offense and catcher Miguel Montero.
TC: Adam La Roche is playing on 1 year deal and have been solid lately, would you re sign him?
MS: Yes but only offer him a 1 year deal with a team option 2nd year. Depends on the free agents available at 1st, cap room, and farm system.
TC: You might have to better than that for La Roche
MS: know because he can and has been good in the past, especially his second half hot streaks that could definitely raise his value in the eyes on management and force them into offering a longer deal
TC: I’d give him a moderate 3 year deal or let him go and sign Jorge Cantu.
MS: I believe Cantu is the better player especially when offering a multi year deal too because in 28 in comparison to La Roche being 33.
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I don't even
Trade Edwin, but sign LaRoche to a three year deal? Oh, but if we can’t, let’s sign Jorge Cantu. Plus, how is LaRoche “hot” lately? He’s got a line of .271/.316/.429 with two homers in July (career .292 / .348 / .538 in July)… I’m not saying that’s god-awful, but by no means “hot”. Also, we aren’t going to re-sign Webb as you suggested in another post. Unfortunately, a lot of our guys are going to be dealt and we aren’t going to go after anyone with a big name value. Just in my humble opinion. Don’t mean to come off as rude or anything.
Has anyone really been far even as decided to use even go want to do look more like mouth?
The cool Snakepit.
I agree
I mean this in the nicest way possible but you two are smoking something. There is no way we compete in 2011 so why spend money to try and do so? BA gets the start at first next year. Hopefully someone in the system can figure out to play left field AND hit. It is going to be a young pitching staff with a lot of hurting next year. That’s life. Brace yourselves.
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Agreed with Wailord and Justin,
but also, Cantu is horrible.
He isn’t a good hitter, at positions where you expect good offense… and he is an awful defender at both first and third.
And no thanks to signing LaRoche to a three year deal. I’d rather try out Allen.
Leads/ties blown by the Diamondbacks bullpen in '10: 30
I have no idea who Matt Steitz is,
but at the point that he thinks Webb is returning next year, and that Saunders being a “consistent winner” has anything to do with Saunders, I don’t really believe he has any idea what he’s talking about.
Mr. Science Boy
I hate to keep banging on about this, but...
Saunders can continue to win, plus he’s coming from the AL to the NL ad we know that never hurts. And, Saunders has been a consistent winner since he has been in the majors.
http://touchemalljoe.wordpress.com/2010/04/12/win-loss-record/
http://msn.foxsports.com/mlb/story/Get-rid-of-win-loss-stat-for-pitchers
http://sports.espn.go.com/mlb/columns/story?columnist=stark_jayson&id=2910803
Brandon Webb in 2004:35 starts, 3.59 ERA, seven wins
Brandon Webb in 2005:33 starts, 3.54 ERA, fourteen wins
Did he suddenly “learn how to win” – while somehow keeping his ERA basically unchanged? Nope. He was just playing on a team that won 26 more games.
"It's not the despair, Laura. I can take the despair. It's the hope I can't stand." -- Brian Stimpson
He certainly did learn how to win.
Dude, we got Javy Vazquez and Shawn Green in 2005. PROVEN WINNERS, BROSEPH.
PROVEN.
WINNERS.
BLARGH WINNING ATMOSPHERE
Has anyone really been far even as decided to use even go want to do look more like mouth?
The cool Snakepit.
Run Support
Just to add to Jim’s comment, Saunders is not having a “bad fluke year” in 2010. He’s been basically the same pitcher in 2009 and 2010, but the difference has been his run support.
2009: 16-9, 4.62 ERA, Angels Offense in His Starts: 6.55 Runs/Game
2010: 6-10, 4.60 ERA, Angels Offense in His Starts: 3.94 Runs/Game
But he didn't win
So this performance means nothing…
"It's not the despair, Laura. I can take the despair. It's the hope I can't stand." -- Brian Stimpson
by Jim McLennan on Jul 29, 2010 10:55 PM EDT up reply actions
watch out for the sarchasm...
I should have a mfin theme song.
by emilylovesthedbacks on Aug 1, 2010 5:18 PM EDT up reply actions
Yes, he was
Yes, Saunders pitched a good game yesterday, and I’m sure he will have his share of solid outings.
But he is what he is. He’ll give up around 4.5 runs per 9 innings. He’ll give you a quality start in about half of his starts. That means he’ll win a lot of games if the offense averages 7 runs a game, he’ll lose a lot of games if the offense only scores 3 a game, and he’ll be a .500 pitcher with an average offense.
That’s certainly useful. But he’s not a potential ace like Haren.
thats true
It the pitcher’s record isn’t good, the next thing to look at is the ERA. In 2005 I predicted that Webb would have a great year and to stay true to that prediction I drafted Webb for my fantasy team. Some pitchers do need to learn how to win but Webb already had that down.
What I’m seeing is Arizona saving their money so they can try to get it right in the off season.
So let me get this straight
It the pitcher’s record isn’t good, the next thing to look at is the ERA
You think a W/L record is a better measure of a pitcher’s ability than their ERA?
Some pitchers do need to learn how to win but Webb already had that down.
How do you figure that, when Webb lost more games than any other NL pitcher in 2004?
What I’m seeing is Arizona saving their money so they can try to get it right in the off season.
Wrong. President Derrick Hall has already said payroll will be cut: "I think it’s going to decrease," Hall said. "To what level, I’m not sure. We’re going to do what we need to do." That is what you’re seeing.
"It's not the despair, Laura. I can take the despair. It's the hope I can't stand." -- Brian Stimpson
by Jim McLennan on Jul 30, 2010 12:59 PM EDT up reply actions
When I said If the pitcher’s record isn’t good, the next thing to look at is the ERA, its because more often than not the ERA can explain the w/l record. But yeas I do value the W/L record more than the ERA.
You got me on “What I’m seeing is Arizona saving their money so they can try to get it right in the off season.” I didn’t see the Derrick Hall quote but. But my opinion hasn’t changed. I still think they will do their best to put a contender on the field in 2011.
Meh
What makes you think that W/L is a good indicator?
Has anyone really been far even as decided to use even go want to do look more like mouth?
The cool Snakepit.
Win-loss is an evaluation of a team
Not of a single player.
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I would really, really prefer
if they used the money saved to sign some of our college-bound draft picks this year, rather than wasting money on free agents in 2011.
Mr. Science Boy
There's so much wrong
with your posts, it’s crazy.
Leads/ties blown by the Diamondbacks bullpen in '10: 31
Yours.
A pitcher can’t learn how to win. Pitcher’s wins are related to how good of a team they’re on. That’s the reason why they don’t matter.
Leads/ties blown by the Diamondbacks bullpen in '10: 31
Well why don't you guys tell me
What makes a good pitcher. Go ahead put together a rotation solely based on your criteria.
because
Clemens didn’t have the 2004 Diamondbacks behind him. He had a team that was actually scoring runs!
I should have a mfin theme song.
by emilylovesthedbacks on Aug 2, 2010 7:23 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
So, because the Dbacks lost 111 games, RJ doesn't get the award.
Despite RJ having a lower era by almost half a run, RJ led the league with an era+ of 178, a WHIP of .9 and 290 strikeouts. RJ also had the edge on WAR 7.4 to 5.2.
But you are right. Clemens definitely had the better year because he played on a team that went to the NLCS instead of lost 111 games.
I am not even sure why I am dignifying that with a reply.
Nice strikeout!
ERA+, FIPx… those are two criteria I’d start with. Based on those criteria I’d get these pitchers as tops in baseball:
Liriano
Halladay
J Johnson
Wainwright
Lester
Based on yours, you’d get these:
Jiminez
Wainwright
Price
Sabathia
Pavano
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Well what do you want
The Cy Young award goes to the best pitcher and that is judge by stats. Why are you so caught up on the team rather than the player?
I'm not. That's what you're doing.
W/L records are team stats. xFIP, FIP, ERA, ERA+, tRA, all those stats are based on the pitcher.
Actually, I don’t even like ERA and ERA+ because they rely on the ability of defenders and luck… while xFIP relies on the three true outcomes (walk, strikeout, and homerun)… but that’s another debate…
By the way, the people who vote for the CY award still value wins… which makes it meaningless. The good news is, they’re starting to get away from that. It makes me happy.
Leads/ties blown by the Diamondbacks bullpen in '10: 33
I don't think he's a troll,
just misinformed. Or, if he is, he must be doing a really weird form of it… because isn’t trolling about pissing people off? He’s not really doing that.
Leads/ties blown by the Diamondbacks bullpen in '10: 33
+1
This isn’t trolling. This is just someone who isn’t used to considering modern baseball statistics.
Mr. Science Boy
Agreed on the Cy Young voters.
However, it still makes me kinda sad because it meant Lincecum won the ’08 CY over Webby, even though Webby had more wins.
I remember hearing a stat saying something like how Cy Young voters had never NOT voted for a pitcher with 20+ wins when the next highest was at least 5 wins behind, so I figured Webby had it… didn’t happen, of course, and I do believe Lincecum was more deserving, but…
And, to this day, it burns me up that RJ was robbed by Clemens, yet Webby wasn’t granted the same treatment.
Mr. Science Boy
The ONE time
where the voters choose the right guy, it goes against us. >:(
Leads/ties blown by the Diamondbacks bullpen in '10: 33
Chris Young!?
MS: Get Mark Reynolds healthy man, just work chris young on plate discipline, find a damn closer, I like the young offense and catcher Miguel Montero.
Compared to the rest of his career, CY’s plate discipline has been pretty damned good. Ignoring the 30 games he played in 2006, his contact % on pitches outside the zone, at 56.1%, is the highest of his career, as is his contact % inside the zone, at 85.9%. His BB/K ratio is 0.43, which isn’t fantastic, but is only a tic behind his career best 0.44, set last year. Team average this season is 0.40, and his 85.9% Z-Contact is also better than our team average 84.2%.
Chris Young isn’t a problem. He’s already been worth 2.9 WAR, breaking his previous season record of 2.2 set in 2008, and we’re not even to August yet. Oh, yeah — how much of an improvement is that 2.9? From 2006-2009, CY was worth a total of 3.8 WAR.
Between the Webb comment and the CY comment, I think parts of this guy’s brain are stuck in 2009.
Mr. Science Boy
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